Amazing Grace/needing some of my own right now!

[ona.alicia]

Greetings All,

I am now coming off the first four "Wave" books online (very intriguing and interesting, to say the least!), and now am just starting the "Adventures w/Cassiopaeas" series. One of the books i would also like to read for more background is "Amazing Grace". However, I cannot find it for sale anywhere new or used (Amazon, B & N, Half.com, etc.), since I guess it is out of print. I was reading in one of the threads on this forum the other day that somebody has a pdf of this book. Does anyone have a copy that is available for sale, donation or sharing? Any help would be greatly appreciated :).

I also have another question: I have been introduced to/been reading this material for close to a month now; most of it makes sense to me and rings true. I have had some similar experiences as Laura in my life, as far as people trying to block my progress in life or 'take advantage' of and perhaps go against me because I won't 'get with the program', so to speak. I am fast realizing I just can't discuss this new-found material with anyone close to me, as much as I would like to. The couple of people I have attempted to discuss some of the ideas presented in the C materials and "The Secret World" with have had very negative reactions to my interest in the information, though they "claim" to be open-minded individuals, and in fact, have had some of the very experiences described within these materials. How does one cope with the aloneness that I am feeling in that I cannot seem to share these great materials with anyone, save others on the C forum?! I know that is a sign that maybe I am not surrounded with the the kind of people that i need to be networking with. I've already being told it's a cult, that it's crazy, that I'M crazy, etc...even though none of this is true, of course. I was totally expecting these attacks, but I guess I'm wondering if anyone is in the same position as me, and if so, how do you cope with the paradigm shift?!...just wondering.

Thanks,

Ona A.

 

[knowledge_of_self]

I also have another question: I have been introduced to/been reading this material for close to a month now; most of it makes sense to me and rings true. I have had some similar experiences as Laura in my life, as far as people trying to block my progress in life or 'take advantage' of and perhaps go against me because I won't 'get with the program', so to speak. I am fast realizing I just can't discuss this new-found material with anyone close to me, as much as I would like to. The couple of people I have attempted to discuss some of the ideas presented in the C materials and "The Secret World" with have had very negative reactions to my interest in the information, though they "claim" to be open-minded individuals, and in fact, have had some of the very experiences described within these materials. How does one cope with the aloneness that I am feeling in that I cannot seem to share these great materials with anyone, save others on the C forum?! I know that is a sign that maybe I am not surrounded with the the kind of people that i need to be networking with. I've already being told it's a cult, that it's crazy, that I'M crazy, etc...even though none of this is true, of course. I was totally expecting these attacks, but I guess I'm wondering if anyone is in the same position as me, and if so, how do you cope with the paradigm shift?!...just wondering.

Hey Ona A,

I think most people on this forum (including myself) have felt exactly what you're feeling at some point or another.

For me, I learned that forcing others to understand this material before they come to it themselves is a violation of their free-will. Most will lash out at you, because of this and that's why it's important to understand concepts such as strategic enclosure and external consideration in order to avoid pain for yourself and others. It can be hard, but I think that's exactly what this network is for. I realize you asked about people outside of this network and in 'real life' but the truth is, if you stick around this network long enough you will probably end up meeting folks from this network through EE meetings, or other meetings such as the Barcelona conference in October. And you'll make friends with like minded people who will become like a new family for you. At least, that's how it's been for me, so it becomes a lot easier to deal with the loneliness.

Also, you said

I know that is a sign that maybe I am not surrounded with the the kind of people that i need to be networking with. I've already being told it's a cult, that it's crazy, that I'M crazy, etc...even though none of this is true, of course.

I'm not going to say this is true in your case, because I don't know the full details, but if you're mentioning it - it might be because some part of it is true and might be something you want to look deeper into. You should consider reading some psychology books such as the Big 5. They will help you discover more about yourself and whether the people you have chosen to surround yourself with are in fact 'vampiric' ( a term from Unholy Hungers) and that you maybe in a feeding dynamic.

Fwiw :)

 

[thevenusian]

Hi Ona A,
You are right that Amazing Grace is out of print. As far as I know, Laura is working on getting an updated version available, amongst her many other projects. When that time comes, you'll be able to find out about it here on the forum.

The problem you describe about finding difficulty sharing what you have learned here with others is pretty common and something most of us have had to contend with. You will find quite a few comments and suggestions throughout the various threads on the forum on this subject. In a nutshell, though, you got here and became interested enough to start assembling information through your own effort and curiosity. You can't provide those motivations to someone else, and without them, it is painful and uncomfortable to try and change the way one sees things. The negative reactions you're getting are probably mostly due to that.

I would encourage you to take the energy and enthusiasm you are experiencing through your encounter with these ideas and turn it toward your own self-development rather than try to get those around you to become engaged. There is a wealth of information here and much help and support for that.

 

[anart]

I know that is a sign that maybe I am not surrounded with the the kind of people that i need to be networking with.

Regarding the Work, you are exactly where you need to be - it's what you do with it that matters.

I've already being told it's a cult, that it's crazy, that I'M crazy, etc...even though none of this is true, of course. I was totally expecting these attacks,

I find that rather bizarre, actually. Why would anyone you talk to about this material, as the material itself, even suggest "it is a cult". First off, it's not and there is zero evidence to the contrary, not to mention zero suggestion or indication of such a ridiculous thing. Secondly, the only people who say such things have been told such things by pathological people. So, I find it interesting that anyone you know would say such a thing, without some suggestion of that being true. fwiw.

 

[Z...]

How does one cope with the aloneness that I am feeling in that I cannot seem to share these great materials with anyone, save others on the C forum?!

Hi Ona A.
Welcome to our forum. I am afraid this is it.
And you will soon realize it is quite enough. You can always share isolated bits and pieces of information such as health tips and research results with people in your immediate surroundings but dont even try to convey the bigger picture.
After you had so many AHA moments the urge to go out there and save all the people you know and love can be quite strong.
Most of the members of this community have been there and done that (with the T-shirt) and common consensus after these experiences is that it is counterproductive to say the least.

IMO it is the matter of personal frequency resonance vibration, you can always leave little insignificant (but sufficient) crumbs and pointers and then if the person is wired in a proper way they will surely find the way to more complete knowledge.

As for the loneliness it does get better with time, its just a question of balancing interaction with our network on one level against interaction with people in your everyday life on another level. Well at least that is my experience.
In fact you shouldn't shun the outside world as it is the place where you were put for certain reason in order to master certain lessons, you just need to develop certain sense in order to be able to "be in this world but not to be of this world" as C's put it.
I hope this makes sense and helps at least a little bit.

 

[Buddy]

How does one cope with the aloneness that I am feeling in that I cannot seem to share these great materials with anyone, save others on the C forum?! I know that is a sign that maybe I am not surrounded with the the kind of people that i need to be networking with. I've already being told it's a cult, that it's crazy, that I'M crazy, etc...even though none of this is true, of course. I was totally expecting these attacks, but I guess I'm wondering if anyone is in the same position as me, and if so, how do you cope with the paradigm shift?!...just wondering.

Thanks,

Ona A.

Hi Ona. If you feel you need other people's approval to be involved in some kind of higher learning, you must first understand that nothing in society or in human psychology is set up to allow much deviation from the established "norm". This is what you've experienced already, OSIT. Maybe you can consider that your first lesson? Later on, you can pay this forward when you help others. :)

I think the "grace" you're looking for right now would come in the form of "taking a break" from trying to involve others in your learning.

How do I cope with the paradigm shift? By testing the Work. By swapping back and forth between learning about human psychology from the recommended reading (including Gurdjieff) on the one hand, and watching people, including myself, and networking with others in the Work to see if this stuff is really true or not.

 

[ona.alicia]

Hi,

Thanks for the insights everyone, I appreciate the viewpoints from others that have 'gone before me', so to speak :)....I just wanted to clarify a couple of points. By no ways or means have I forced the material on anyone or planned to, realizing fairly quickly from even reading about Laura's experiences, that this is not generally accepted reality for most of humankind. My experience that entailed the most negative reactions, was from a friend that not only saw a UFO (along with a few other people) up close, as it flew over their vehicle years ago....she also had an experiece while awake (as well as a dream) confronting a 9 foot tall 'Lizzie' or demon, as she put it. She told me it was 9 feet tall. I asked if I could guess on what it looked like....I queried, "reptilian"?...and she agreed. So I told her that she may be interested in some of the material that discusses these very things and suggested if she wanted, to read "The Wave". She called me a couple of days later ranting that she's a christian and this was a cult and that Laura was a psychopath; honestly, something I was shocked to hear from her, to be honest! Long story short, she didn't read much and refused to read further...or other (I suggested "The Secret History of the World" to her). She claims to be open-minded, but it was the most judgemental and narrow-minded (as well as angry!) reaction! I explained that she was judging too quickly and that it was not a 'religion' rather someone's personal experiences and research, and I let it go at that. The other negative reaction is from my boyfriend whom lives with me. He enjoys paranormal subjects and is a huge sci-fi fan, but he doesn't want 'his reality' disturbed with this material. I already realized that, before finding the C material, our relationship might not be going the distance, though we have been together for a few years. I am currently back in college and a year away from earning my Bachelors and am in no position to make a move right now. I almost definitely see it coming if something doesn't change. I honestly don't expect that though.

I just find it disheartening as to how unaware and unreceptive most people are to different ideas. I personally feel there is nothing to lose in reading many types of material; if I don't agree, I still have learned something. But I guess that is just one of the things that has divided me from others, much to my dismay, for much of my life. And so it goes....

Ona A.

 

[ona.alicia]

'...much to my dismay'. or (upon reflection) maybe NOT!

 

[obyvatel]

So I told her that she may be interested in some of the material that discusses these very things and suggested if she wanted, to read "The Wave". She called me a couple of days later ranting that she's a christian and this was a cult and that Laura was a psychopath; honestly, something I was shocked to hear from her, to be honest!

Did you ask your friend how she came to the conclusion that she did? What exactly did she read? I would think that it would be a very normal question to ask when confronted with an extreme and completely nonsensical response that you got from her.

 

[ona.alicia]

Hi Obyvatel,

I certainly tried to ask her, but she basically said, "I want to drop the subject, I'm getting angry", so I did. I am thinking that whatever she read, it disturbed the perception of her reality; why else would she have had so extreme a reaction?! Not ready for the material, I suppose....

 

[anart]

Hi Obyvatel,

I certainly tried to ask her, but she basically said, "I want to drop the subject, I'm getting angry", so I did. I am thinking that whatever she read, it disturbed the perception of her reality; why else would she have had so extreme a reaction?! Not ready for the material, I suppose....

It sounds like she's not exactly mentally stable if she gets angry discussion something she has no idea about.

 

[ona.alicia]

Anart,

Yeah, I thought her reaction was extreme. It's amazing how many people can't rationally discuss ideas and concepts without becoming emotional!

 

[Joe]

Hi Obyvatel,

I certainly tried to ask her, but she basically said, "I want to drop the subject, I'm getting angry", so I did. I am thinking that whatever she read, it disturbed the perception of her reality; why else would she have had so extreme a reaction?! Not ready for the material, I suppose....

That's really not surprising from someone who is programmed by the biggest cult around - Christianity. I know someone who, having watched on the news the tears of a middle-aged man who had been abused by priests as a child suggested that his tears were "the tears of Christ".

Don't be surprised if people you know suddenly and inexplicably throw out the word "cult" when you show an interest in anything that strays from the "official story" of everything. The "cult" word is used most often by closed-minded people in much the same way as the term "anti-semitism" is often used by those who believe that the state of Israel can do no wrong. It's a 'blunt force instrument' used to defame and thereby prevent open-minded discussion.