above 7th density - matrix

[LIV]

i can't seem to wrap my head around the concepts of 7th density or/and prime creator. I'm really struggling with understanding this concept :(
After watching the Matrix, I noticed neo left his physical body after defeating his shadow self in so many words. by him being jacked right into the matrix at the mainframe, i'm curious to where he went after that. his memories are still in the mainframe for later use in the narrated script the machines use, but it caused me to wonder what happens after union with one? It seems they kept making references to the number 6 as if he was going to 6d. but if reality is anything close to this movie, these densities are just made up as levels in a program. so what happens if someone pulls the plug on the computer? who is the engineer of the computer and what is the world that they live in? if we're in a matrix or program or control, that menas it was crafted after an idea already in exsistence. it's like 7d is just the power cord that make the entire computer run, but who plugged it in?

(next paragraph is kind of off topicish but tied together in some weird way i can't explain)

is the trinity prime creator? crown heart sacral (knowledge, space, will) ? is the heart the source or space that exploded these two dualities? did all 3 exist together ? im so confused and these dumb questions im asking is confusing me even more :/ :( why 7 why not 9?
it seems that the control force was created at the moment there was a seperation between the trinity.

like this master database was holding all of this information that could create usable programs (oracle, architect, etc) by creating sections and scripts to tell it how to operate (structuring itself), but a virus/glitch "(what's the glitch (agent smith), who created the glitch (neo) and why was it needed?)" caused the script to not do what it was suppose to do (unbalance), and a clean slate or update was needed to get things back working again, but you need to have all the programs go back into its orginal factory setting in order to work properly again (destoying zion). is like the programs hacked and mimiced what the engineers in the real world were doing.


it sounds redundant but im trying to spit out my thoughts on how the matrix and the c's are telling the same story. but its just this nagging question at my soul like neo lol. (what is the matrix) what/who is the prime creator of not only the matrix, but the computer (multiple engineers?) and what really happens outside of the matrix?

can someone please explain this to me or help me put what i'm trying to say in better words? :(

 

[axj]

I think that the first Matrix was very inspired in how it brought forward some important truths, however I don't think that the Matrix movies contain everything there is to know. For example, I don't think that there is anything about the 7 densities in them. They are basically about waking up, liberating oneself from conditioning and becoming real in whatever world/density you are in.

 

[Ðekel]

Hi LIV,

Here's one way to look at it;

If, as has been stated by numerous sources, we are all prime creator, then perhaps the prime creator is simply Everything.

Everything that exists is creative and created by itself and by everything else.
In this case, it would have to include absolutely everything of course.

 

[lainey]

I think that the first Matrix was very inspired in how it brought forward some important truths, however I don't think that the Matrix movies contain everything there is to know. For example, I don't think that there is anything about the 7 densities in them. They are basically about waking up, liberating oneself from conditioning and becoming real in whatever world/density you are in.

Yes, my impression was that it was like a trigger to awaken people to the idea that there may be a control system in place and not necessarily explaining the whole of creation.

Hi LIV,

Here's one way to look at it;

If, as has been stated by numerous sources, we are all prime creator, then perhaps the prime creator is simply Everything.

Everything that exists is creative and created by itself and by everything else.
In this case, it would have to include absolutely everything of course.

Pretty much, I think 7 is all with no beginning or end, pure consciousness of everything. I wouldn't worry too much about trying to get your head round it though because we will probably never fully understand till we get there. I remember the C's saying once that trying to describe densities above ours to us would be like trying to explain calculus to a dog. Our minds just don't work that way yet. :)

 

[Mikey]

I think that the first Matrix was very inspired in how it brought forward some important truths, however I don't think that the Matrix movies contain everything there is to know. For example, I don't think that there is anything about the 7 densities in them. They are basically about waking up, liberating oneself from conditioning and becoming real in whatever world/density you are in.

I fully agree. The Matrix story mostly is very good to introduce certain concepts, but it also has its flaws, and analogies only go so far.

 

[LIV]

thanks guys!

transientP... why would i create the illusion of separation of self, knowing it would only create an infinite loop of pain? why would i want to keep going through these cycles of oppression? it sounds like a very sick game. i just don't see myslef punishing myself?? that's like having a baby and teaching it a bunch of bad things so they will suffer in order to understand my sufferings? i do not want my child to endure all of the bad things i have. I would create a world where they didn't have to go through what i went through.

 

[riclapaz]

Hi LIV, I'm putting my spoon here, and try to give my thoughts.

thanks guys!
transientP... why would i create the illusion of separation of self, knowing it would only create an infinite loop of pain?

Do not think there is any separation, as transientP mentioned, is everything, this includes duality, STS vs STO, both sides are God.

why would i want to keep going through these cycles of oppression?

I think I might here be free will?

it sounds like a very sick game. i just don't see myslef punishing myself??

I see it as a game, sick, it seems subjective, simply choose which side you want to play. It is possible that at some level you choose punished.

that's like having a baby and teaching it a bunch of bad things so they will suffer in order to understand my sufferings?

I'm not sure what you mean here, but I think you can make that case.

i do not want my child to endure all of the bad things i have. I would create a world where they didn't have to go through what i went through.

One may want a lot of things, but that does not mean that the other parties agree, the reasons may be many, have to go through painful situations, learn what this world is, when the incarnated soul here, had its goals comply in this incarnation, then want to change the world, I think it is not the reason,at this point, they can come advanced souls with a mission to help, but it is making fertile ground for those souls that are already ready for harvest.

I think the short answer to all your questions, they would answer with that said by the Cs:

The universe is nothing more than a school, and a school is there for all to learn, that's why everything exists.
No other reason. ;)

 

[LIV]

ahhh .... all good points riclapaz...


i just don't know why i'm having a hard grasping this concept...i mean i really struggle with it :(

it seems so simple for everyone else but i swear it tears at my soul... i just don't get it.. and i guess it hurts my feelings that i/we have to go through so much suffering in order to learn.. why do you need to learn anyway if you are all knowing.. ?

 

[riclapaz]

ahhh .... all good points riclapaz...


i just don't know why i'm having a hard grasping this concept...i mean i really struggle with it :(

it seems so simple for everyone else but i swear it tears at my soul... i just don't get it.. and i guess it hurts my feelings that i/we have to go through so much suffering in order to learn.. why do you need to learn anyway if you are all knowing.. ?

I have problems with google translator, I do not translate very well your question, a little patience LIV, if I understand the question well, here my thoughts:

I guess once we all come to the 7D, and we are all in agreement, restarting the cycle, starts again the game, this game, called evolutionary process, where all souls agree in enforcing laws , rules , etc. that this process has implicit, with this in mind, the Cs, mentioned that we were part of a fragmented soul, I must say that the creator has all knowledge, it may be true, however, still you need to undergo certain realities, gain experience, to assist the development, which are necessary for evolution.

This is a topic a bit confusing for me too, maybe someone else can explain better. :/

 

[obyvatel]

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i just don't know why i'm having a hard grasping this concept...i mean i really struggle with it :(

it seems so simple for everyone else but i swear it tears at my soul... i just don't get it.. and i guess it hurts my feelings that i/we have to go through so much suffering in order to learn.. why do you need to learn anyway if you are all knowing.. ?
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Regarding your questions - I do not know and it is not simple for me, and I would not pretend otherwise (to the best of my ability).

If this question really bugs you, then you might want to read some 4th Way literature. Start with "In Search of the Miraculous" (ISOTM) which is recommended here. You will see sections on Worlds and Laws - which in my experience is not easy to grasp. But it will - hopefully - give you some material to ask the right questions and "how" to go about seeking answers.

Then, if the question and its priority in your mind stays the same, I would suggest reading JG Bennett's "Deeper Man" which explains the worlds and laws described in ISOTM with some more clarity IMO.

Fwiw

 

[LIV]

i look into it thanks :)

 

[Ðekel]

thanks guys!

transientP... why would i create the illusion of separation of self, knowing it would only create an infinite loop of pain? why would i want to keep going through these cycles of oppression? it sounds like a very sick game. i just don't see myslef punishing myself?? that's like having a baby and teaching it a bunch of bad things so they will suffer in order to understand my sufferings? i do not want my child to endure all of the bad things i have. I would create a world where they didn't have to go through what i went through.

I understand what you mean completely. Why all the suffering ?

Perhaps if we didn't first undergo the suffering, we wouldn't end up being "wise virgins", we would be missing the wise part. I think the "wise virgins" reference can mean: Knowledgable AND non-anticipatory.

It's possible to think of all the hardship we go through as necessary to being empathic as well. What good would we eventually be as STO if we didn't understand the plight of others ? Could we understand it if we hadn't gone through the same ourselves ?

It could be that without it, we would just end up being very smart robots. And even though it is good to ultimately achieve emotional balance, still the emotional aspect of ourselves serves a purpose and is very important IMO.

riclapaz and obyvatel made very good points and suggestions.
I hope I was able to add something of worth as well.

Edit: typo

 

[goyacobol]

ahhh .... all good points riclapaz...


i just don't know why i'm having a hard grasping this concept...i mean i really struggle with it :(

it seems so simple for everyone else but i swear it tears at my soul... i just don't get it.. and i guess it hurts my feelings that i/we have to go through so much suffering in order to learn.. why do you need to learn anyway if you are all knowing.. ?

LIV,

I don't think that even the "Prime Creator" is in a static state. 7D is a constantly expanding circle of creation. I think the passage that describes that we are Prime Creator is found here:

Session 12 December

Q: (L) Carlos Castaneda talks about the "Eagle's emanations," the Eagle being, I suppose, Prime
Creator that emanates down through all the densities, and that the Nagual who can "see," sees the
Eagle as a large black and white object. Are they seeing the source, or are they seeing something on
just another density?
A: Source? There is no such thing.
Q: (L) You mean there is no Prime Creator, no origin or source of our existence?
A: You are Prime Creator.
Q: (L) But that is so esoteric... I am talking about...
A: The point is: stop filling your consciousness with monotheistic philosophies planted long ago to
imprison your being. Can't you see it by now, after all you have learned, that there is no source, there
is no leader, there is no basis, there is no overseer, etc... You literally possess, within your
consciousness profile, all the power that exists within all of creation!?! You absolutely have all that
exists, ever has, or ever will, contained within your mind. All you have to do is learn how to use it, and
at that moment, you will literally, literally, be all that is, was, and ever will be!!!!!!!!
Q: (L) That is all fine and dandy and sounds wonderful, except for one little item. You also say that the
monotheistic concepts were IMPOSED on us to prevent us from knowing this. So, if we are all that is,
how can something exist that can impose something so unpleasant on us?
A: Choices follow desire based imbalances.
Q: (L) If that is the case, why can't any one just turn off the lights, end the illusion, and everything
becomes nothing?
A: Well, first of all, everything does not become nothing. Secondly, some have already become
everything.
Q: (L) Terrific! And I understand that we are digging our way out of this particular illusion. And that is
rather profound a thing to say to someone still stuck in the mire. I really want to find out, but it is hard.
I have to think about that for a while. So, let me ask some questions for my daughter. A__ wants to
know what the core of Jupiter consists of?
A: Basal. In 3rd density it is known as irridium.

In the above quote I have struggled as well to understand how the Cs statement that "You are Prime Creator" could be true. Your dilemma has also been my dilemma.
It does kind of "tear at my soul" trying to understand such Cosmic concepts. Well, I don't really think I have the whole banana but here is my best attempt.

I think our main problem is because we still live in the 3D "time" illusion. If we were in 4D where there is no "time" I think it would be easier to grasp this concept. Since they say "some have already become everything". I would think that they mean some have gone from 6D back to 7D. Even the Cs say they are still learning. They no longer have "physicality" but exist as thought forms. It seems that if the Cs are us in the future then at some point the Cs have to be themselves in the future and finally return to 7D.

Without "time" everything exists all at once. If our perception was capable of perceiving without "time" then a "future" self returned to 7D would not be so difficult to imagine. Another thing they say:

You literally possess, within your
consciousness profile, all the power that exists within all of creation!?! You absolutely have all that
exists, ever has, or ever will, contained within your mind.

This consciousness profile is obviously not in our immediate consciousness but must be retrieved from our subconscious. That is a lot to believe to say the least. But if that is true then it explains why we have Work to clean the machine and gradually grow into the awareness of our subconscious potential.

The Cs have this to say about consciousness and "time":

The Wave Chapter 10: The Truth Is Out There, But Trust No One!

Q: (L) Where did this consciousness originate?
A: Consciousness is the absolute, the center point.
Q: (L) Where is it centered?
A: Within the Access. The prompt that begets energy.
Q: (L) Of what is this energy made? A: The consciousness.
Q: (L) Was there ever a time when this consciousness did not exist?
A: No, but there never was a time.
Q: (L) What prompted this consciousness to dream up all these illusions?
A: Need for balance. Energy cannot exist within a vacuum, therefore it must pulse. Hence you have waves.
Q: (L) What was the impetus for the need for balance? A: Not a need, per se, just a natural function.
Q: (L) Well, when you have a pulse, you have a wave, and if you have a wave, that implies time.
A: Therein lies the crux of your 3rd density illusion. Why assume that any given aspect of the pulse is not occurring simultaneously with any other. And if any are, all are. Until you once and for all break free from the illusion of time, you will not advance.

There seems to be the need to learn lessons and Work all the way back to 7D. It also requires choice of orientation towards STS or STO until you reach 6D where STS exists only for reflection. It is probably reasonable to see this Work as a step by step process. It would make more sense to think that you are not likely to jump from 3D to 7D but are most likely going graduate from 3D to 4D pause at 5D and if all the lessons are learned in 4D you would go from 5D to 6D where the Cs are us in the future.

I have already done some previous posts on the densities so I thought to save space I would just give you some links to those posts and see if they are helpful in some way.

Here are some links:

Re: Session 4 April 2015 The School

Re: Session 4 April 2015 The Cs mention souls for 1D, 2D, 3D, and 4D

Re: Session 4 April 2015 The Realm Grand Cycle

The above are not super organized but it may give some food for thought. Sorry for the scattered arrangement.

I hope you will be able to not have so much pain at the thought of "lessons". I don't think any of enjoy "lessons" like "I'm going to teach you a lesson". But then the C's say "all there is is lessons". And then they say "learning is fun". And then they also say "expect attack" and "knowledge protects".

But I try to think of "lessons" as learning from my mistakes and others mistakes and not repeating them.
"Learning is fun" when it is not based on correcting a previous mistake but learning something new and exciting.
"Expect attack" because you have been in a similar situation before and can use that "knowledge" to have an alternate plan.
"Knowledge Protects" because it creates your "awareness" data base that expands your possibilities of how to react to danger.

Hope this makes some sense,

goyacobol

 

[LIV]

umm i like wanna give u the tightest hug ever! a light bulb went off after i read those scripts again(for like the 3rd time smh) !! the part about still being a critter turned on the bulb in my head lol ... i guess i feel like this suffering is bad because im limited by time in order to grasp the lesson .. though i already made it to 7d (because im manking the conscious choice now to) .. i have to remember that im living all aspects of my self at the same time.. in my 7 d self these lifetimes and lessons are like flash or passing thought .. (my life iom living now is just one passing thought of possibillities among the inginite) but in 3d that thought seems slower because i havent grasped the bigger picture.. so that flash feels like eons due to ignorance of the whole picture..

i like how they said consciousness is like the prompt! which takes me back to the matrix.. the matrix is a very deep movie .. so many layers .. it has definitely taught me a lot .. and where to look for info..


i swear goyacobol if u were here right now u would be gasping for air right now from the tighest hug ever lol

and thanks everybody else who responded because your responses allowed me to free my mind to look at the picture different in areas i was stubborn ! group hug!

now the mission is to retain it .. :( oh boy lol

i swear this forum is the best

 

[LIV]

i hope i explained that right! :(