A gift for you all

[Chaitanya Krishna das]

Here's depository of books on many, many subjects, that are in pdf format and available to be downloaded absolutely free. A friend of mine gave me this link, and I give it to all of you because, while a lot of the authors and subjects are related to magick, there is a file of tons of books on Alchemy, and the Fourth Way file has ALL of Gurdjieff and Ouspensky's books. Enjoy!

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[mkrnhr]

Are ALL the books copyright-free?

 

[Nienna]

Are ALL the books copyright-free?

Not only are they copyright-free, but we discourage anyone from downloading books unless there is no way to buy them or they are way too pricey to afford. Instead of taking from these authors, it is good for people to give back to them for the energy they used to write the books, by buying them.

Just taking things without paying for them (unless otherwise, as noted above) is STS, we prefer an STO approach for giving energy (money) for the energy that was given.

 

[1peacelover]

Thank you very much.

 

[Chaitanya Krishna das]

Most, if not all, of the authors are dead. And what if the books are rare and very expensive (like some of the ones in these files) and people can't afford to buy them? Should they be denied access to that knowledge simply because they're poor? That's a pretty elitest and STS attitude. I always give freely to people, especially when, like this link, I received it for free.

 

[Arwenn]

Most, if not all, of the authors are dead. And what if the books are rare and very expensive (like some of the ones in these files) and people can't afford to buy them? Should they be denied access to that knowledge simply because they're poor? That's a pretty elitest and STS attitude. I always give freely to people, especially when, like this link, I received it for free.

Hey Chaitanya Krishna das,

This forum is a far cry from being elitist and/or having an STS attitude. Have you read Laura's work? I don't think that anyone here is suggesting that people be denied access to knowledge. What is being suggested here is an equal exchange of energy, so if one can't afford a book, it maybe that they borrow it from a library; or if they download it from the net, leaving positive reviews on Amazon for example to encourage others to buy it, might be an appropriate exchange of energy (until as such time as they can afford to buy it). I hope this helps, and I'm sure others will chime in to clarify our stance on this. As the C's say, there is no free lunch, and that goes for everything in life.

 

[Amy]

If the authors's purpose of writing the books to earn money , then it's right you have to give money as an exchange of energy.
If their purpose is for teaching and as STO's intention, then what you learn from their books will give most meaning for
their time and energy.
What is the use of the energy exchange when someone buy a book but don't read and don't learn anything from ... ?

I Mean it's not only money that can support the authors... it can be in other forms of support and exchange,
through fulfilling their purpose, through giving appreciation , gratitude , ... and in turn pay it forward to others ,
like circling things, to help for the ALL , the ALL will bring back the benefit for each individual...

There are many many ways of exchange and help,... I suggest we don't stuck in the 'money' matter.
And the fact is we should start getting rid of money usage, and pay it in form of sending direct energies
(I believe you know how to ) !

If We think money can be measured as energy, then we are supporting this backward money system
that has been controlling us.. .

I don't think in any advanced worlds that people use this kind of money paper as a 'appreciate' and 'thankfulness' like ours ...
They comprehend what they give away will finally come back to them in other forms that are always double trible
if it is truly spent efficiently !

 

[Chaitanya Krishna das]

If the authors's purpose of writing the books to earn money , then it's right you have to give money as an exchange of energy.
If their purpose is for teaching and as STO's intention, then what you learn from their books will give most meaning for
their time and energy.
What is the use of the energy exchange when someone buy a book but don't read and don't learn anything from ... ?

I Mean it's not only money that can support the authors... it can be in other forms of support and exchange,
through fulfilling their purpose, through giving appreciation , gratitude , ... and in turn pay it forward to others ,
like circling things, to help for the ALL , the ALL will bring back the benefit for each individual...

There are many many ways of exchange and help,... I suggest we don't stuck in the 'money' matter.
And the fact is we should start getting rid of money usage, and pay it in form of sending direct energies
(I believe you know how to ) !

If We think money can be measured as energy, then we are supporting this backward money system
that has been controlling us.. .

I don't think in any advanced worlds that people use this kind of money paper as a 'appreciate' and 'thankfulness' like ours ...
They comprehend what they give away will finally come back to them in other forms that are always double trible
if it is truly spent efficiently !

This is very true and eloquently worded!

Personally, I can't stand using a money system, I don't like dealing with money, and I certainly don't like how money has become God for a lot of people. I've been to places, like Rainbow Gatherings, where money is prohibited, and it was wonderful! You had to trade for things that you wanted or needed, and basic necessities like food and medicine were given away for free. That's what life should be like, in my opinion.

 

[Mal7]

In most countries copyright lasts for 50 years from the death of the author, or 75 years in some countries. So the works of an author who died less than 50 years ago will generally still be copyrighted.

An author can waive copyright on some or all of their work and allow it to be freely reproduced, but that is really up to them, not something for others to decide. It is the author's intellectual property, so just taking it is not all that different from borrowing their lawnmower without asking.

I was just thinking about the idea of a cashless society the other day. If we did live in a cashless society, it seems to me like the next useful evolutionary step forward for such a society would be the invention of money. For example, say you have grown plenty of pumpkins, and Pete down the road has grown a tonne of cucumbers, and he wants some of your pumpkins. Now sure you could trade pumpkins for cucumbers, but what if you dislike cucumbers, and what you really want are some strawberries from Jill round the corner? If Pete could just give you some token conventionally accepted within that society as representing value, but of no intrinsic material worth, then you could take that token round to Jill, who may have an aversion to both pumpkins and cucumbers, but be wanting some of Jackie's free-range eggs, and give Jill some of the token currency so you can get some strawberries, and she can get some eggs.

The alternative would be that everything is free and shared, but I think there must be a limit on the population size within which that would work. It is normal to share food for free within a family unit, but in larger groupings like a village, or a city, I think it would become exponentially more difficult to just have everything available free.

 

[Amy]

If the authors's purpose of writing the books to earn money , then it's right you have to give money as an exchange of energy.
If their purpose is for teaching and as STO's intention, then what you learn from their books will give most meaning for
their time and energy.
What is the use of the energy exchange when someone buy a book but don't read and don't learn anything from ... ?

I Mean it's not only money that can support the authors... it can be in other forms of support and exchange,
through fulfilling their purpose, through giving appreciation , gratitude , ... and in turn pay it forward to others ,
like circling things, to help for the ALL , the ALL will bring back the benefit for each individual...

There are many many ways of exchange and help,... I suggest we don't stuck in the 'money' matter.
And the fact is we should start getting rid of money usage, and pay it in form of sending direct energies
(I believe you know how to ) !

If We think money can be measured as energy, then we are supporting this backward money system
that has been controlling us.. .

I don't think in any advanced worlds that people use this kind of money paper as a 'appreciate' and 'thankfulness' like ours ...
They comprehend what they give away will finally come back to them in other forms that are always double trible
if it is truly spent efficiently !

This is very true and eloquently worded!

Personally, I can't stand using a money system, I don't like dealing with money, and I certainly don't like how money has become God for a lot of people. I've been to places, like Rainbow Gatherings, where money is prohibited, and it was wonderful! You had to trade for things that you wanted or needed, and basic necessities like food and medicine were given away for free. That's what life should be like, in my opinion.

Rainbow Gatherings ??? Wow !! Yesterday in my day dreaming state , I was imagining such a place
where people come to play and create things and exchange ....
where it prohibits those that come only to get served by money paper ...
where there are absolutely no such things as restaurants and shopping outlets
people just gather and do and cook and make all the things to share freely ,
where people don't come to work , to 'earn' , but just PLAY and PLAY !

People there see Playfulness and creativity is most efficient kind of 'Work' , which only to express their inner energies and abilities
instead of learning how to 'DUPLICATE' things for the sake of industrial definition of 'efficient'
that kills people's mind and heart so to produce more 'money paper' like this so called 'modern world' , with full of machine to duplicate
things, and making such destructive machines is called " science" !

True science support people's life expression , true science don't kill it !

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Lastly, thanks for the link and the gift.... there are so many many books there that only by reading their titles I was already excited !!!

Your wonderful.

 

[obyvatel]

Most, if not all, of the authors are dead.

What about the authors who are not dead?

[quote author=Chaitanya Krishna das]
And what if the books are rare and very expensive (like some of the ones in these files) and people can't afford to buy them?
[/quote]

Are they? Ouspensky and Gurdjieff books are available at pretty reasonable prices in regular book stores.

[quote author=Chaitanya Krishna das]
Should they be denied access to that knowledge simply because they're poor? That's a pretty elitest and STS attitude. I always give freely to people, especially when, like this link, I received it for free.
[/quote]

Best to give things that are yours to give.

 

[shijing]

If the authors's purpose of writing the books to earn money , then it's right you have to give money as an exchange of energy.
If their purpose is for teaching and as STO's intention, then what you learn from their books will give most meaning for
their time and energy.
What is the use of the energy exchange when someone buy a book but don't read and don't learn anything from ... ?

The problem is, you don't know what the author's purpose is -- and even if the primary purpose isn't to make money, it's still the common currency that is going to support them on a practical level. There's no way that you could know what their purpose is for sure, so in making an assumption about their purpose, you're doing just that -- making an assumption.

There are many many ways of exchange and help,... I suggest we don't stuck in the 'money' matter.
And the fact is we should start getting rid of money usage, and pay it in form of sending direct energies
(I believe you know how to ) !

As much as we may not like the current monetary system, we are unfortunately stuck in the 'money' matter since that is the way the day-to-day world operates, and to not recognize that is to engage in wishful thinking. We don't encourage 'sending energies' to anyone unless we know they're asking, but we do encourage supporting them through ordinary means. If you happen to write a book and are content with receiving energy instead of payment for it, that's of course your decision -- but assuming that other authors are OK with it is determining their needs, which is STS.

If We think money can be measured as energy, then we are supporting this backward money system
that has been controlling us.. .

See above.

I don't think in any advanced worlds that people use this kind of money paper as a 'appreciate' and 'thankfulness' like ours ...
They comprehend what they give away will finally come back to them in other forms that are always double trible
if it is truly spent efficiently !

Perhaps so -- again, we can't know for sure one way or the other. But we do know how things work in this world, and we have to act accordingly and take responsibility for our actions the best we can in light of that objective reality.

 

[Nancy2feathers]

In most countries copyright lasts for 50 years from the death of the author, or 75 years in some countries. So the works of an author who died less than 50 years ago will generally still be copyrighted.

An author can waive copyright on some or all of their work and allow it to be freely reproduced, but that is really up to them, not something for others to decide. It is the author's intellectual property, so just taking it is not all that different from borrowing their lawnmower without asking.

I was just thinking about the idea of a cashless society the other day. If we did live in a cashless society, it seems to me like the next useful evolutionary step forward for such a society would be the invention of money. For example, say you have grown plenty of pumpkins, and Pete down the road has grown a tonne of cucumbers, and he wants some of your pumpkins. Now sure you could trade pumpkins for cucumbers, but what if you dislike cucumbers, and what you really want are some strawberries from Jill round the corner? If Pete could just give you some token conventionally accepted within that society as representing value, but of no intrinsic material worth, then you could take that token round to Jill, who may have an aversion to both pumpkins and cucumbers, but be wanting some of Jackie's free-range eggs, and give Jill some of the token currency so you can get some strawberries, and she can get some eggs.

The alternative would be that everything is free and shared, but I think there must be a limit on the population size within which that would work. It is normal to share for free within a family unit, but in larger groupings like a village, or a city, I think it would become exponentially more difficult to just have everything available free.

There`s been many times over the years when I exchanged services with my customers. I groomed their dogs in exchange for business calendars, help with gardening, building outdoor structures, indoor electrical wiring, silver and turquoise jewelry, massages and many more. It IS a great feeling when there`s no money involved. Just a hand shake and a smile. :)

 

[Amy]

In most countries copyright lasts for 50 years from the death of the author, or 75 years in some countries. So the works of an author who died less than 50 years ago will generally still be copyrighted.

An author can waive copyright on some or all of their work and allow it to be freely reproduced, but that is really up to them, not something for others to decide. It is the author's intellectual property, so just taking it is not all that different from borrowing their lawnmower without asking.

I was just thinking about the idea of a cashless society the other day. If we did live in a cashless society, it seems to me like the next useful evolutionary step forward for such a society would be the invention of money. For example, say you have grown plenty of pumpkins, and Pete down the road has grown a tonne of cucumbers, and he wants some of your pumpkins. Now sure you could trade pumpkins for cucumbers, but what if you dislike cucumbers, and what you really want are some strawberries from Jill round the corner? If Pete could just give you some token conventionally accepted within that society as representing value, but of no intrinsic material worth, then you could take that token round to Jill, who may have an aversion to both pumpkins and cucumbers, but be wanting some of Jackie's free-range eggs, and give Jill some of the token currency so you can get some strawberries, and she can get some eggs.

The alternative would be that everything is free and shared, but I think there must be a limit on the population size within which that would work. It is normal to share for free within a family unit, but in larger groupings like a village, or a city, I think it would become exponentially more difficult to just have everything available free.

There`s been many times over the years when I exchanged services with my customers. I groomed their dogs in exchange for business calendars, help with gardening, building outdoor structures, indoor electrical wiring, silver and turquoise jewelry, massages and many more. It IS a great feeling when there`s no money involved. Just a hand shake and a smile. :)

Yes, hand shake and smile , this 'energy' will spread, far far far beyond our comprehension,
and when it spread, it flowers everything on the way ....
it transforms all things ...

 

[Mal7]

I also like the idea of exchanging goods and services on a small local community level. Some of these schemes already involve the use of a local currency, or abstract exchange value. For example, in time-banking you get 1 hours credit for providing 1 hour of some kind of service, and can use that credit with another individual, e.g. for 1 hour's help from an accountant or a painter.

My point is that money as an abstract medium of exchange may not be all bad, but seems to me quite convenient. Money evolved from being actually worth what it could be traded for, when money had an intrinsic value, (e.g. a bag of gold coins), to being intrinsically worthless but accepted customarily as being able to purchase a certain quantity of goods or services (e.g. paper money or an electronic bank balance.) I think the evils of the world economic system come not just from that first level of abstraction, but from the further level where people start trading on derivatives and complex financial products that are at a second or third level of abstraction, and when the sums being passed from one broker to another are no longer equivalent to the physical amount of value in the world, but are a huge multiple of that, which will lead to a crash like the game of musical chairs where people have to find a chair to sit down on when the music stops.