lostinself
Jedi Master
monotonic said:
I agree. Still i find it hard to accept regarding some of the jamais-vu type stuff i've experienced. Derealization is a horrible state to find oneself in; luckily it's temporary in most cases.
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I agree. Still i find it hard to accept regarding some of the jamais-vu type stuff i've experienced. Derealization is a horrible state to find oneself in; luckily it's temporary in most cases.
Menna
The Living Force
Non anticipation, little expectation, little sacred cows, openness to present/future with the past taking up little room in your head I'm sure opens you up to these moments. You are smarter now then 2, 3, 4,5.... Years ago so you are seeing things with the same eyes but different instruments This is how I would interpret your state with the knowledge I have. I would say this is a good thing opens you up to seeing life more objectively because you are not stuck in old states that's might have been more naive, inexperienced and less aware.
I also wouldn't worry about labeling this state just experience it and let it go when it goes embrace it when it comes if you find value knowledge from the feedback of being in this state when interacting in life then good. If you don't receive anything positive from it then leave it be
I also wouldn't worry about labeling this state just experience it and let it go when it goes embrace it when it comes if you find value knowledge from the feedback of being in this state when interacting in life then good. If you don't receive anything positive from it then leave it be
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First seeing. Undifferentiated seeing. No matter what you see, when seen with new perspective, is seeing it for the first time. The baby sees everything new. That quality of newness, is the same every time. It is sometimes called suchness. It can be learned, just like it has been unlearned by life-long programming. The mind categorizes by nature. It divides and differentiates, but by doing so it also corrupts. The practice of jamais-vu is nothing new. It is open-eyed meditation. Seeing without categorizing. Seeing the suchness of creation, all that is being. The highest states that have been described by ascended masters are nothing more than that undifferentiated seeing, except uninterrupted. The seer is the context, with no conditioning to color that context, so that what is seen is pure content, unfiltered and as the true essence of what is seen.
The most remarkable occurrence of that which I have experienced was the time I saw myself as the road I was traveling. Sure, I had traveled that road many times before, and have many times since. But that time, it was not the same road. It was new. It still is new, when I recall it that way. It's been maybe 8 years since that experience. Sometimes I get similar glimpses of suchness, but maybe, that experience of suchness has also lost it's newness. When the experience of experiencing newness becomes new, and not it does not get old, or get categorized as another milepost along the spiritual path, then that will be something.
The most remarkable occurrence of that which I have experienced was the time I saw myself as the road I was traveling. Sure, I had traveled that road many times before, and have many times since. But that time, it was not the same road. It was new. It still is new, when I recall it that way. It's been maybe 8 years since that experience. Sometimes I get similar glimpses of suchness, but maybe, that experience of suchness has also lost it's newness. When the experience of experiencing newness becomes new, and not it does not get old, or get categorized as another milepost along the spiritual path, then that will be something.
If you manage to figure out a way to study yourself, your mental internal "parts" as a machine, you can sometimes identify things that have changed when you enter a state like this. As if parts in the machine have been switched or a different set of gears is being used. A deeply subconscious attitude could be seen as a part in the mind that receives impressions from the environment and then triggers the next mental process. If the attitude changes (and it's not always clear what causes this), it will start triggering a different process. For instance the usual process may lead to some subtle self-doubt, which will make the experience generally not enjoyable. Then you enter a new mindset, everything seems new. The machine has switched and for some reason the process that was leading to negative emotions has been substituted with another process that leads to wonder and curiosity. The difference in feeling this creates causes it to stand out. I've learned that when I'm in such a state I can feel the wonder, trace my thoughts back to the beginning, and think about what I would have expected to think/feel in a normal situation. Then I find that some internal attitude, inexplicably, is different. For instance normal events might lead to a general feeling of insecurity. But in a "jamais vu" state I won't feel that low-level insecurity and instead my creativity will be acting as if on it's own to work out solutions to every obstacle.
One key aspect of this is that something in us is changing, which theoretically shouldn't, and without us knowing why or what exactly changed. It seems suspicious. The changes are not always temporary, especially if you utilize the state of mind to do something, in which case it seems to remain as a "ghost" recorded in the new neural circuits that were formed in it's presence. I find it's associated with unlikely advances and insights. Unlikely as in the kind of unlikeliness there is of a person consumed by A influences waking up. I think creativity normally operates this way, as a source of unlikely insights that can lead to seeing the cage and then discovering how to escape it.
One key aspect of this is that something in us is changing, which theoretically shouldn't, and without us knowing why or what exactly changed. It seems suspicious. The changes are not always temporary, especially if you utilize the state of mind to do something, in which case it seems to remain as a "ghost" recorded in the new neural circuits that were formed in it's presence. I find it's associated with unlikely advances and insights. Unlikely as in the kind of unlikeliness there is of a person consumed by A influences waking up. I think creativity normally operates this way, as a source of unlikely insights that can lead to seeing the cage and then discovering how to escape it.
obyvatel
The Living Force
[quote author=lostinself]
Still i find it hard to accept regarding some of the jamais-vu type stuff i've experienced. Derealization is a horrible state to find oneself in; luckily it's temporary in most cases.
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There are pathological states of this "derealization"" found in people suffering from trauma, Parkinson's disease as well as schizo-spectrum disorders where there is a failure of the neural circuitry to adequately integrate the various perceptual inputs which forms the physiological foundation of our "selfhood".
On the other hand, there is a sort of new realization which can happen when one who is habitually dissociated can literally re-member and re-engage with one's own self and one's surroundings. I would guess that in this case, the perceptual shift occurs due to a relatively more efficient collection and integration of perceptual inputs than when one was habitually dissociated.
So in both cases there is a perceptual shift - but in different directions leading to different experiences.
Let me try an analogy here. It is known from neurology that different perceptual inputs (visual, auditory, olfactory, tactile etc) are processed at different speeds. Still, for inputs arriving within a certain time window, the brain integrates everything and provides a context to us such that it appears simultaneous to us. The analogy would be a movie camera which is taking pictures at a certain shutter speed and frame rate to capture the reality. Shutter speed determines what how long one frame is exposed; the frames are then integrated, processed and played back to show the movie. Depending on the relative shutter speeds and frame rates one we can see more or less details, have crisp or blurry images and smooth or choppy playback. We can have a completely different picture of reality when we change these parameters.
The pleasurable jamais vu experiences can be caused by what is called an "expanded present". A slightly diffused and open focus allows more information to simultaneously enter the present moment and if the inputs can be processed adequately, we get to a richer context. This is experienced in certain meditative techniques and is accompanied by specific brain waves ( this thread has some details).
Still i find it hard to accept regarding some of the jamais-vu type stuff i've experienced. Derealization is a horrible state to find oneself in; luckily it's temporary in most cases.
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There are pathological states of this "derealization"" found in people suffering from trauma, Parkinson's disease as well as schizo-spectrum disorders where there is a failure of the neural circuitry to adequately integrate the various perceptual inputs which forms the physiological foundation of our "selfhood".
On the other hand, there is a sort of new realization which can happen when one who is habitually dissociated can literally re-member and re-engage with one's own self and one's surroundings. I would guess that in this case, the perceptual shift occurs due to a relatively more efficient collection and integration of perceptual inputs than when one was habitually dissociated.
So in both cases there is a perceptual shift - but in different directions leading to different experiences.
Let me try an analogy here. It is known from neurology that different perceptual inputs (visual, auditory, olfactory, tactile etc) are processed at different speeds. Still, for inputs arriving within a certain time window, the brain integrates everything and provides a context to us such that it appears simultaneous to us. The analogy would be a movie camera which is taking pictures at a certain shutter speed and frame rate to capture the reality. Shutter speed determines what how long one frame is exposed; the frames are then integrated, processed and played back to show the movie. Depending on the relative shutter speeds and frame rates one we can see more or less details, have crisp or blurry images and smooth or choppy playback. We can have a completely different picture of reality when we change these parameters.
The pleasurable jamais vu experiences can be caused by what is called an "expanded present". A slightly diffused and open focus allows more information to simultaneously enter the present moment and if the inputs can be processed adequately, we get to a richer context. This is experienced in certain meditative techniques and is accompanied by specific brain waves ( this thread has some details).
Phill4
The Living Force
I have, there are in my case these dreams that kept repeating when I was like 4 of being in a tennis court and falling and feeling a lot of pressure in my brain, lately i have had these dreams and when im too tired i feel the pressure in my brain which creates a weird sensation of everything being far when i close my eyes.
I do believe that chemistry plays a big roll in these experiences, since most deja vu appear to be like a snapshot that is accompanied by a sensation and generally speaking the mind has such abilities, it is the mind which interprets the world and shows it to us.
But i have another thing to add , i have had solo many deja vu and such, but also have had certain intuition to see thing that are about to happen happen or think of something or someone and have that person show up, and that is the more your head is crystal clear the more such experiences occur , the more natural they seem to manifest.
Also that it is the emotional center that plays a big roll in telepathy, that is the way in which you bond with people even when they are not with you, that is why sometimes a person you are thinking of calls you in that instance.
and like i said the clear the emotional center is, your emotions the better such experiences manifest.
I thought i share that
I do believe that chemistry plays a big roll in these experiences, since most deja vu appear to be like a snapshot that is accompanied by a sensation and generally speaking the mind has such abilities, it is the mind which interprets the world and shows it to us.
But i have another thing to add , i have had solo many deja vu and such, but also have had certain intuition to see thing that are about to happen happen or think of something or someone and have that person show up, and that is the more your head is crystal clear the more such experiences occur , the more natural they seem to manifest.
Also that it is the emotional center that plays a big roll in telepathy, that is the way in which you bond with people even when they are not with you, that is why sometimes a person you are thinking of calls you in that instance.
and like i said the clear the emotional center is, your emotions the better such experiences manifest.
I thought i share that
Phill4
The Living Force
trendsetter37 said:
You know what is interesting that when that happens you tend to never forget it thereafter when you look at anything similar. Like it's hard to miss the sphere inside out. Like when you read the answers of an IQ test, it's hard to miss afterwards the logic used to to make the questions tricky.
