A Strange Happening Today, Monday August 30, 2010

Ana said:
Panther Black said:
I don't know what you mean by discerning the level of intelligence of these beings.
Sorry for not being clear, for what you explain it seems you believe you know other beings intentions and levels(angels?) just for how they make you feel.
When you meet someone "in the physical reality" do you think you know his/her intentions just based on how he/she makes you feel?

Are you aware of how emotions can be externally manipulated and also how they can be just the result of ego needs and search for pleasures?
Are you aware of how the internal and external predator works?

Knowing deeply a person in the physical realm is an odyssey, so even more knowing and understanding less physical beings, which certainly could be projections of your mind in dissociative states, which would indicate a need for a deeply work on yourself, so your life wouldn't continually be annoyed by non integrated parts of your mind.

So many things to consider before venturing to say you are interacting with angels. :)
Work on yourself and deep study of pathology will give you tools to discern, so you can start to aknowledge everything not only for how you feel.

As EmeraldHope suggested reading The wave will give you a basis to understand the two modes of existence in several levels of beings, STS and STO, and then the Myth of Sanity by Martha Stout will be very helpfull to understand how dissociation works, if that is what you want.

Hope is clearer now :)

Hi Panther

I think Ana gives you a good explanation about how we can interpret the things in one way or another depending in our path way of understanding , you can find good information in the Secret History of the World Book to understand better what could happen around you and why !!! :huh: :cool:
 
Angels is just a term people! A descriptive term. Or should I just say those lovely beings who...

And devils is a descriptive term as well.

Ok?
 
truth seeker said:
Hi Panther,

I've also experienced some of what you're talking about. I would get the people coming at the right time, sometimes I would get them at the wrong time. At one point, I even questioned whether I could telepathically speak to others. It was one of the most bizarre occurrences! What I came to find out eventually was that these "coincidences" were able to happen because people aren't in as much control of themselves as I thought they were. What gave me the idea that this was not a benevolent force however, was that too many of the interactions were negative in nature. More specifically, they were designed to make me think in a way that allowed their control of my actions. My life was falling apart.

When I started to read the wave and adventures with the cassiopaeans, I began to realize that much of these timed happenings can be done quite easily via 4d STS. It took me a while to understand what that meant. I still wonder about it sometimes. While what you say on the face of it seems positive, they (4d sts) will use what works in order to control the actions of a person via their thoughts/perceptions.

I too was wondering who these people were and whether or not they were human. It was largely consuming and effectively stopped me from doing what I wanted and instead was in constant reaction mode. I kept wondering what would happen next.

One of the other things I came to realize and let go of was the feeling that I was being singled out which can lead to feelings of victimization. What is equally dangerous is when the perceptions cause us to believe that we are chosen which can lead to feelings of being special. Both feed directly into our own narcissistic wounding we incur as children. These sts beings are very tricky! :)

Once I started to work on myself and really question what I was perceiving and changed my reactions to them - meaning that I no longer fed into it, these interactions began to lessen.

Lots of good advice has been given. Keep reading and let us know if you have any questions. :)


It's nice to meet you. So what all you need to do is keep checking it out, what's happening. When you have some abilities, you want to make them sharper. In which ever way you can that is, you know what I mean.

I too had to go through that u know what, about those spirits babbling all kinds of nonsense at me. In the beginning when they came along, I was in my later teen years, and the one being who got pretty close to me, and I let it, because I was doing a study on them, I needed to find out as much information about them as I could, well they have all kinds of games they play...that being started saying aaaaall kinds of niiiiice compliments. But they didn't know that I didn't like that. So they were trying to get right into my life by adoring me with sweet words. I kept cutting them down, which really, I felt bad about it later, because I found out they too had feelings...nevertheless, I had to protect myself. So I bashed them away with mean words. This happened for years...through the mind thing. But in the beginning, I allowed them to get so close...and when I felt they were getting too close I started backing away. What I did was similar to you. I knew I could get rid of them, and I did, from that immediate way. I could feel the reality I was in blending with the spirit side they were in, and it felt like they would walk directly into my world or I would walk directly into theirs, and I did NOT want to. I had no knowledge of who they were or what that place was, and I needed to know a lot more before I would go and take those kind of chances.

About abilities. I had heard people in their own mind, and I thought they were talking outloud. Like for example once when a boyfriend was walking me home, I thought I heard him ask a question so I answered it, but he hadn't even opened his mouth yet. He was surprised and stared at me strangely so I asked him what? And he said he was only thinking of asking me that question, he hadn't asked it yet.

And on another occasion I was sitting in the kitchen doing something when another boyfriend at another time in my life was in the garage and I heard him swearing and yelling and I went to go ask him what? what's the matter? He said I didn't say anything. I said I heard you swearing and yelling. He said he was thinking it. Those are a couple examples of how things can happen. Don't let anyone take those abilities away from you. Work them.

"I began to realize that much of these timed happenings can be done quite easily via 4d STS."

Yup. All kinds of things. That's why you have to be so watchful. You do get help when you're working all that you can, you see. It's like, you're not alone, and there are not only 4th d sts's around, you see.

"What is equally dangerous is when the perceptions cause us to believe that we are chosen which can lead to feelings of being special."

Quite correct, hahahah hilarious thing happened to me about a year or so ago, and still sometimes now. Like oh my goodness...aren't they keen enough to know when something is not working? Or do they think they can brainwash us by much repetition of their words? They began saying to me that I was "chosen." (ooohhh, I'm chooosen, wow....uuuu) And I knew immediately it was them, again. (It sounded like a religiosity thing this time). Like I said, that is the kind of language they use to get your, like you said, eee gooo. Anyway. You know. I'm glad you're alright. Keep on keepin on. And thanks for the help.
 
Panther Black said:
About abilities. I had heard people in their own mind, and I thought they were talking outloud. Like for example once when a boyfriend was walking me home, I thought I heard him ask a question so I answered it, but he hadn't even opened his mouth yet. He was surprised and stared at me strangely so I asked him what? And he said he was only thinking of asking me that question, he hadn't asked it yet.

And on another occasion I was sitting in the kitchen doing something when another boyfriend at another time in my life was in the garage and I heard him swearing and yelling and I went to go ask him what? what's the matter? He said I didn't say anything. I said I heard you swearing and yelling. He said he was thinking it. Those are a couple examples of how things can happen. Don't let anyone take those abilities away from you. Work them.

The thing is that I don't have these abilities. I'm not suggesting that you don't. All I'm saying is that sts can give you the impression that you have certain capabilities in order to hook you. At the same time I thought I was having these abilities, people around me were responding in such a way as to confirm my perceptions. The question then for me was "Was there any response that I would not have read into?". Probably not. Most likely I would have found a meaning regardless of what happened. Shortly after, I got tired of the distraction this game provided and let go of it. That aspect of what was happening stopped as there was nothing for it to feed off. In addition, I was also not comfortable with the idea of sending messages to people who didn't have my permission. To me, this smacked of sts.

As you continue reading, you may gain a fuller understanding of how insidious sts can be.

Panther Black said:
Quite correct, hahahah hilarious thing happened to me about a year or so ago, and still sometimes now. Like oh my goodness...aren't they keen enough to know when something is not working? Or do they think they can brainwash us by much repetition of their words? They began saying to me that I was "chosen." (ooohhh, I'm chooosen, wow....uuuu) And I knew immediately it was them, again. (It sounded like a religiosity thing this time). Like I said, that is the kind of language they use to get your, like you said, eee gooo. Anyway. You know. I'm glad you're alright. Keep on keepin on. And thanks for the help.
We'll the specialness aspect can also be quite insidious. It can take the form of us thinking that we have a particular connection with others (people or beings) when in reality, we do not.

As others have said, Ana's suggestions are spot on. While it can be tricky to gain perspective while in the midst of it, it can be done. :)

Question: When you use the word "spirits", do you mean that you are perceiving beings that don't look human or that you are seeing people who you feel have a spiritual aspect to them or you are seeing people that you believe are beings in human form?
 
Panther Black said:
Angels is just a term people! A descriptive term. Or should I just say those lovely beings who...

And devils is a descriptive term as well.

Ok?

Could you explain how the above, is relevant or changes the reasoning we are trying to make you aware of?
 
Panther Black said:
Angels is just a term people! A descriptive term. Or should I just say those lovely beings who...

And devils is a descriptive term as well.

Ok?

Just wondering. You know that beauty is only skin deep, right. Just because entities are beautiful and make you feel all warm and fuzzy does NOT mean that they are good. More than likely, they are the bad guys manipulating you.

You really should not trust appearances.
 
Personally, I see terms like angel, devil, God, etc. as extremely limiting. I've been into to "woo-woo" stuff for almost a decade now, and the first thing I think of when someone mentions the term angel is a being in a white robe playing a harp. A devil is red with black horns and carries a pitchfork. God is a man in the sky with long brown hair, a white robe, and sits on a pearly throne. Of course he has white skin, because if he didn't, that would just be blasphemy.

In all seriousness though, to anyone who was raised in a Judeo-Christian environment, these words which are used to describe higher realities have deeply ingrained subjective emotional connotations. Several years after I stepped outside the bounds of Christianity, I once went to a black church and saw a painting where God was depicted as being black. I was absolutely shocked. I had always been in an environment where God was presented as a white European kind of a guy, and even though I didn't really believe the religion anymore, this picture was irreconcilable with my cultural programming.

So more to the point here, when people throw around these vague christian terms, they don't seem to realize that an angel can be either STS or STO, 4th through 6th density. Heaven probably refers to 5th density, although the cosmology is too corrupted to know for sure. If an entity presents itself as an angel it will set all of these emotional programs running in the back of your mind of how they are a purehearted being bringing divine spiritual knowledge from "God." If an apparition appears resembling the biblical description of an angel, the effect is more pronounced and I think most people's critical thinking faculties will be circumvented due to their awe of the whole thing. The "if it looks like an angel, flies like an angel, and sings like an angel, it must be an angel" reasoning doesn't apply here. Even if you haven't been duped by this, but just use this term to describe any higher-level being, it can be terribly confusing for other people. Even Gurdjieff does this, but he at least gives a pretty precise definition of what he's talking about so everyone knows exactly what he means. I prefer the terms Xdensity STS/STO when referring to higher entities. This term is descriptive in a more scientific way because it is neutral and doesn't carry any emotional baggage. In some cases we may be more familiar with certain classes of beings and use more descriptive terms such as Lizzie, Nordic, Pleiadan, etc. Food for thought, would a 3rd density STO being be an angel of sorts for 2nd density creatures? In addition, I don't like the term God either because of the connotations it carries with the Yahweh cult. I prefer the term Prime Creator, or at least put the word in quotes to differentiate it from the biblical god. It is a minor point, but I've met several people whom I believe use an overly simplistic nomenclature when describing the metaphysical world and I thought I would contribute.
 
truth seeker said:
Question: When you use the word "spirits", do you mean that you are perceiving beings that don't look human or that you are seeing people who you feel have a spiritual aspect to them or you are seeing people that you believe are beings in human form?

Not in this situation. Before, I had experiences of what I called "spirits" who had a being that didn't look human and I have met people who I have felt have a spiritual aspect to them, more so than usual so that I thought maybe they really weren't human like we are. In this situation it was only the spirit of things. Intuition, I suppose is what you'd use to describe it.
There's really no "body" for the spirits that I'm talking about. The spirit moves through everything and everyone. You can look at the room around you and see the spirit in the fabric of things. The spirit talks in an instinctual language within me, and in words too, and in feelings. I don't really know how to explain it. The spirit is always there and everywhere. It's not a certain person or certain being. I hope that you can understand what I mean.
 
Nienna Eluch said:
Panther Black said:
Angels is just a term people! A descriptive term. Or should I just say those lovely beings who...

And devils is a descriptive term as well.

Ok?

Just wondering. You know that beauty is only skin deep, right. Just because entities are beautiful and make you feel all warm and fuzzy does NOT mean that they are good. More than likely, they are the bad guys manipulating you.

You really should not trust appearances.

Hahahaa...this is truly funny. You know that ugliness is only skin deep, right? Just because an entity is ugly and makes you feel frightened (emotionally), does NOT mean that they are evil. More than likely, they are a wise and intelligent being looking to assist you in some way.

You really should not trust appearances.
 
Neil said:
Even if you haven't been duped by this, but just use this term to describe any higher-level being, it can be terribly confusing for other people. Even Gurdjieff does this, but he at least gives a pretty precise definition of what he's talking about so everyone knows exactly what he means.

I'm sorry. I didn't mean to confuse anyone and start them wondering in all directions. My apologies to all of you. I will work at sharpening my vocabulary to match more precisely the experiences. I realize we can't read each others minds. Will do that, thanks.
 
Panther Black said:
Nienna Eluch said:
Just wondering. You know that beauty is only skin deep, right. Just because entities are beautiful and make you feel all warm and fuzzy does NOT mean that they are good. More than likely, they are the bad guys manipulating you.

You really should not trust appearances.

Hahahaa...this is truly funny. You know that ugliness is only skin deep, right? Just because an entity is ugly and makes you feel frightened (emotionally), does NOT mean that they are evil. More than likely, they are a wise and intelligent being looking to assist you in some way.

You really should not trust appearances.

I don't think Nienna Eluch was trying to be funny, and you seem to have missed the point -- she wasn't talking about "ugly" entities, since I would imagine that most people are generally inclined to be wary of them from the start. It's the "beautiful" entities that she is referring to -- because that beauty can (and most likely is) used deceptively. More generally, you can't assume that any spirit being is looking to assist you in some way -- the only way to possibly know for sure is through constant observation and testing, and even then, one has to be wary since experience and research here strongly suggests that spirit beings are not normally floating around trying to help us, and especially not without an agenda.

I know a couple people have already suggested reading The Wave, since it has information in it that is germane to this topic -- have you had a chance to start on this yet?
 
Shijing said:
I don't think Nienna Eluch was trying to be funny, and you seem to have missed the point -- she wasn't talking about "ugly" entities, since I would imagine that most people are generally inclined to be wary of them from the start. It's the "beautiful" entities that she is referring to -- because that beauty can (and most likely is) used deceptively.

yeah. Panther Black, just think of the story of the Sirens.
 
Regarding the painting and the frescoes in the monastery, it might be useful to consider Fomenko: http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=710.0

... and in particular, this post: http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=710.msg191518#msg191518

Also, the Comet Series linked from the left side (scroll down) of the sott.net main page.

Having looked at a collection of medieval images of comets collected by Victor Clube and included in his book "The Cosmic Serpent," I am inclined to the view that those paintings that are claimed by UFO people nowadays to have been "alien interactions" are more likely to be anthropomorphized Comets-as-Gods.
 
Panther Black said:
Nienna Eluch said:
Panther Black said:
Angels is just a term people! A descriptive term. Or should I just say those lovely beings who...

And devils is a descriptive term as well.

Ok?

Just wondering. You know that beauty is only skin deep, right. Just because entities are beautiful and make you feel all warm and fuzzy does NOT mean that they are good. More than likely, they are the bad guys manipulating you.

You really should not trust appearances.

Hahahaa...this is truly funny. You know that ugliness is only skin deep, right? Just because an entity is ugly and makes you feel frightened (emotionally), does NOT mean that they are evil. More than likely, they are a wise and intelligent being looking to assist you in some way.

You really should not trust appearances.

Why is this funny to you? Do you think that I am joking? This is a very serious issue. People have been taken in by beautiful, angelic looking beings for centuries when, in fact, this can be nothing more than evil types of beings choosing to look angelic and saintly just to pull the wool overs people's eyes so as to better manipulate them into going down the entropic path. This is all covered in the Wave series, with a very disturbing experience recorded by an unfortunate woman who was manipulated into letting one of the entities into her mind. Very interesting and informative.

So, as Shijing has mentioned, it is best not to trust any entity's appearance, either beautiful or ugly.

I have to say, PB, your response comes off with a rather condescending tone.
 
You say that these entities communicate things to you and tell you about people, mostly through feeling. Do these entities come by and talk to you about their home? The nature of reality? The world in which you live and your place in it? Do they try to help you grow with teachings about higher knowledge? If so, could you provide a detailed summary of the major themes, detailed enough so that we get the message but eliminating tangental irrelevancies and anecdotes? I think this would give everyone a better idea of what we're dealing with here, rather than the somewhat vague and emotional descriptions you have presented so far.
 

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