A wish for Egypt: Hope

[luke wilson]

Have a look at this NewOrleans

_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtfNM4f2-iQ&feature=related

what do you want NewOrleans?

 

[NewOrleans]

Dear Keit, Luke and P. of B.,

Thanks all for your kind and inquiring words. It doesn't take much to be civil and considerate to strangers. I know it's not meant to be anything but good advice. I can feel that. Keit, I promised I would repeat "thank you"s for every post, but thank you. I appreciate you taking the time to write to me. Insight is never easy or it wouldn't be so effective to scrub out tough soul stains. I come here with hands, heart and mind open, well, as open as I can at the moment.

But starting with the tag of being a "disturbance" is not exactly a welcome mat to a visitor. Or maybe it's got me pegged. Please! Can you give another designation or is this predetermined by 6D psychics? If only temporarily, a new individual here needs some assumption of innocence. Or until proven otherwise.Even with spies, agents, lizards, nuts cases and just plain curious people. You can relish booting them of. For 2 whole weeks now I've been asking myself if I'm a "disturbance". It's like going to a party and getting snubbed. That aside, we all have our human faults and sensitivities. We grow by first, being aware and secondly, by improvement. That's why people gravitate here for The Work.
As my evil twin says: even a Jedi Knight must change the kitty litter for their cat.

Wounded? Probably so. I'm Gay too. I used to say androgynous, but that was just being polite to Heterosexuals. Wanna peg me? Go right ahead. My heart is true and I make no apologies. Sarcastic? No, that's a misunderstanding, I never said an unkind word. Even my lame jokes are harmless, not serious ingrained low esteem. One would think, after reading Gurdjieff that high self-esteem would be a red flag, not humor. Everyone knows that when one writes on the computer blog, words lack nuance - not counting smiley face icons and such - which are so inadequate. Familiarity takes time. Words are only as sincere as the person sending them. And Newbies, as often as you try and tell them the ground rules, me included, they want to fit in before knowing the place too well. I change my plea to guilty on that one. If there are threads elsewhere I need to just look. My humble advice is that if something is introduced by a Newbie, and redundant, just point in the right direction, make a suggestion and -with all due respect and not a particle of snarkiness - skip the psychology 101 until you know them better. You might possibly be as wrong as rain dripping upwards. It's not exactly considerate unless you're trying to flush out the Psychos. Which I'd COMPLETELY understand. Three or four posts are not enough to base an opinion on fairly. So far mine have been awful. LOL

Sometimes awkward humor is not a barrier, but an antidote to life's hardships. Which is why I mentioned being a Katrina survivor. Well up next? ....Asteroids, Black Plague, Calamity! Why not laugh? It's sanity in an insane world. I saw a thread around here about seriousness - or was it humorlessness? Must reread that.

Yes, I was contemplating leaving and also requested - not demanded - what what I'd written be removed. Giving newbies the opportunity to erase their early attempts is something you might want to consider. Look back at your own first 10 posts and see if they weren't less-the-brilliant just like every new guest.

That said. Mind if I stay? I don't need a party hat and lightsaber.

Oh in answer to your question: What do I want? How about winning the lottery numbers.....No seriously, I need to read. My favorite new word is COPESETIC.

 

[luke wilson]

NewOrleans,

where did you get this whole disturbance thing from? You are not a disturbance! EDIT You mean that little 'ICON' thing? OMG! Dont let it play on your mind...

You are as welcome as anyone!

No snobs here.

You seem to be 'pre-occupied' with building an identity for yourself, thinking that you'll only get accepted once you have an 'identity.'

No need for an 'identity' NewOrleans, we are all here to work to try and understand things more objectively. I think that's pretty much it. It's not a competition for who has the best 'identity.'

My humble advice is that if something is introduced by a Newbie, and redundant, just point in the right direction, make a suggestion and -with all due respect and not a particle of snarkiness - skip the psychology 101 until you know them better.

Your original post was I believe a quote to do with egypt. I read your post and moved on. I thought it was a good post. I think most read your post and moved on. Then you made another post showing your frustration at the lack of 'response' for your original post. Now, in all honesty, your 'original' post wasnt really a post looking for a 'response.' As I understood it, you were just expressing yourself. It is like an artist showing off his new painting and then getting annoyed that people arent talking about it, ignoring the fact that people might have had 'internal dialogues' with themselves and then simply moved on to whatever it is they were doing before. So, the 'psychology 101' that you mention was only an attempt from peoples side to try and 'pin down' your reason for being agitated.

Why would people want to do that?

Well because you clearly expressed your frustration thus inviting other people to express themselves back to you. Now you say people shouldnt have done this. Nobody said anything was 'redundant.' NewOrleans, I think your mind works on 'over-drive,' I dont really know what it is you want(maybe attention?) because no matter what anybody says you just complain more. Maybe something for you to think about.

From your latest reply, I gather that you dont want anybody saying anything about you or about your motives etc etc because 'we dont know you.' That is fine but why make posts that imply the contrary? I fear you are taking advantage of the human condition and setting up a bait, to welcome the attention, then to complain about the attention, then you dont get attention, then you complain about not getting attention and round and round we go in circles feeding the predator. This is a 'work' forum so people here dont tend to ignore the predator. Predator just cant come here and make this place its home and expect everyone else to fall down and worship it... Again, something else for you to think about.

Sorry for the psychology 101. I know I have fallen straight into your trap.

You are welcome, as anyone else is, to come and utilise the 'tools' available here inorder to try and build a more objective view of the world and yourself. But, there are rules. One of the rules, be it unwritten, is that people will point out the predator or 'anything that resembles it' when they see it. If you dont like looking at your predator, then well, hmmm...

Look back at your own first 10 posts and see if they weren't less-the-brilliant just like every new guest.

Again, it is not about being brilliant. You seem to be pre-occupied by image. That is the domain of the predator.

NewOrleans, have you read any of the books on the recommended list? I see that you have read Gudjieff from your comments. Maybe you can read some of the psychology books? We all suffer from narcisstic wounding... Good place to start doing the work.

 

[Approaching Infinity]

But starting with the tag of being a "disturbance" is not exactly a welcome mat to a visitor. Or maybe it's got me pegged. Please! Can you give another designation or is this predetermined by 6D psychics? If only temporarily, a new individual here needs some assumption of innocence. Or until proven otherwise.Even with spies, agents, lizards, nuts cases and just plain curious people. You can relish booting them of. For 2 whole weeks now I've been asking myself if I'm a "disturbance". It's like going to a party and getting snubbed. That aside, we all have our human faults and sensitivities.

The problem is more of a language one, here, I think. One of the things we try to have here is a sense of humor: as in, not taking ourselves too seriously. Thus, the Star Wars references. Also, a disturbance in the force is not a bad thing. You could say that Neo, in the Matrix, was "a disturbance in the Matrix". While we strive to be externally considerate, there's also a point where catering to someone's "sensitivity" isn't a healthy thing, i.e. it's no good for their development. Remember what Gurdjieff said about "internal considering": in the Work, one of the goals is to put yourselves in situations where you ARE uncomfortable. That's how you come to know yourself and your mechanical reactions. So no, we're not going to change the "disturbance in the force" notice. It's a bit of humor, and by knowing the context of it, there's no reason to take offense. If you still are taking offense, it might be worthwhile to look more closely as to why that is, given all the reasons that suggest it's a waste of energy and "useless suffering".

Wounded? Probably so. I'm Gay too. I used to say androgynous, but that was just being polite to Heterosexuals. Wanna peg me? Go right ahead. My heart is true and I make no apologies.

No one here is going to "peg you". Perhaps after spending some time reading here and interacting, you'll see there's no reason to put up a defensive posture, which is understandable. When we are wounded, we learn to react to the world around us as if it were entirely threatening. But it isn't entirely so, and there ARE other ways.

Yes, I was contemplating leaving and also requested - not demanded - what what I'd written be removed. Giving newbies the opportunity to erase their early attempts is something you might want to consider. Look back at your own first 10 posts and see if they weren't less-the-brilliant just like every new guest.

Think about this possibility: if a person gets upset and deletes all their posts, not only does it break the context of discussion, valuable information can be lost in the process. That's one of the reasons the feature is disabled for newbies. You're right about "our own first 10 posts", though. The point, however, is that this is a learning environment, and what we write teaches us something. There's no place for being embarrassed about what we write here in the Work. It is what it is, and that embarrassment is an opportunity to learn, to view ourselves impartially. No one will judge you for your first posts a year in the future. We all start somewhere; it's just the way it is!

That said. Mind if I stay? I don't need a party hat and lightsaber.

Go right ahead! ;) But party hats and lightsabers are fun.

 

[NewOrleans]

Ha ha ha. sure. (smiling.)

 

[NewOrleans]

Luke and A.I., my last comment was too vague, sorry, it was meant as acknowledgment what you said (disturbance explained) and willingness to look into the details myself (about defensiveness) without further commentary. Will read more, talk less. Shall we end this thread here?

 

[anart]

Luke and A.I., my last comment was too vague, sorry, it was meant as acknowledgment what you said (disturbance explained) and willingness to look into the details myself (about defensiveness) without further commentary. Will read more, talk less. Shall we end this thread here?

Usually when someone asks to 'end a thread here' that means the last thing in the world their 'Real' self needs is to 'end the thread here'. In this case, however, I think your reading for awhile is a fantastic idea - read - attempt to apply everything you read directly to yourself and you'll end up ahead of the game.

 

[HowToBe]

Yeah, everyone here automatically starts out as a "disturbance". It's just a little forum joke (and not of the mean, ridiculing kind). I think of it as a reminder to "lighten up!" and remember that we're all in the learning process.

I don't think I can say anything else that others haven't already said. Welcome to Self-Remembering Land, where we work hard to be externally considerate yet refuse to be pushovers! ;)

 

[Aidylsun B.]

Hi NewOrleans,

It looks like you decided to hang around and I'm glad you did. Thank you for sharing about your "Katrina" experience. It was good to hear you talk about the events, where you are today and how you got there. Seems like you're a real talker and you're an artist with stories to tell. I don't post much but my experience here has been invaluable. I hope yours will be, too. Welcome!

 

[Nienna]

Yeah, everyone here automatically starts out as a "disturbance". It's just a little forum joke (and not of the mean, ridiculing kind). I think of it as a reminder to "lighten up!" and remember that we're all in the learning process.

I don't think I can say anything else that others haven't already said. Welcome to Self-Remembering Land, where we work hard to be externally considerate yet refuse to be pushovers! ;)

Well, actually, it's not a joke. If you remember in the Star Wars movies, the Emperor told Darth Vader that he could feel a "disturbance in the force." It was Luke Skywalker who was learning about his powers and was disturbing the force as a newcomer. He was very powerful and was a disturbance because he was effecting the status quo. So don't let your self-importance get the better of you. Tell that old predator to just back off :) and let you do some acquiring of knowledge.

 

[HowToBe]

Ah, thanks for the clarification, Nienna Eluch. I now vaguely remember the Emperor saying that in the movie. It seems I was accidentally repeating (in distorted form) what Approaching Infinity said;

The problem is more of a language one, here, I think. One of the things we try to have here is a sense of humor: as in, not taking ourselves too seriously. Thus, the Star Wars references. Also, a disturbance in the force is not a bad thing. You could say that Neo, in the Matrix, was "a disturbance in the Matrix". While we strive to be externally considerate, there's also a point where catering to someone's "sensitivity" isn't a healthy thing, i.e. it's no good for their development.

Oops!

For what it's worth, Neo came to mind for me as well, just before I read AI's reply. That doesn't necessarily make me clever or anything, but it's nice to read when someone else has the same thought.

Anyway, yeah, I was meaning to point out the humor aspect, although I see there wasn't a need to do so anymore. Thanks for the help. :)