Ambres / Sture Johansson

worldbridger said:
Does anyone know where I can find more information about this Tarsus school or order?

At the time of St Paul, the city of Tarsus was a prosperous sea-port on the eastern Mediterranean, and the capital of the Roman imperial province of Cilicia. Today, the region of Cilicia is called Çukurova; it covers the eastern bit of the Mediterranean region of Turkey, and shares a border with Syria.

Wikipedia said:
Strabo (64/63 BC – c. AD 24) praises the cultural level of Tarsus in this period with its philosophers, poets and linguists. The schools of Tarsus rivalled Athens and Alexandria … In his time the library of Tarsus held 200,000 books, including a huge collection of scientific works.

The mention of Strabo is interesting. This man, a famous geographer of his time, was taught in Rome by someone called Athenodoros Cananites (c. 74 BC – AD 7). Athenodoros was a Stoic philosopher, who was born in Canana, a small town or village near Tarsus. This guy was politically very well-connected, being a friend of Cicero, and one of the teachers of Octavian - who was later to become the emperor Augustus. Athenodoros spent a good deal of time in Rome forging relationships with the Roman elite. And he was politically active in Tarsus too: he was instrumental in expelling the government of Boëthus and drafting a new constitution for the city, the result of which was a pro-Roman oligarchy. The suggestion has been made that Athenodoros may have been an influence on St Paul.

Mind you, it’s been suggested also that Mithraism was an influence on St Paul. H.J. Schoeps in “Paul: The Theology of the Apostle in the Light of Jewish Religious History” (originally in German, 1959, Eng. tr. 1961), points out that one of the major cults to use a blood/wine identification was Mithraism, where worship included the symbolic drinking of wine as bull’s blood, and one of the main centres of Mithraism was apparently Tarsus. But of course, as the C’s have indicated, Mithraism looks like a red herring.

The link with Mithraism was made pretty early by Celsus, a 2nd-century philosopher and opponent of Christianity. His critique of Christianity, “The True Word”, was written c. 177. In this text he writes:

Celsus said:
Now the Christians pray that after their toil and strife here below they shall enter the kingdom of heaven, and they agree with the ancient systems that there are seven heavens and that the way of the soul is through the planets. That their system is based on very old teachings may be seen from similar beliefs in the old Persian Mysteries associated with the cult of Mithras.

In 2 Corinthians 12:2, Paul describes himself being “caught up as far as the third heaven”. So there could be a veiled reference here to the possibility that he was a Mithraist. But actually, Mithraism could simply have taken this idea of Seven Heavens from one of the other Mystery religions, e.g. the Eleusinian Mysteries, the Dionysian Mysteries or the Orphic Mysteries. Or, as the C’s imply, something unknown.

Paul may have had some link with the Hypsistarians, who were active in Cappadocia, just a little way to the north of Tarsus. In the story in Acts 16:17, the slave-girl that Paul and his colleagues meet in Philippi in eastern Macedonia says that “these men are servants of the most high God”. The Hypsistarians worshipped the Hypsistos, which is Greek for the “Most High”. Like Paul, the Hypsistarians rejected the practice of circumcision. It’s been suggested that the existence of these Hypsistarians must have been partially responsible for the astounding swiftness of the spread of Pauline Christianity in Asia Minor.

Other philosophers active in Tarsus round about Paul’s time include:
Antipater of Tarsus (d. 130/129 BC), who was the head of the Stoic school in Athens;
Zeno of Tarsus (fl. 200 BC), also head of the Stoic school in Athens;
Chrysippus of Soli (c. 279 BC – c. 206 BC), another head of the Stoic school in Athens. He was a long-distance runner, a prolific author (500 lines of text per day apparently), and died from laughing too much. His link with Tarsus comes from his father, Apollonius of Tarsus, and from the fact that Soli was a Rhodian colony only a short distance along the coast from Tarsus.

The father of Athenodoros Cananites, whom we met earlier, was another philosopher, whose name was Sandon. Sandon, though, was an Orphic - as was his father Hellanikos. Hellanikos seems to have worked with another Orphic called Hieronymos in the production of the “Orphic Theogony”, a 2nd century BC text which sought to link together Orphic and Stoic ideas. So we have a strong Stoic and Orphic presence in Tarsus.

It’s interesting too that Apollonius of Tyana came from Cappadocia, just a short distance to the north. He was a Neopythagorean philosopher, and has often been compared to Jesus. He lived c. AD 15 – c. AD 100. Incidentally, the story of Baucis and Philemon is set by Ovid, in the “Metamorphoses” (completed in AD 8), in the region of Tyana. In this story, Zeus and Hermes are disguised as ordinary peasants, and begin asking the people of the town for a place to sleep that night. They are rejected by everyone until they come to Baucis and Philemon's rustic and simple cottage. Here they are treated well. As a reward, the two are told to escape to the top of a mountain, which is where they go, and escape a catastrophic flood which destroys the town. Baucis and Philemon are the only two left alive. When Paul and Barnabas come through the town of Lystra on their missionary journey, the story in Acts says that the inhabitants proclaimed them to be Hermes and Zeus (14:12). A further echo of this story is told in Genesis 19 – the story of the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah there could well have been taken from Ovid’s source. In that story two angels come along, looking like humans, and the theme of sacred hospitality is excessively prominent. And then Lot and his family are urged to “flee to the hills” (19:17), and the cities get destroyed. Perhaps there’s a northern origin for this story here.

There’s another strange northern connection here: a traveller called Demetrius of Tarsus related to Plutarch (c. AD 46 - AD 120) the tale of an expedition to the west coast of Scotland in or shortly before AD 83. He stated that it was “a gloomy journey amongst uninhabited islands”, but that he had visited one which was the retreat of holy men. A few further comments on this expedition, and its influence on Plutarch appear here:

Plutarch said:
The theme of the sleeping Cronus may have been suggested to Plutarch by Demetrius of Tarsus, who in the “De Defectu Oraculorum” (419 E – 420 A) is made to say that on an island near Britain Cronus is kept prisoner by the bonds of sleep and is guarded by Briareus and attended by Spirits who are his servitors. This Demetrius appears to have been an historical person who did travel to Britain, whence in the dialogue he is said to have recently returned; and he may have told Plutarch some Celtic legend or superstition which the latter hellenized and wove into the fabric of his myth.

So was this expedition just a one-off? Or had there been regular contact between Tarsus and Scotland for a while?

Anyway, all in all, there in Tarsus we have an enormous library rivalling the libraries of Alexandria and Pergamum, and a whole bunch of prestigious schools – Mithraic, Orphic and Stoic, with possibly some Neopythagorean influence as well. Plus, there’s the Hypsistarian factor to be aware of as well. And there’s also the vague possibility that there was some exchange of ideas between Tarsus and the far North. But who knows what was going on beneath the surface of all this intellectual, exploratory and mystical endeavour. What we have is what was recorded, and has survived. And that’s only the tip of the iceberg.

edit: clarity
 
Thanks Ottershrew.

What I was interested in particularly was the esoteric school or order of Tarsus (something I heard) that was suppose to exist at least 3000 years ago, probably much longer, and was "located" in Egypt.

As I understood the names (Antipater of Tarsus, Zeno of Tarsus) is that they came from that city, or had some position there, not that they were part of the Tarsus order, correct?

On the other hand, the text/you mentioned prestigious schools and an enormous library in connection to Tarsus, maybe there was also an esoteric order as well, but I guess it was esoteric, that is, more or less secret.

Just speculating here.

Of course, then we have the geography problem...

Worldbridger
 
worldbridger said:
What I was interested in particularly was the esoteric school or order of Tarsus (something I heard) that was suppose to exist at least 3000 years ago, probably much longer, and was "located" in Egypt.

As I understood the names (Antipater of Tarsus, Zeno of Tarsus) is that they came from that city, or had some position there, not that they were part of the Tarsus order, correct?

Thanks Worldbridger - these are interesting questions.

Where did you hear about this "esoteric school or order of Tarsus"? I've been looking on the web for this, but I haven't been able to find anything. For sure, there must have been a school of some sort in Tarsus - more or less equivalent to a university - simply because there was this enormous library there. But you're suggesting this school or order was "located" in Egypt. Are you thinking of a connection with the Royal Library at Alexandria? There was one important esoteric school there called the Therapeutae, and they're mentioned in the C's transcript here. The Therapeutae themselves seem to have had a partial origin in the Osirian Mysteries. Tim Freke and Peter Gandy, in "Jesus and the Lost Goddess", say the following about them:

Freke and Gandy said:
The Therapeutae, whom Philo describes as "like those initiated into the Mysteries of Dionysus", were based in Egypt not far from a lake where there had been major celebrations of the Mysteries of the Egyptian Godman Osiris for centuries. (Philo, "On the Contemplative Life", 11-12)

They also mention a strange story:

Freke and Gandy said:
At the end of the nineteenth century the influential Hindu guru Vivekananda was sailing across the Mediterranean Sea on a return journey to England when he had a curious dream. A very old and venerable-looking sage appeared to him, saying: "Do ye come to effect our restoration? I am one of the ancient order of Therapeutae. The truths preached by us have been given out by Christians as taught by Jesus; but for the matter of that, there was no personality by the name of Jesus ever born" (Vivekananda, "Collected Works", vol. V, 348)

Whatever we make of that - and it could be 3D or 4D STS disinfo, nevertheless it's still a datum of some sort, and it kind of matches up with what the C's are saying. Unless I've misinterpreted something ...

worldbridger said:
On the other hand, the text/you mentioned prestigious schools and an enormous library in connection to Tarsus, maybe there was also an esoteric order as well, but I guess it was esoteric, that is, more or less secret.

And for sure, it does look secret, whatever the order or school Paul was a member of. All we seem to be able to do is look for the main lines of force in esoteric studies for this period and region. Stoics seem well represented in Tarsus - although of course, a lot of the names, like Antipater and Zeno, were scholarchs in Athens. But there were Mystery religions everywhere. And the one thing we know about the Mysteries is that they were intentionally secret.
 
In my country we have a medium who has been channeling someone who calls himself Ambres, he's been doing that for approx. 35 years now. I met "him" for the first time 25 years ago and that was my so called awakening, first contact with the esoteric world. Even though he is very limited with information regarding his persona, which he says is of no importance, he has said that his last incarnation was in Egypt 3000 years ago were he was introduced by his wife (!) to the order of Tarsus. He left the order after some years because he thought that the knowledge should be available to more people, not to an elite.

There is very little documentation about his teachings, because that is the way he wants it and due to the risk of distortion and not to get caught in words (his method I guess). There are some booklets or more or less "transcripts" from people taking notes, but they are all in Swedish. Just recently a swedish award-winning documentary filmmaker made a 1 hour long movie about the medium and Ambres, which was sent during prime time on one of the national TV channels, which is more or less a sensation. And that movie is now available on Youtube and with english subtitles and www.ambresfilm.com.

I've been reading quite a lot of more or less esoteric books and Ambres is one of the few channeled entities that I consider to be genuine and of high quality, as with Cassiopaea and Ra, even though they have different "flavour" so to speak.

Even though it is of little importance of his teachings I just got curious when I read:

Q: (L) Did Paul of Tarsus belong to any philosophical school or mystical group?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Was it one of the mystery religions?

A: Similar to them but older. There are traces here and there. You have been doing well reconstructing this. You could say that this communication is part of same.

Worldbridger
 
worldbridger said:
There is very little documentation about his teachings, because that is the way he wants it and due to the risk of distortion and not to get caught in words (his method I guess). There are some booklets or more or less "transcripts" from people taking notes, but they are all in Swedish. Just recently a swedish award-winning documentary filmmaker made a 1 hour long movie about the medium and Ambres, which was sent during prime time on one of the national TV channels, which is more or less a sensation. And that movie is now available on Youtube and with english subtitles and www.ambresfilm.com.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NFc8pUwpco
is this the documentation you referring to ?

Just recently a swedish award-winning documentary filmmaker made a 1 hour long movie about the medium and Ambres, which was sent during prime time on one of the national TV channels, which is more or less a sensation

hmm ...... I don't know him or his teachings but this makes me wonder why
 
worldbridger said:
In my country we have a medium who has been channeling someone who calls himself "Ambres", he's been doing that for approx. 35 years now. I met "him" for the first time 25 years ago and that was my so called awakening, first contact with the esoteric world. Even though he is very limited with information regarding his persona, which he says is of no importance, he has said that his last incarnation was in Egypt 3000 years ago were he was introduced by his wife (!) to the order of Tarsus. He left the order after some years because he thought that the knowledge should be available to more people, not to an elite.

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Even though it is of little importance of his teachings I just got curious when I read:

C's said:
Q: (L) Did Paul of Tarsus belong to any philosophical school or mystical group?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Was it one of the mystery religions?

A: Similar to them but older. There are traces here and there. You have been doing well reconstructing this. You could say that this communication is part of same.

Thanks, worldbridger, for bringing up the subject of Sture Johansson and Ambres. I've watched some of the film, and really enjoyed it. And I thought it might be nice to put up some of what "Ambres" says on this thread, which I just copied from the film:

Sture Johansson/Ambres said:
You may feel it as a background radiation when somebody tells you, “I love you,” and you feel that it has crossed boundaries. I’m not speaking of subjective love, but of a boundless Love. You can sense it, and you will be moved. This is like a reflection into yourselves. Your reaction is like an inner cry – and you want to embrace the one who proclaimed his love.

It may be a total stranger passing you by – who with a hand, a look, or a gesture, shows you his love. It needn’t be said in words. It can just as well be said through action. A warm hand, a warm look. Being seen and accepted. Not feeling left out.

If I were to explain the Unconditional Love, it is almost impossible to use words in order to transport ourselves to the state in which the Unconditional Love exists. By doing so we break it up, we humanise it. As soon as we humanise the Unconditional Love, we are no longer in contact with it. We can only experience it and respond to it. You carry it with you – I carry it, we all carry it. The key is opening up to it. To arouse, so to speak, your inner strings, to vibrate in accord with the harmony of the Unconditional Love. Then you too will live in it.

Can you imagine if the entire world was able to live in one accord, if it could exist in one harmony? What would happen then? What would happen then? It would create gentleness, closeness and openness. It would create peace, freedom and closeness between people. Weapons would be laid down; we don’t attack the ones we love. The Unconditional Love does not tell me to get to know it. The Unconditional Love knows. And nobody can say that they are on the outside. Everybody is included in this amazing creation. No matter what plane we are on, my plane or yours, the same principle of Love permeates it. Let us rediscover it. You already carry it with you; the key is to recover it.

I love you, more than you understand. But it is not a subjective love.

This is just my personal reaction, but it seemed warm and genuine, for what it was. I was quite moved by it - especially as I've been thinking anyway very much about the boundaries that exist between people. "Ambres" seems to be talking about the Divine Cosmic Mind within a person. Looked at from one point of view, he's not saying anything new, but the sincerity was evident for all that, and quite affecting.

Of course, it's impossible to know if "Ambres" is who he says he is, whether he was a member of an "order of Tarsus" or "order of the Tarsus" - whatever that might have referred to back in c. 1000 BC. And if he says he's from Egypt, does that mean North Africa, or some other "Egypt" elsewhere? "Ambres" could just be a fictional personality.

This might sound peculiar, but it is nevertheless how ancient authors worked: they were themselves, obviously, in ordinary life - but when writing something, they became a different person. In other words, they took on a persona. That persona would match the sort of writing they were producing. To a certain extent, of course, writers still do this today - but in ancient Greece, for instance, this was a well-recognised matter.

The reason it was well-recognised (perhaps more so then than today) was because of the nature of literature. At the time, literature was held to have a sacred character to some extent. Tragedies (and comedies too) were written to be performed within the context of festivals of certain gods. And indeed, drama itself is often thought of as evolving out of sacred dramas, or enacted liturgies, or mystery plays. There's a link here, too, with the ancient Mystery religions, where a dramatic spectacle lay at the heart of initiations. Aristotle, in the "Poetics", talks about tragedy being performed to effect a catharsis in the viewers or audience. "Catharsis" of course means "purification" - so there's a religious or spiritual aspect underlying everything here.

This is obviously important when we think about the television dramas we're exposed to. They have an effect on the viewer, which, if the drama is any good, is actually a mystical event. The conscious brain is over-ridden, and some deeper layer of the psyche is affected directly. That might be for good, or for ill. The C's draw attention to this, of course, in this most recent session: some dramas have a negative effect on the viewer.

Poetry, too, had something of a sacred character - which is partly why Homer was held in such high esteem. The "Iliad" and the "Odyssey" counted as sacred literature for many Greeks, especially in the Hellenistic period (c. 300 - 100 BC). When reading these texts, we see them introduced by an invocation to the Muses; in other words, the poet was taking on a new persona. That persona was an instrument of the Muses, the divine spirit, which could enter into the poet and transform him or her into something completely different. The poet would become something like an oracle - a kind of prophet - speaking in an elegant and assured way about the things most important to us.

Which, funnily enough, is what "Ambres" is doing. Johansson takes on a completely different role or persona to do what "he" does. And he says it's nothing like going to sleep: "Ambres" takes over for perhaps three hours, and Johansson will have no knowledge of those three hours at all. Perhaps it's an instance of multiple personality disorder, or dissociative identity disorder (which is why I've put the name "Ambres" in inverted commas throughout this post). But I think this "Ambres" persona takes on a certain "oracular" character for a particular reason - it's not necessarily the case that this is a discarnate spirit (though it might be). We might instead have an aspect of Johansson himself. Or perhaps we don't quite understand (as "Ambres" himself indicates) how interconnected we all actually are.

What then do we make of the background claimed for "Ambres"? These apparently are his words, that he had been introduced by his wife in "Egypt" 3000 years ago to the "order of the Tarsus". What is this order? The tarsus, interestingly enough, is part of the foot.

William Blake, in his poem "Milton" (Book One), says:

William Blake said:
But Milton entering my Foot, I saw in the nether
Regions of the Imagination – also all men on Earth
And all in Heaven saw in the nether region of the Imagination
In Ulro beneath Beulah – the vast breach of Milton’s descent.

Elsewhere in "Milton", Blake is more specific:

William Blake said:
[...] So Milton's shadow fell
Precipitant loud thund'ring into the Sea of Time and Space.
Then first I saw him in the Zenith as a falling star
Descending perpendicular, swift as the swallow or swift:
And on my left foot falling on the tarsus, enter'd there.

These ideas are quite obscure (like much of Blake's poetry). They do have a background though in the work of Emanuel Swedenborg. It would take too long to go into this, but Swedenborg goes into the issue of the tarsus.

It's covered in some depth in this essay: Why Mrs. Blake Cried: Swedenborg, Blake, and the Sexual Basis of Spiritual Vision, by Marsha Keith Schuchard. I haven't had time to fully digest what this says - and I'm not sure if I totally believe Schuchard here - but the parallels are arresting.

edit: computer died half-way through posting this, so I've had to come back to this post to complete it. Apologies for this.
 
worldbridger said:
In my country we have a medium who has been channeling someone who calls himself Ambres, he's been doing that for approx. 35 years now. I met "him" for the first time 25 years ago and that was my so called awakening, first contact with the esoteric world. Even though he is very limited with information regarding his persona, which he says is of no importance, he has said that his last incarnation was in Egypt 3000 years ago were he was introduced by his wife (!) to the order of Tarsus. He left the order after some years because he thought that the knowledge should be available to more people, not to an elite.

Thinking about this a bit further, there is of course this, which might tie up with the name "Ambres":

Laura said:
February 19, 2000

Q: Was Stonehenge once known as the Cloister of Ambrius?

A: Yes.

Q: Who was Ambrius?

A: Druid tradition/cloak.

Q: What was it a cloak for? Who was Ambrius?

A: Not who. What.

Q: What was Ambrius?

A: They would label as a god. You might say otherwise.

An older form of Ambrius (which is much the same as the classical Ambrosius, and the modern Ambrose) is Ambres. Hence the name of the nearest town to Stonehenge is Amesbury, named after Ambrius, i.e. "Ambres" + "bury". And of course the original "Egypt" might have been Britain.
 
Thanks again Ottershrew.

"This is just my personal reaction, but it seemed warm and genuine, for what it was. I was quite moved by it - especially as I've been thinking anyway very much about the boundaries that exist between people. "Ambres" seems to be talking about the Divine Cosmic Mind within a person. Looked at from one point of view, he's not saying anything new, but the sincerity was evident for all that, and quite affecting."

This is exactly why most people, and myself, started to listen to him and still listening to him. Of course, there are a lot of other things, but one of the things he said from the beginning was that we should not put him on a pedestal or deify him, he's been very strict about that. He doesn't want followers, he will ask them in a gentle way to seek other teachers if he notice that people come to him for the "wrong" reasons.

Also, he is one of few, still after 30 years of love & light gurus, books etc, that speaks and teaches about the Work, about to get free from your self-created prison, your roles/programs. He also teaches different techniques for accessing traumas (past or present lives), chakra flow massage, breathing techniques and some other things.

Regarding Sture/Ambres: I talked with Sture about it beeing a another part of his personality and he says that if it's not Ambres, another entity, it's even more amazing because he is just an ordinary guy (carpenter actually), with 7 years of elementary school and dyslectic. For me it doesn't matter, it's the message that counts, the same goes for Laura/the C:s.

The name Ambres was given to him by his teacher in the beginning of his initiation. The reason for that was to facilitate the learning process due to the "thick skull" (teachers words!) he had. :)

Yea, I've also seen different forms reminding of Ambres, I don't know if it was a normal name in "Egypt" or just a fictitious namn serving the purpose I mentioned.

As I mentioned before, I have a transcript/booklet that has been put together "by some guy" to sort of sum up the first years of his teachings. This material is not to be considered as official material and is of course not comprehensive, but it is a sort of basics. But as Ambres has said, "it is not important at this time, but just to give you something".

Since there never has been or will be an organisation around his techings, and since no video or audio tape recording of the sessions is allowed, except for the TV movie and 2 sets of DVD/VHS tapes (in swedish), this is the only written material that is availble.

So, is there is an interest in having this booklet (100 pages A4) translated into english? Of course, I must get permission first.

Worldbridger
 
worldbridger said:
This is exactly why most people, and myself, started to listen to him and still listening to him. Of course, there are a lot of other things, but one of the things he said from the beginning was that we should not put him on a pedestal or deify him, he's been very strict about that. He doesn't want followers, he will ask them in a gentle way to seek other teachers if he notice that people come to him for the "wrong" reasons.

Sounds good.

worldbridger said:
Also, he is one of few, still after 30 years of love & light gurus, books etc, that speaks and teaches about the Work, about to get free from your self-created prison, your roles/programs. He also teaches different techniques for accessing traumas (past or present lives), chakra flow massage, breathing techniques and some other things.

It would certainly be interesting to hear what he has to say about these things, fwiw.

worldbridger said:
Regarding Sture/Ambres: I talked with Sture about it beeing a another part of his personality and he says that if it's not Ambres, another entity, it's even more amazing because he is just an ordinary guy (carpenter actually), with 7 years of elementary school and dyslectic. For me it doesn't matter, it's the message that counts, the same goes for Laura/the C:s.

For sure. Whether he's channelling a dead dude, or accessing some part of himself, or whatever, is not exactly the point - though we ought to take what Ambres says about himself as part of the data. It is, though, the message that counts, as you say.

That message is one of reassurance, osit - which is fine as far as it goes: people do perhaps need encouragement of some sort. The only red flag I got was that it perhaps wasn't challenging enough, and could be read as, "Go back to sleep, everything's okay," if Ambres' message (as contained in the film) was read as the quintessence of all there is. But as Ambres has said, incarnation brings a certain amount of friction, and that friction allows a person to grow in some way. That's okay, and again true as far as it goes. But he's not making much of the "terror of the situation" - unless, of course, he does do this at other points. And as you say, Ambres has talked about work on oneself - but what exactly does he say on this topic?

Perhaps he doesn't actually know of the terror of the situation, and can only really comment on a narrow slice of what's going on? That has to be taken as a possibility, osit. If there was an "order of Tarsus", and he left because he felt their message should be taken to a greater audience rather than kept in a small circle of "initiates", then it's conceivable that he never did hear about the bigger picture. (In saying this, I'm of course taking what Ambres says about his background at face value - but there's no way round that at the moment.)

But this is just my personal reaction here, and I realise (a) he may not have been questioned about larger concerns, (b) he may not be able to comment on such things until he's asked (free will and all that), and (c) what he says, with firm but gentle assurance, is encouraging - and some people are going to need that before anything else; they're frozen otherwise. He does give a larger context for our lives, which is great. But is that context really broad enough?

worldbridger said:
The name Ambres was given to him by his teacher in the beginning of his initiation. The reason for that was to facilitate the learning process due to the "thick skull" (teachers words!) he had. :)

Yea, I've also seen different forms reminding of Ambres, I don't know if it was a normal name in "Egypt" or just a fictitious namn serving the purpose I mentioned.

Well, there was an Ambrose of Alexandria, of course. But, as you say, Ambres was simply a name given at "initiation" (whatever that refers to). His "real" name is pretty unusual. I've no idea what to make of that. Have you any idea?

worldbridger said:
As I mentioned before, I have a transcript/booklet that has been put together "by some guy" to sort of sum up the first years of his teachings. This material is not to be considered as official material and is of course not comprehensive, but it is a sort of basics. But as Ambres has said, "it is not important at this time, but just to give you something".

Since there never has been or will be an organisation around his techings, and since no video or audio tape recording of the sessions is allowed, except for the TV movie and 2 sets of DVD/VHS tapes (in swedish), this is the only written material that is availble.

So, is there is an interest in having this booklet (100 pages A4) translated into english? Of course, I must get permission first.

Well, speaking purely for myself, I'd like to read this booklet in English. But so far as this forum goes, that's just me. It sounds like a heck of a lot of work to do, worldbridger, but seeing as nobody else has stepped up to the mark to do this, maybe it falls to you to do it? It sounds as though non-Swedish readers will never really know one way or the other about Ambres until there's more information available in their own language - and English would seem to be the most widely-used international language at the moment.

So - if you think it might be of use to other people to translate this booklet, and then disseminate in some way (with permission, obviously), then by all means go ahead: no one's stopping you. Knowledge protects - one way or the other. It wouldn't hurt to have some of this information more widely available so that, if nothing else, a better assessment could be made of it.

I'm still impressed by Ambres. And also impressed by Sture, who seemed to have little truck with the whole mediumistic scene, which he considered largely fraudulent. I just wonder if Ambres couldn't have been more challenging in some ways, and wonder why he wasn't ... He has this quiet conviction and warmth about him, which is very engaging. But he's not a bundle of laughs, though. The question has to be asked: Why is that?

But anyway, again, this is just a personal reaction.
 

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