5th Density

[Bosphorus1982]

I've read both Ra and Cassiopaea materials. Both are informative and well-explaining. Anyway, by comparing two, something has drawn my attention. Ra material describes Beyond Death as Time/space whereas Cassiopaeans call this as 5D. I don't understand why they name it as 5D. As in Ra material and still in some C's parts, 5D realm is actually kind of material realm where you gain wisdom throughout incarnations. I'd be happy if you could explain. Thanks

 

[seek10]

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[Persej]

I don't understand why they name it as 5D. As in Ra material and still in some C's parts, 5D realm is actually kind of material realm where you gain wisdom throughout incarnations. I'd be happy if you could explain. Thanks

According to the C's, the 3D is a material realm where you gain wisdom throughout incarnations. 5D is a non material realm where you spend your time between incarnations. They name it 5D because it is the 5th level of existence in the universe.

 

[Bosphorus1982]

According to the C's, the 3D is a material realm where you gain wisdom throughout incarnations. 5D is a non material realm where you spend your time between incarnations. They name it 5D because it is the 5th level of existence in the universe.

I find this confusing. I'm trusting Ra material in this matter

 

[Michael B-C]

I find this confusing. I'm trusting Ra material in this matter

Hi Bosphorus1982. You seem very keen to tie matters down to simplistic, cut and dried language/definitions by insisting on a preference of one over the other, instead of seeing them both as merely tools to work with to gain greater understanding. I see no contradiction between the RA and C's use of (what is after all) limiting human language. The C's have suggested that awareness (as a vibration, a frequency) is paramount throughout the Universe and this vibrational wavelength leads to different densities of being. We are in 3rd density of vibration, the dead are in 5th - because that is the vibration that fits with their state. 5th may be partially perceived as 'material' - whatever that means in objective reality terms - by those who are there perhaps for the comfort of those who pass there but it is in effect a non-material realm closer to 6th (pure thought-form) than to 4th (partially material and partially thought form).

We cannot imagine what it is like to be in 2nd or 1st - we can try - but in effect we are 3rd density to our very marrow, and so it is beyond our comprehension to imagine what it is to be a rock or a bird or an insect or a bacterium. So it is when we look 'up' - 4th and 5th are simply beyond our capabilities to know. But we can get an idea, an impression and the words of both Ra and C's give us opportunities to sense that. Deciding one is right and the other wrong smacks of an STS demand to have black and white answers for lessons that have yet to come in a different class, even a different school.

Just for a moment imagine yourself talking to an ant and patiently, over so much time and space, expending your energy trying to communicate and inform it about what its like to be in 3rd density - never blaming its slow uptake and indifference, never sulking, never ceasing to give and give and give exactly what it is the ant needs to grow into something that has the potential to grasp and so inhabit 3rd density. Imagine that act of grace. And now maybe think about the ingratitude of demanding an answer that is just that - a black and white line of text with no comprehension or sense of being or subtle understanding attached to it. The C's and the RA material are you - you are the Work not them. You have to make the leap of understanding not them. It's you and me - the ants - they are/have offered this chance to. Maybe we should be humble enough to bend some way outside ourselves and our comfort in accordance?

 

[youlik]

Потрясающе, Michael Barker Caven. Целиком разделяю подобный подход, однако, может быть в качестве шутки, приведу цифры на память. С's в свое время конкретно ответили на вопрос о проценте правды, причем в сравнении как раз с Ра. Если мне не изменяет память у C's процент был в районе 70, у Ра- в районе 50. Это конечно не достаточно черно-белое, но где то уже рядом.

Translation
Awesome, Michael Barker Caven. I fully share this approach, but maybe as a joke , I will give you the numbers for memory. C s at the time specifically answered the question about the percentage of truth, and in comparison with RA. If I remember correctly, C's percentage was around 70, and RA's was around 50. This of course is not enough black and white, but somewhere already nearby.

 

[Kay Kim]

I found some of informations about 5th density.

January 13, 1996

Q: (P) Next question: How does one determine if they are channeling a 3rd density dead dude, or a higher density being?

A: Corrections and clarifications needed: "Dead Dudes" are 5th density beings. Either they are stuck in 3rd density, or they are communicating from 5th density, not 3rd density!! They are not 3rd density! 1st density includes all physical matter below the level of consciousness. 6th density is uniform in the level pattern of lightness, as there is complete balance on this density level, and the lightness is represented as knowledge. 7th density is union with the one... it is timeless in every sense of the word, as its "essence" radiates through all that exists in all possible awareness realms. The light one sees at the termination of each conscious physical manifestation is the union, itself. Remember, 4th density is the first that includes variable physicality!! Ponder this carefully!!! And, remember, there is only one "God," and that the creator includes all that is created and vice versa!

June 22, 1996

Q: (L) Tonight, I would like to ask about 5th density. How does the "dividing line" between the 4 physical densities and 5th function?

A: Recycling zone, one must have direct contact in perfect balance with those on 6th density in order to fulfill the need for contemplation/ learning phase while in between incarnations of 1st through 4th densities.

Q: (L) When a person finishes all their experiences on 1st through 4th density, do they then remain at 5th for a period before to moving to 6th.

A: Yes.

Q: (L) When you die in 3rd and go to 5th, do you pass through or see 4th?

A: No.

Q: (L) When you are in 5th density, is part of your service to be a guide? Are there two kinds of beings on 5th: those who are there for the recycling, and those whose level it simply IS?

A: No. All are as one in timeless understanding of all there is.

Q: (L) If, at 5th density a person has timeless understanding, what is it about them that determines that they will "recycle" as opposed to moving to 6th from 5th?

A: Contemplation reveals needed destiny.

Q: (L) So, being united with other beings on 5th, you come to some sort of understanding about your lessons....

A: Balanced. And this, my dear, is another example of gravity as the binder of all creation... "The Great Equalizer!"

Session Date: October 20th 2018

Q: (L) Today is the 20th of October 2018. [Review of those present] Hello, is anybody out there?

A: 5D calling

Q: (L) What does that mean?

A: Chloe wishes to speak? Her passing was sooner than she wanted.

Q: (L) Well, I had the thought she had passed because that was probably when she wanted to go. Don't people usually pass when they want to go? Well...

A: Laura you know how stubborn I am.

Q: (L) Yes, and? What are you trying to say?

A: I refused to listen to your warnings because of simple jealousy.

Q: (L) What do you mean, "jealousy"?

A: I always joked about you being a "larger than life" personality. Behind the joke was jealousy that I did not have courage or convictions.

Q: (L) Well, I always thought you had convictions.

A: Shallow and held with stubbornness not courage. I am sorry I was not a better friend.

Q: (L) Well, I don't hold it against you - assuming it's you.

A: It is me!

Q: (L) Is there anything else you want to communicate?

A: Goodbye until we meet again. Goodbye.

Q: (L) Well, that was bizarre.

(Joe) Why?

(L) I mean, that's all she had to say?

(Pierre) It sounds like it was heavy on her heart, and she wanted to come clean about it and tell the truth.

(Joe) In those situations when you've talked to supposedly 5D people, do you ever think to ask them what their environment is like? Have you ever done that?

(L) I was just now thinking that I'd ask that until she decided to take off. Maybe she knew it was coming! [laughter]

(Joe) That's Top Secret!

(L) Alright. Hello? Is there anybody out there?

A: Good evening Cassiopaea calling.

Q: (L) So, was that really Chloe we were just chatting with?

A: Yes

Q: (L) Was that something that was heavy on her mind that she had to get off her chest?

A: Yes

Q: (L) I guess if she has anything to get off her chest to anybody else, she'll find a way. So, Joe was just saying why don't we ask people who talk to us from 5D what 5D is like. I was just thinking about asking that myself.

A: There are plenty of tomes with those details.