A Newbie Skeptic: Looking for Proof

[sarek]

The C's say that Jesus had pure faith that he would receive knowledge, so he received it. That's a pretty tall order; akin to jumping off a cliff with the "faith" that you'll be able to fly.

If I'm a kindergartener in this esoteric school, how do I determine if this school is the real deal and the right place to be?

This is indeed the key to the whole experience. It takes Faith, Hope and Love to be able to find the path. And yes, faith is one of those. Its that morsel of faith that says that our material world is not all there is out there, but that there is more to find.

 

[zhenqing]

The C's say that Jesus had pure faith that he would receive knowledge, so he received it. That's a pretty tall order; akin to jumping off a cliff with the "faith" that you'll be able to fly.

If I'm a kindergartener in this esoteric school, how do I determine if this school is the real deal and the right place to be?

This is indeed the key to the whole experience. It takes Faith, Hope and Love to be able to find the path. And yes, faith is one of those. Its that morsel of faith that says that our material world is not all there is out there, but that there is more to find.

But there is Faith, and there is believe. The way I think about it, believing in something is deciding that the universe should act in a certain way. You don't try to see things objectively, but instead it's like you are trying to bend everything you see, hear and experience so it would fit into certain boxes, and if you cannot do that, you discard it. Believing is akin to having a tunnel vision. Believing is jumping off the cliff thinking that you'll be able to fly.

Faith, on the other hand is different. It's like trust based on the knowledge you have and that gut feeling that tells you you are on the right path. And if your eyes are open, you will see that the Universe responds to you.

Believe is fixed, Faith is flexible. This is what Cassiopaea Glossary says about the subject http://glossary.cassiopaea.com/glossary.php?id=52.

 

[luc]

Here's a better question: what have others done in their quest, when faced with internal skepticism? How do you find the proof that convinces you beyond a reasonable doubt?

For me, applying the knowledge that I learned here did the trick.

I came here because all the "paranormal" stuff in Laura's books was just mind-blowing for me - it felt like finally discovering something meaningful in this life. Plus, she wrote in a way that appealed to me. But still I had many doubts, because, well, it went against everything I learned and thought I "knew" before, and I've never had any paranormal experience myself. But after a while, I tried to apply some of the things I learned here, step by step, against huge internal resistance. And although it was a major struggle, there were positive results from the very beginning - I became more focused, more excited about life, more understanding in my relationships with other people and lost less and less energy to useless thoughts and programs. And from that on I knew that this is the right way, that the people here cannot be of bad will, con-artists or whatever, and that I should take them very seriously.

So my suggestion would be: Read the many "down to earth" threads here and the corresponding books - especially about cognitive science, health and maybe politics - and start to apply little things that you learned here, while observing yourself and others in your daily life, and see where it leads to and if you can verify some of the things you learned here in the "real world". After all, if all these paranormal things described in Laura's books led to the immense "down to earth" knowledge gathered here and to the motivation to apply it, and it works, isn't this proof enough that it's "real"? The way I see it now is that we are not supposed to learn about "hidden realities" by experiencing them directly, but by studying the reality we actually live in (including, of course, ourselves). Than, maybe, we slowly start to see patterns that hint to the "hidden realities" or other densities. This is sort of direct proof, but in order to get it, one must be well on the way, which is also the reason why one cannot "prove" this to other people who have not yet started this journey, or so I think.

 

[Alchemie]

I think all the feedback is great. Thank you everyone.

I do keep learning because of the simple idea: the amount of phenomena that people report can't all be overactive imaginations. It may be a bit childish on my part, but I guess I'm a little disappointed that I haven't "experienced" something that would confirm the phenomena, personally (not that I want to be abducted or learn any "hard" lessons).

I just always hated, as a child, being told "you'll understand someday." It always made me even more curious to know what I'm missing out on.
Anyway, I have many more questions, but I won't over-burden the forum today.

Thanks again for all the replies, thus far. Where else can a person have these sorts of conversations
:)

You can be proud of your situation, not to be traumatized hard. You have certainly experienced and learned something, that can help others.

 

[Al Today]

Here is my story about faith.

I have been in grocery stores many times. People work in grocery stores. Most likely they are in those grocery stores every day, stocking shelves, moving items around and what not.

I was on vacation and walked into a grocery store where I have never been. Let's say I was looking for some bacon. With never being within that grocery store before, I had no idea where that bacon was. From all the observations performed through my lifetime of experience, I had a pretty good idea the people working in that store knew where that bacon was.

So I asked a clerk: "Where is the bacon please?". They pointed over there, the end of aisle number 8. That I would see the bacon in the cooler, against the wall, at the end of aisle number 8. I then had faith that i can find the bacon over there. So I went where directed in search of the bacon. When I arrived at the cooler, lo and behold, there was the BACON! I FOUND BACON! Now, I have knowledge that there is the BACON, in the cooler, against the wall, at the end of aisle number 8.!.!.!

;) ;) ;)

edited for clarity

 

[dredger]

Hello LittleBird, hello everybody,

I'm too "new" to the forum, but was a bit informed about the whole matter during the past 10y. My uncle helped me to open my eyes and rely a lot on his knowledge and conclusions (mainly since 1y)
As you, I never experienced any special event, I also never remember my dreams or almost (1 or 2 time a year, and even, it's already a foggy souvenir once I wake up).
But my girlfriend saw clearly an ufo years before being with her friends (was a triangle with lights at each corners, not sure if there was also one middle, should ask her again), and she said that they never talked about and the group talked about during the days after - it was a period when many people also saw ufo in the region. My uncle also told me strange stories.
Anyway, even if I believe both, it's still not a proof for me.
But for sure, I believe them, and I don't have hard to do it. True, it's a bit frustrating, but I have something in me I never considered as "esoteric" until recently, this is what i always called my instinct. Since I'm reading quite more about all these subject introduced by Laura, I came to reconsider my instinct, or better say "I'm reconsidering my instinct". First, it's raising, it's more and more often that it pops up. What is it !? When I thought twice about, I think it's a way for me to see possible futures, and I start to consider I'm able, in a way, to receive kind of smooth direction from the part of me in 4th density. Let's say it's actually an hypothesis, but when I compile all I read until now, it seems to be a good theory for me.
I also started to observ myself.

I also remembered that in 1995, at my first job, I had relationship problems with my girlfriend, and I called a radio because a well known seer was giving a dayly/weekly radio show and answering auditors questions. I succeeded to talk to him, and the lone thing I remember is that he told me to trust my instinct.

An example : if you look my very first post here, on the french section (http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,18110.0.html), I came to get information on a book I hope to be traducted in french, I was doing researches on psychopaths, it was in 11/2012. Did not read the rules of the forum, only subscribed to ask one question then leave. But I did not leave without nothing, as I read the post, I felt on the list of Belibaste and read it ... and, I don't know why, but something in me ... told me to buy this book. Thus, at the same time, I ordered it and received it 1 week after ! Why !? I still don't know, I call it my instinct. Thus I started to learn, and came back to the forum only in 08/2013, one month before.
Just note that i'm reading sott since +/-1y and I knew about Cs forum, but this was too big for me, no time (and still not much) at this period of my life.

Another example : when browsing and reading among the latest Cs transcription, I felt on "Colloidal Silver" to protect from plague. Here again, my instinct "dinged" quite loudly, and I directly searched about, found one sold in france and ordered it. I have it since 1 month I gave it to my uncle, who is first a biologist. He studied all information about the argent colloidal and replied me a nice email explaining me, with 2 personal proofs, that the argent colloidal is truly strong and efficient medicine ! He also wish to buy such device now, but as a scientist, he gave a list of improvement he would like to have comparing to the one I bought in order to produce the best argent colloidal possible (ie the most efficient) - Don't you think this sounds like pretty nice circumstances ?

And these are recents facts, and among the most representativs ones, sometimes it's just regarding a parking place, a special feeling about any kind of subject. The difficulty I encounter is actually the following : did I had this "idea" in my head after a logical serie of deductions based on the events, my knowledge and suppositions, or is it an idea which popped and looks better like an idea coming from my instinct !? I regulary wonder about and try to determine it.

Now, last example : since ... 2007 / 2008, I had a particular feeling (instinct !?) which tells me I have to come back to my parent house to live there, in a village, because I think about a future with solidarity in the village, once the "plague" will have stroke (I hope my english is understandable here). I also have a strong feeling about the cave, and "digging", also a feeling about downloading all material I can on internet and keep it, also transform a part of the cave of the house as a farady cage and put in my IT stuff (IT is my business) in order to protect it. I even have a starting IT company which really runs well (yes it's possible even now) and I'm wondering what to do as it's taking all my time, it's running well yes, but because I work hard on it) - I even already considered to stop it, stop a well starting company, it's totally incomprehensible but this comes from my instinct and that i'm sure, not only because I understand that something big and bad is coming.

At least, I also noticed that, since I'm young (Im 40 now), I almost follow the path of advises given by Gurdjief and many here, I mean I don't care about material, I'm really a lot open minded, maybe I trust too much at first glance and would need to better analyse what I hear/read, but it's on-going, I'm working on it. Many other things I could describe but it's enough. I wanted to show you that even if i'm in the same case as you, means "no real personal strange/paranormal events", I think that for me, proofs are given through another way I have in me since a long time but for which i never tried to analyse much.

Hope this help !

Cheers

 

[dredger]

Forget to mention the book, it was "in search for miraculous", or, in french, "Fragments d'un enseignement inconnu"