3600 Year Cycle: Where's the evidence?

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Yes, Venus seems to have been the cause of the axial tilt. Though how do you reconcile the 1600 BC date for the last comet cluster visit with the 470 phantom years that apparently didn't happen? The 4.2 kiloyear event in around 2200 BC seems like the most likely date for the comet cluster.
I know we have this 470 years gap thing and C's said 'it needs some work'.

Consider as a rant, if you please. But the whole dating thing looks to me can of worms. That is why I never wanted to go into Cass Cosmology or Indian history thing. I never thought that overlapping Clube and Napier Giant comet calculations over what C's dates giving will go any where. I went into it because Indian history for my curiosity became so confusing. If every thing is wrong, we drop it. But, some looks correct and other looks too outlandish ( or layers of mental gymnastics mixed with 'historicization of myth and mythicization of history over long time like in layers), then we get very confusing situation. That's why I told myself i needed reference point ( or 'Source of Truth') to even to have a opinion what is right or wrong,

But It did produced some very interesting results for my surprise.

My line of thought is this. C's said many times that cataclysms change metrics ( or units) that our so called scientific instruments measure. We have cataclysm all the time - 540 AD ( final decline of Giants) , 1100 BCE ( last time megalithic technology) , Venus settling period ( 3000 to 2000 BCE) and so on. some times C's say our timings doesn't make sense for them (ex: Nephilim bringing in one reference is 12,000 BCE and another reference point is 9000 BCE). Then What is the point of getting hung up on dates/times? Fine, We are helpless linear time creatures, then why C's outside this constraints giving dates? I went with the assumption that We may not know what we are doing and they know what they are doing.

It becomes much more complicated when we look at how these consensual units of measure became acceptable to every body across the world during the last 400 years, It is directly overlaps with colonialism. It is not altruistic for sure. How does it reflected? The main accusation from right wing Indian Historians is that all the history is written in such a way that all the data points has to be after biblical start 4500 BCE ( Vedas - 1500 BCE etc. piling of things later).

Does no body asked about reality before 400 years? Every child asks 'where did I come from' by the time he starts talking and thinking. So it is highly unlikely.

One way to reconcile is - we need to measure things by 'Event' , instead of "Time" alone. Ex: Last Atlantean battle, C's put it 10.9K BCE, then Younger Dryas then Noah's flood ( 40 after YD). Western civilization knows from Plato's date 9000 years before his time ( 9600 BCE). Event is same, date is different, Then give more weightage to C's based on Event and see how it goes.

But artifacts survive by sheer luck. So we are limited by what is survived ( leaving aside Smithsonian stuff that is hidden under "political" pressure). Events are (or has to be) "recreated" by some body and most probably influenced by the circumstances of his time.

Leaving aside my about rant, How to reconcile 470 years. Best way to reconcile partially, Take one Event ( specific social or natural dynamic ) or Entity (Person, place and so on) and try to dig through by reading, it will open some avenues. For example

1600 BCE:
  • Eruption of Thera.
  • Exodus from Crete.
  • Comets, Akhenaten
1100 BCE:

* Bronze Age destruction (Giant comet remnants)
* End of "sound wave focusing" (Megalithic) technology
* End of Mohenjo-Daro
* Angkor Wat(built by Lizards
* Troy (in Britain) destroyed (Iliad)

The question is 1600 or 1100 BCE in this context? - What insight we are missing from this ( being different or same)?

May be we should start using Ian Caroll's WEBB application , dump all the books ( Laura's books, C's session, Mary Settegast, all the dendrochronology, Ice core data etc. ). Only consider little more authentic and start creating Events and time. and see how it works.


Laura already did w.r.t cometary events (portents, comet/meteorite observation) from old Roman/Greek books. That data also can be added. some critical data points came later ( ex: Vedas). At least we can reconcile Events with dates. It will become confusing ( and we have to make some choices as a hypothesis) before it becomes clearer.
 
I feel absolutely sorry if this appears to be of no use at all. Absolutely. I hope it isn't and that a visual may be still be appreciated / relevant.
Don't be, I'm just not sure if your efforts are worth it. If there's an axial shift that is temporary, a few hundred years, it might not show up in the record. But that it's still a working hypothesis.
Laura already did w.r.t cometary events (portents, comet/meteorite observation) from old Roman/Greek books. That data also can be added. some critical data points came later ( ex: Vedas). At least we can reconcile Events with dates. It will become confusing ( and we have to make some choices as a hypothesis) before it becomes clearer.
Not knowing the amount of work that entails, I would say go for it. Even though it might drive technically-oriented people crazy, I can certainly appreciate it.
 
Leaving aside my about rant, How to reconcile 470 years. Best way to reconcile partially, Take one Event ( specific social or natural dynamic ) or Entity (Person, place and so on) and try to dig through by reading, it will open some avenues. For example

1600 BCE:
  • Eruption of Thera.
  • Exodus from Crete.
  • Comets, Akhenaten
1100 BCE:

* Bronze Age destruction (Giant comet remnants)
* End of "sound wave focusing" (Megalithic) technology
* End of Mohenjo-Daro
* Angkor Wat(built by Lizards
* Troy (in Britain) destroyed (Iliad)

The question is 1600 or 1100 BCE in this context? - What insight we are missing from this ( being different or same)?
470 phantom years means these never happened and so 3600 years ago would be around 2100 BC, not 1100 BC. The 4.2 kiloyear event was around that time (2200 BC to 2100 BC), which was one of the most severe 'climate disruptions' in the Holocene.
 
The 20 degree axial tilt could also have been temporal, due to core-mantle dynamics. The Cs said "Not in an "instant" but quickly enough taking scale into account". A temporal shift speaks of something other than crustal slippage, which sounds catastrophic and abrupt.

If earth's core heats up in cycles, and that "butters up the mantle", that could facilitate a tilt when it interacts with other factors like the gravitational pull of Venus while it establishes its known orbit in the solar system. There's the human-cosmic connection factor as well. Could it be possible that it reverted back, at least partially, when the Earth "cooled down"?

That is, perhaps it was not so definite like the axial tilt triggered by crustal slippage after a Younger Dryas impact, which left frozen mammoths all over Siberia and which changed the alignment from Hudson Bay to what it is today or back then.
Yes, a temporary tilt is definitely a possibility. The question the C's answered was whether the events of 2300 BC "modified the axial tilt of our planet", to which they said "Yes, by 20 degrees" - which could have been temporary.

Though the heating up of the mantle seems to be the mechanism for crustal slippage (new north and south pole locations), while an axial tilt change may not require mantle heating. The whole planet tilts, which actually seems to require a strong mantle to keep the crust in place. Otherwise it becomes crustal slippage instead of an axial tilt.
 
@seek10 I believe that your idea of a different appreciation of events is a great one!

Best way to reconcile partially, Take one Event ( specific social or natural dynamic ) or Entity (Person, place and so on) and try to dig through by reading, it will open some avenues.

I understand there is value in considering events such as you said. It's a completely different perspective. This is a nice way of looking at "history" I believe. It's just a bit challenging for the mind :-[

I am not even sure that I perfectly understand what is to take shape. But as far as I understand your idea, it would be about an appreciation of various "factors", such as specific social momentums, and else - and the main job would be to cross-checking references, cross-checking "events", because this would be possible. So that we may find "matches".

If you were eager... to pursue, it could be a good idea if you would like to "sum up" the "concept", for other members (for example). This is just a suggestion!

Another idea could be if you would just provide a "draft", an example, so that people can get it. I wouldn't know, myself, how to begin from scratch in such an exercise. Well - you already provided an example of the process:

1600 BCE:
  • Eruption of Thera.
  • Exodus from Crete.
  • Comets, Akhenaten
1100 BCE:

* Bronze Age destruction (Giant comet remnants)
* End of "sound wave focusing" (Megalithic) technology
* End of Mohenjo-Daro
* Angkor Wat(built by Lizards
* Troy (in Britain) destroyed (Iliad)

The question is 1600 or 1100 BCE in this context? - What insight we are missing from this ( being different or same)?

Would you say that this is "more or less it" - or that "this is it", in terms of your goal? The above example is clear (but it may not cover the entirety of your idea - so I am asking).

I bolded a part, which suggests that "something is missing", and of course it seems to hint at the goal of your idea - finding a way to "reconcile" parts. But I may be missing something so I am just trying to clarify your idea. Feel free to update if you feel so, if you have the time of course!

If you are busy, something that I can perfectly understand, please do how's best to you! But I find your idea very promizing. We cannot much rely on dates, as a basic, after all. It could be that the best would be first to define a set of successive events, and only then look at the dates. I don't know if this is close to what you are thinking of doing. Implementation of dates as a second phase, so as to give meaning to something else in the first place.
 
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