Advice: I want to arrange contact between Chateau and somebody I know

[Michal]

Hi,

Case: I have returning thought to arrange contact between Laura (Chateau) and one person I met 3 years ago and meeting him on courses of self development. He is trainer.

I do not want to say his name in public because I have not told him anything directly about Laura or Sott and this is my wanting not his.

1. This person I met few times and in total spend with him several hours but not face to face. Face to face was like maybe 4-5 hours. It is just to give You a sense of time for my knowing that person.

2. This guy is teaching people different things. One of his areas is NLP. His knowledge goes however further than that.

3. I feel something good from that person. My intuition tells me that he is going in direction of giving to the world. I have impression that he is rising energy of small society coming to his courses.

4. I feel also that his is not perfect and some stupidity or constriction is in him which may be something like ignorance to the facts for example well known to this Forum: diet influence on body and mind, psychopathy, other densities, history.

5. I have a dream that such a meeting would be (probably) beneficial for him especially and I guess could be beneficial for Chateau. He knows a lot about convictions - how to trace them, how to change them how to help people to change the way they thought about world. Other is related to this but more broad: personalities - tracing, challenging them, helping to integrate. Related: language, body language, physiological metaphors, linguistic metaphors.


Last year by some occasion I have given him "Secret history" by Laura. I do not know whether he read it. I asked him then if he would like to be given a gift from me. He said yes, so I considered it as not violating free will and gave him that. I did not want to tell him anything for him to choose. Now I am on another course and I want to tell him my wish at the end of it. I thought it would be right way of doing it. I have already sent PM to Laura but I am not sure about what my wanting is and how my wanting is. Is it good, bad? Why it is living in me? My thoughts about this fantasy is like this is my duty ...? something that I can , may do and maybe this is that which is some destiny for me?

Why I met him? Why him?
Why I met this forum and Laura's work? Why?

Maybe that is not my task to make people meet? I do not know. And in a fact I never did that before... as far as I remember now.
It looks like wishful thinking for me. So shall I forget about it? Shall I let people search themselves?
I am really not sure about what I am trying to do. When I am seating and thinking only I feel safe but useless or ... not doing enough. When doing something like what I suggested I can not control if it turns out to be good or bad.
I would like him to know about Chateau and I found in me that it is hard for me to accept that he will not want that.
Well I would like to do something. At least to inform. But how to do it to
first:
1. not to violate free will.
2. not to endanger anyone: or him or Chateau with some consequences which I do not see.

Could You please advise. Give some thoughts which maybe I have not considered here?
I am really confused. I can not find answer in me. Forum could be help.

What I would do if You tell me no? I want to inform him anyway but maybe the way I put my information could be discussed.
Thank You.

 

[Cosmos]

I would suggest to you that you come up to speed with what this forum and the work of the Chateau crew is all about.
have you read the wave yet ?
if you can, try to ask yourself what is driving your "passion" to get somebody to know what you would like him to know.

how can you know somebody after 4 hours especially when you don't even know yourself ?
try to external considerate the possible results of your self centered action to other people !

What I would do if You tell me no? I want to inform him anyway but maybe the way I put my information could be discussed.
Thank You.

that is kind of a strange attitude towards the network and the Chateau crew.

 

[Pierre]

I would like him to know about Chateau and I found in me that it is hard for me to accept that he will not want that.
Well I would like to do something. At least to inform. But how to do it to first:
1. not to violate free will.
2. not to endanger anyone: or him or Chateau with some consequences which I do not see.

I think you have answers to your questions right here.

Such a meeting arrangement would be inappropriate because it was not requested by none of the two parties and because it's a basic rule of safety to know someone enough before meeting him.

 

[Joe]

If this person wants to contact us Mikel, he can and should do so himself, of his own free will, as you say. I don't think there is any reason for you to bother yourself with this.

 

[ocean59]

I have returning thought to arrange contact between Laura (Chateau) and one person I met 3 years ago

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Why I met him? Why him?
Why I met this forum and Laura's work? Why?

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I would like him to know about Chateau and I found in me that it is hard for me to accept that he will not want that.
Well I would like to do something. At least to inform.

Perhaps it would be more productive for you to question the source of these thoughts?

Why do you feel the need to introduce a stranger you do not even know to the very close and personal family at the Chateau (who is constantly under attack from forces seen and unseen)? For what possible reason?

Maybe ask not why did you meet him, but why do you think the way that you think? From where do the returning thoughts come from to 'want to do these things' you know nothing about? It would seem there is something more to these behaviors than meets the eye, IMO.

 

[Michal]

Hi,

Thank You.
I have a feeling about myself that I am trying to do some good and with good intention - and I know when I think about this that this is not enough. I am opening here myself with a bit of shame that "I am silly and I do not see it". I know that my shame may block me from asking for feedback. And same with enthusiasm for action which blinded me and still does I guess - enthusiasm with which I feel so sure that "I can not be wrong".
BUT, I will not allow my shame and "strange enthusiasm" to confront with reality.

My try to analyse my idea:

I have a feeling of responsibility that I should share what I know.

Then, however, it comes that I am not appropriate person to describe to him what is possibly out there (out of his box - box as I project on him).
I know that he is good in some things (really good - enthusiast part assessment (still not giving up :) )) and in my fantasy I saw him teaching Chateau how to get rid of bad convictions, how to use metaphors and read body language. And I know that it is not based on reality because I do not know reality I only know my fantasy.

It is also a feeling that I would like to make new "neurosynapse" between two cells.

Yes, arranging a meeting is experiment on live body and this from the beginning is dangerous without knowledge (sorry for very general statement - I am admitting here that I know other side of my enthusiastic will to "do something"). I do not know him and in a fact also do not know Chateau that much to know who needs what.

"It is dangerous" stated by my rational side. However my other enthusiast side had/ have motivation to push that idea despite of reality. This fantasy or thought was/ is loaded with some energy.
I may admit also that this thought is not mine like any other thought. It came. But something in me liked it. It felt on good ground maybe hitting my conviction that I am not doing enough for the world. Or maybe hit my fear that "If I would not tried to act this way I did not go to 4th density". Fear. Or maybe both. And also what I take into account - searching of my self importance - if You or him will listen to "me" it gives "me" additional value.

"I am not doing enough for the world" and "If I would not tried to act this way I did not go to 4th density" - are related convictions.
What comes from first one is: I have to do enough for the world
I have to - is a must is a rule is not an option. Some part of me want to put force on "other me" attitude to change my natural tendency (?). Violates freedom. I have to can not come from united person. "I have to" is a must as opposite to "I want". I want comes from present person. I have to comes from somebody else or is directed for "I". And question is who is saying that (like there is a person called "I" and somebody is telling "I" : "I" have to ... .
Enough - there as some criterion for person saying that to assess what is enough and what is not. There is a scale otherwise person will not see it (I assume visual assessment but maybe different). For example somebody is putting food on my plate for lunch. I have scale "by volume" :) when to say enough. This was built by experience of eating. When there was half a plate I was still hungry but when there was 3/4 I was full.
Doing enough - what I perceive as "doing enough"? What is my understanding of what must happen to feel that I have done enough? Good question for me... I have not thought about it... Hmmm what comes to me is: Quiting job, spending my money on my knowledge, finding people who wants to listen and teach, inspire and devote myself to "the world".
This view however does not take into consideration: my family - financial security for them, my responsibilities towards them and my relation with them. This conviction part "the world" does not take into account "my world" but takes only "world from fantasy" minus "my world".
This description of "enough" is like "dying" of person I know. I may say again: this view is not my thought. It came to me.
So what it does to me: is that thought beneficial for me? for others? No. Simply. When having in mind "not enough" there is state of lack. But lack of what?
What is happening in my fantasy when "I am doing enough"?
It is like "catholic" conviction about being prised in heaven. That I am not doing "good" things to have happines in this world.
"Not enough" is always suffering. I am not able to be happy with that conviction. If that is connected to one of my personalities it must have been born long time ago in my "catholic" home when I was a kid.
Solving this problem and still having this conviction is paradoxical: when I do enough I suffer. When I do not enough - I suffer. Wow! Super programme.
So how to change it? To teach myself once again good way of thinking. How?
1. Tracing personality. Or Castaneda's "stalking" this person. Find out who is he/she. Where he/she is coming from. When he/she was "born". What to do to make this person: go to the light, integrate, take responsibility for him/her. (I have a feeling that this is her - maybe my mother)
2. Challenging conviction by:
2.1. finding counter examples in my life that I have done "enough".
2.2. Realising what "the world" really means in my case (not whole globe but my real world; not a fantasy but my real relations, contexts)
2.3. Changing conviction for example to: I am giving to the world whenever I learn, whenever I gain knowledge, whenever I am becoming example, evidence of being happy, healthy, free, loving, accepting, understanding, calming etc.

Anyway I want to change that conviction :)

Self importance

And also what I take into account - searching of my self importance - if You or him will listen to "me" it gives "me" additional value.

Gives me additional value because I think that I do not have it now?
"It gives me" - what gives me? - this action of listening? Or other way: when I get evidence of being inspiration to others I will feel better because this will be evidence of acceptance from others.
Conviction in the background: they are not accepting me. Translate into "Some part of me does not accept other part of me".
Which parts are playing those roles? "Me" and "they".
I give myself acceptance when ... ? What comes to me is that: I give myself acceptance when I "see" that "others" "accept" me.
See - how I see it?: There are people around me who are watching me and smiling and saying "nice" things about me and confirm that my presence among them is wanted.
Others - what others? others who?: Is that a beggar on the street? No. Is that a kid in the kindergarten? No. Are they unknown people in the shop or somewhere? No. I must know them. They are familiar.... Familiar. Family. ? . Well now it is automatic assumption that most likely they are my parents but this is for checking. Acceptance = giving attention in a nice way. Somebody wants me. Somebody wants my existence. But this is not acceptance, this is need or lust. If somebody needs me I feel that I accept myself? What somebody? I do not see a person behind. I do not know. Want to explore further.
Accept - how I perceive "to accept" in my case? I have asnwerd above - for me I related acceptance with being wanted, needed.
"When someone needs me "I" feel accepted". Intuition - this may be related again to my mother.
"I" = my ego , one of my persons. There is personality behind this conviction who was given attention and "acceptance" when he was acting in a way needed by someone else (who made the programme installed). He/she needs me and I feel fine. He/she does not need me and I feel lonely, excluded from society. Other aspect of this conviction is responsibility for my state of mind which is given to oustside world. I loose. How this conviction may be transferred: I accept myself :). Or other way around:
1. I am finding examples of not being needed but still accepting myself.
2. I am finding examples of being needed and still not accepting myself.
3. Finding examples of accepting myself without any outside conditions.
For further exploration.


Other thoughts about my idea
Acting this way:
1. arranging meeting of two Unknowns and observing what happens then. ... Dr. Mengele? :) I hope that is not my incarnation :)
It is the same way stupid as cruel.

2. acting through others - this was what I wanted to do. My action in this was like only impulse for others. Inspiration. Do I have right to do it that way? I have. But is it beneficial for me / others? I do not know. I do know that this would not be my action.


Conclusion:
I have found possible motivators for what I wanted to do:
1. conviction: I must do enough for the world.
2. conviction: If not doing enough I will be damned
3. I am giving myself acceptance when I am needed by somebody else.

Other thing in the background is when writing this whole story is that I feel like aggressor or invader who takes Your attention for own benefit and I feel bad with it that I am asking Your attention. I have impression like: I shall not take attention of others - this is selfish. I shall be quite and hidden. And this is for another exploration.

To all of You who read it. Thank You for Your input. Thank You for giving the place for my thoughts and for the space for my development. Thank You for possibility to grow. Although this was my "dialogue" between me and myself :) but I feel that was of some benefit to me. I have realised something talking that way to myself.

Thank You.

 

[SeekinTruth]

Perhaps consider the idea that "doing enough" is working on yourself, minding your diet, doing EE, reading and understanding how your machine works, etc.?

All the rest just keeps you running in circles and immersed in fantasies, it seems.

 

[Laura]

I would prefer that other people do not try to "arrange" anything for me: my plate is quite full, thank you very much. Such efforts never turn out well. If this guy is "on the same wavelength", then he will be actively looking and will find me. Or I would have found him. How about just doing what is right every moment and trusting the universe knows what it is doing?

 

[Nienna]

Mikel, you sure seem to have a lot of self-importance going on in your posts. Do you really think that you know what is best for everyone in the world? That's a pretty big ego. Especially since it is pretty obvious that you don't even know what is best for you.

Have you done any Work on yourself? Have you read the threads in the psychology part of the forum here?

You do not seem to understand that we are not here to "save the world". If you want to do enough for the world, you need to start with yourself. The saying, "You cannot think what you think with the way you think." is very important and until you know yourself, which is a lot of Work, you cannot help anybody.

I think that you need to take a break from trying to help others and start learning about yourself. That's the only way you can help others and the world. You can start by reading the threads mentioned above in the psychology board and the books suggested.

 

[Michal]

All right,

Laura, I feel now dismissed from my "duty".

It is strange that I really felt that it is indeed my duty. I had very weak voice against it and this was this bit of a doubt.

Yes, I wanted to save the world (and guess still want to - one of my "I"s. I guess that it is not enough to just think about it that it is stupid but need to really work that out.

Nienna Eluch - I read about self importance more and work on myself. So maybe now after changing diet is time to The Work.

Pashalis, Belibaste, Perceval, Jason and Seekin Truth thank You once again for reading this and giving input.

I have resigned from my idea of "arranging meeting".

I am coming back to work.

 

[HowToBe]

I noticed a program in myself a while back that wanted to share everything "important" that I learned with people around me immediately. I would "talk at" my brother, mom, or dad even if they weren't interested (or had lost interest) because I thought they "needed to know" these things. I still struggle with this program. But it's one thing to inform a person that certain information is available to them, and another to forcibly assume a false role as a "teacher". Trying to "teach" other people can be a way of avoiding one's own learning; a distraction fueled by self importance; a way for the Predator to shift the blame. "I don't have time to learn, I have to get these other people to learn first!" And I think the same can be true of playing "matchmaker" between your teacher and some other person (or between two teachers).

I wrote this in my journal to help remind me to fight this program: "Teach self, not others, unless asked."

I know that he is good in some things (really good - enthusiast part assessment (still not giving up :) )) and in my fantasy I saw him teaching Chateau how to get rid of bad convictions, how to use metaphors and read body language. And I know that it is not based on reality because I do not know reality I only know my fantasy.

This seems odd. It sounds like you think those at the Chateau do not already know of these things. Why do you think this? Specifically, are there any specific "bad convictions" you think they have, and why do you think this?

I don't see any reason why this person could not join the forum if he were interested in the Cassiopaea material and related subjects. Why arrange a personal meeting when such meetings are unpredictable, and even dangerous? By communicating through the forum, much time and energy can be saved for all, and the knowledge of the network gives protection. But I'm not saying you should invite this person here; remember Strategic enclosure and external consideration.

One thing that you could possibly do is just ask him if he read the book you gave him. That could tell you a lot about whether he is interested. But it may be better to leave this alone if your programs might cause you to try and "guide" him here without his asking. And remember that the predator will see asking where there is none, if that is what it wants to see!

If you really want to "save the world", maybe you should focus on saving the part of it closest to you first; yourself.

Or so I think.

Edit: Added links for external consideration and strategic enclosure and added a sentence.

 

[Michal]

HowToBe Hi,

Thank You for sharing this with me.
Yes that is also my programme to "teach others when I think I know something important" although I thought I brought it very much under control it still lives in background I see.

Anyway today was my last day of the course with mentioned trainer and I decided that when I am under influence of my programme I can not see what is. I gave up idea of teaching him or Chateau.

That is true that it is strange that I wanted him to teach Chateau because I do not see anything through my knowledge that team there is making something wrong. In my fantasy I was sure that there is something that may be shared between them. I do not want to continue that.

I was assured here that my work is through myself not through others.

Thanks for links. Need to learn more :)