Airasia QZ8501 Missing

[Joe]

Just speculating here, but let's say, hypothetically, that this flight disappeared like MH370. Knowing this, the PTB would come up with a contingency plan, since they were caught with their pants down after 370. So is it possible they will find a few bodies (random people dumped there) and wreckage (again placed for a photo op, or not even that), then say, "plane crashed, case closed"? We'll just have to wait and see how much evidence gets released.

Considered that idea myself, but ran into the problem of how they would get away with saying publicly they had recovered many bodies if they hadn't.

 

[WIN 52]

It is what we are seeing. Speculation can be a slippery slope.

We do have trustworthy information about certain struggles being played out in 3D as severe weather. This may be a result of one struggle. According to the historical satelite data of the storm the plane was trying to avoid, it was a severe one. It was done by The Weather Network showing satellite data.

In the wrong place at the wrong time?

Most Airlines have been suffering from a narrow profit margin. Likely the current fleet is getting tired. Bribes to safety inspectors are fact, in the food industry. Why not suspect most industry of doing this?

 

[Andrian]

All the news is very suspect! RT still reports 40 bodies? Why does each news report keep showing us a piece of 4 x 2 timber floating in the water? It's not like a house has crashed. This all seems very amateur and fake.

Just speculating here, but let's say, hypothetically, that this flight disappeared like MH370. Knowing this, the PTB would come up with a contingency plan, since they were caught with their pants down after 370. So is it possible they will find a few bodies (random people dumped there) and wreckage (again placed for a photo op, or not even that), then say, "plane crashed, case closed"? We'll just have to wait and see how much evidence gets released.

This is what I've been thinking all day, as the pictures I've seen so far have been of things that look like wood logs in the ocean rather than a plane piece, I've been thinking that they could not be seen as having lost two planes in the same area in the same year, let's see how this develops

To be honest when hearing about the founded dead passengers floating on the surface of the ocean i was thinking about this scenario too , that maybe the bodies found were "planted" as like the plane has crashed in the ocean, to close the case so to say.
Following this scenario we may deduce that the AirAsia QZ8501 may have the same fate as MH370 ,off course its just a speculation.
Another speculation would be that the plane indeed has crashed ,the crash caused by an atmosferic meteor explosion similar to the FLIGHT 447.
Indeed will have to wait and see how the events will develop.

 

[Andrian]

It is what we are seeing. Speculation can be a slippery slope.

You are right,

We do have trustworthy information about certain struggles being played out in 3D as severe weather. This may be a result of one struggle.

To be honest i didn't think of such a possibility ,which it sounds very plausible.

 

[aurora]

I just heard that AirAsia was advertising that "Our plane will never disappear."

 

[Dirgni]

After reading about all these airplanes in the last 2 days that have experienced technical problems and taking in consideration the tragic fate of Airasia QZ8501(which now is presumed that has crashed) it makes you wonder about the what the possible cause may be , an overhead meteor explosion or multiple overhead meteor explosions ? Sorry just a speculation from my part.

In the last 2 weeks we had extreme rains and extreme floods in Malaysia; 200 000 persons had to flee. In Indonesia there were also extreme floods. And in Phillippines they had another typhoon.

In Thailand there floods with more than 1400 villages flooded. Farther away in the north of India, there is extreme cold and fog. In Sri Lanka, there were rains, floods and land slides.

So there were some weather extremes in the same region like the flights AK6242 and QZ8501.

And in the same general region MH370 vanished whatever this means:

In my opinion they did not present anything - yet -, which would convince me that the story they presented is fact. And to tell us that piece of timber could be a part of a plane is really strange IMO. Maybe or maybe not have they found QZ8501. But you can bet that they/PTBs prepared something for another MH370 case.

 

[loreta]

What is curious is that many people in the forum, here, have thought at the same time that the 40 bodies was a fake, with fake bodies.

I just heard that AirAsia was advertising that "Our plane will never disappear."

Is this real? Almost humoristic. Very satirical advertising, satirical in the sense that when you think about the victims of the airplane that disappeared. So this is another message of the universe: don't play with the bad humor to sell tickets. You will pay for it. Don't be arrogant. Like the captain of the Titanic.

 

[Approaching Infinity]

Just speculating here, but let's say, hypothetically, that this flight disappeared like MH370. Knowing this, the PTB would come up with a contingency plan, since they were caught with their pants down after 370. So is it possible they will find a few bodies (random people dumped there) and wreckage (again placed for a photo op, or not even that), then say, "plane crashed, case closed"? We'll just have to wait and see how much evidence gets released.

Considered that idea myself, but ran into the problem of how they would get away with saying publicly they had recovered many bodies if they hadn't.

I don't know. Getting bodies wouldn't be difficult (e.g., some John/Jane Does, or just killing some people who wouldn't be missed). It's the dental/DNA records that would slightly trickier.

 

[seek10]

Just speculating here, but let's say, hypothetically, that this flight disappeared like MH370. Knowing this, the PTB would come up with a contingency plan, since they were caught with their pants down after 370. So is it possible they will find a few bodies (random people dumped there) and wreckage (again placed for a photo op, or not even that), then say, "plane crashed, case closed"? We'll just have to wait and see how much evidence gets released.

Considered that idea myself, but ran into the problem of how they would get away with saying publicly they had recovered many bodies if they hadn't.

If the PTB is planting bodies, investigators have to do take some DNA samples of individual body before they destroy bodies.

 

[luke wilson]

Just speculating here, but let's say, hypothetically, that this flight disappeared like MH370. Knowing this, the PTB would come up with a contingency plan, since they were caught with their pants down after 370. So is it possible they will find a few bodies (random people dumped there) and wreckage (again placed for a photo op, or not even that), then say, "plane crashed, case closed"? We'll just have to wait and see how much evidence gets released.

Considered that idea myself, but ran into the problem of how they would get away with saying publicly they had recovered many bodies if they hadn't.

If the PTB is planting bodies, investigators have to do take some DNA samples of individual body before they destroy bodies.

Where is the wreckage of the plane? I've seen 1 or 2 pieces of metal on the news purported to be the wreckage... where is the rest?

I agree that it would be very risky to plant dead bodies and pieces of metal in the water but, was there any opportunity for them to do so if they had to? YES! Night time.

Imagine if the plane has actually done a MH370, would the PTB actually stand around and do nothing about it? NO! (we can't have planes just vanishing into thin air!)

Can they get dead bodies? YUP. From morgues.

Would the governments over there lie on the behest of the PTB? YES! They don't even need to know bodies may have been planted... they need not know... all they know is, "oh bodies found in the water? Then case closed, they must be from the crashed plane... I mean where else would they be from".. then they run with the story in the media.

So I'm still sceptical about this latest announcement but I agree that yes, it could be as simple as the plane crashed into the sea under bad weather conditions and there are some dead bodies floating around. I think some further pieces of evidence will help ameliorate any lingering doubts.

What can I say... conspiratorial mind. :/

 

[Beorn]

Where is the wreckage of the plane? I've seen 1 or 2 pieces of metal on the news purported to be the wreckage... where is the rest?

I'm wondering the same thing. So far all I've seen them showing over and over again is what appears to be a solitary life jacket and a plank of wood. Surely there would be some actual debris if the plane has crashed

 

[mabar]

In the last 2 weeks we had extreme rains and extreme floods in Malaysia; 200 000 persons had to flee. In Indonesia there were also extreme floods. And in Phillippines they had another typhoon.

In Thailand there floods with more than 1400 villages flooded. Farther away in the north of India, there is extreme cold and fog. In Sri Lanka, there were rains, floods and land slides.

So there were some weather extremes in the same region like the flights AK6242 and QZ8501.

And in the same general region MH370 vanished whatever this means:

In my opinion they did not present anything - yet -, which would convince me that the story they presented is fact. And to tell us that piece of timber could be a part of a plane is really strange IMO. Maybe or maybe not have they found QZ8501. But you can bet that they/PTBs prepared something for another MH370 case.

When the river do not sound is because something happend or something like that, they spot around 10+ objects but they just release 3?, because they could not take pictures???? ... as for the death bodies, and "debris" it is not that incredible to me to think that it migth be from a boat or similar, there was an extreme weather, when this happends, there are boats that do not have technology to know, to hear about weather conditions, a fish boat may had gotten in the storm. I suppose I would like to think that, and not to think that they took X people, drown them and throw them into the ocean, but with psycopaths is what we would expect.

Maybe they had not found anything, but they need to tell other wise, to "calm" the waters while they invent something else.

Last of their findings: a balloon.

Wednesday, 12/31/2014 01:33 pm
AirAsia Found
First thing Viewed Basarnas When Sweep, Heart Shaped Balloon

Pangkalan Bun - National Search and Rescue Agency (Basarnas) conducting searches using KN224 ships in the Strait of Karimata, a discovery point AirAsia QZ8501 flake. When sweeping, the first thing seen is a heart-shaped balloon.

"The point coordinates of the vessel adjacent to the discovery of fragments of our track yesterday, only the coordinates of a suspicious object is more to the east. The first thing I found was a blue heart-shaped balloon. The balloon is oscillated in the left side of the ship," said Captain Ship KN224, Ahmad, Tuesday (12/30/2014).

After seeing the balloon, the ship slowed down so that the crew could evacuate the object. However, due to bad weather, the goods are not able to be evacuated.

"The ship was stopped down to avoid Basarnas crew could evacuate the object. However, strong winds and high waves make disappear balloon carrying current sink in," he said.

An hour later, said Ahmad, Basarnas returned to find objects shaped balloon, just like the first one be viewed. But this time the balloon maroon.

"Ship Basarnas again found a plastic balloon shaped like a carabao first balloon floating. Only this time the balloon maroon and on the left side of the ship. But there can also be in the evacuation," he said.

Ahmad said the current KN224 ship has docked in the bay Kumai. "At 18:15 pm the weather really does not endorse and is not allowed to sell Basarnas boat anchor. It was decided today anchored to Kumai Gulf," he said.

No further information about the balloon. Currently Basarnas has managed to evacuate some of the bodies and objects suspected QZ8501 flakes.

18:15 pm the weather was not endorse and is not allowed to sell Basarnas Ship Anchors. Finally decided today anchored to the Gulf of Kumai, Central Kalimantan.

Balloons floating in the location of the discovery of fragments QZ8501

 

[mabar]

In that area have a problem with pirate fishing, from what I found using google translate _https://id-id.facebook.com/BiruMedia/timeline BiRU - Media Informasi Kelautan dan Perikanan (Media Information Marine and Fisheries), those pirate fishing boats usually do not get near sea ports. Until they -authorities in charge- do not present more evidence, it can be anything. I am still not convinced with those airplane "debris" pics.

 

[RAJAWANG]

5 of 7 bodies recovered so far have been identified as passengers and crew of the ill-fated QZ 8501., so it seems this is a legit tragic human drama involving aviation failure. No 'funny' PTB involvement can be deduced, until a full investigation is finalized. It can possibly just be a sad 'normal' world tragedy, and we can move on without speculating without researched and objective data about the crash of QZ 8501. Esotericaly, 162 lives (tb counted) tragically finishing their schooling abruptly may mean something?? Happy New Year y'all.

 

[lilies]

Those photos of alleged plane pieces look like fishing ship parts and not parts from an airplane at all.
- Were those bodies found deliberately sprinkled there?
- How did they found time to prepare a plane stealing operation and quickly bring replacement parts for photoshoot and arrange the corpses?
- Do the bodies have smash damage?

This wasn't like jumping from a high building or a skyscraper. In best case people might have fallen from 3000 feet or 900 meter, bodies are supposed to behave more like fluid from that height.
_http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-506050/Window-cleaner-falls-47-storeys-skyscraper--survives-tell-tale.html

The original question was: I know that if you hit water at a certain speed it is supposed to crush your body like you have hit concrete. Is this the case for all liquids or is something to do with the surface tension of water and if you hit a gas in a confined space fast enough would it feel like hitting concrete?

Physicist: There’s nothing terribly special about water, and even hitting a gas fast enough would “feel like concrete”. For example, when meteors (which are fast) hit the atmosphere they generally shatter immediately.

_
_http://www.askamathematician.com/2012/07/q-why-is-hitting-water-from-a-great-height-like-hitting-concrete/

So, in a very hand-wavy way, a fast moving body hitting water (or whatever) has a higher Reynolds number, and is more waterish itself.

_http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/gen01/gen01790.htm

So splash like a tomato probably = to separated parts. If graphic photos hit the media from Kiev / Ukraine - there were waiting relatives in shock too - photos of QZ8501 bodies cannot hit the media to get a clearer picture, because of the unique situation, limited visual access to bodies, closed (to media) delivery pathways used by rescue operators and also taking photos are more controlled by government.

Ideal place/situ for constriction of information if you have something to hide.