A picture is worth a thousand words

[loreta]

Thanks for your comments, Ennio and Renaisance, I just wanted to share the comments of Meyssan because I was not sure of what he said about if the body has to be in parallel. That why I asked also if Meyssan was a good source. I think he is, but sometimes I think also, as almost everyone, he has an aim , and he can be, as in this article, not very objective. And this bothers me.

 

[Gwenllian]

Thanks for your comments, Ennio and Renaisance, I just wanted to share the comments of Meyssan because I was not sure of what he said about if the body has to be in parallel. That why I asked also if Meyssan was a good source. I think he is, but sometimes I think also, as almost everyone, he has an aim , and he can be, as in this article, not very objective. And this bothers me.

It bothers me as well, loreta. Especially because there are disinformation specialists out there now who are wondering whether the photo is fake, distracting the people from the real crisis. OSIT.

_https://maudoortwijn.wordpress.com/2015/09/08/aylan-kurdi-er-komen-verhalen-op-dat-ook-dit-een-hoax-is/

Thanks mods and ambassadors, for your replies!

 

[Navigator]

1.) There's always been mass migration to Europe, mainly for economic reasons.

2.) Two thirds of the migrants are not coming from an Arab Spring country or conflict zone.

I would contest those claims as well, here is what I posted elsewhere:

He says that only 20% of refugees are from Syria. But that's because he does not consider the numbers for 2015, which he could find here:

_http://data.unhcr.org/mediterranean/regional.html

UNHCR says that 53% of the asylum seeking people in 2015 are coming from Syria, so he uses the argument to reinforce the notion that no such refugee crisis exist.

In his second point, mentioning that 2/3 of the inmigrants/refugees come to Europe for economic reasons, he is partially right, but not convincingly right, at least to back up his claims in that way. I checked Eurostat (his own source) and found that the top countries of origin of people asking for asylum are:

• Syria
• Afghanistan
• Kosovo (UNSCR 1244/99)
• Eritrea
• Serbia
• Pakistan
• Iraq

You can download an Excel file with the info from here.

These 7 countries constitute 50% of the asylum-seeking people for 2013 and 2014 (no data yet for 2015). Most of them are war-torn countries, if we consider that Kosovo and Serbia's refugee situation came from a war situation.

And although Eritrea is not officially at war with anyone, is just as bad. Decades-long force conscription make people run away to Europe, and in a way they fall into the refugee category too. So my conclusion is that these people don't want to go to Europe only on economic basis as he tries to point out.

My 2 cents.

 

[loreta]

Thanks for your comments, Ennio and Renaisance, I just wanted to share the comments of Meyssan because I was not sure of what he said about if the body has to be in parallel. That why I asked also if Meyssan was a good source. I think he is, but sometimes I think also, as almost everyone, he has an aim , and he can be, as in this article, not very objective. And this bothers me.

It bothers me as well, loreta. Especially because there are disinformation specialists out there now who are wondering whether the photo is fake, distracting the people from the real crisis. OSIT.

_https://maudoortwijn.wordpress.com/2015/09/08/aylan-kurdi-er-komen-verhalen-op-dat-ook-dit-een-hoax-is/

Thanks mods and ambassadors, for your replies!

You are right. So Meyssan has fall in this game of desinformation, in this article. Why? This is a very important question, for me. Why is he not giving the right numbers of refugees? Something is absent in my understanding.

 

[Ennio]

It just seems like Meyssan is selectively choosing facts and making connections, where there aren't any necessarily, in order to (at best) draw attention to things that he thinks are more important. At worst, Meyssan is a top-notch disinformation peddler of the soul-smashing variety who uses big stories to steer many of the most ardent observers off the right track. This is probably not at all conscious, but who knows. We do know that Meyssan is probably best of all known for his coverage of 911 and his basic agreement with us that the Pentagon was not hit by one of the hijacked airliners but by something else. And in that one respect alone there are many writers out there who may have a piece of truth, get well known and respected for putting it out there, and then assume (as it becomes assumed by others) that they must have the whole enchilada about everything else they choose to write about.

One example. There is a journalist/researcher in the US named Christopher Hedges. SOTT has carried many of his articles over the years and his work, advocacy and writings for social justice here has been exemplary. He's a powerhouse. Well, a few months back he came out with an article which was pro vegetarianism, with facts he included which have already been proven false. Oy! How many people is he in a position to influence in the wrong direction by virtue of his great and well-earned reputation? Was he seeking to purposely mislead his many readers towards the road to ill health? I seriously doubt it. And yet that's what he was doing because of influences and biases in his own life that steered him away from the objective truth on the matter. Is this what is going on with Meyssan? I don't know. A hunch is that he just enjoys being perceived as the guy who has the "real scoop" on things more than actually having the real scoop on things. But this is a fairly common thing as we know.

 

[Renaissance]

Is this what is going on with Meyssan? I don't know. A hunch is that he just enjoys being perceived as the guy who has the "real scoop" on things more than actually having the real scoop on things. But this is a fairly common thing as we know.

Yeah, a lot of these people who are supposedly 'questioning everything' really aren't questioning their own thoughts and reasoning. The alternative media needs to be questioned just as much, if not more, as the mainstream media. The C's nailed it:

A: It is just as dangerous and just as useless to "see" conspiracy in everything as it is to "see" conspiracy in nothing. We tire of conspiracy "buffs." They are nutty, and serve as perfect false sponsors to those who really DO seek to conduct widespread mental/psychic manipulations and control.

 

[loreta]

Ok, thank you for your imputs. They loose, at a certain point, their objectivity. And we have to be very careful. My, that's why it is so important networking. Thank you again! Learn is very interesting, really. With all of you...

 

[gottathink]

All people should look at these pictures and we are supposed to believe they are running from Assad, that is the actual tripe they expect us to believe.
It seems that emptying the country (Syria) is exactly what they(PTB) are trying to achieve, they can't exterminate an entire population so why not terrorise them so they leave. Is this an expansion of territory? I may be not well enough informed I don't know.

 

[gdpetti]

On RT now: http://www.rt.com/news/315116-passengers-reveal-kurdi-smuggler/

Passengers of the boat that capsized in the Aegean Sea, taking lives of at least 12 people, including a Syrian toddler, whose tragic image has become iconic for the current refugee crisis, have accused his father of being a “people smuggler.”

Several Iraqis, who survived the notorious sea accident last week, told Reuters and Australian media on Friday that Abdullah Kurdi, whose story of losing his family became known worldwide, was responsible for the illegal voyage and later begged them to hush-up his role in the incident. In return, Kurdi dismissed the claims as “lie.”

"The story that [Aylan's father] told is untrue. I don't know what made him lie, maybe fear," Ahmed Hadi Jawwad, who lost his 11-year-old daughter and 9-year-old son, told Reuters. "He was the driver from the very beginning until the boat sank."

He added that Kurdi “organized this trip,” and his wife confirmed the details.

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