432 Hz vs 440Hz
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l apprenti de forgeron
The Living Force
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SasaM
Jedi Council Member
Well, viewing the unit of time in the context of what the C's said about humans (paraphrasing): rather bodycentric lot, then 'a second' becomes pretty much the natural human choice for a measure of the feeling of the passage of time. Most prominent natural cycle/rhythm for a living human being is the heart-beat, and an average rhythm of the human heart in its more or less relaxed, unstressed state is 60 beats per minute, which translates into 1 Hz, i.e. one beat per second. That then simply means that natural human cycle/rhythm, i.e. an unit measure of how much of the 'time' has passed or the 'time' between two successive heart-beats, is then one second.
Maybe more importantly, the above also implies that the passage of time is pretty much subjective (for living beings at least) and is closely (if not exclusively) linked to the body, i.e. to the heart rhythm of the particular individual. Which then can be connected to the so called hibernation in which hearts of the people in that state beat very very slowly, effectively making also the time to pass very very slowly for them. The C's mentioned something like a heart-beat per hour when in hibernation mode.
I came across an article that discusses and provides some interesting facts about this curious instrument, which I knew nothing about. The Bullroarer: a history of man's most sacred ritual object
The Bullroarer: a history of man's most sacred ritual object
“No ethnomusicologist, I think, would stand for plurigenesis as regards the bull-roarers, which even in decorative detail are often alike and are used for the same purpose wherever and whenever found.” ~Jaap Kunst, 1960
The bullroarer doesn’t look like much. Just a slat of wood or bone attached to a string and then spun to produce a “roar.”1 But to study the bullroarer is to gaze at the history of man, from the beginnings of religious expression in the Ice Age to the mystery cults of the ancient Greeks and primitive cannibals alike2.
BHelmet
The Living Force
A440 or A432 is just the arbitrary selection of one frequency for one note. Tuning is ridiculously FAR more complex than that simple decision. That C528 is the “love frequency” is another oversimplified new age concept. Devils and Details, as always.
Musical frequency and tuning heavily involves mathematics, psycho-acoustics, and compromises galore. It is possible to tune an instrument very closely to perfection in one key but then every other key will be somewhat off to the point of being audibly sour or discordant. (Mainly at the 2 intervals Gurdjieff harped on) Tuning is a series of compromises.
There is a thing called temperament. Currently equal temperament has been adopted which divides the tones of an octave equally but that ain’t how the math works when figuring perfect fifths, thirds, ratios etc. There are multiple temperaments: different schemes that flavor any tuning differently. Ever watch a piano tuner at work? It is as much of an art as a mechanical science, if not more so. Get the middle of the keys to sound sweet at the expense of the high and low end etc. Equal temperament is basically a compromise that can kill the mojo Of all the keys, but it also “works” for all the keys too.
Basically perfect theoretical math translated into the imperfect physical reality of mechanical acoustics Yielding problematic results.
To sum up, Choosing an arbitrary frequency for one note is but one ice crystal on the top of the tonal iceberg.
Musical frequency and tuning heavily involves mathematics, psycho-acoustics, and compromises galore. It is possible to tune an instrument very closely to perfection in one key but then every other key will be somewhat off to the point of being audibly sour or discordant. (Mainly at the 2 intervals Gurdjieff harped on) Tuning is a series of compromises.
There is a thing called temperament. Currently equal temperament has been adopted which divides the tones of an octave equally but that ain’t how the math works when figuring perfect fifths, thirds, ratios etc. There are multiple temperaments: different schemes that flavor any tuning differently. Ever watch a piano tuner at work? It is as much of an art as a mechanical science, if not more so. Get the middle of the keys to sound sweet at the expense of the high and low end etc. Equal temperament is basically a compromise that can kill the mojo Of all the keys, but it also “works” for all the keys too.
Basically perfect theoretical math translated into the imperfect physical reality of mechanical acoustics Yielding problematic results.
To sum up, Choosing an arbitrary frequency for one note is but one ice crystal on the top of the tonal iceberg.
axj
The Living Force
I have been also experimenting with converting 440 Hz music to 432 Hz. The results seem to vary, in many cases 432 Hz does sound more harmonious and less "sharp" (as in no "cutting" quality), like you can listen to the music much longer and stay in a centered place. With some music there seems to be not much of a difference and sometimes the 432 Hz versions sound kind of subdued, not sure why.
This is the free batch converter to 432 Hz I have been using: 432Hz Batch Converter
This is the free batch converter to 432 Hz I have been using: 432Hz Batch Converter
PerfectCircle
Jedi Master
Thank you axj, will definitely check it out!
Toni Lorenzo
Jedi
Knocked the ball out of the park.
Let's see what the research says:
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
It seems like there are benefits to listening to 432 Hz music, although it may not be as earth-shattering (pun intended) as the "love and light" community portrays it. If some dark beings have decided to set 440 Hz as the standard, that's totally understandable—more stress, more anxiety, more control. There are many ways to manipulate human beings. What about all our "government approved" electrical devices? Or the "imperceptible" buzzing of cell towers? Chaos is all around us, and even through us if we are not careful.
Music Tuned to 440 Hz Versus 432 Hz and the Health Effects: A Double-blind Cross-over Pilot Study - PubMed
The data suggests that 432 Hz tuned music can decrease heart rate more than 440 Hz tuned music. The study results suggest repeating the experiment with a larger sample pool and introducing randomized controlled trials covering more clinical parameters.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
The Listening to music tuned to 440 Hz versus 432 Hz to reduce anxiety and stress in emergency nurses during the COVID-19 pandemic: a double-blind, randomized controlled pilot study - PubMed
Listening to music at 432 Hz is a low cost and short intervention that can be a useful resource to manage anxiety and stress. Further studies are needed to assess medium and long-term effects of listening to music.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
It seems like there are benefits to listening to 432 Hz music, although it may not be as earth-shattering (pun intended) as the "love and light" community portrays it. If some dark beings have decided to set 440 Hz as the standard, that's totally understandable—more stress, more anxiety, more control. There are many ways to manipulate human beings. What about all our "government approved" electrical devices? Or the "imperceptible" buzzing of cell towers? Chaos is all around us, and even through us if we are not careful.
PerfectCircle
Jedi Master
It seems like it varies depending on the song /musical piece. For some it is almost the same, for others there is some difference, especially if you have been listening to something more frequently and then next day you listen to it again but in 432.
To be honest, for many of songs If I did not know which one is which, I would not know which one feels better for me.
Also, if a song file is compressed and frequencies have been compressed while mastering, I don't know how much can 432 conversion really be 432Hz (as if it was recorded directly on 432).
Most songs mastered today work on samples basis and compressed bits... I guess the true difference is felt when something is played directly from the instrument which is tuned on 432Hz.
To be honest, for many of songs If I did not know which one is which, I would not know which one feels better for me.
Also, if a song file is compressed and frequencies have been compressed while mastering, I don't know how much can 432 conversion really be 432Hz (as if it was recorded directly on 432).
Most songs mastered today work on samples basis and compressed bits... I guess the true difference is felt when something is played directly from the instrument which is tuned on 432Hz.
