2020 US Election: Trump to be Re-elected, Surely? Let The Games Begin!

[fifty_five]

I know, I guess all of us Europeans are watching the Americans explain the agents' actions and are thinking "wtf is going on?!"

Well, not just Europeans, eh. In any case, we Europeans are a case study and hold the master's degree in hypocrisy, given that the United States is our shadow that colonized us and, in fact, we are certainly not paragons of virtue. In any case, it's very interesting. This fact concerns only the United States, but if you add it to the rest of the Western delirium, it reveals itself as a forma mentis, net of what has not been correctly recapitulated. ihmo.

 

[Gwenllian]

The Hodge twins shared some footage showing Renee Good's partner trying to get into the car (while yelling "Drive, baby"). She couldn't as the passenger door was locked, which was fortunate according to the twins as she could have been seriously injured. It looks as if Good was not aware of her partner standing there and trying to get into the car. I can't really tell, because it all happens so quickly, but I do think that her partner aggravated the situation by egging her on and trying to hop in, especially if there was black ice on the road. I am not even talking about these armed officers. What the heck was her partner thinking?

FWIW.

 

[Cosmos]

I think there are a number of things to remember and consider:

- the tendency that seems especially prevalent in Americans of thinking of any individual as part of a collective in the sense that this can justify or explain his or her actions or his or her personal being as “good“ or “bad“ in a strict and/or black and white fashion. I think any such thinking tendencies can get dangerous for people individually and collectively not only physically but spiritually. For example almost everyone has the tendency to think in that way no matter which “camp“ you tend to favor. And I think it is dangerous if you would tend to deny such tendencies in yourself. In this particular case “on the right“ people tend to think of an ICE Agent as good while “on the left“ people tend to think of them as bad. Never underestimate the tendency in yourself to run or be influenced by such collective thinking tendencies. I guess it has become especially difficult for people in America (considering the broader context) to think and judge individuals AS individuals. If you are allowing yourself to judge any individual not as an individual but as a collective - such as “the illegals“, “the right“, “the left“, “the jew“, “the immigrant“, “the American“, “the ICE Agent“, “the left person opposing government overreach“, “the homeless person“, “the christian“ (etc.) - I think you are embarking on a dangerous road.

- the tendency to view and judge people in authoritative uniforms differently (or in a double standard way, if you will) then any ordinary person. A person in a doctor or law enforcement uniform for example. Never underestimate that this can have an effect on your ability to judge a person.

- the tendency to neglect or forget history. For example, Americans seem to have an especially hard time to remember how they have allowed themselves collectively (and not so seldomly individually!) to commit and/or support or not oppose quite staggering crimes against humanity not only abroad all over the globe but at home as well, for many years.

- the C‘s once said something like, paraphrasing, that Americans are the most programmed people in the world.

- while I tend to understand, support and sympathize with many of the concerns “of the right“ especially when it comes to “foreigners“, “immigrants“ or even “illegals“ I also understand and sympathize with the concerns of “the left“. Obviously I‘m not only talking about Americans here put people everywhere. In Germany for example my experience in the real world growing up as a half blood (while not looking like it, at all) has taught me some quite valuable things including that not seldomly I have found quite a lot more decency/humanity in foreigners of any description than in “pure germans“. No matter their religious believes, either. So, early on I never really could support or understand that it should be bad to have people of various colors, nationalities, creeds or religious believes living together. Or that this by necessity could/would make Germany worse. In fact, sometimes I have thought that many germans just deserve to be shown by foreigners how basic humanity works and sort of lost their right to complain. What I have seen over the years is: I frequently have found decent and good people that have foreign backgrounds. In contrast to that, finding that with germans seems to get increasingly rare. Not seldomly I have seen the exact opposite from germans. So I guess something quite similar and in some respects perhaps more extreme is going on in America. So, as you can imagine, I would even go as far as not being swayed by the collective ideas of “illegals“ in America being bad as a collective. In fact, judged on an individual basis, I would bet that there are probably quite many illegals in America that are just decent people that I would perhaps even favor as neighbors quite a lot more than a “typical brainwashed American“. Yes, views like that are hard to square and reconcile with thinking politically (in the way it is structured today) and/or from a broader societal perspective which I do as well. For example, for me it is really hard to say or suggest currently what the right course of action could be on a political level in regards to the situation, not only in America. For example, I think it is a good idea for now, to at least make entry into America for foreigners a legal procedure again opposed to uncontrolled immigrations in large numbers and also that it is a good idea to have a strict border. And what about the illegals or foreigners that are already there? Perhaps there could be other solutions than black and white deportations? I think this could probably handled quite more beneficial and way less agitating for American society including foreigners? For example, I think if people could really give foreigners a chance (including illegals) AND create the right societal conditions for it, American society could improve together with the input of foreign views. Americans can learn a thing or two from foreigners and they can learn a thing or two from Americans. IMO in a better world this could be a win for all. At the same time I think if you give such foreigners such chances they of course also need to abide by the rules of the country they are living in now. If for example, after a period of time, people of foreign backgrounds haven’t shown that they can be decent parts of society then you can think about “deporting“ them.

- I always tried and try to judge people individually as human beings and I‘m opposed to any push or idea that I should neglect that or be influenced more by any collective stamp/monicker. Yes, there is such a thing as stereotypes, but it is very foolish IMO to judge any individual human being solely on that possibility “that he might belong to this or that collective stereotype“.

 

[Carl]

What a weird incident. Everything about it is just a bit strange, from it happening in "new Somaliland" just a week after the big daycare revelations, to the ambiguous positioning of the ICE agent which has amounted to basically a Rorschach test depending on people's political leaning. Even the massive T-rex and shark sitting on the driveways. The neighbourhood and the bystanders seem like the epitome of the greasy libtards that everyone loves to hate, but at the same time it looks like they are just trying to peacefully go about their day when an unknown paramilitary force shows up waving guns and shouting. They look more like cartel gangsters than police, and the whole thing looked like a carjacking. It couldn't be more perfectly designed to sew division.

Regarding the mechanics, I see people talking about the position of her wheels at X seconds in the video or whatever, but everything the driver did was signalling intention to just drive away. Whether our of fear or just ego, she reverses (wheel to the left), then accelerates in a continuous motion all the while turning the wheel to her right, i.e. attempting to drive to the right, not hitting the agent, although she does definitely hit the gas too hard.

The agent POV cam clearly saw her execute the reverse manoeuvre, put it in drive, start turning the wheel rapidly to the right (for nearly a full second), but then somehow acts surprised and shits his pants when she accelerates? Everything about her movements signalled her intention to accelerate to the right and escape. A monkey could have read those signals and got out of the way in one step. Instead he moves TOWARDS the vehicle during this time she is changing gear, turning the wheel, showing what she was about to do. Of course she is not showing office Badass enough respect, and has the nerve to run away, so it's time to execute her. Maybe this last part is a little unfair and reaching, but it does kinda look that way.

 

[Joe]

A monkey could have read those signals and got out of the way in one step. Instead he moves TOWARDS the vehicle during this time she is changing gear, turning the wheel, showing what she was about to do. Of course she is not showing office Badass enough respect, and has the nerve to run away, so it's time to execute her. Maybe this last part is a little unfair and reaching, but it does kinda look that way.

That's pretty much it, and it was obvious from the very first video. All of the analysis after the fact is just nonsense and noise. That's the part that's most instructive to me, i.e. just how polarized and, frankly, stupid so many people on SM are. Facts and truth have been cast aside by these people in favor of "my team", and whatever "my team" does is right, and the fact be damned.

As for the fact that a trigger happy cop shot a civilian in dubious circumstances, there are literally dozens of such incidents across the US going back decades. Nothing new there. Some cops are just like that. Sad for America.

 

[Niall]

1. I wonder if the ICE agents have been trained by Israeli's?
2. There is an ICE agent giving her instructions, which as a civilian she is required to obey. She ignores them. What do think happens if a cop tells you to do something and you do the opposite, or anything vaguely threatening?

1. We know that the Deputy Director of ICE during Trump's first term received training in Israel (although of the ideological kind). The Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF) whistleblower Anthony Aguilar says he was among ICE agents (among other US agencies) when he was training in Israel. ICE signed a contract with Israeli cybersecurity firm Paragon as recently as 2024. Numbers are not officially published, but, of the 20K or so ICE agents, we can reasonably assume that hundreds of them received either practical or theoretical training in Israel at some point. And that's in the context of a quarter-century long practice of 'institutional cross-over' whereby policing methods and protocols 'the Israeli way' were 'imported' to the US, thus affecting the entirety of US law enforcement 'culture', to one extent or another.

2. If your answer to that is, '3 bullets to the face', you would be correct. But it's extreme and is symptomatic of a changed dynamic between authority and citizen, in which the latter has become, on occasions like this anyway, demonstrably 'second-class'. Like it has long since been for Palestinians - and, these days, many dissenting Israeli Jews - in Israel and the Occupied Territories.

 

[Scottie]

There is way too much, "So what you're saying is..." going on around this topic on SM.

For me, it's impossible to justify the cop's actions. I mean, let her go. She's out of the way - problem solved. Then if needed, pull her over later when she's not 'disrupting the ICE event' when you (the cops) have better control of the situation (and yourselves). Plus, those cops no doubt know what the activists' playbook is, so nothing the women did should have been a surprise.

But if I say that, then suddenly it's, "Oh, so you're defending libtards and lesbians and the immigrant invasion and you want to destroy America and you hate Trump and you approve of the molestation of children!!!"

Eh, no. IMO those two women were totally retarded for doing what they did. At a basic level, that's Method #1 on the list of Ways to Get Yourself Killed in the Modern Empire - and the list is pretty long.

Legally, there are rules that cops should follow. They often don't, and haven't for a long time. So when one tells you to, "Get the F out of the car", you should do it unless you plan on checking out. That isn't right, but it is smart. Live to fight another day and all that. Better yet, stop putting yourself in dangerous situations because if you don't, you may be the match that lights the fire of 'revolution' - and we all should know by now that perhaps no revolution in the history of humanity ever happened strictly for 'righteous' reasons. 4D and control and all that...

This event cannot be explained simply and in black and white terms because there is nothing simple about the Empire and it's continuing decay and the utter chaos that this is causing on so many levels. It's a big dang mess, and it's probably going to get worse and end up touching most of us in one way or another. So best not to jump in feet first, but instead just 'enjoy the show'.

 

[treesparrow]

Briefly, lest we forget or overlook who was involved in training ICE officers over the past few years -

https://twitter.com/x/status/2009910399076852157

US law enforcement including ICE, DHS, FBI, and local police have participated in exchange programs and training seminars with Israeli police and security forces.

These trainings often focus on counter-terrorism, surveillance, crowd control, and border security.

A retired U.S. Green Beret named Anthony Aguilar recently appeared in a video stating that ICE agents train in Israel alongside Israeli forces and tactics learned are then brought back and used in the US.

The immigration and Customs Enforcement has an office in Tel Aviv.

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[SevenFeathers]

not unless America has now turned to Saudi Arabia or something like that.

My fellow Americans like to brag that we are "free" and other countries hate us for that. Yeah, we are free as long as we do as we are told. Cops are trained that we are the enemy. The Rutherford Institute (John Whitehead) has multiple examples of how this has become a police state. His articles are often featured on SOTT. Some youtubers such as Brian Young have almost daily reports of cops abusing people (Here's the Deal).

Americans are the most programmed people in the world.

I don't know about other countries, but it seems worse to me here because of how free people think they are.

I was stopped for speeding and barely rolled down my window and the cop got a little hot about that. Then when writing me the ticket, she asked me for employment information. When I refused to give that (since that has nothing to do with traffic "laws"), she got even more antagonistic. Cops want us to be obedient slaves and just do as we are told, no matter what.

From the different videos I have viewed of the recent situation, I don't think that woman was trying to ram that guy. And even if she WAS trying to hit him, tell me, how would shooting her STOP the car? It wouldn't.

 

[Joe]

There is an ICE agent giving her instructions, which as a civilian she is required to obey. She ignores them. What do think happens if a cop tells you to do something and you do the opposite, or anything vaguely threatening? Cops see and experience a lot more shit than any of us has (assumption) and they DO NOT like not being in control.

That's fair enough. But in what kind of "civilized society" do you risk getting shot in the head for not obeying an order or "doing something vaguely threatening". Pretty sure one of the "civilized societies" where that was likely was Nazi Germany (among other notable overtly totalitarian states throughout modern history).

 

[Mrs. Peel]

I think the agent’s previous incident of being hit and dragged by a car played into his reaction also.

To make a long story short, I think that's basically it.

 

[Oxajil]

My thoughts:

The ICE agent was previously injured when dragged by a car while arresting an undocumented immigrant and in this situation faced a moving car again (regardless of which direction it was going to). It's possible he was afraid, and within a second fired his gun. A different agent without that prior car trauma might've reacted differently.

That said, if the shooting stems from his past trauma (as JD Vance alluded), he shouldn't have returned to work. There should be better training and treatment for officers and agents, and none should return to work unless they can effectively de-escalate situations using minimal force (even when exposed to certain triggers). The agent, supervisor and employer should face some consequences.

Those who obstruct or stand in the way of ICE doing its job should be immediately arrested (using appropriate force if needed). I know it's a complicated and messy situation, and I don't think all illegal immigrants should be deported, but standing in the way isn't going to help anyone. You might give them an extra few hours or an extra few days, but ultimately, they will be deported. If you want to help, then give them money as they return or help them get to the US through legal means. I'm referring to those immigrants who are goodhearted, hardworking and trying to build a life.

Ultimately, IMO, all this furthers the divide and conquer agenda. As always, true evil lies in the CIA and co, but left and right are too busy pointing fingers at each other.

 

[genero81]

The ICE agent was previously injured when dragged by a car while arresting an undocumented immigrant and in this situation faced a moving car again (regardless of which direction it was going to). It's possible he was afraid, and within a second fired his gun. A different agent without that prior car trauma might've reacted differently.

OR, said agent knew exactly what he was doing when he stepped in front of her car with the mind set; "I dare you to try and make a move with your vehicle."

Otherwise his previous experience would likely elicit the opposite behavior, one of caution. OSIT

 

[mkrnhr]

I guess all of us Europeans are watching the Americans explain the agents' actions and are thinking "wtf is going on?!"

I'm not European, I'm a brown third worldist as the online maga retards say, but I've rarely seen such a pathetic spectacle.

Trump and Vance could have said "it's a tragic incident, we will instruct the authorities to investigate and the justice system to decide". That's politics 101 taught in kindergarten, or a basic "silence is golden" rule.

Even if a woman was annoying (those who are not are usually called angels, a rare and mythical category), that's not a reason to kill her, no need for intellectual gymnastics to why the paramilitary had trauma, and was trained to kill people, and was emotional because it was his period of the month, or the best: you have to obey authorities absolutely or get killed, and if you get killed it's because you didn't grovel enough.

 

[luc]

It couldn't be more perfectly designed to sew division.

Yeah, or at least it's a consequence of social engineering.

So basically, you flood the country with a horde of parasitic migrants, not before you libtardized society to the degree they lost all common sense regarding ethnic relations. Then when it's too late, you promise those who woke up to the mess that you'll kick 'em out, nevermind that this can't possibly work short of extreme measures that would probably upend society and the whole system (similar to the promise of turning back the economy to the big 'ol days while at the same time giving up the empire, and without any system-crashing-level change). Then you send ICE agents out on an impossible mission, while making a lot of noise and talking tough. Inevitably, some of them will go off the rails, whether they are psychos attracted to the dirty work, frustration with the impossibility of the mission or some combination. Add the libtardized set to the mix that is brainwashed into believing kicking out a migrant = Hitler, and Soros-NGO-agitated to "stop ICE" because that's the virtue-signal of the day, nevermind that if you see ICE agents as fascist goons, you probably should expect fascist-goony behavior and better be careful, but it's all just a big virtuous fight with no cost and we are the good ones, right? Why, now those who want the migrants out can blame the agitpopped libtards, and see no other way out than go hardcore, without realizing the deeper issues, which the libtards then take as confirmation that they really are up against literal fascists, and both sides reinforce each others' delusions. Meanwhile, everybody freaks out about a symbolic death that frankly isn't that important. Until it's forgotten tomorrow and "the next pig is ran through the village", as they say in German.