Alfalfa leaves or Grains?

[mkrnhr]

It's about dynamics. When you contribute, it's for your benefit as it is for others benefits, and that goes through challenging assumptions, searching for data, experimentation, etc. It's a research forum at its core in any case. There is also the esoteric dimension of a balance between giving and receiving rather than only taking. You can read through the threads to see how the dynamics operates.

 

[Jacques]

Hello,

I searched the forums but didn't find this info.

I am looking to buy alfalfa from amazon. I notice they have two versions: the leaves and the grains. Both in capsule form. I was wondering what was the difference and/or which one provides better health benefits.

Thank you very much.

Have you considered sprouted alfalfa ?

 

[uno]

It's about dynamics. When you contribute, it's for your benefit as it is for others benefits, and that goes through challenging assumptions, searching for data, experimentation, etc. It's a research forum at its core in any case. There is also the esoteric dimension of a balance between giving and receiving rather than only taking. You can read through the threads to see how the dynamics operates.

If they are conducive to learning then I'm all for it. I will get to see how these exchanges happen here as navigate around the various subjects.

Well, I understand the dynamics of teach/learn - learn/teach to an extend, and their benefits. To be honest, I don't believe it necessary to violate free will to accomplish this. And what of the approach? While certain assumptions must be made, some such as "which knife did you use to kill your wife?" without first finding out if the husband was even in the house, among a dozen other preliminary details, are ones that simply 'jump" ahead too far and therefore robs one of the opportunity of seeing all the angles/pieces/perspective. This approach is also not applicable in all instances. The question asked is more of a matter of fact rather than a matter of knowledge/wisdom.

 

[uno]

Hello,

I searched the forums but didn't find this info.

I am looking to buy alfalfa from amazon. I notice they have two versions: the leaves and the grains. Both in capsule form. I was wondering what was the difference and/or which one provides better health benefits.

Thank you very much.

Have you considered sprouted alfalfa ?

I have not. great idea. Will look into this. thx

 

[herondancer]

It's about dynamics. When you contribute, it's for your benefit as it is for others benefits, and that goes through challenging assumptions, searching for data, experimentation, etc. It's a research forum at its core in any case. There is also the esoteric dimension of a balance between giving and receiving rather than only taking. You can read through the threads to see how the dynamics operates.

If they are conducive to learning then I'm all for it. I will get to see how these exchanges happen here as navigate around the various subjects.

Hi uno,

No one is questioning whether or not you've researched your issues. But you never know who you might be helping by sharing the information you've gathered that you think is helpful to you. For instance, I would be interested in learning more about your allergies, the supplements you propose to try and why you feel one form of alfalfa or another may complement them. Someone else who is reading may have an unexpected piece of helpful information, which may have nothing to do with your original question, but you would never have the chance to learn about it if you confine yourself (and others) to only the question you asked. That's one of the premises of this forum. Sharing information without restricting where it may lead. As is often said "Learning is fun!" :)

 

[anart]

uno, you appear to be getting defensive and judgmental for no reason. This does not serve you well.

If they are conducive to learning then I'm all for it. I will get to see how these exchanges happen here as navigate around the various subjects.

Well, I understand the dynamics of teach/learn - learn/teach to an extend, and their benefits. To be honest, I don't believe it necessary to violate free will to accomplish this.

This has nothing to do with free will - you are confusing concepts and coming across as someone who is offended by being treated like an adult. The interaction in this thread has as much to do with free will as a dog does with water skiing - no relation at all.

And what of the approach? While certain assumptions must be made, some such as "which knife did you use to kill your wife?" without first finding out if the husband was even in the house, among a dozen other preliminary details, are ones that simply 'jump" ahead too far and therefore robs one of the opportunity of seeing all the angles/pieces/perspective. This approach is also not applicable in all instances. The question asked is more of a matter of fact rather than a matter of knowledge/wisdom.

It is not up to the student to design the school. If you're unhappy with this forum, there are thousands of forums that you can frequent to discuss alfalfa. If you're interested in participating sincerely here, than I suggest that you empty your cup a bit and drop the judgmental and demanding attitude. Of course, it's up to you, but please understand that the world is on fire and those who are sincere about learning here have work to do.

 

[Gertrudes]

Hi uno,

Just to add to what everyone has so far said, another reason for sharing a bit more about the underlying problems that prompted you to research alfalfa is that you may find out that the premise (alfalfa will help) can be flawed and not really the ideal solution to your problems. So by sharing more you will not only help others through the experience of what you are going through, but you may also come to realize that somewhere along the way you've taken the wrong turn and need to revise other aspects of your diet and health care that you haven't even considered, and can be weighting heavily on your current problems. You can't really tell until you share :)

As a suggestion, you may want to have a look at the "Life without bread" thread, if you haven't done so already. How is it related to your question? Well, a lot of us have been experimenting with our diet and having overwhelmingly good results in overall health improvements, which is all reported on that thread.

 

[uno]

uno, you appear to be getting defensive and judgmental for no reason. This does not serve you well.

I'm not sure how you've come to those conclusions. Do you see the exchange as an argument or a discussion?

If they are conducive to learning then I'm all for it. I will get to see how these exchanges happen here as navigate around the various subjects.

Well, I understand the dynamics of teach/learn - learn/teach to an extend, and their benefits. To be honest, I don't believe it necessary to violate free will to accomplish this.

This has nothing to do with free will - you are confusing concepts and coming across as someone who is offended by being treated like an adult. The interaction in this thread has as much to do with free will as a dog does with water skiing - no relation at all.

Again, I'm not sure how you came to that. On the issue of free will, we'll have to disagree. The issue of free will is everywhere, including this thread. For the benefit of guests, what you quoted me saying is that since knowledge is nonlinear and we are on a quest of learning from the topic posted, free will is abridged when one jumps from a more elementary question to a more complex one. That is, if you go from question 1 to question 10, the interaction is not free-flowing, as previously commented. At that point, I am left with little choice as to what to do or answer. In other words, I was not part of the process of shaping the conversation up to that point. Moreover, it robs other participants/non-participants from getting the knowledge that was lost. In my expereince, not that this is the case here, this comes from an unbalanced eagerness to teach more than to learn.

I am not satisfied with your dismissal of free will in this case. That last statement you made doesn't clarify the issue nor directly addresses what you quoted of me. I can't just take your word for it, can I? ;). While my understanding of it is apparently/perhaps different from yours, my mind remains open. So it would be beneficial to all if you could explain why free will is irrelevant in this case. After all, learning is fun.

And what of the approach? While certain assumptions must be made, some such as "which knife did you use to kill your wife?" without first finding out if the husband was even in the house, among a dozen other preliminary details, are ones that simply 'jump" ahead too far and therefore robs one of the opportunity of seeing all the angles/pieces/perspective. This approach is also not applicable in all instances. The question asked is more of a matter of fact rather than a matter of knowledge/wisdom.

(1)It is not up to the student to design the school. (2)If you're unhappy with this forum, there are thousands of forums that you can frequent to discuss alfalfa. If you're interested in participating sincerely here, than I suggest that you empty your cup a bit and drop the judgmental and demanding attitude. (3)Of course, it's up to you, (4) but please understand that the world is on fire and those who are sincere about learning here have work to do.

(1) The student is the teacher, the teacher is the student. We are the creators and the created. We are one. Therefore, the student indeed designs the school. At a more shallow level, we collaborate. The question is, is the school's chosen approached followed perfectly on every instance?. It is not whether I have designed it or not.

(2) 'My way or the highway' is not conducive to learning. Specially since I have not expressed any unhappiness. I find it unnecessary to bring this up. And yet again, I do not see where I have been demanding/judgmental.

(3) See, free will is inherent everywhere :P

(4) Are we not learning? :D

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At the point in this thread where learning goes out the window, I will refrain from posting lest I get confuse with a troll.

 

[anart]

uno, you appear to be getting defensive and judgmental for no reason. This does not serve you well.

I'm not sure how you've come to those conclusions. Do you see the exchange as an argument or a discussion?

I came to these conclusions by reading your reactions to what people are trying to say to you. It's quite clear.

Again, I'm not sure how you came to that. On the issue of free will, we'll have to disagree. The issue of free will is everywhere, including this thread. For the benefit of guests, what you quoted me saying is that since knowledge is nonlinear and we are on a quest of learning from the topic posted, free will is abridged when one jumps from a more elementary question to a more complex one.

That is patently false. Free Will is not abridged when one "jumps from a more elementary question to a more complex one" - that's a rather ridiculous premise, actually. Free Will does not equate with control, uno. You are basically stating that if a conversation doesn't remain within the strict parameters that you dictate then that is a violation of free will. That is not true. What that is, is a violation of your sense of control over the conversation.

See the difference? Can you at least consider the idea that you lack relevant information and understanding, resulting in an error in your perception and thinking?

Have you read the Wave Series yet? If you intend to participate on this forum, it will be much more beneficial for you to have some basic concepts under your belt, otherwise you're going to be very uncomfortable with what you perceive as a lack of control over the conversation that results from your lack of understanding of the basic premises of this forum.

 

[uno]

uno, you appear to be getting defensive and judgmental for no reason. This does not serve you well.

I'm not sure how you've come to those conclusions. Do you see the exchange as an argument or a discussion?

I came to these conclusions by reading your reactions to what people are trying to say to you. It's quite clear.

By that reasoning, one might say, from your previous reactions and direct statements (some being unnecessary), that you are being far more judgmental. By declaring my responses defensive/judgmental based on assumptions and therefore responding in a disciplinary fashion, you are putting wood where there is no fire. And since you continue to answer in a confrontational way, as seen below, I immediately move along after posting this. It would also have been nice, not required, if you had taken the time to address each of the points I made. I think after doing so, you might have contemplated and your delivery this time would have been more in the spirit of teaching rather than winning what you perceive to be an argument.

Again, I'm not sure how you came to that. On the issue of free will, we'll have to disagree. The issue of free will is everywhere, including this thread. For the benefit of guests, what you quoted me saying is that since knowledge is nonlinear and we are on a quest of learning from the topic posted, free will is abridged when one jumps from a more elementary question to a more complex one.

That is patently false. Free Will is not abridged when one "jumps from a more elementary question to a more complex one" - that's a rather ridiculous premise, actually. Free Will does not equate with control, uno. You are basically stating that if a conversation doesn't remain within the strict parameters that you dictate then that is a violation of free will. That is not true. What that is, is a violation of your sense of control over the conversation.

See the difference? Can you at least consider the idea that you lack relevant information and understanding, resulting in an error in your perception and thinking?

Have you read the Wave Series yet? If you intend to participate on this forum, it will be much more beneficial for you to have some basic concepts under your belt, otherwise you're going to be very uncomfortable with what you perceive as a lack of control over the conversation that results from your lack of understanding of the basic premises of this forum.
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Instead of "is", I should have said "can be". The key word here is 'assumption'. If you jump far ahead with big assumptions, I believe it to be abridging of free will. To answer your question, I am in the process of reading the Wave series. Now, is it guilt you want from me?

If I am indeed incorrect about how I apply free will in this instance, I am not wrong in perception, but incorrect in concept. It is apparent that there is still something wrong with the approach I described. Whichever the case, I did say my mind was open and I am here to learn. With that admission, your teaching cap should have come on. Instead, your approach is that of 'scolding'. Therefore your message, whether correct or not, is lost in me. And there lies the tragedy.

 

[anart]

uno, I am not going to reply to you line by line because it's really very simple and you are spinning your wheels in the mud of self-importance.

When you post on this forum, you will receive feedback. You are not in control of that feedback. You are not in control of what questions are asked or what responses you receive. That's how it works. The feedback you receive here, with infinitesimal exceptions, will be given in your best interest, whether or not you understand that at the time.

If you are offended by this, then that is your problem, because none of it is offered to offend you. The time and energy necessary to respond to you at all is spent because the basic premise is that you are worth it, even if your responses indicate that you have no clue and are going to fight tooth and nail over everything said to you just because it's not said the manner that you dictate to be 'acceptable'.

Please understand this one point: just because you perceive everything through a lens of 'being offended' does not mean that anything has been offered that way. In short, until you get yourself out of your own way, there is really no reason to respond to you at all because you read everything through a lens of attack when there is no attack.

If you would like to participate here, please re-read the forum guidelines in their entirety and read the Wave Series. If you're not willing to at least make that effort, then it is time for you to find a forum on which you will be more comfortable.

If your mind is truly open then just stop - stop being offended by the things people write to you and start with the basic assumption that what is being said to you is true and for your own benefit. Relax. If you can do that, then you'll truly benefit. If not, I hope that you can find what you're looking for on another forum.

 

[Gimpy]

Hello,

I searched the forums but didn't find this info.

I am looking to buy alfalfa from amazon. I notice they have two versions: the leaves and the grains. Both in capsule form. I was wondering what was the difference and/or which one provides better health benefits.

Thank you very much.

That would depend on whether or not you're allergic to alfalfa in any form. For example: I'm allergic to most grains, that means I'd look at the greens or do a Google search on what the benefits of sprouting alfalfa would have.

Have you tried that yet? Its difficult to help you when you don't share what it is exactly you are looking for, and why.