A gift for you all

[Amy]

For a long time, we have been programmed to hate and to divide
so obviously we (everyone) thinks we must be on 'their own' !

as we have caved ourselves , compartmentalized ourselves ,
in shiny 'apartments' , in convenient 'cars' , talking with no one but the 'computers'
watching no one but the TVs , 'practical way' is obviously a 'no other way' thinking.

So it't 'normal' that everyone must think like this :
" there is no way and nothing to GIVE , when I have not tried to TAKE first ..."
" Oh ! sorry, nothing is free my friend! Oh ! I have to get something to live on , my dear! "
" Oh! I have suffered a lot to earn those . Oh! I have sacrificed so much ! "
" Oh that's life ... I want a 'fair' exchange for me "

And we go on blaming the psychopaths , as if they have such a Giant power , such BIG hand
to have led us this way....
Isn't it everyone choosing their own beliefs that how things should work for their life?
How can they control us , if no one accepts their controlling system
as a 'NORMAL' way of society ....


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I have read many researches/analyzes, I myself also experienced this:
that when there is no MONEY related
when everyone is so generous with each other,
the work is no longer to reach the 'schedule' , or to serve the 'quantity' demand

people will start to enjoy their work ;
ideas , creativity then become the main part for QUALITY life products...
corruption then has no chance to grow in their's mind...

Imagine we have a community , a network in which everyone serving each other
you will have free food, you will get free information , you will get free materials
that are shared by everyone, just by going around the street corner, or asking the neighbors
then there is nothing such as COST or 'Investment'

There wouldn't be Greed and Unfair things, when everything is free
if there no greed, then there is no manipulation and control ,
there is only TRUST and responsibility ...

We don't think it would work this way, because we have been programmed not to TRUST anyone
that the only place to trust is Government , Police , Law and Rules ,

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You see our society now, everyone goes on following the same life patterns
same thoughts, same behaviors , no questions no asking, as if life is made this way ,
I look around , the deeper I look I feel so meaningless about everything
that everyone is doing ; they are so 'busy' with their busi-ness ,
I wonder have every they asked themselves " Is this why I was born and live for "
" Does life really want me to be this way " .... ?


I was grown up in a large business family with lots of workers and machines
I even graduated as a business/trading bachelor myself
I even had my own trading company

I used to think if I earned a lot of money , then I could start HELPing family, friends, and people
who need me, I then could feel special, and everyone would appreciate me, ...


but when I look back what steps I needed to do to EARN the desired money/name,
first I have to train myself to program people's minds to love my things
I should do 'advertising' about my products,
I should create certain manipulation agenda of 'Trends' and 'Styles'
I should tell them how much they need me to make themselves special
even what I sell is a lot around already, but I still need to make them buy MORE
than what they need....
Oh I need to learn tricks, tactics, 'strategies' , ...I need to learn how to be cruel, how to step
on others' heads to grow, I have to compete, to win, oh I HAVE to , I MUST to ...

But will I be able to accept the same kinds of things coming back to me?
Will I accept things as how I create for others?
Will I agree this to happen to my family and my children?


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Ok , so information , lessons, teachings used to be free for everyone ,
the teachers used to be so respected and with so much power in a society
NO it's not because they were selling so many books and earning a lot of money !!!

When greed and corruptions appear, selfishness becomes 'normal'
people see their stuff is so 'worthy' that it should be sold !
that their secrets / formulas are to make them the highest governors !

So now we have those psychopaths in control ! Who seeded Greed and Corruption?
Who attracted these kinds of energies into Earth? Who created ambition
if it's not from grandparents to parents to children , to grandchildren, ...


If you want to change the world , first change yourself,
and the way you treat people !


Laura's words , the Cs' words about exchanging energy I have indeed read,
and I believe some of you think it's the only way ,
You think I am loving those free books
and Laura's works/ books as well should be free
and you go on defending, reacting ...


Firstly I don't read those books yet, I don't depend on them to learn life
I am only supporting FREELY sharing and FREELY networking
Some of you guys have been trying to eliminate many that are not with same beliefs
yet you think you are doing 'networking' here...
you have been judging and defending ,...NO THIS IS NOT HOW A NETWORK IS BUILT
NO, this is not of Laura's and the Cs' intentions !


Secondly, you see most of books these days, it's not of original ideas or thoughts from experiences
it is mostly of duplicating works;
reading , researching from other books, in which were of other other other books ,

Also it's kind of writers writing for the sake of 'I believe in A , so I am writing how it is better to have A then B '
They unconsciously create conflicts between the group of people who believe in A
versus the others who believe in B ,
After a certain period of time, the tensions between go up and up , then we have wars and separations !
Normal people who don't believe neither A nor B, why should they buy those books as an 'energy exchange' ???
As their so called ' life solutions /wisdom' is to get rid of their 'enemies' who don't believe the same things as they do!!!
But their followers obviously think their writers are to be with fair 'energy exchanges' ???


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[mkrnhr]

It's very simple: authors and their families need to eat, to live in a house, to pay bills etc. They are not some superhuman beings. They put efforts to their research and writing and more often it costs them money too. The least one can do to support and to thank them is to buy their books.

 

[obyvatel]

[quote author=Amy]
Some of you guys have been trying to eliminate many that are not with same beliefs
yet you think you are doing 'networking' here...
you have been judging and defending ,...NO THIS IS NOT HOW A NETWORK IS BUILT
NO, this is not of Laura's and the Cs' intentions !
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Since Laura is present here and this is her forum, I am sure she will step in when her intentions are not being followed.

Amy, have you built a network yet? Have you worked with people as they are today, here, in 3D earth, and applied the principles which you so passionately espouse, consistently over a sustained period of time? If you have done so, please share your results and we can learn.

In the absence of practical data, I would consider your post to contain a lot of projection which is typical of new agey utopian thinking.

 

[Alada]

Firstly I don't read those books yet, I don't depend on them to learn life
I am only supporting FREELY sharing and FREELY networking
Some of you guys have been trying to eliminate many that are not with same beliefs
yet you think you are doing 'networking' here...
you have been judging and defending ,...NO THIS IS NOT HOW A NETWORK IS BUILT
NO, this is not of Laura's and the Cs' intentions !

Secondly, you see most of books these days, it's not of original ideas or thoughts from experiences
it is mostly of duplicating works;
reading , researching from other books, in which were of other other other books ,

Well I have come to look at discussions in here the following way, which has helped me greatly. First I should say that I might be wrong, for as you kind of point out above, what I actually know that is not borrowed/stolen from the books/words/thoughts of others is virtually nil. But, I can learn, and one thing that I think can help me to do so is to always remember this:

Discussions on the forum are very much akin to our sitting around Laura and Ark’s kitchen table, as guests in their house. How I behave, what I say, the way I communicate with others, should reflect this. And, given the fact that this is not my house, that I am a guest (and as you point out above, given that I know virtually nothing that is truly my own), I will try my best to be sensible, to be attentive, to listen, hopefully to learn something and so to be able to pass that along and share it with others in turn.

Now, imagine that you are sat around the very same kitchen table and a stranger bursts through the door unannounced and makes a nuisance of themselves, shouting and throwing their muddy boots into the corner. Or some other guest falls a little ‘under the influence’ and takes leave of their senses. How should our hosts behave then? Should they just allow it to continue, to disrupt the flow of discussion that others were already sharing around the table? What should be done? Or, if the hosts have temporarily left the room, what should be done then by the others? Put yourself in their shoes.

It’s interesting to note that after decades of teaching, after hundreds of students and many, many methods explored as ways to help others work on themselves, Gurdjieff’s method for conveying the Work was based almost entirely on sharing meals around a table with others – and nothing else.

It can be an education to watch how we behave when guests at table, to see how we respond to the heat of a kitchen.

 

[SeekinTruth]

No one has the right to decide for OTHERS if they should give away their work for free or not. If you want to give away YOUR work, that's your right and decision/choice. The world we live in is the world we live in, and until REAL change is possible - and WORKED for - no amount of wishing/wishful thinking or believing this or that will change anything in any meaningful way.

The UNIVERSE works a certain way. We can learn quite a lot about HOW it works, if our approach, attitude, and methods are correct (and flexible to changes and new data). No matter what, though, there's NO free lunch, so to speak, and EVERYTHING has a price of some sort, not exclusively money; as has been said by Laura, and others, so often, if you think there's a free lunch in the Universe, YOU are lunch. Gurdjieff had lots of similar and interesting things to say about this too. Refusing to pay what one can/should in each situation reflects how much they value the thing that needs to be paid for. Much of the posted list that was removed was not of much value from my brief perusal, and most of what WAS of value, I already own - having paid for it.

Gurdjieff, as well as this network gave to those who WANTED to pay but couldn't, many things that others paid for. Most of Laura's work is available for free (online) AND is for sale. This shows that money is not the object, but a means to keep doing the work. And enough people understand this and pay for what they can to offset those who get things for free. But among those who get the freebies, there are those that really appreciate what they received and contribute in other valuable ways to balance the energy and circulate it. And those who give back, in the many different ways, and in doing so, balance the values given and received, show that they progress in the Work the most and improve their lives and the lives of those they interact with the most.

Those who only take or only WANT to take, no matter how they try to justify it with whatever rationalizations, will find out sooner or later that there really ISN'T any free lunch and you get from life what you give to life. All of life and the Universe seems to work this way, everything must be "paid for" somehow. We are given life, we have many responsibilities, we have obligations TO each other and TO Life to align with the way Life and the Universe work. Paying for things - in whatever way - i.e. balancing the exchange of energies, wasn't created by the pathological elite in any way. They just want to make people pay exorbitant prices for mostly useless/worthless things, monopolize those things and even useful/necessary/valuable things, and most of all to make everyone pay very HIGH prices for their own enslavement and destruction.

That is a far cry from the kind of reasonable principles being put forth hear. Life experience and everything learned, and practical common sense says that all must be paid for in some way or other, sooner or later. If this can't be agreed upon, then we'll have to agree to disagree. I can't see how anyone can seriously demand that someone else should give their work away for free. Just doesn't compute. Then there's the legal aspect where there can be repercussions to the network/group because of someone's thoughtless (or even intentional) posting of this kind of thing where others can try to come after the forum for copyright violations, etc. I would think ALL of this would be simple to understand, but so much meandering has already taken place, no matter what sensible reasons have been put forward for the stance. Don't know what else can be said....

 

[Amy]

This is interesting !

"Linking to free stuff is not piracy, EU rules"

http://on.rt.com/acx04q

 

[Arwenn]

Not quite, if you read the article in it's entirety:

The court noted, however, that if access to the original publications was restricted by the copyright holder, providing links that would allow circumventing that restriction would constitute an infringement.

And at the expense of , I'll just quote mkrnhr

It's very simple: authors and their families need to eat, to live in a house, to pay bills etc. They are not some superhuman beings. They put efforts to their research and writing and more often it costs them money too. The least one can do to support and to thank them is to buy their books.

 

[3DStudent]

I was wondering about a similar situation. What about the case of books that have lost their copyright? Like the ones at gutenberg.org? I have some bookmarks of ones I'd like to get and maybe print out. Old books like Aesop's Fables, Grimm's Fairy Tales, Flatland, Faust, Divine Comedy; even Fort's Book of the Damned.

The thing is, all of those books can be purchased at Amazon as new publications. What do you think about old out of copyright books being had for free? Is it the same as taking the money from a currently living author? I'm thinking about the energetic aspect and of there being no free lunch. Thoughts?

 

[Mal7]

I was wondering about a similar situation. What about the case of books that have lost their copyright? Like the ones at gutenberg.org? I have some bookmarks of ones I'd like to get and maybe print out. Old books like Aesop's Fables, Grimm's Fairy Tales, Flatland, Faust, Divine Comedy; even Fort's Book of the Damned.

The thing is, all of those books can be purchased at Amazon as new publications. What do you think about old out of copyright books being had for free? Is it the same as taking the money from a currently living author? I'm thinking about the energetic aspect and of there being no free lunch. Thoughts?

Once they are out of copyright I think they can be considered common cultural property. If you bought a copy on Amazon, your money isn't going to the author who has been dead for fifty years or more, it is going to the current publisher of the book. If you like that publisher's edition and want to buy it, that's fine. If you'd rather find a free electronic copy and download it and print it yourself, that is also fine. If there is some amazing out-of-copyright text that is not on Project Gutenberg, you could even scan and OCR it or type it out yourself and supply it to the Project Gutenberg site so other people are able to download it for free.

As far as an energy balance goes, I think dead authors would just like to think someone is still reading their books. They don't need money anymore. :)

 

[SeekinTruth]

I agree with Mal7. When the copyright has expired, the author had the chance to earn his living during the copyright period, and now it exists in the public domain with no restrictions on copying and distributing.

Also, Aesop's Fables is available for Kindle for free, along with Treasure Island and Pride and Prejudice, it came free when I downloaded Kindle reader for PC.

 

[Zadius Sky]

I agree with Mal7. When the copyright has expired, the author had the chance to earn his living during the copyright period, and now it exists in the public domain with no restrictions on copying and distributing.

There's a website that goes into this and it's updated every year:

_http://copyright.cornell.edu/resources/publicdomain.cfm

 

[3DStudent]

I agree with Mal7. When the copyright has expired, the author had the chance to earn his living during the copyright period, and now it exists in the public domain with no restrictions on copying and distributing.

Thanks for the clarification, that's kind of what I was thinking.

There's a website that goes into this and it's updated every year:

_http://copyright.cornell.edu/resources/publicdomain.cfm

Good to know. Although some of those years, like 2068, are funny considering it's Year 0. ;)