A Psychopath's Nightmare!

[Meg]

I still don't understand how the universe allows them to get away with their transgressions.

Hi Webglider,

As I understand it, and I could be wrong, ‘they’ aren’t transgressing against anyone. From what I have learned so far, I see the actions of STS as manifestations of free will or rather they are acting in favor of their “destiny” which is entropy,

There is a part in Secret History where Laura presents information about probable parallel universes.

Laura writes:

Now, consider the idea that there are several - maybe even infinite - "probable future yous" as observers. This would be represented as many "eyes" but all of them converging on a single point on the tail - the "now" moment that we perceive, which is the moment of "choice." It is from these probable futures of infinite potential - of "thought centers" that reality is projected. It is through human beings that these energies are transduced and become "real."

You in the here and now - at the conjunction of all of these probabilities all vying with one another to become “real” - have no possibility of “creating” anything in this reality from “down here,” so to say. The realities - the creative potentials - are a projection from higher levels of density. You are a receiver, a transducer, a reflector of the view of which eye is viewing YOU, nothing more.

The phenomenon that these ideas speak to more directly is that of hyperdimensional realities wherein mental energies or consciousness energies are amplified and can be interactive with the environment: technology that suggests not only power for transport that is partly physical, partly “ethereal;” communication that is also partly physical and partly ethereal, as well as powers of “manifestation” that might seem impossible to us in our present state of technology. All of these properties do belong to hyperdimensional existence, and such a state of being has been reported for millennia as being the “realm of the gods,” including Dragons and Serpents, and critters of all sorts.

If we can describe such realms mathematically and give them a physical reality, as Dirac suggests, then we might also consider the hypothesis that they may be inhabited. Could our “Gods” be inhabitants of this realm?

As many physicists will tell you, all that really exists are “waveforms” and we are waveforms of reality, and our consciousness is something that “reads waves.” We give form and structure to the waves we “read” according to some agreed upon convention.

And so, certain denizens of hyperdimensional space are “read” as more or less “reptilian” because that is the “essence” of their being, the frequency of their “wave form.” We call them the Overlords of Entropy. They are not necessarily physical as we understand the term, nor are they necessarily “alien” as we understand the term either. We suspect that the perceptions of these levels of reality and their “consciousness units” are what is behind many religious conceptions and mythological representations of “gods and goddesses” and creatures of all sorts.

I see STS beings and their influences as manifestations of one or many of ‘my selves’ in the future who are perfectly happy being STS (thank you very much) and they would like for ‘me in the here and now’ to agree with them. The same applies to probable STO selves in the future as well. Part of The Work, as I see it, is discerning those influences and learning from the experiences. I hope I haven’t added to your confusion. That is my understanding of it today. Fwiw.

 

[anart]

I still don't understand how the universe allows them to get away with their transgressions.

Hi Webglider,

As I understand it, and I could be wrong, ‘they’ aren’t transgressing against anyone. From what I have learned so far, I see the actions of STS as manifestations of free will or rather they are acting in favor of their “destiny” which is entropy,

I think this is true.  Also remember that they are not doing anything to us that we are not doing to 2nd Density, in one way or another. 

As the C's said, "You remember, all there is is lessons. That's it! There's nothing else."

Also, 'it is not up to the student to be the architect of the school'.  I think, webglider, that reading the Wave again is a very good idea. It seems you might have taken in some of the information but missed some of the understanding.

 

[webglider]

I hope I haven’t added to your confusion. That is my understanding of it today. Fwiw.

No, you've actually broadened my ability to think about this issue by widening the scope and providing a less literal meaning for cosmic energies.

Now, consider the idea that there are several - maybe even infinite - "probable future yous" as observers. This would be represented as many "eyes" but all of them converging on a single point on the tail - the "now" moment that we perceive, which is the moment of "choice." It is from these probable futures of infinite potential - of "thought centers" that reality is projected. It is through human beings that these energies are transduced and become "real."

You in the here and now - at the conjunction of all of these probabilities all vying with one another to become “real” - have no possibility of “creating” anything in this reality from “down here,” so to say. The realities - the creative potentials - are a projection from higher levels of density. You are a receiver, a transducer, a reflector of the view of which eye is viewing YOU, nothing more.

Wow. Never would I have been able to come to this realization without the above quote so stuck as I was on moons, planets, and suns, that I never would have factored myself into this equation. So then, what we as humans do or not do, does directly affect evolution.

Also remember that they are not doing anything to us that we are not doing to 2nd Density, in one way or another.

Having been influenced by some Lakota teachings to perceive 2nd Density beings, [and one dimensional beings as well] as our relations, to be stewards and not exploiters, to give thanks for the sacrifices the rest of creation have made for our evolution instead of being heedless and wasteful , and to think of not doing that as a transgression, then the behavior of STS forces are transgressions.

There have been societies that have lived in this way, but human societies do not follow these teachings anymore and wreaking havoc on the planet and themselves.

In Greek Mythology/Cosmology, the Laws were created before the gods, and even the gods have to abide by them. And as every reader of Homer knows, even though those gods are psychopathic and ruthless, there is a higher power that they must obey. I assume that that higher power is the Absolute.

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[BassMann22]

Dear Webglider, good luck in your adventures and Joy to the World! :)

Bm22

 

[Nienna]

Also, don't take the evolution of the moon, earth etc. too literally. The info was given in the most appropriate way for the time. Now, we live in a different time, and have access to the info in explanations more appropriate to our level of awareness.

This helps. Much of my difficulty arises frustrating attempts to correlate the metaphor of evolution of the moon, earth, etc. to what seems to be the objective reality of the hyperdimensiional beings in our midst.

I still don't understand how the universe allows them to get away with their transgressions; or perhaps it isn't.

The universe is them, and us and everything. In the Wave and SHotW it talks about the Sufi teachings God is the root of all names, both good and evil. It is up to us to decide which names we will answer to. We need to learn about both the good and the bad names in order to decide which names we will answer to. We cannot learn this without experiencing them both.

Laura, of course, writes about this quite extensively and it would benefit anyone who hasn't read her books to do so s-l-o-w-l-y so as to be able to really grok what she is saying.

And it is not the universe that is allowing them to get away with their "transgressions", WE gave them permission to do to us as they will when we crossed the threshold into 3rd density so that we could experience physicality. It is up to us to learn our lessons, as all there is is lessons, and hope to get outta here.

I think that one thing you should understand, there is nobody out there that's going to help us. We have to help ourselves. Laura and Ark are showing us the way, but WE have to do the work ourselves.

Just some thoughts. I'll go back and read The Wave again, more slowly this time.

I think this would be a good idea. Rushing through the densely-packed works of Laura is not the best idea. It is hard not to, I agree, but while rushing through the pages, you miss some of the gems along the way. ;)

Also, have you read any of the psychology books in the recommended book section? This is highly important in helping those who want to work on themselves and explains nicely just what you should be looking for while self-observing.

At least this is my understanding at this time.

 

[webglider]

And it is not the universe that is allowing them to get away with their "transgressions", WE gave them permission to do to us as they will when we crossed the threshold into 3rd density so that we could experience physicality. It is up to us to learn our lessons, as all there is is lessons, and hope to get outta here.

I think that one thing you should understand, there is nobody out there that's going to help us. We have to help ourselves. Laura and Ark are showing us the way, but WE have to do the work ourselves.

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Yes. The pieces of the puzzle are beginning to fit together. After much resistance, I am reading the psychology books. I have read quite a lot actually, and as a result I see the world in an entirely different way than I did
before I found this site.

But I think something inside of me already knew this material because when I read it, it feels absolutely right to me.

I do need to slow down. When something is pointed out to me, I remember reading it. I think the major block for me was that I was literally holding onto the idea of organic life on earth being food for the moon. I never replaced that idea in my mind with STS forces. Somehow each remained as a separate world construct. Eliminating the coded reference to STS makes everything much clearer. Everything fits together now. I feel that I am beginning to pierce the veil that is the hiding the reality of our world.

And what I see is horrifying because I am beginning to see through the cushioning of societal programming.

 

[Oxajil]

I do need to slow down. When something is pointed out to me, I remember reading it. I think the major block for me was that I was literally holding onto the idea of organic life on earth being food for the moon.

fwiw:

I think what might help is that with (mostly) everything you read, try to view it literally in your way and try to think it's symbolic meaning in your own way. But never (I think) take it as the absolute truth. If you stay open for it's symbolic/literal meaning and you come across more and more information, you might find another symbolic meaning, because you then understand more about the 'bigger picture'. Also when reading each page, try to ask yourself what you've read on that page and if you understand it. At least, it helped me, so perhaps it can help you too.

I remember anart posting a quote from Ark, and this really stood out for me:

If you need five lives to accomplish what you WANT, let this be the first of those five. And then, without any "time obligation" or "should stressing" - start it.

 

[BassMann22]

I think that one thing you should understand, there is nobody out there that's going to help us. We have to help ourselves. Laura and Ark are showing us the way, but WE have to do the work ourselves.

In the final end, everyone is entitled to their opinion. we should all be flexible enough to bend and fit into the scheme of things together. I believe there is "somebody" out there who are helping us and for that matter, there is somebody "In Here" (physical body being soul/spirit/energy) that is also helping us. I have only praise for Ark and Laura's efforts to be all that they can be. Perhaps one or more students have been touched or motivated to keep searching for understanding and knowledge in patience, STS and Love for the planet.

Children are God's spies. — Elizabeth Bowen (1899-1973)

I am still quite new here and surly have a long way to go to show myself as a worthy student, even though that is not my intentions to stay around too long. I am just stopping by to pay my respect, to see the makings of genius and how a few precious souls are being looked after, taken care of and lead in the right way.

I have chosen the path of Absolute Sonship and this is my last life. I Am The One Who Is. Son Of The Source Of All That Is. I Am That I Am and That's What I Am.

I say this from my heart that Mr. & Mrs Jadczyk are two fascinating people as the creators of Quantum Future, SOTT.NET, Cassiopeia organization and forum. I now understand and have seen with my own eyes how science has become and can be a religion. Laura herself has said that neither religion nor science can take you all the way and that both trails fall short of getting you home. So it really comes down to each individual and their personal decision to 'want' to return to Source. The previous quote is my personal Mantra given to me as a catapult to the Absolute after my physical expiration.

As the C's said, "You remember, all there is is lessons. That's it! There's nothing else."

I don't know the C's,...Yet. I always avoid absolute ultimatums because they limit and embarrass one at a later phase in life when expanded or proven wrong. Any religion which claims only it expresses the ultimate Truth is from it's very foundation absurd. (Brain Grattan, Mahatma I&II)

As many physicists will tell you, all that really exists are “waveforms” and we are waveforms of reality, and our consciousness is something that “reads waves.” We give form and structure to the waves we “read” according to some agreed upon convention.

The quote from SHOTW-pg.61 is a perfect example of what took place in terms of the Soul experiencing all things...in "Waves". When our Souls left Source or Absolute, our desire was to experience the universe! Our soul entered a huge playground where it once experienced being a star. A million years later experienced being a planet. Ultimately, the soul desired to experience being a human and in our case, the 3rd density became our Achilles heel because we got trapped in the wonderfulness of living on a planet and being human. Having children, eating ice creams, writting letters, going fishing, reading books and the list is endless from the beautiful things of life which in our minds eye were the best of the best of all that the soul could experience. Why would a soul want to be a planet when being destroyed by the people living on it is stored in it's memory. So the problems arises when the people on the planet also forgot that their earth is a Soul and were the responsible agents for destroying her. Perhaps this is one reason why we seem to have gotten stuck in the 3rd density. One other theory which compliments why we still find ourselves here says that our experience of human life in the universe at one time was on a much larger scale. Due to man's inclination to self destruct, destroying himself and the planet(s) lived on, was allowed to continue to exist in a miniature or smaller scale to see just what humanity would do and how things would turn out as not to affect larger parts of the universe. Thanks for having me here.

TheOneWhoIs,
BassMann22

 

[Azur]

And what I see is horrifying because I am beginning to see through the cushioning of societal programming.

And this can seem to be cruel. It is a very brutal shock.

Others have shared some important insights because they recognize what you are going through by your very words. It's one of those things that you can't possibly tell someone about beforehand (as a warning, it just doesn't register), but when they go through it, it is recognizable.

Hence the advice about re-reading the Wave series. It's not the only text of it's sort, but it is most definitely a great one where tearing down a perceptual structure is not replaced by erecting another, and not only that but provides a great understanding of how perceptual (as opposed to seeing/thinking) structures get erected by outside sources in the first place.

"Thinking with a hammer" goes beyond methodology or procedure, and is not only about thinking with the brain/body (although it is a tool at your disposal).

Misunderstood or unseen nuances appear to melt like wax when revisited with a growing flame of new understanding. It's funny how that works, but there you have it.

See you on the Road!

 

[anart]

In the final end, everyone is entitled to their opinion. we should all be flexible enough to bend and fit into the scheme of things together.

Actually, since one of the purposes of this forum is to approach an objective understanding of reality, opinion has absolutely nothing to do with it. It is not about bending and fitting - it is about objectivity, knowledge and understanding.

 

[anart]

It's not the only text of it's sort, but it is most definitely a great one where tearing down a perceptual structure is not replaced by erecting another, and not only that but provides a great understanding of how perceptual (as opposed to seeing/thinking) structures get erected by outside sources in the first place.

Azur, you are lapsing into word salad again - after having this pointed out to you ad nauseam and after you resolved to stop doing it. Could you please make this point in a way that others can easily understand it?

 

[Nienna]

I think that one thing you should understand, there is nobody out there that's going to help us. We have to help ourselves. Laura and Ark are showing us the way, but WE have to do the work ourselves.

In the final end, everyone is entitled to their opinion. we should all be flexible enough to bend and fit into the scheme of things together. I believe there is "somebody" out there who are helping us and for that matter, there is somebody "In Here" (physical body being soul/spirit/energy) that is also helping us.

This is true, everyone is entitled to their own “opinions” and “beliefs”. This is what free will is all about.

However, this forum is based on the 4th Way teachings of Gurdjieff and Mouravieff, along with the Sufi teachings and clues from the C’s so we go by these guidelines here where learning to see things as objectively as possible, to seek out the objective truth and give up our beliefs and illusions is of utmost importance. You would know this if you have read the forum rules and the many articles here.

These teachings have shown that the only way to escape the Matrix is through self-work and seeing reality as it is, not as we wish it to be.

I have only praise for Ark and Laura's efforts to be all that they can be. Perhaps one or more students have been touched or motivated to keep searching for understanding and knowledge in patience, STS and Love for the planet.

Yes, that’s what we do here. But not only that, we continue to find the truth in every situation, including the truth that is hidden by illusions.

Children are God's spies. — Elizabeth Bowen (1899-1973)

I am still quite new here and surly have a long way to go to show myself as a worthy student, even though that is not my intentions to stay around too long. I am just stopping by to pay my respect, to see the makings of genius and how a few precious souls are being looked after, taken care of and lead in the right way.

So you are doing an evaluation of this group? Why do you think that you would know if this group is being led in the right way?

I have chosen the path of Absolute Sonship and this is my last life. I Am The One Who Is. Son Of The Source Of All That Is. I Am That I Am and That's What I Am.

I say this from my heart that Mr. & Mrs Jadczyk are two fascinating people as the creators of Quantum Future, SOTT.NET, Cassiopeia organization and forum. I now understand and have seen with my own eyes how science has become and can be a religion. Laura herself has said that neither religion nor science can take you all the way and that both trails fall short of getting you home. So it really comes down to each individual and their personal decision to 'want' to return to Source. The previous quote is my personal Mantra given to me as a catapult to the Absolute after my physical expiration.

This is not a religion. If you have been actually studying what we do here this would be apparent.

What makes you think that you will be “catapulted to the absolute” after your physical expiration? Are you telling us that you are a very advanced human?

As the C's said, "You remember, all there is is lessons. That's it! There's nothing else."

I don't know the C's,...Yet. I always avoid absolute ultimatums because they limit and embarrass one at a later phase in life when expanded or proven wrong. Any religion which claims only it expresses the ultimate Truth is from it's very foundation absurd. (Brain Grattan, Mahatma I&II)

This is true. That’s why, if you have read Laura’s various works you know that the C’s transmissions are taken as 10% inspiration and 90% perspiration. Laura and Ark have done copious amounts of objective research to verify the clues that the C’s have given them. And, they encourage everyone to read as much as they can to gain knowledge in many different fields of study. To be able to find new data and change their understanding of things accordingly, if needed.

And this is not a religion. It is a school of learning which incorporates the teachings of the 4th Way by Gurdjieff and Mouravieff, the Sufi teachings and clues given by the C’s.

As many physicists will tell you, all that really exists are “waveforms” and we are waveforms of reality, and our consciousness is something that “reads waves.” We give form and structure to the waves we “read” according to some agreed upon convention.

The quote from SHOTW-pg.61 is a perfect example of what took place in terms of the Soul experiencing all things...in "Waves". When our Souls left Source or Absolute, our desire was to experience the universe! Our soul entered a huge playground where it once experienced being a star. A million years later experienced being a planet. Ultimately, the soul desired to experience being a human and in our case, the 3rd density became our Achilles heel because we got trapped in the wonderfulness of living on a planet and being human. Having children, eating ice creams, writting letters, going fishing, reading books and the list is endless from the beautiful things of life which in our minds eye were the best of the best of all that the soul could experience. Why would a soul want to be a planet when being destroyed by the people living on it is stored in it's memory. So the problems arises when the people on the planet also forgot that their earth is a Soul and were the responsible agents for destroying her. Perhaps this is one reason why we seem to have gotten stuck in the 3rd density. One other theory which compliments why we still find ourselves here says that our experience of human life in the universe at one time was on a much larger scale. Due to man's inclination to self destruct, destroying himself and the planet(s) lived on, was allowed to continue to exist in a miniature or smaller scale to see just what humanity would do and how things would turn out as not to affect larger parts of the universe. Thanks for having me here.

How do you know that we were suns and then planets, etc. What is the source of this information. Others may know, but I am afraid that I am not one of the geniuses here, as you may have noticed. :)

TheOneWhoIs,
BassMann22

Interesting. You are “One Who Is.” So in other words, you are an advanced human who has an unindividuated “I”, or you have learned how “to Be.”

Contratulations! However, I would think that someone who has accomplished this would be a little less….self-important. They would not see any reason to tell everyone just how advanced they were. Unless they are moving more towards STS where this self-importance is one of the basic criteria.

But, then, I could be way off and if this is the case, I apologize for not seeing clearly enough.

 

[Oxajil]

TheOneWhoIs,
BassMann22

Interesting. You are “One Who Is.” So in other words, you are an advanced human who has an unindividuated “I”, or you have learned how “to Be.”

Exactly my thoughts as well when I read that.

I think that BassMann22 is more focused on the belief that he knows and that he understands correctly (I got that impression by reading his post, however my impressions could be wrong. I also think that maybe his emotion center 'took over' his thinking center while writing the post at some moments.)
Therefore, believing that you already know, there is no purpose for learning more or changing one's opinion. So it is then about 'sharing' knowledge and opinions, it's not about developing anymore. Basically what happens in debates.

I think this part of ISOTM fits here..

The idea of the value and importance of the level of being is completely forgotten. And it is forgotten that the level of knowledge is determined by the level of being. Actually at a given level of being the possibilities of knowledge are limited and finite. Within the limits of a given being the quality of knowledge cannot be changed, and the accumulation of information of one and the same nature, within already known limits, alone is possible. A change in the nature of knowledge is possible only with a change in the nature of being.

[...]

"Taken in itself, a man's being has many different sides. The most characteristic feature of a modem man is the absence of unity in him and, further, the absence in him of even traces of those properties which he most likes to ascribe to himself, that is, 'lucid consciousness,' 'free will,' a 'permanent ego or I,' and the 'ability to do.' It may surprise you if I say that the chief feature of a modem man's being which explains everything else that is lacking in him is sleep.

"A modern man lives in sleep, in sleep he is born and in sleep he dies. About sleep, its significance and its role in life, we will speak later. But at present just think of one thing, what knowledge can a sleeping man have? And if you think about it and at the same time remember that sleep is the chief feature of our being, it will at once become clear to you that if a man really wants knowledge, he must first of all think about how to wake, that is, about how to change his being.

 

[BassMann22]

I would like to thank those of you for your recent responses. Marked As Read.
To honor Ark's request to keep the noise levels down I will be spending some quiet time
researching the teachings of Gurdjieff, Mouravieff and the clues from the C's.

Respectfully yours,
Bm22

 

[Azur]

It's not the only text of it's sort, but it is most definitely a great one where tearing down a perceptual structure is not replaced by erecting another, and not only that but provides a great understanding of how perceptual (as opposed to seeing/thinking) structures get erected by outside sources in the first place.

Azur, you are lapsing into word salad again - after having this pointed out to you ad nauseam and after you resolved to stop doing it. Could you please make this point in a way that others can easily understand it?

Sorry about that.

What I meant by "perceptual structure" is the collection of information, education and everything else that filters what one sees leaving a lot unnoticed. What any one person (in general) believes is built up layer upon layer through education, culture, "common knowledge", etc and anything that falls out of that narrow scope is simply considered to be impossible or not real.

What I was trying to point out was that when you finally start to question the official lines of general belief and start looking around, you find that somebody else has too, and you come across all sorts of new stuff to consider that explains a lot. But it's a bootstrapping process (at least it was to me), where on one hand it's terrifying to see that so many people around you either don't know, don't care or worse, know and don't care. On the other hand as you unlearn all the stuff you've been told was how the Real World [tm] works, you find others that try to tell you they've mapped it all out, and here it is. When you are on that tightrope, where you might start questioning your own sanity, feeling like you're among dangerously blind people, it might be comforting to reach out to the first guy that comes along and says he's figured it all out. You attach yourself to this new stuff because it stops that feeling of vertigo, of uncertainty. But a lot of people have figured this out too, and put stuff out there that in, essence, if you buy into it lock, stock, and barrel you're just swapping an old set of beliefs for new ones, hence one perceptual structure for another. You're no better off, really, you're just blind to other things. The experiences written about in the wave and ISOTM (and others) don't simply hand you another set of beliefs, they show how or rather why belief is prevalent, how it blinds you and how you can work in order to see what's really there. They show how to search and see for yourself instead of handing it out to you (this is what I meant by "how perceptual (as opposed to seeing/thinking) structures get erected by outside sources in the first place").

I hope I was a little bit more clear there.