432 Hz vs 440Hz

[anka]

Check this out.

www.1911encyclopedia.org/Musical_Pitch

I think its interesting to consider data from before info control was as efficient.

As Era of Love noticed, the above link does not work anymore.

I have been following this tread as it meanders along. Mostly because I would like to know a lot more than I do now about music theory and harmonics as understood anciently.

Here is an interesting site talking about harmonics which I came across recently though it was probably created about 1995.
_http://ray.tomes.biz/index.htm
I think he started from an interest in Pythagorean music theory and kept going from there.

On this page: _http://ray.tomes.biz/alex.htm he mentions his conclusion that

Based on Indian music, the Earth's natural resonance, a study of the rhythm speed for great composers and other evidence, I believe that 450Hz is the true and correct A. It is in harmony with the Earth...

BTW. Elsewhere on the site he presents a critique of the "Big Bang" theory which might help explain a comment I noticed recently in the Cassiopaean transcripts to the effect that a cosmic ray source was closer than admitted by the current cosmology. He states "The only theory that fits the known facts is a variable particle mass theory". I don't know if this has been mentioned here already?

And these two have somehow been "blended" with Cassiopaea website so here they are corrected:

http://ray.tomes.biz/index.htm

http://ray.tomes.biz/alex.htm

 

[Mcdonald]

I want to ask you... If there was a concert or festival like ROCK IN RIO and bands were playing there in 432 Hz, wouldn't people have so much fun? Would they be like kinda falling asleep or less crazy????????

 

[l apprenti de forgeron]

Hello Mcdonald,

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[msasa79]

Yes, I agree, definition of a second is arbitrary and as such it's 'removed' from intrinsic natural phenomena.

[...]

Time as such is only a convention and I see it as a measure of interaction/change, especially associated with periodic changes/motions in Nature.
As we live on BBM and as such we are related to it, it's 'natural' that we're measuring time as it is 'seen' on Earth and common periodic motion on Earth is its rotation. So it's natural choice to relate definition of time to Earth's rotation.

Well, viewing the unit of time in the context of what the C's said about humans (paraphrasing): rather bodycentric lot, then 'a second' becomes pretty much the natural human choice for a measure of the feeling of the passage of time. Most prominent natural cycle/rhythm for a living human being is the heart-beat, and an average rhythm of the human heart in its more or less relaxed, unstressed state is 60 beats per minute, which translates into 1 Hz, i.e. one beat per second. That then simply means that natural human cycle/rhythm, i.e. an unit measure of how much of the 'time' has passed or the 'time' between two successive heart-beats, is then one second.

Maybe more importantly, the above also implies that the passage of time is pretty much subjective (for living beings at least) and is closely (if not exclusively) linked to the body, i.e. to the heart rhythm of the particular individual. Which then can be connected to the so called hibernation in which hearts of the people in that state beat very very slowly, effectively making also the time to pass very very slowly for them. The C's mentioned something like a heart-beat per hour when in hibernation mode.

Q: (L) When you say replacement, do you mean something as simple as someone dying, such as a head of state, and being replaced by another person who comes to power? That would be the simplest scenario that would fit this explanation.

A: Your scenario is not simple.

Q: (L) I mean simple in terms of the machinations...

A: Both.

Q: (L) Would it also be that key personnel could also be replaced as in duplication?

A: Yes. And removing to secret activity realm. Enough wars have taken place to effectively create entire new "underground race" of humans, both from direct capture followed by "reeducation," and spawning activity using these persons and others.

Q: (L) What do you mean by spawning activity?

A: Those captured have reproduced offspring, these never having seen your world.

Q: (L) Are you saying... (TK) They have given birth and these children have never seen our world... (L) How can an entire race of people, or groups of people, live under the surface of this planet, without the whole 6 billion of the rest of us on top, or at least a large number, realizing that there is anything going on? This is so wild an idea...

A: No. How much space exists underground, as opposed to that on the surface?

Q: (L) A lot, I suppose. You aren't saying that the earth is hollow, are you?

A: No, not exactly.

Q: (L) Well, how deep is the deepest of these underground cities?

A: 3,108 miles.

Q: (L) That's pretty deep! But wouldn't it be too hot at that depth?

A: No. Temperature averages 68 degrees F.

Q: (TK) That's pretty comfortable! (L) How do they have light?

A: Magnetic resonance.

Q: (L) Well, aren't they subject to being crushed by earthquakes?

A: No, earthquakes are not felt deep underground!!

Q: (L) Does any of this underground civilization activity have any relation to this massive underground base the Russians are building?

A: No.

Q: (TK) Is any of this under the ocean?

A: Yes.

Q: (TK) Well, we'll never explore all of what is under the ocean. (L) It just staggers the mind to think about it. What do they want these people for?

A: To replace you.

Q: (TK) And why? Because they can control them better. Right?

A: Completely.

Q: (L) Do these people being bred and raised in these underground cities have souls?

A: Yes, most.

Q: (TK) Are they just like us only raised differently?

A: More complicated than that.

Q: (L) How long have they been doing this?

A: 14,000 years, approximately.

Q: (L) If they have been doing it that long, obviously the ones they have taken at the beginning have croaked and are of no use to replace anybody on the earth unless they have been replacing people from time to time for various reasons...

A: No, their technology makes yours look like Neanderthal by comparison! Hibernation tubes... One heartbeat per hour, for example.

Q: (TH) That means that for every year we live, they would live 4200 years... (L) Does any of this have anything to do with that crazy pit at Oak Island?

A: In an offhand way.

Q: (L) How do we fit into all of this? (TK) We don't!

A: You have been the "preparation committee."

Q: (L) What have we been doing? Is it part of the plan for us to destroy the planet, destroy the ozone layer, pollute the seas and so forth to make it more habitable for them?

A: Those things are inconsequential and easily repaired.

Q: (TK) With their technology, they can fix all of that. (L) This is really horrible, you know! To think of all this... (TK) Apparently, from what I am understanding, they can't just come in and wipe us out and replace us, because the 'rules' won't allow it.

A: Yet the natural cycles within the framework of the natural order of things will allow all these things to fall into place.

Q: (L) Is there some law within the realm of these beings, sort of like the law of gravity, that prevents them from just coming in and taking over?

A: No.

Q: (TK) I don't think it is like the law of gravity...

A: What "law" is there that inhibits you from manipulating 2nd density beings at will?!?

Q: (L) Well, I don't go out and deliberately hurt or manipulate anything or anybody. (TK) Of course, in our handling of these 'critters,' we are conserving them in some ways so that we will have an ongoing food supply... I think there are rules to the game. It's like a chess game. They can't just come in and change things, it has to progress in some way. But, there are loopholes and they can sneak in and manipulate and get away with some things... (TH) Then, there aren't rules - there are just guidelines.

A: Two important points there: 1) When we said "you," we meant 3rd density collectively. 2) You missed our statement about the natural cycle and order of things almost completely. We suggest you reread and ponder... Also, what if your race is manipulated to destroy yourselves, or, just hang around until the next natural cataclysm?

 

[Tristan]

I have read a discussion about frequencies of music, and found something interesting.

Apparently Hitler played music using 440Hz which was also a change made by the Roman Church around the time they interpreted the Bible. Before that 432Hz was the tone used, going way back in history. There is the fact that 440Hz does not work properly in music, but 432Hz allows music to flow.

I did a quick u-tube search and found some examples of both frequencies using the same music. The results are amassing.

The ancient "bullroarer", a common artifact found worldwide, used by the ancients for what?

Music & Spinning? I am at work, so this is all I can put up, for now, but a quick google search and/or u-tube will give readers something to listen to and hear what I am talking about. This is something I seem very familiar with.

I came across an article that discusses and provides some interesting facts about this curious instrument, which I knew nothing about. The Bullroarer: a history of man's most sacred ritual object

The Bullroarer: a history of man's most sacred ritual object​

“No ethnomusicologist, I think, would stand for plurigenesis as regards the bull-roarers, which even in decorative detail are often alike and are used for the same purpose wherever and whenever found.” ~Jaap Kunst, 1960
​

The bullroarer doesn’t look like much. Just a slat of wood or bone attached to a string and then spun to produce a “roar.”1 But to study the bullroarer is to gaze at the history of man, from the beginnings of religious expression in the Ice Age to the mystery cults of the ancient Greeks and primitive cannibals alike2.

 

[BHelmet]

A440 or A432 is just the arbitrary selection of one frequency for one note. Tuning is ridiculously FAR more complex than that simple decision. That C528 is the “love frequency” is another oversimplified new age concept. Devils and Details, as always.

Musical frequency and tuning heavily involves mathematics, psycho-acoustics, and compromises galore. It is possible to tune an instrument very closely to perfection in one key but then every other key will be somewhat off to the point of being audibly sour or discordant. (Mainly at the 2 intervals Gurdjieff harped on) Tuning is a series of compromises.

There is a thing called temperament. Currently equal temperament has been adopted which divides the tones of an octave equally but that ain’t how the math works when figuring perfect fifths, thirds, ratios etc. There are multiple temperaments: different schemes that flavor any tuning differently. Ever watch a piano tuner at work? It is as much of an art as a mechanical science, if not more so. Get the middle of the keys to sound sweet at the expense of the high and low end etc. Equal temperament is basically a compromise that can kill the mojo Of all the keys, but it also “works” for all the keys too.

Basically perfect theoretical math translated into the imperfect physical reality of mechanical acoustics Yielding problematic results.

To sum up, Choosing an arbitrary frequency for one note is but one ice crystal on the top of the tonal iceberg.

 

[Jacques]

A new video comparing 432 hz to 440 hz

 

[axj]

I have been also experimenting with converting 440 Hz music to 432 Hz. The results seem to vary, in many cases 432 Hz does sound more harmonious and less "sharp" (as in no "cutting" quality), like you can listen to the music much longer and stay in a centered place. With some music there seems to be not much of a difference and sometimes the 432 Hz versions sound kind of subdued, not sure why.

This is the free batch converter to 432 Hz I have been using: 432Hz Batch Converter

 

[PerfectCircle]

Thank you axj, will definitely check it out!

 

[Toni Lorenzo]

A new video comparing 432 hz to 440 hz

Knocked the ball out of the park.

 

[Natus Videre]

Let's see what the research says:

Abstract
Context: The current reference frequency for tuning musical instruments is 440 Hz. Some theorists and musicians claim that the 432 Hz tuning has better effects on the human body, but there are no scientific studies that support this hypothesis.

Objective: To identify differences in vital parameters and perceptions after listening to music at different frequencies, 440 Hz versus 432 Hz.

Design: Cross-over pilot study.

Setting: A room dedicated to listening to music, in an Italian city.

Participants: 33 volunteers, not suffering from acute and/or chronic diseases.

Interventions: Two sessions of music listening on different days. Both sessions used the same music (movie soundtracks) but tuned to 440 Hz on one day and 432 Hz on the other. Each session consisted of 20 min' listening.

Main outcome measures: Vital parameters (blood pressure, heart rate, respiratory rate, oxygen saturation), perceptions (physical and emotional sensations, for example fatigue and stress), levels of concentration during the listening session, and general satisfaction with the experience.

Results: 432 Hz tuned music was associated with a slight decrease of mean (systolic and diastolic) blood pressure values (although not significant), a marked decrease in the mean of heart rate (-4.79 bpm, p = 0.05) and a slight decrease of the mean respiratory rate values (1 r.a., p = 0.06), compared to 440 Hz. The subjects were more focused about listening to music and more generally satisfied after the sessions in which they listened to 432 Hz tuned music.

Conclusions: The data suggests that 432 Hz tuned music can decrease heart rate more than 440 Hz tuned music. The study results suggest repeating the experiment with a larger sample pool and introducing randomized controlled trials covering more clinical parameters.

Music Tuned to 440 Hz Versus 432 Hz and the Health Effects: A Double-blind Cross-over Pilot Study - PubMed

The data suggests that 432 Hz tuned music can decrease heart rate more than 440 Hz tuned music. The study results suggest repeating the experiment with a larger sample pool and introducing randomized controlled trials covering more clinical parameters.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Abstract
Background and aim: Healthcare providers in the emergency first response units have been exposed to a considerable stress during the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic. This study was designed to identify the effects of listening to music during the work break compared to the routine break (in the absence of listening to music) on the level of state anxiety and on the vital parameters of the nurses on duty at the operations center.

Methods: Randomized, controlled, three-arm, double-blind, single-center clinical study. Healthcare providers were divided into three groups according to study intervention (Group 1: listening to 440Hz music; Group 2: listening to 432Hz music; Group 3: liberal activity). The study was conducted during the working hours of dayshifts in an emergency first response unit station located in Tuscany, Italy. Outcomes were measured against measures of stress (State-Trait Anxiety Inventory - STAIX1), heart rate (HR), respiratory rate (RR), systolic/diastolic blood pressure (SBP/DBP), pain and productivity (Likert Scale) measured at baseline (T0) and at the end of exposure (T1).

Results: Overall, 54 healthcare providers were enrolled; 32 females (59.3%); mean age of 39.64 years (SD±9.94); the total measurements performed were 83. The median values of STAI X1 decreased in all the 3 groups from T0 to T1 (Group 1: 34.5 vs. 32, p=0.0001; Group 2: 34 vs. 29, p=0.001; Group 3: 33 vs. 31, p=0.028). In Group 2 a reduction of mean values of respiratory rate and systolic blood pressure was recorded at T1 (-2.714 b/min, p=0.000 and -3.821 mmHg, p=0.031, respectively).

Conclusions: Listening to music at 432 Hz is a low cost and short intervention that can be a useful resource to manage anxiety and stress. Further studies are needed to assess medium and long-term effects of listening to music.

The Listening to music tuned to 440 Hz versus 432 Hz to reduce anxiety and stress in emergency nurses during the COVID-19 pandemic: a double-blind, randomized controlled pilot study - PubMed

Listening to music at 432 Hz is a low cost and short intervention that can be a useful resource to manage anxiety and stress. Further studies are needed to assess medium and long-term effects of listening to music.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Abstract
Background and aim of the work: Among people with spinal cord injuries, sleep disorders are considered one of the top well-being priorities. Some studies suggest that listening to music promotes sleep and improves its quality. These studies usually used music standardised at the frequency of 440 Hz. The aim of the present study is to compare the effects of listening to music tuned to 440 Hz and music tuned to 432 Hz on sleep in patients with spinal cord injuries. Methods: Double-blind cross-over pilot study in a single Italian Spinal Unit. 12 patients with spinal injuries were provided with mp3 players loaded with their favourite music tuned to 440 Hz or 432 Hz. They were invited to listen to music for 30 minutes each day, in the two periods of the study. "Sleep Scale for Medical Study" modified for this study, and the "Perceived Stress Scale" were chosen.

Results: The participants were eight males (mean age =58.12, SD ±13.62), and four females (mean age =56.25, SD ±14.17). Five were quadriplegics and seven were paraplegics. Listening times and wash-out periods were variable. The stress decreased, but not significantly, with listening to music at both frequencies. After listening to music at 432 Hz there was a significant improvement in sleep scores (+3.6, p=0.02), while there was no improvement in sleep scores listening to music at 440 Hz (-1.50, p=0.34).

Conclusions: The results suggest that further studies on music interventions at 432 Hz should be performed. It is advisable to increase sample sizes and use a range of different research methods.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/346609861_Music_tuned_to_432_Hz_versus_music_tuned_to_440_Hz_for_improving_sleep_in_patients_with_spinal_cord_injuries_a_double-blind_cross-over_pilot_study

It seems like there are benefits to listening to 432 Hz music, although it may not be as earth-shattering (pun intended) as the "love and light" community portrays it. If some dark beings have decided to set 440 Hz as the standard, that's totally understandable—more stress, more anxiety, more control. There are many ways to manipulate human beings. What about all our "government approved" electrical devices? Or the "imperceptible" buzzing of cell towers? Chaos is all around us, and even through us if we are not careful.

 

[PerfectCircle]

It seems like it varies depending on the song /musical piece. For some it is almost the same, for others there is some difference, especially if you have been listening to something more frequently and then next day you listen to it again but in 432.

To be honest, for many of songs If I did not know which one is which, I would not know which one feels better for me.
Also, if a song file is compressed and frequencies have been compressed while mastering, I don't know how much can 432 conversion really be 432Hz (as if it was recorded directly on 432).

Most songs mastered today work on samples basis and compressed bits... I guess the true difference is felt when something is played directly from the instrument which is tuned on 432Hz.