A gift for you all

[Mal7]

There`s been many times over the years when I exchanged services with my customers. I groomed their dogs in exchange for business calendars, help with gardening, building outdoor structures, indoor electrical wiring, silver and turquoise jewelry, massages and many more. It IS a great feeling when there`s no money involved. Just a hand shake and a smile. :)

That sounds like it worked out very happily for everyone involved, including the dogs. But unfortunately I don't have a dog. :)

 

[hesperides]

Here's depository of books on many, many subjects, that are in pdf format and available to be downloaded absolutely free. A friend of mine gave me this link, and I give it to all of you because, while a lot of the authors and subjects are related to magick, there is a file of tons of books on Alchemy, and the Fourth Way file has ALL of Gurdjieff and Ouspensky's books. Enjoy!

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There is an interesting video that Dan Ariely, author of his book "The ´honest´ Truth About Dishonesty" is picturing in a somewhat hilarious way, that hits closely the topic we are discussing here. Interesting how he develops his idea about how our flexible cognitive abilities enables us to cheat and still think of ourselves as a good person and the impact of it on the whole society.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XBmJay_qdNc

 

[Nienna]

Most, if not all, of the authors are dead. And what if the books are rare and very expensive (like some of the ones in these files) and people can't afford to buy them? Should they be denied access to that knowledge simply because they're poor? That's a pretty elitest and STS attitude. I always give freely to people, especially when, like this link, I received it for free.

Did you read my entire post?

Not only are they copyright-free, but we discourage anyone from downloading books unless there is no way to buy them or they are way too pricey to afford. Instead of taking from these authors, it is good for people to give back to them for the energy they used to write the books, by buying them.

Just taking things without paying for them (unless otherwise, as noted above) is STS, we prefer an STO approach for giving energy (money) for the energy that was given.

Since I already stated what you are using as a defense for taking from others, I think that you are just deflecting attention off of yourself onto what you are saying I said, which has nothing to do with what I actually said.

While it's nice to imagine that giving these authors energy, I don't think that this is what they had in mind. As I said, for those who are poor and cannot afford expensive books, or they are hard to get, or unavailable, there is no other way. But, as has been said, sending energy to someone who has NOT asked for it is not giving, it is determining the needs of another.

What Nancy2feathers has done is great! But I don't see anyway of doing this with authors (or anyone else who is selling something) who are not in direct contact with us.

 

[Palinurus]

For those who want to know more, there already has been ample discussion of all pros and cons (9 pages) about this subject here: Good Website for Free Books.

Hope this helps a bit. :)

 

[Mr. Premise]

Chaitanya or 1peacelover,

Have you ever written a book? If so, how did you support yourself while writing it? Just because the goal of the writer is not to make money doesn't mean they don't need money to survive. And this free exchange can only work in face to face communities. It's not like you can steal a book off the internet and then walk over to the author's house and give her 2 dozen eggs or something.

 

[Amy]

Universal living library is free to access . Lets learn how to use our mind networking .
Every thought, every feeling , every experience from every being every where
is registered automatically energetically in the ether anyway , ...lets learn how to access this .

Lets learn how to be like the ancient teachers, they don't write books to sell, they offer information and teachings for FREE
if we come to them . Many modern so called writers with recycling skill of words and knowledge selling books to make a living
we don't need to buy at their price tags .

Ok , so that's my solutions. people have been heavily programmed to depend on this system , and how it works.
I don't think this works in long term... and they are going to find their 'practical' way stuck in a HOLE !

 

[Chaitanya Krishna das]

Universal living library is free to access . Lets learn how to use our mind networking .
Every thought, every feeling , every experience from every being every where
is registered automatically energetically in the ether anyway , ...lets learn how to access this .

Lets learn how to be like the ancient teachers, they don't write books to sell, they offer information and teachings for FREE
if we come to them . Many modern so called writers with recycling skill of words and knowledge selling books to make a living
we don't need to buy at their price tags .

Ok , so that's my solutions. people have been heavily programmed to depend on this system , and how it works.
I don't think this works in long term... and they are going to find their 'practical' way stuck in a HOLE !

I'm in complete agreement with you. And I am actually writing a book right now, and in the process of publishing it with my own money and I intend give it away for free to anyone who wants it. I'm also working on a website filled with all of my journals and the writings, research, and channeled information I've produced for the past 25 years so that anyone can freely take the knowledge that I've gained through endless labor, searching, and experience as a free gift to humanity. Playing into a corrupt system perpetuates that system. Someone, somewhere, sometime, has to break the cycle and begin doing things in a completely different manner. There IS such a thing as a "free lunch". In many ways, the Universe and certain otherworldly entities have given freely to me, and I am going to freely give it all away. If that seems foolish, if I come to end up living in a tent in the woods somewhere as a result, so be it. I'm quite content with anything, because true contentment and blissfulness comes from within, not from external things. I 100% believe in the teachings of the Bhagavad Gita, where Krishna says to Arjuna, "O son of Kunti, the nonpermanent appearance of happiness and distress, and their disappearance in due course, are like the appearance and disappearance of winter and summer seasons. They arise from sense perception, and one must learn to tolerate them without being disturbed...the person who is not disturbed by happiness and distress and is steady in both is certainly eligible for liberation."

Nitai Gaur Haribol!

 

[Mal7]

And I am actually writing a book right now, and in the process of publishing it with my own money and I intend give it away for free to anyone who wants it.

So you understand that it takes money to publish a book, but at the same time you are unapologetic about reducing the income streams of other authors by distributing their work for free?

The money that you will use to publish your book presumably has come to you from some other source than being an author. Have you considered that for other authors, money from sales of their books could be their main source of income?

 

[Chaitanya Krishna das]

And I am actually writing a book right now, and in the process of publishing it with my own money and I intend give it away for free to anyone who wants it.

So you understand that it takes money to publish a book, but at the same time you are unapologetic about reducing the income streams of other authors by distributing their work for free?

The money that you will use to publish your book presumably has come to you from some other source than being an author. Have you considered that for other authors, money from sales of their books could be their main source of income?

Yes I have. I will follow the example set by my beloved but very controversial Gurudev. See, other branches of the Gaudiya Vaishnava Sampradaya have their devotees go out and sell Srila Prabhupada's books on the streets all over the world for money. My Guru, who is a prolific writer and translator, gives everything he does and has devoted his entire life to away for free, online and in print, and has asked me to do the same for people. His way of doing things is sparking quite a revolution in his little corner of Vrindavana, India. He used to be a member of ISKCON, and was a top book distributor, but clearly saw how every single one of the scandals in that organization were caused by money. My entire life, I've witnessed the same thing just in general. So I am wholeheartedly behind giving away for free the fruits of all of my endevours.

 

[Mal7]

Could you expand a bit on the "Yes I have" part of your answer? The remaining part of your post seems to deal with your own personal choice to follow the example of someone who distributes their books for free. That is a fine and worthy thing to do, for those who have the means to do so, through income earned elsewhere or through donations from their followers or supporters. But my question was not so much about what you as an author are able to do, but about putting yourself in the place of an author whose basic living expenses perhaps, let alone any extra money for the publication of more books, might come from the sale of the texts they have written. Do you think you it is ethical for you to distribute free electronic versions of works by living authors without their permission?

 

[Mal7]

He used to be a member of ISKCON, and was a top book distributor, but clearly saw how every single one of the scandals in that organization were caused by money.

That reminds me of how the pro-gun lobbyists like to say "Guns don't kill people. People kill people."

I am not sure how true that is, but to some degree I think something similar could be said about money.

 

[Arwenn]

I'm in complete agreement with you. And I am actually writing a book right now, and in the process of publishing it with my own money and I intend give it away for free to anyone who wants it. I'm also working on a website filled with all of my journals and the writings, research, and channeled information I've produced for the past 25 years so that anyone can freely take the knowledge that I've gained through endless labor, searching, and experience as a free gift to humanity. Playing into a corrupt system perpetuates that system. Someone, somewhere, sometime, has to break the cycle and begin doing things in a completely different manner. There IS such a thing as a "free lunch".

I think you walked into the wrong bar. It also sounds like you are trying to be like someone else we know...

In many ways, the Universe and certain otherworldly entities have given freely to me, and I am going to freely give it all away.

What other worldly entities are you referring to? What feedback mechanisms have you used to ensure the quality of the channel that you have grooved? How do you know that they aren't playing you! Giving because it feeds your False (ego driven) self is entropic, to give when you are asked and genuinely so, is quite another thing.

If that seems foolish, if I come to end up living in a tent in the woods somewhere as a result, so be it.

If that's all that happens to you as a result of dabbling with spirits and discarnate entities, I'd consider yourself very lucky.

I'm quite content with anything, because true contentment and blissfulness comes from within, not from external things. I 100% believe in the teachings of the Bhagavad Gita, where Krishna says to Arjuna, "O son of Kunti, the nonpermanent appearance of happiness and distress, and their disappearance in due course, are like the appearance and disappearance of winter and summer seasons. They arise from sense perception, and one must learn to tolerate them without being disturbed...the person who is not disturbed by happiness and distress and is steady in both is certainly eligible for liberation."

Why are you here if you 100% believe in some religious text?

Nitai Gaur Haribol!

I have no idea what the last three words of your post mean :)

 

[Chaitanya Krishna das]

I'm in complete agreement with you. And I am actually writing a book right now, and in the process of publishing it with my own money and I intend give it away for free to anyone who wants it. I'm also working on a website filled with all of my journals and the writings, research, and channeled information I've produced for the past 25 years so that anyone can freely take the knowledge that I've gained through endless labor, searching, and experience as a free gift to humanity. Playing into a corrupt system perpetuates that system. Someone, somewhere, sometime, has to break the cycle and begin doing things in a completely different manner. There IS such a thing as a "free lunch".

I think you walked into the wrong bar. It also sounds like you are trying to be like someone else we know...

In many ways, the Universe and certain otherworldly entities have given freely to me, and I am going to freely give it all away.

What other worldly entities are you referring to? What feedback mechanisms have you used to ensure the quality of the channel that you have grooved? How do you know that they aren't playing you! Giving because it feeds your False (ego driven) self is entropic, to give when you are asked and genuinely so, is quite another thing.

If that seems foolish, if I come to end up living in a tent in the woods somewhere as a result, so be it.

If that's all that happens to you as a result of dabbling with spirits and discarnate entities, I'd consider yourself very lucky.

I'm quite content with anything, because true contentment and blissfulness comes from within, not from external things. I 100% believe in the teachings of the Bhagavad Gita, where Krishna says to Arjuna, "O son of Kunti, the nonpermanent appearance of happiness and distress, and their disappearance in due course, are like the appearance and disappearance of winter and summer seasons. They arise from sense perception, and one must learn to tolerate them without being disturbed...the person who is not disturbed by happiness and distress and is steady in both is certainly eligible for liberation."

Why are you here if you 100% believe in some religious text?

Nitai Gaur Haribol!

I have no idea what the last three words of your post mean :)

I will answer all of these questions in order. #1-Who is this "person you know" that you think I'm trying to be like? I cannot respond to this unless I know what you're talking about. I am not "trying to be like" anyone, except maybe in some ways my Gurudev, Bhaktiratna Sadhu Swami Gaurangapada. We are each unique beings, and should be respected as such.

#2--The entities I speak of have been various over the years. Many years ago, it was entities claiming to be certain Egyptian Gods. Back then I had no idea what I had gotten myself into, and was being manipulated like a puppet by this particular group of entities. After a string of very unfortunate incidents and negative synchronicities, I broke off that contact and took to studying anything and everything I could find on a very large variety of subjects for 7 years because I assessed that my past problems were a result of too limited of a range of knowledge, even though the extent of my knowledge and experiences at that time (late 90's-early 2000's) was far more extensive and wide ranging than pretty much anyone I came into contact with back then. So after 7 years of being a hermit and even more intense and well-rounded studies (at the very end of this time period, in 2012, I happened upon Laura's writings which I had never heard of to that point), I felt confident enough to reach out into the world again. This is when I met my Gurudev, got initiated, and began putting into practice a more focused and less naive magickal working that is a distillation of everything I've learned to this point in my life. I utilize a system of checks and balances to assess any channeled teachings that I receive now that is commonly used in the Sampradaya I was initiated into, which is guru, shastra, sadhu, only I expand upon it quite a bit. If what I channel disagrees with my Guru's opinion, the vast array of books that I personally consider to be "Divinely inspired", and the opinions of those who I value as true sages of extraordinary wisdom (which is a wide variety of people from many, many different paths), then it is discarded.

#3--To dismiss the Bhagavad Gita as "some religious text" without even knowing it's contents and philosophy is, in my opinion, close-minded. Wisdom from any source whatsoever I do not believe should be dismissed or discarded until a very thorough understanding of it is gained in light of its own tradition and compared and contrasted to every other bit of knowledge one has learned through others and through personal experience.

#4-the words "Nitai Gaur Haribol" are Sanskrit and can be interpretively translated as "chant the Holy Names and be happy", which is simply how I have been taught to close definitive statements that I make.

Perhaps I did walk into the wrong bar, because after many months now of having pretty much any post I make or opinion I give deleted, I'm not going to be returning here. This forum has taught me a lot, and I truly mean no disrespect to the Work you are doing here. It just seems like unless I 100% "religiously" believe what the C's say is the "Gospel Truth", then my opinions are deleted, which, no offense, is extremely elitest and close-minded. I wish you all the best on your path, and will now bow out of posting here anymore. Nitai Gaur Haribol!

 

[1peacelover]

Chaitanya or 1peacelover,

Have you ever written a book? If so, how did you support yourself while writing it? Just because the goal of the writer is not to make money doesn't mean they don't need money to survive. And this free exchange can only work in face to face communities. It's not like you can steal a book off the internet and then walk over to the author's house and give her 2 dozen eggs or something.

As for myself, seeking knowledge is a life learning journey, whether we agree with the content is another story. This allows comparison of information known or to pique the interest of things unknown. Reading from an objective standpoint helps to determine whether the info should be considered, added and applied to what one already knows or thrown out based on investigation of the subject matter.

I have never written an book, but many stories that could probably be included in a book. I have written things without intent for monetary compensation, but because the information was necessary or needed. Compensation came without asking for it. I guess it depends on one's perspective.

The book or information is for donation, sale or for barter, then that's what I've done.

 

[Arwenn]

I will answer all of these questions in order. #1-Who is this "person you know" that you think I'm trying to be like? I cannot respond to this unless I know what you're talking about. I am not "trying to be like" anyone, except maybe in some ways my Gurudev, Bhaktiratna Sadhu Swami Gaurangapada. We are each unique beings, and should be respected as such.

#2--The entities I speak of have been various over the years. Many years ago, it was entities claiming to be certain Egyptian Gods. Back then I had no idea what I had gotten myself into, and was being manipulated like a puppet by this particular group of entities. After a string of very unfortunate incidents and negative synchronicities, I broke off that contact and took to studying anything and everything I could find on a very large variety of subjects for 7 years because I assessed that my past problems were a result of too limited of a range of knowledge, even though the extent of my knowledge and experiences at that time (late 90's-early 2000's) was far more extensive and wide ranging than pretty much anyone I came into contact with back then. So after 7 years of being a hermit and even more intense and well-rounded studies (at the very end of this time period, in 2012, I happened upon Laura's writings which I had never heard of to that point), I felt confident enough to reach out into the world again. This is when I met my Gurudev, got initiated, and began putting into practice a more focused and less naive magickal working that is a distillation of everything I've learned to this point in my life. I utilize a system of checks and balances to assess any channeled teachings that I receive now that is commonly used in the Sampradaya I was initiated into, which is guru, shastra, sadhu, only I expand upon it quite a bit. If what I channel disagrees with my Guru's opinion, the vast array of books that I personally consider to be "Divinely inspired", and the opinions of those who I value as true sages of extraordinary wisdom (which is a wide variety of people from many, many different paths), then it is discarded.

#3--To dismiss the Bhagavad Gita as "some religious text" without even knowing it's contents and philosophy is, in my opinion, close-minded. Wisdom from any source whatsoever I do not believe should be dismissed or discarded until a very thorough understanding of it is gained in light of its own tradition and compared and contrasted to every other bit of knowledge one has learned through others and through personal experience.

#4-the words "Nitai Gaur Haribol" are Sanskrit and can be interpretively translated as "chant the Holy Names and be happy", which is simply how I have been taught to close definitive statements that I make.

Perhaps I did walk into the wrong bar, because after many months now of having pretty much any post I make or opinion I give deleted, I'm not going to be returning here. This forum has taught me a lot, and I truly mean no disrespect to the Work you are doing here. It just seems like unless I 100% "religiously" believe what the C's say is the "Gospel Truth", then my opinions are deleted, which, no offense, is extremely elitest and close-minded. I wish you all the best on your path, and will now bow out of posting here anymore. Nitai Gaur Haribol!

Hi Chaitanya Krishna das,

It seemed to me that you were trying to emulate Laura, because that is pretty much what she has done here. There is a treasure trove of information here on Channeling, Spirit release therapy etc., which may be good reading for you. For all you know you may still have some entities attached who could be driving you, totally unbeknownst to you. You say

If what I channel disagrees with my Guru's opinion, the vast array of books that I personally consider to be "Divinely inspired", and the opinions of those who I value as true sages of extraordinary wisdom (which is a wide variety of people from many, many different paths), then it is discarded.

Opinions are not what drive this forum, it is data and research.

It just seems like unless I 100% "religiously" believe what the C's say is the "Gospel Truth", then my opinions are deleted, which, no offense, is extremely elitest and close-minded.

You have a disingenuous method of putting your words as something I have said . It was your words in your post above where you stated that you 100% believe in the Bhagwad Gita, I have not stated nor is it stated anywhere on this forum that we believe everything the Cs say- in fact if you have spent time reading you will see that what drives this network is 10% inspiration and 90% perspiration. It is your interpretation that I was being dismissive about the Bhagwad gita, and you never answered the question: If you 100% believe this text, why are you here?
As Nienna said in her post

I think that you are just deflecting attention off of yourself onto what you are saying I said, which has nothing to do with what I actually said.

I cannot comment on posts being deleted as I am not a mod, if they did, they'd have good reason to do so, and it is your choice to leave or stay.