4th Density in a Bottle

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I don't put any serious faith in supposed conventional science. I certainly wouldn't be looking to NASA for answers, or any other officially sanctioned source of supposedly officially proclaimed experts. When one of these people can explain and demonstrate the levitation of stones like Edward Leedskalnin then I will think about paying attention. That will be a day worth taking note of for all humanity I should think.

Explain to me how a man with a 4Th grade education can do what they themselves combined cannot? See they don't understand Universe at all, and they have almost no tangible evidence to prove they do, and certainly nothing of value since the Wright Brothers, who themselves were bicycle mechanics, so they can't even claim credit for flight! At any rate...I digress, but the point is I would take everything conventional science says with a strong dose of salt. Listening to how these people explain Universe is like listening to a flim flam man.

As an example;

What we do now know, thanks to some daring and brave people, is that the Sun is most likely molten hydrogen, and it's sonolumience is a product of the cometary pathway it ploughs through space with the rest of our solar system in tow. It' been ploughing into a plasma field of magnetic energy and this is what has so greatly effected our ecosystem. Worthy of note is that the primary artifacts ejected by the Sun are infact actually Hydrogen and Oxygen.

The Earth never goes behind the sun, which is a complete impossibility as the Sun itself is pushing a bow wave of electromagnetic plasma in front of it, compacting the forward leading edge and making that kind of orbit as idiotic as it is illogical to conceive, yet this is what they teach today. It is a model of our Solar System which is 500 years old and a lie. Commons sense should prevail with even the slightest examination of the facts. We are not sitting on a lazy Susan orbiting around the backside of the Sun and never have. It's impossible and stupid. Turn the lazy Susan on it's edge and now have the Sun in the center ploughing through space with the planets caught in a toroidal orbital pattern, each spinning upon it's own axis. No planet has crossed it's own pathway in billions of years, if ever, it's impossible. The claims that the Voyager Space Craft have exited the Suns protective sheath are complete nonsense since the Sun is itself moving around the Galactic center at speeds which would leave those vehicles sitting side. Everything we know about space is infact only known about the space inside the Suns protective sheath. What lies beyond that is completely unknown.



What you're likely talking about is very likely a consequence of the things I've mentioned, as well as other things largely unknown and unseen in the form of energies from space which the power that be are somewhat desperate to understand, but which they are incapable of understanding because they are themselves as insane as they are perverted. At any rate, I would think that humanity moving into a 4Th density would pertain to a change primarily interior to thought, after which we may come to see an actual physiological change. Perhaps another race.

Most likely I would think this change would be a thing which was known in the ancient record as blue and green skinned people. There is some cursory evidence to show this is happening to the gut/interior of some creatures, specifically a wild hog, and pigs are closest to humans I believe in some regards, so perhaps changes are happening at the physiological level and not just with people.

Not that I would know, but I believe the Vedic Records account for many of the things which you're looking for. I think this will take place over the next 400 or so years. It may happen sooner. Who knows, but I feel this is somewhat linked to what you talked about.

The place we are at now, in or travels about the Galatic Center, is significant for a variety of reason. Simply put, the powers that be haven't been spraying the sky's for the last 20 years, since 1996, without a reason and we do know Edward Teller was working on this Geo-engineering scheme back in the 50's so it's not like they weren't well aware that where we are today would be point for concern. The concern is for them to retain their mind control and not about the survival or well being of the people alive.

Anyways...blathering away here an all, but I sort of get a sense of what you're seeking, but our understanding of how the mind body works is so woefully primitive that it's like trying to figure out how the body works by making analogies to hydraulics and plumbing as was done in a previous age.

Plasma is an artifact of gravity as it is a light source, and the cells do somehow involve interactions with light and polarization's of light/plasma's/magnetic fields which does, of course, mean that cold plasma is a reality since our bodies are doing this as a normal function, and you can search and find there's a bit of research going on about this in regards to cellular level communication.

The main problem with trying to understand the processes which you addressed are that these processes are so complex that the ability of a single human mind to understand their functions in a comprehensive way is impossible. It's not a way the human mind normally works and given our level of incompetence and ignorance it is probably better to pass islands in the sea and concentrate on the main objective, thereby just giving over to the idea that while some parts are not understood at all, their output can be seen and that these results are what really matters.

I hope that makes some sense. I think it's fine to examine these things and ask detailed questions, but fundamentally the issue is one of philosophy in how one see's their place in reality and if it's one of simple chemical matter composition then I think the solution to the goal of immortality, which is the main theme in the 4Th density concept, becomes a kind of impossible objective.

Whereas, if one see's that 4Th density as a kind of product of forces which can be enhanced with thought and action then the processes by which these changes happen are immaterial to the outcome.

Well I wrote all this foolscap so I guess I'll post it. The point is humans are connected with Universe to begin with. Here's an example.
The Wang Shum Ho 4 legged stool experiment was first done in the Chinese Cultural Revolution era. If you put a bowl of water on a smooth floor and then place a stool on top of it, and then have four people place their index finger on a leg the bowl will begin to rotate.
Each person must walk in a circle while keeping a finger on the leg. Now supposedly if young people are used to do this and can run fast enough then possibly one or more may become elevated like a figure skater. What that means I'm not sure, but sounds like antigravity.
 
For some reason the line from "Rocket Man" keeps coming into my mind. "And all this science I don't understand. It's just my job five days a week." I used to feel pretty stupid for not being able to wrap my head around scientific or math concepts. But the truth is I can wrap my heart around truth. I read or hear something and the whole concept comes to me in a way I can use or understand but not explain. Guess it's just my lot in life, though I keep trying.

I worked with scientists for about five years. Most are very linear thinkers. I remember the day I was walking around campus, full of world class scientists and the realization hit me "Why I'm smarter than they are." Because my thinking is more analogous.

I have this 100 year old book called "The Book of Knowledge" which was really written for kids. There is one section that explains the keys of the piano and the notes in a very simplistic way, naming them fairies and goblins. Inspiration just hit me when I saw those simple pages and explanations. Sometimes, all these complex explanations make my head reel, when I honestly believe the truth is very, very simple and inspired and sometimes we just explain ourselves into oblivion.

Didn't mean to sound offputting. I have so much respect for people who can grasp these very complex subjects AND explain them. However, I still think nothing beats inspiration.
 
Keit said:
MusicMan said:
Hello Villival, obviously this question had languished for nearly ten years because no one has any experience with the topic, or enough to begin the discussion.

Actually, Alexander Putney was mentioned on the forum several times in the past. This thread is one example. You can read others by searching.

It's this quote that i wanted to mean by"the line of Keit".
I think in dwelling "open" you can resonate with a lot people of the forum. :)
 
Zak, I think you mean to just be open and honest? If that's not it, please let me know. It's how I live and breathe, for good or for ill, but the intent is good.
 
Villival said:
Zak, I think you mean to just be open and honest? If that's not it, please let me know. It's how I live and breathe, for good or for ill, but the intent is good.
Yes, it seems pretty simple. :)
 
gambeir said:
Hmm...

I don't put any serious faith in supposed conventional science. I certainly wouldn't be looking to NASA for answers, or any other officially sanctioned source of supposedly officially proclaimed experts. When one of these people can explain and demonstrate the levitation of stones like Edward Leedskalnin then I will think about paying attention. That will be a day worth taking note of for all humanity I should think.

Explain to me how a man with a 4Th grade education can do what they themselves combined cannot? See they don't understand Universe at all, and they have almost no tangible evidence to prove they do, and certainly nothing of value since the Wright Brothers, who themselves were bicycle mechanics, so they can't even claim credit for flight! At any rate...I digress, but the point is I would take everything conventional science says with a strong dose of salt. Listening to how these people explain Universe is like listening to a flim flam man.

Good points, I think. And there's the additional factor that what children are being taught in school is standardized, so we're not likely to find but one model for the solar system (for example) being taught and tested on because that's the model the textbook publishers got the approval of the PC censors (the officially sanctioned source) to publish and sell to the school systems.

As to how someone with a 4th grade education can do what a slew of Ph.D's in a given field cannot do, that's an easy one. Those professionals that don't understand the roots of their science cannot reduce their theories to first principles to find their assumptions and question their own questions. From that, it follows that they can only accept current thinking, which, if wrong, only distributes their errors throughout the more complicated theoretical constructs they continue to build over time. Even when their ability to get the right answer becomes a bit more rare over time, they don't go back to their roots. They tend to prefer adding more complex constructs made of fudge. My opinion.

gambeir said:
As an example;

What we do now know, thanks to some daring and brave people, is that the Sun is most likely molten hydrogen, and it's sonolumience is a product of the cometary pathway it ploughs through space with the rest of our solar system in tow. It' been ploughing into a plasma field of magnetic energy and this is what has so greatly effected our ecosystem. Worthy of note is that the primary artifacts ejected by the Sun are infact actually Hydrogen and Oxygen.

The Earth never goes behind the sun, which is a complete impossibility as the Sun itself is pushing a bow wave of electromagnetic plasma in front of it, compacting the forward leading edge and making that kind of orbit as idiotic as it is illogical to conceive, yet this is what they teach today. It is a model of our Solar System which is 500 years old and a lie.

Well, if we metaphorically equate "true" with a cup of "tea", then we might say with Authur Dent, that it's "almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea." And we probably should say that since, just like Dent, one of our primary goals is to thwart the machine and find some decent tea!

With respect to the various well-known solar system models, each has its uses. For example, the Geocentric model has fallen into disrepute, yet if you want to find a particular planet in the sky, you'll use Geocentric coordinates. Then, if you want to send a space probe there, you'll use Heliocentric math.

gambeir said:
Commons sense should prevail with even the slightest examination of the facts. We are not sitting on a lazy Susan orbiting around the backside of the Sun and never have. It's impossible and stupid. Turn the lazy Susan on it's edge and now have the Sun in the center ploughing through space with the planets caught in a toroidal orbital pattern, each spinning upon it's own axis. No planet has crossed it's own pathway in billions of years, if ever, it's impossible. The claims that the Voyager Space Craft have exited the Suns protective sheath are complete nonsense since the Sun is itself moving around the Galactic center at speeds which would leave those vehicles sitting side. Everything we know about space is infact only known about the space inside the Suns protective sheath.

I presume you're referring to the solar vortex theory whose growing popularity seems due to DJ Sadhu's videos, a sample of which is linked below?

_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jHsq36_NTU


gambeir said:
What lies beyond that is completely unknown.

The problem often described as not having an external context to step into so we can see the system we're talking about as a whole which doesn't include us at that moment and the external context as an actual place with stuff in it.

gambeir said:
What you're likely talking about is very likely a consequence of the things I've mentioned, as well as other things largely unknown and unseen in the form of energies from space which the power that be are somewhat desperate to understand, but which they are incapable of understanding because they are themselves as insane as they are perverted. At any rate, I would think that humanity moving into a 4Th density would pertain to a change primarily interior to thought, after which we may come to see an actual physiological change. Perhaps another race.

Most likely I would think this change would be a thing which was known in the ancient record as blue and green skinned people. There is some cursory evidence to show this is happening to the gut/interior of some creatures, specifically a wild hog, and pigs are closest to humans I believe in some regards, so perhaps changes are happening at the physiological level and not just with people.

So, the blue or green-skinned people will be the good guys or bad guys?


gambeir said:
Anyways...blathering away here an all, but I sort of get a sense of what you're seeking, but our understanding of how the mind body works is so woefully primitive that it's like trying to figure out how the body works by making analogies to hydraulics and plumbing as was done in a previous age.

Well said, I think. That period in civilization often called industrialization marks an important change in the written works of those philosophers and leaders who influence the thinking of the rest of us, and get to pass their work down to us through the public education system. This change in civilization produced the currently-in-vogue metaphor of "machine" according to a very useful method of philosophical analysis introduced by R.G.Collingwood. R.G.'s work makes a lot of sense out of historical progression in its relation to the evolution of philosophical thought and he is very good at distinguishing and identifying historical and natural contexts from which new ways of thinking emerge. Again, just my opinion.

gambeir said:
I hope that makes some sense. I think it's fine to examine these things and ask detailed questions, but fundamentally the issue is one of philosophy in how one see's their place in reality and if it's one of simple chemical matter composition then I think the solution to the goal of immortality, which is the main theme in the 4Th density concept, becomes a kind of impossible objective.

Whereas, if one see's that 4Th density as a kind of product of forces which can be enhanced with thought and action then the processes by which these changes happen are immaterial to the outcome.

I think 4th density has most recently been clarified as referring to consciousness, itself, but I do think gambeir got point. "fundamentally the issue is one of philosophy in how one see's their place in reality" is a good point as well as the issue of understanding starting assumptions. Without the attempt at identifying such assumptions, one may only see the reasonable-sounding inner logic of a case and become a subscriber/believer in something which will just make yet another hole to have to dig oneself out of in the near future. Even so, it will at least give one a view of their place in reality.

gambeir said:
Well I wrote all this foolscap so I guess I'll post it.

Delightful, thanks!

gambeir said:
The point is humans are connected with Universe to begin with. Here's an example.
The Wang Shum Ho 4 legged stool experiment was first done in the Chinese Cultural Revolution era. If you put a bowl of water on a smooth floor and then place a stool on top of it, and then have four people place their index finger on a leg the bowl will begin to rotate.
Each person must walk in a circle while keeping a finger on the leg. Now supposedly if young people are used to do this and can run fast enough then possibly one or more may become elevated like a figure skater. What that means I'm not sure, but sounds like antigravity.

I've both, read and heard stories of something like that! I don't think it was about anti-gravity so much as about combining certain motions that allowed an individual to lean closer to the ground before falling. Some children can observably do that while playing whirly copter. They hold their arms straight out at 90 degree angle from the body and they spin themselves in such a way that their arms make circles in diagonal planes with respect to the ground, while walking around in a circle at differing speeds. That's obviously not the same situation as the Chinese example, but it does remind me that children and some youth often seem to show ability or capacity unconstrained by adult notions of what's possible or not.

With respect to the original topic title, 4th Density in a Bottle, I also would like to see more information and detail involved in those thoughts, so I'm also interested in exploring this or at least keeping an eye on the thread.

I certainly have no problem with what Villival has shared on this thread up to this point. I've always known New Orleans was a special cultural climate that invigorates some people and "scrambled" can be good or bad for the brain, depending on what's being defined as "unscrambled." Be that as it may, there's also Austin Texas and maybe the Montrose neighborhood of Houston as areas of delightful "weirdness" and much less of the typical zombification.

I'm pretty sure one of these mentioned areas will be my next vacation destination. :)

Thanks to all the contributors who reactivated this thread to date!
 
The brain scrambling remark was a very, very primitive way of me explaining some of what I have come to know. It certainly is simplistic and I know many, many people who "fell by the wayside" so to speak, because of the brain scrambling. I have also read voraciously, seen and danced to tons of music, worked very hard physically and mentally for years in jobs and sought to understand God and the meaning of it all. I've also had a fair amount of loss in my life that was quite "shocking" to my system. I had an incredible amount of help from God but I give myself credit for refusing to be negative about it all in the end. I guess I just saw the bigger picture. Losing my son forced me to stop fence sitting with God. I either believed or I didn't. If I did, then I had to accept all that came my way, not just the "good" stuff.

Speaking of the stool and the bowl of water reminded me of something we did as kids at a slumber party and I had kind of forgotten about it. It was my idea as I recall, but don't recall why I thought this would work, which it did. We would have one person lay on the ground while the rest of us would put two fingers on each hand under the body, concentrating on the person lifting and I'll be darned if it didn't work every time. The person would literally float above our fingers. We believed it possible and it was.

Gambier made an interesting remark about perception of reality and it being fundamental to changes in our reality. I decided to flip reality when I lost my jobs and just stay in the moment. Almost immediately, reality flipped and it hasn't been the same since. I have Joseph Campbell to thank for that bit of inspiration. Hilariously, when it did flip, no one was more surprised than me. You know the old adage, "be careful what you wish for".
 

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