America's Darkest Secret

brtanner said:
This is NOT conscious on the part of the self-identified elites. They NEED the energies they suck from below, as they don't see themselves as capable of creating sustaining energies from within. It is intelligent, but it's a mechanical intelligence, divorced from intuition or the energy of the compassionate heart. The decision to resist this heart energy is not awake, the misapprehended life situation of the pathological ego drives the program of attack on the deep Self.
Hi Bruce,

I noticed that you wrote that it is not conscious on the part of the self-identified elites. Being conscious is linked to knowledge, as I understand it. So just as knowledge is necessary to move 'up' on the creative STO path, so is knowledge equally necessary to move 'up' on the entropic STS path. Graduation from 3rd D STO/STS to 4th D STO/STS depends on knowledge.

Here is a diagram taken from book 3 of the wave series that might illustrate it better http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/wave12d.htm :

cabalaworld3d.jpg


So I would say, that it is indeed conscious on their behalf and also that it is more that just mechanical intelligence. OSIT
Anders
 
This is excellent stuff and should be shared far and wide I think.

Fletcher Prouty, for one, confirmed this material as early as the 1970's I think. He warned of the genocidal intentions of the ruling power elite, who were operating from a Malthusian worldview. He quoted from the Report From Iron Mountain on the Possibility and Desirability of Peace, (1967) by Leonard Lewin. Prouty, a Lt. Col. at high levels of military intelligence, was privy to the world of the power elite and exposed it to a large degree. Prouty says the worldview espoused in this book was and is the operating worldview. Prouty stated that he was always aware that the book could be a "fraud" as Lewin later claimed, or that it could be "plausibly deniable," but that the essential truth of the book remained unchanged--Prouty stood by his use of the book as the authoritative description of the elite worldview. I can find where Prouty makes this claim, if anyone is interested.

Here's a summary of the book, it's as eye opening as the article in this thread and confirms the above very well, I think. From here: http://www.hermes-press.com/lewin1.htm

This linked Wikipedia article sheds further light on this book. I think after reading this article, becoming acquainted with the nature of the material and engaging oneself in the act of rubbing the neurons together, one should have some certainty as to the truth of the report: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Report_From_Iron_Mountain

Here's a link to the full text of the Report, and below is an abbreviated summary: http://www.totse.com/en/politics/us_military/iron-mt.html

Report From Iron Mountain said:
Report From Iron Mountain on the
Possibility and Desirability of Peace, (1967)

by Leonard Lewin

The book is written as the fictional account of the experience of "John Doe," a social science professor at a large university in the Middle West. It relates how in 1963, the professor received a message from Washington telling him he had been chosen to serve on a commission of the highest importance.

Even though the book poses as a work of fiction - probably to protect the author from legal and physical danger - many think it is most likely the report of actual events. Among those who take the book to be non-fiction is outstanding military critic Colonel L. Fletcher Prouty.

The goal of the commision was ". . .to determine, accurately and realistically, the nature of the problems that would confront the United States if and when a condition of 'permanent peace' should arrive, and to draft a program for dealing with this contingency."

The caller telling the professor of his appointment did not identify himself or his agency. Doe, however, entertained no serious doubts of the authenticity of the project because he had previous experience with the excessive secrecy that surrounds quasi-government activities. The caller demonstrated an impressively complete and detailed knowledge of Doe's work and personal life.

The others mentioned as being on the commission were known to Doe by reputation. There were fifteen members in all.

Doe agreed to take the assignment and to appear at Iron Mountain, New York. Iron Mountain is an underground nuclear hideout for hundreds of large American corporations, containing emergency storage vaults for important documents. At this site, corporations (Standard Oil of New Jersey, Manufacturers Hanover Trust, Shell) maintain substitute corporate headquarters as well, where essential personnel could presumably survive and continue to work after a nuclear attack.

The commission worked regularly for over two and a half years and produced a report. Doe said the report had been suppressed - both by the Special Study Group itself and by the government interagency committee to which it had been submitted in 1966. Doe felt that the report should be made public. He disagreed only on that one point.

Commission Conclusions and Assumptions:
# Lasting peace, while not theoretically impossible, is probably unattainable. Even if it could be achieved it would almost certainly not be in the best interests of a stable society to achieve it.
# War fulfills certain functions essential to the stability of our society. Until other systems of filling them are developed, the war system must be maintained.
# Poverty is necessary and desirable.
# Standing armies are, among other things, social-welfare institutions in exactly the same sense as are old-people's homes and mental hospitals.
# The space program and the anti-missile missile and fallout shelter programs are understood to have the spending of vast sums of money as their principal goals, not the advancement of science or national defense.
# Military draft policies are only remotely concerned with defense.

Some proposals that were seriously considered:
# Organized repression of minority groups
# Reestablishment of slavery
# Deliberate intensification of air and water pollution (part of a program leading to peace)
# The idea of a real peace in the world, general disarnment and so on, was looked on as utopian. Or even crackpot.

"What they wanted from us was a different kind of thinking. It was a matter of approach. Herman Kahn calls it 'Byzantine' - no agonizing over cultural and religious values. No moral posing. It's the kind of thinking that Rand and the Hudson Institute and I.D.A. [Institute for Defense Analysis] brought into war planning. To give the same kind of treatment to the hypothetical problems of peace as they give to a hypothetical nuclear war."

"The report which follows summarizes the results of a two-and-a-half-year study of the broad problem to be anticipated in the event of a general transformation of American society to a condition lacking its most critical current characteristics: its capability and readiness to wage war when doing so is judged necessary or desirable by its political leadership."

"It is surely no exaggeration to say that a condition of general world peace would lead to changes in the social structures of the nations of the world of unparalleled and revolutionary magnitude. . . .The world is totally unprepared to meet the demands of such a situation."

The "world war industry" accounts for approximately a tenth of the output of the world's total economy.

"A national economy can absorb almost any number of subsidiary reorganizations within its total limits, providing there is no basic change in its own structure." [Evidently the possibility of changing the basic economic structure is ruled out at the outset.]

"Given genuine agreement of intent among the great powers, the scheduling of arms control and elimination present no inherently insurmountable procedural problems."

"No major power can proceed with such a program, however, until it has developed an econonic conversion plan fully integrated with each phase of disarmament. No such plan has yet been develped in the United States."

"Furthermore, disarmament scenarios, like proposals for economic conversion, make no allowance for the non-military functions of war in modern societies, and offer no surrogate for these necessary functions."

" It is the incorrect assumption that war, as an institution, is subordinate to the social system it is believed to serve. "

"This misconception, although profound and far-reaching, is entirely comprehensible. Few social cliches are so unquestioningly accepted as the notion that war is an extension of diplomacy (or of politics, or of the pursuit of economic objectives)."

"The point is that the cliche is not true, and the problems of transition are indeed substantive rather than merely procedural. Although war is 'used' as an instrument of national and social policy, the fact that a society is organized for any degree of readiness for war supersedes its political and economic structure. War itself is the basic social system, within which other secondary modes of social organization conflict or conspire. It is the system which has governed most human societies of record, as it is today." [emphasis added]

"It must be emphasized that the precedence of a society's war-making potential over its other characteristics is not the result of the the 'threat' presumed to exist at any one time from other societies. This is the reverse of the basic situation; 'threats against the national interest' are usually created or accelerated to meet the changing needs of the war system. Only in comparatively recent times has it been considered politically expedient to euphemize war budgets as 'defense' requirements. The necessity for governments to distinguish between 'aggression' (bad) and "defense' (good) has been a by-product of rising literacy and rapid communication. The distinction is tactical only, a concession to the growing inadequacy of ancient war-organizing political rationales.

"Wars are not 'caused' by international conflicts of interest. Proper logical sequence would make it more often accurate to say that war-making societies require--and thus bring about--such conflicts. The capacity of a nation to make war expresses the greatest social power it can exercise; war-making, active or contemplated, is a matter of life and death on the greatest scale subject to social control. It should therefore hardly be surprising that the military institutions in each society claim its highest priorities."

". . .The 'wastefulness' of war production is exercised entirely outside the framework of the economy of supply and demand. As such, it provides the only critically large segment of the total economy that is subject to complete and arbitrary central control. If modern industrial societies can be defined as those which have developed the capacity to produce more than is required for their economic survival (regardless of the equities of distribution of goods within them), military spending can be said to furnish the only balance wheel with sufficient inertia to stabilize the advance of their economies. The fact that war is 'wasteful' is what enables it to serve this function. And the faster the economy advances, the heavier this balance wheel must be."

". . .A nation's foreign policy can have no substance if it lacks the means of enforcing its attitude toward other nations. It can do this in a credible manner only if it implies the threat of political organization for this purpose - which is to say that it is organized to some degree for war. War, then, as we have defined it to include all national activities that recognize the possibility of armed conflict, is itself the defining element of any nation's existence vis-a-vis any other nation. Since it is historically axiomatic that the existence of any form of weaponry insures its use, we have used the word 'peace' as virtually synonymous with disarmament. By the same token, 'war' is virtually synonymous with nationhood. The elimination of war implies the inevitable elimination of national sovereignty and the traditional nation-state."

"The war system not only has been essential to the existence of nations as independent political entities, but has been equally indispensable to their stable internal political structure. Without it, no government has ever been able to obtain acquiescence in its 'legitimacy,' or right to rule its society. The possibility of war provides the sense of external necessity without which no government can long remain in power. The historical record reveals one instance after another where the failure of a regime to maintain the credibility of a war threat led to its dissolution, by the forces of private interest, of reactions to social injustice, or of other disintegrative elements."

"In advanced modern democratic societies, the war system has provided political leaders with another political-economic function of increasing importance: it has served as the last great safeguard against the elimination of necessary social classes. As economic productivity increases to a level further and further above that of mininun subsistence, it becomes more and more difficult for a society to maintain distribution patterns insuring the existence of 'hewers of wood and drawers of water.' . . . Until it is developed, the continuance of the war system must be assured, if for no other reason, among others, than to preserve whatever quality and degree of poverty a society requires as an incentive, as well as to maintain the stability of its internal organization of power."

"The most obvious of these [sociological] functions is the time-honored use of military institutions to provide antisocial elements with an acceptable role in the social structure. . . . The younger, and more dangerous, of these hostile social groupings have been kept under control by the Selective Service System."

"Informed persons in this country have never accepted the official rationale for a peacetime draft - military necessity, preparedness, etc.- as worthy of serious consideration. . . .The arrmed forces in every civilization have provided the principal state-supported haven for what we now call the 'unemployable.' The typical European standing army (of fifty years ago) consisted of '. . .troops unfit for employment in commerce, industry, or agriculture, led by officers unfit to practice any legitimate profession or to conduct a business enterprise.'"

"In general, the war system provides the basic motivation for primary social organization. In so doing, it reflects on the societal level the incentives of individual human behavior. The most important of these, for social purposes, is the individual psychological rationale for allegiance to a society and its values. Allegiance requires a cause; a cause requires an enemy. This much is obvious; the critical point is that the enemy that defines the cause must seem genuinely formidable. Roughly speaking, the presumed power of the 'enemy' sufficient to warrant an individual sense of allegiance to a society must be proportionate to the size and complexity of the society. Today, of course, that power must be one of unprecedented magnitude and frightfulness."

"War provides for the periodic necessary readjustment of standards of social behavior (the 'moral climate') and for the dissipation of general boredom, one of the most consistently undervalued and unrecognized of social phenomena."

"War as an ideological clarifier. . . . Except for secondary considerations, there cannot be, to put it as simply as possible, more than two sides to a question because there cannot be more than two sides to a war."

"Experiments have been proposed to test the credibility of an out-of-our-world invasion threat; it is possible that a few of the more difficult-to-explain 'flying saucer' incidents of recent years were in fact early experiments of this kind."

"Anotber possible surrogate for the control of potential enemies of society is the reintroduction, in some form consistent with modern technology and political processes, of slavery. . . . The traditional association of slavery with ancient preindustrial cultures should not blind us to its adaptability to advanced forms of social organization, nor should its equally traditional incompatibility with Western moral and economic values. It is entirely possible that the development of a sophisticated form of slavery [slave labor camps, ideological robothood?] may be an absolute prerequisite for social control in a world at peace. As a practical matter, conversion of the code of military discipline to a euphemized form of enslavement would entail surpirisingly little revision; the logical first step would be the adoption of some form of 'universal' military service."
 
Wow. This piece is essential to understanding pathocracy/conspiracy, IMO. While the author seems to be speaking from a feminist view-point (patriarchy and the use of the world 'males' could better be described as pathocracy and 'male psychopaths and their spellbound victims), the concepts are invaluable. The pathocratic elite do NOT need to verbalize their goals to bring them to fruition. They need only imply and suggest. Their hypnotic effect influences others to carry out their goals, unknowingly. This is probably how Weizmann managed to get so much support for such a bad idea (Zionism). I'll say it again, wow.

Laura said:
THE NINE STAGES OF AMERICAN AUTOGENOCIDE

Gregory H. Stanton presented his model of Eight Stages of Genocide to the Yale University Center for International and Area Studies in 1998. It is a fine model, but he missed the biggest and most important stage: The Decision to Kill. Whether singular or collective, the decision starts the genocide.

1. Decision. Like other forms of genocide, autogenocide is a process started from the top down. The planning begins at the top of the elite patriarchal hierarchy and works its way down the social pyramid to all levels through male channels.

The decision is made in a way so it is never traced all the way to the top. To this day, no paper has ever surfaced to tie Hitler directly to ordering the holocaust.

At least 95% of all communication is non-verbal, thus the language transforms into something else, something usually less concrete and more surreal. Non-verbal communication can (and usually does) becomes or evolves into one or more of the following forms: symbolic, semantic, rhetorical, allegorical, cryptographic, metamorphic, philosophical, psychological, hypnotic, controlling, patriarchal, oppressive, numerological, occult, erotic, homoerotic, theological, prophetic, epiphanic, spiritual, so forth. Many messages with double/triple meanings are woven/hidden within these forms on non-verbal communications.

Most of the messages for autogenocide are conveyed non-verbally, indirectly or through a third-person.

The order is usually "innocent" and done in an indirect way. The elite are always surrounded with males from upper social levels and these males lean on every one of their masters' words.

The order is usually given in an informal atmosphere where the ultra rich go. The order can be given at a club, a country club, smoking room, a fancy restaurant, a sauna, a dining or meeting room of an estate, an executive bathroom, on the golf course (where much of the world's fate has been decided for decades), at "charity" functions, posh parties of the rich, so forth.

There are always lower tiers of the elite at these places, including politicians, plus business and society journalists. The males of these upper groups, plus the media (that are basically owned by the elite) and other conveyers of culture are conditioned and socialized to hear and obey the males above them in the hierarchy. That is how patriarchies work and that is how the ruling patriarchs spread their messages.

The top elite male will start a conversation about one thing and segue it into something else that leads into the "problem." Afterwards, he will make his complaint in an indirect way. He hesitates for a few moments while changing his posture, then tone of voice into a more authoritarian one. After silently and discreetly checking for responses of the male faces in the room and to make sure the right ears are listening, he adds more power to his non-verbal language: he segues from a man to a divine person as he begins to talk like the biblical-type wise man/savior of the village. Although charismatic, his language-verbal and nonverbal- gain in authority, thus high patriarchy. He is at the top of the patriarchal chain, so he must exhibit a great amount of power in a subdued, but apparent way.

After he is sure the right male ears are listening, he begins his list of complaints to strengthen and justify his original complaint. The male ears at the table, urinal, golf club, country club, boardroom, fundraiser, so forth, listen and wait for the "solution" that is really a secret command in the world of males.

Then it comes. The Man of Power will make short, casual, "benign" remarks like, "Something has to be done about this," "The numbers (statistics of growing populations that threaten power) have to change,"or "Back in other times, they knew how to fix this" (it may sound nostalgic, but this is an indirect order to solve the "problem" by using classic patriarchal methods of rule, including the patriarchal authority of violence and genocide. Never once does the patriarch offer any concrete suggestions as to how the numbers of unwanted people are to be changed. This is a phenomenon of Denial, the Ninth Stage listed below.

It is up to the elite males below the aristocratic elite to carry out the order by creating and unleashing legal, social forces at the individual/s, groups, population, so forth, designated for removal.

Right from the beginning, the media is always there, helping in every way. They disseminate the propaganda, weaken opposition by various methods including direct and indirect demonizing of the victims and those individuals/groups who support them, as explained throughout this essay, so forth.

As the order for autogenocide goes through the male channels, it will be picked up and sculpted for palatable delivery in earnest politicians' speeches of the extreme right or in the speeches of those politicians who seek the support/help of the political right, including the Christian right.

The males from the other parts of the social pyramid hear it and if they agree (particularly if they benefit from white privilege), they will repeat the mantra until it is spread throughout the entire community. This starts the denial process of the community. When everyone is in denial, almost all will ignore the truth in front of them.
 
There are some interesting things I found and wrote about in the later chapters of the Adventure Series having to do with the STS attitude toward the Divine Feminine aspect of creation, i.e. "the mother," and how this manifests in psychopathy, utilizing Ira Einhorn as an example.

btanner said:
This is NOT conscious on the part of the self-identified elites. They NEED the energies they suck from below, as they don't see themselves as capable of creating sustaining energies from within. It is intelligent, but it's a mechanical intelligence, divorced from intuition or the energy of the compassionate heart.
Gurdjieff had some interesting things to say about the mechanical nature of Evil in several exchanges with Ouspensky.

Once I was talking with G. in Moscow. I was speaking about London, where I had been staying a short while before, about the terrifying mechanization that was being developed in the big European cities and without which it was probably impossible to live and work in those immense whirling "mechanical toys."

"People are turning into machines," I said. "And no doubt sometimes they become perfect machines. But I do not believe they can think. If they tried to think, they could not have been such fine machines."

"Yes," said G., "that is true, but only partly true. It depends first of all on the question which mind they use for their work. If they use the proper mind they will be able to think even better in the midst of all their work with machines. But, again, only if they think with the proper mind."

I did not understand what G. meant by "proper mind" and understood it only much later.

"And secondly," he continued, "the mechanization you speak of is not at all dangerous. A man may be a man" (he emphasized this word), "while working with machines. There is another kind of mechanization which is much more dangerous: being a machine oneself. Have you ever thought about the fact that all peoples themselves are machines?"

"Yes," I said, "from the strictly scientific point of view all people are machines governed by external influences. But the question is, can the scientific point of view be wholly accepted?"

"Scientific or not scientific is all the same to me," said G. "I want you to understand what I am saying. Look, all those people you see," he pointed along the street, "are simply machines-nothing more."

"I think I understand what you mean," I said. "And I have often thought how little there is in the world that can stand against this form of mechanization and choose its own path."

"This is just where you make your greatest mistake," said G. "You think there is something that chooses its own path, something that can stand against mechanization; you think that not everything is equally mechanical."

"Why, of course not!" I said. "Art, poetry, thought, are phenomena of quite a different order."

"Of exactly the same order," said G. "These activities are just as mechanical as everything else. Men are machines and nothing but mechanical actions can be expected of machines."

"Very well," I said. "But are there no people who are not machines?"

"It may be that there are," said G., "only not those people you see. And you do not know them. That is what I want you to understand."

I thought it rather strange that he should be so insistent on this point. What he said seemed to me obvious and incontestable. At the same time, I had never liked such short and all-embracing metaphors. They always omitted points of difference. I, on the other hand, had always maintained differences were the most important thing and that in order to understand things it was first necessary to see the points in which they differed. So I felt that it was odd that G. insisted on an idea which seemed to be obvious provided it were not made too absolute and exceptions were admitted.

"People are so unlike one another," I said. "I do not think it would be possible to bring them all under the same heading. There are savages, there are mechanized people, there are intellectual people, there are geniuses."

"Quite right," said G., "people are very unlike one another, but the real difference between people you do not know and cannot see. The difference of which you speak simply does not exist. This must be understood. All the people you see, all the people you know, all the people you may get to know, are machines, actual machines working solely under the power of external influences, as you yourself said. Machines they are born and machines they die. How do savages and intellectuals come into this? Even now, at this very moment, while we are talking, several millions of machines are trying to annihilate one another. What is the difference between them? Where are the savages and where are the intellectuals? They are all alike . . .

"But there is a possibility of ceasing to be a machine. It is of this we must think and not about the different kinds of machines that exist. Of course there are different machines; a motorcar is a machine, a gramophone is a machine, and a gun is a machine. But what of it? It is the same thing-they are all machines."

In connection with this conversation I remember another.

"What is your opinion of modem psychology?" I once asked G. with the intention of introducing the subject of psychoanalysis which I had mistrusted from the time when it had first appeared. But G. did not let me get as far as that.

"Before speaking of psychology we must be clear to whom it refers and to whom it does not refer," he said. "Psychology refers to people, to men, to human beings. What psychology" (he emphasized the word) "can there be in relation to machines? Mechanics, not psychology, is necessary for the study of machines. That is why we begin with mechanics. It is a very long way yet to psychology."

"Can one stop being a machine?" I asked.

"Ah! That is the question," said G. "If you had asked such questions more often we might, perhaps, have got somewhere in our talks. It is possible to stop being a machine, but for that it is necessary first of all to know the machine. A machine, a real machine, does not know itself and cannot know itself. When a machine knows itself it is then no longer a machine, at least, not such a machine as it was before. It already begins to be responsible for its actions."

"This means, according to you, that a man is not responsible for his actions?" I asked.

"A man" (he emphasized this word) "is responsible. A machine is not responsible." [...]

At one of the following talks we again touched on the ways.

"For a man of Western culture," I said, "it is of course difficult to believe and to accept the idea that an ignorant fakir, a naive monk, or a yogi who has retired from life may be on the way to evolution while an educated European, armed with 'exact knowledge' and all the latest methods of investigation, has no chance whatever and is moving in a circle from which there is no escape."

"Yes, that is because people believe in progress and culture," said G. "There is no progress whatever. Everything is just the same as it was thousands, and tens of thousands, of years ago. The outward form changes. The essence does not change. Man remains just the same. 'Civilized' and 'cultured' people live with exactly the same interests as the most ignorant savages. Modem civilization is based on violence and slavery and fine words. But all these fine words about 'progress' and 'civilization' are merely words."

This of course produced a particularly deep impression on us, because it was said in 1916, when the latest manifestation of "civilization," in the form of a war such as the world had not yet seen, was continuing to grow and develop, drawing more and more millions of people into its orbit.

I remembered that a few days before this talk I had seen two enormous lorries on the Liteiny loaded to the height of the first floor of the houses with new unpainted wooden crutches. For some reason I was particularly struck by these lorries. In these mountains of crutches for legs which were not yet torn off there was a particularly cynical mockery of all the things with which people deceive themselves. Involuntarily I imagined that similar lorries were sure to be going about in Berlin, Paris, London, Vienna, Rome, and Constantinople. And, as a result, all these cities, almost all of which I knew so well and liked just because they were so different and because they supplemented and gave contrast to one another, had now become hostile both to me and to each other and separated by new walls of hatred and crime.

I spoke to our people about these lorry-loads of crutches and of my thoughts about them at a meeting.

"'What do you expect?" said G. "People are machines. Machines have to be blind and unconscious, they cannot be otherwise, and all their actions have to correspond to their nature. Everything happens. No one does anything. 'Progress' and 'civilization,' in the real meaning of these words, can appear only as the result of conscious efforts. They cannot appear as the result of unconscious mechanical actions. And what conscious effort can there be in machines? And if one machine is unconscious, then a hundred machines are unconscious, and so are a thousand machines, or a hundred thousand, or a million. And the unconscious activity of a million machines must necessarily result in destruction and extermination. It is precisely in unconscious involuntary manifestations that all evil lies. You do not yet understand and cannot imagine all the results of this evil. But the time will come when you will understand." [...]

Somebody asked at a meeting:

"How should evolution be understood?"

"The evolution of man," G. replied, "can be taken as the development in him of those powers and possibilities which never develop by themselves, that is, mechanically. Only this kind of development, only this kind of growth, marks the real evolution of man. There is, and there can be, no other kind of evolution whatever.

"We have before us man at the present moment of his development. Nature has made him such as he is, and, in large masses, so far as we can see, such he will remain. Changes likely to violate the general requirements of nature can only take place in separate units.

"In order to understand the law of man's evolution it is necessary to grasp that, beyond a certain point, this evolution is not at all necessary, that is to say, it is not necessary for nature at a given moment in its own development. To speak more precisely: the evolution of mankind corresponds to the evolution of the planets, but the evolution of the planets proceeds, for us, in infinitely prolonged cycles of time. Throughout the stretch of time that human thought can embrace, no essential changes can take place in the life of the planets, and, consequently, no essential changes can take place in the life of mankind.

"Humanity neither progresses nor evolves. What seems to us to be progress or evolution is a partial modification which can be immediately counterbalanced by a corresponding modification in an opposite direction.

"Humanity, like the rest of organic life, exists on earth for the needs and purposes of the earth. And it is exactly as it should be for the earth's requirements at the present time.

"Only thought as theoretical and as far removed from fact as modern European thought could have conceived the evolution of man to be possible apart from surrounding nature, or have regarded the evolution of man as a gradual conquest of nature. This is quite impossible. In living, in dying, in evolving, in degenerating, man equally serves the purposes of nature-or, rather, nature makes equal use, though perhaps for different purposes, of the products of both evolution and degeneration. And, at the same time, humanity as a whole can never escape from nature, for, even in struggling against nature man acts in conformity with her purposes. The evolution of large masses of humanity is opposed to nature's purposes. The evolution of a certain small percentage may be in accord with nature's purposes. Man contains within him the possibility of evolution. But the evolution of humanity as a whole, that is, the development of these possibilities in all men, or in most of them, or even in a large number of them, is not necessary for the purposes of the earth or of the planetary world in general, and it might, in fact, be injurious or fatal. There exist, therefore, special forces (of a planetary character) which oppose the evolution of large masses of humanity and keep it at the level it ought, to be.

"For instance, the evolution of humanity beyond a certain point, or, to speak more correctly, above a certain percentage, would be fatal for the moon. The moon at present feeds on organic life, on humanity. Humanity is a part of organic life; this means that humanity is food for the moon. If all men were to become too intelligent they would not want to be eaten by the moon.

"But, at the same time, possibilities of evolution exist, and they may be developed in separate individuals with the help of appropriate knowledge and methods. Such development can take place only in the interests of the man himself against, so to speak, the interests and forces of the planetary world. The man must understand this: his evolution is necessary only to himself. No one else is interested in it. And no one is obliged or intends to help him. On the contrary, the forces which oppose the evolution of large masses of humanity also oppose the evolution of individual men. A man must outwit them. And one man can outwit them, humanity cannot. You will understand later on that all these obstacles are very useful to a man; if they did not exist they would have to be created intentionally, because it is by overcoming obstacles that man develops those qualities he needs.

"This is the basis of the correct view of human evolution. There is no compulsory, mechanical evolution. Evolution is the result of conscious struggle. Nature does not need this evolution; it does not want it and struggles against it. Evolution can be necessary only to man himself when he realizes his position, realizes the possibility of changing this position, realizes that he has powers that he does not use, riches that he does not see. And, in the sense of gaining possession of these powers and riches, evolution is possible. But if all men, or most of them, realized this and desired to obtain what belongs to them by right of birth, evolution would again become impossible. What is possible for individual man is impossible for the masses.

"The advantage of the separate individual is that he is very small and that, in the economy of nature, it makes no difference whether there is one mechanical man more or less. We can easily understand this correlation of magnitudes if we imagine the correlation between a microscopic cell and our own body. The presence or absence of one cell will change nothing in the life of the body. We cannot be conscious of it, and it can have no influence on the life and functions of the organism. In exactly the same way a separate individual is too small to influence the life of the cosmic organism to which he stands in the same relation (with regard to size) as a cell stands to our own organism. And this is precisely what makes his 'evolution' possible; on this are based his 'possibilities.'

"In speaking of evolution it is necessary to understand from the outset that no mechanical evolution is possible. The evolution of man is the evolution of his consciousness. And 'consciousness' cannot evolve unconsciously. The evolution of man is the evolution of his will, and 'will' cannot evolve involuntarily. The evolution, of man is the evolution of his power of doing, and 'doing' cannot be the result of things which 'happen.' [...]

On one occasion when speaking of the orderly connectedness of everything in the universe, G. dwelt on "organic life on earth."

"To ordinary knowledge," he said, "organic life is a kind of accidental appendage violating the integrity of a mechanical system. Ordinary knowledge does not connect it with anything and draws no conclusions from the fact of its existence. But you should already understand that there is nothing accidental or unnecessary in nature and that there can be nothing; everything has a definite function; everything serves a definite purpose.

Thus organic life is an indispensable link in the chain of the worlds which cannot exist without it just as it cannot exist without them.

It has been said before that organic life transmits planetary influences of various kinds to the earth and that it serves to feed the moon and to enable it to grow and strengthen.

But the earth also is growing; not in the sense of size but in the sense of greater consciousness, greater receptivity. The planetary influences which were sufficient for her at one period of her existence become insufficient, she needs the reception of finer influences.

To receive finer influences a finer, more sensitive receptive apparatus is necessary.

Organic life, therefore, has to evolve, to adapt itself to the needs of the planets and the earth.

Likewise also the moon [a metaphor for hyperdimensional realities] can be satisfied at one period with the food which is given her by organic life of a certain quality, but afterwards the time comes when she ceases to be satisfied with this food, cannot grow on it, and begins to get hungry. Organic life must be able to satisfy this hunger, otherwise it does not fulfill its function, does not answer its purpose. This means that in order to answer its purpose organic life must evolve and stand on the level of the needs of the planets, the earth, and the moon.

"We must remember that the ray of creation, as we have taken it, from the Absolute to the moon, is like a branch of a tree-a growing branch. The end of this branch, the end out of which come new shoots, is the moon. If the moon does not grow, if it neither gives nor promises to give new shoots, it means that either the growth of the whole ray of creation will stop or that it must find another path for its growth, give out some kind of lateral branch.

At the same time from what has been said before we see that the growth of the moon depends on organic life on earth. It follows that the growth of the ray of creation depends on organic life on earth. If this organic life disappears or dies the whole branch will immediately wither, in any case all that part of the branch which lies beyond organic life. The same thing must happen, only more slowly, if organic life is arrested in its development, in its evolution, and fails to respond to the demands made upon it. The branch may wither. This must be remembered.

To the ray of creation, or let us say to its part earth-moon, exactly the same possibility of development and growth has been given as is given to each separate branch of a big tree. But the accomplishment of this growth is not at all guaranteed, it depends upon the harmonious and right action of its own tissues. The development of one tissue stops and all the others stop.

Everything that can be said of the ray of creation or of its part earth-moon equally refers to organic life on earth. Organic life on earth is a complex phenomenon in which the separate parts depend upon one another. General growth is possible only on the condition that the 'end of the branch' grows. Or, speaking more precisely, there are in organic life tissues which are evolving, and there are tissues which serve as food and medium for those which are evolving. Then there are evolving cells within the evolving tissues, and cells which serve as food and medium for those which are evolving. In each separate evolving cell there are evolving parts and there are parts which serve as food for those which are evolving. But always and in everything it must be remembered that evolution is never guaranteed, it is possible only and it can stop at any moment and in any place.

"The evolving part of organic life is humanity.

Humanity also has its evolving part but we will speak of this later; in the meantime we will take humanity as a whole.

If humanity does not evolve it means that the evolution of organic life will stop and this in its turn will cause the growth of the ray of creation to stop. At the same time if humanity ceases to evolve it becomes useless from the point of view of the aims for which it was created and as such it may be destroyed. In this way the cessation of evolution may mean the destruction of humanity.

"We have no clues from which we are able to tell in what period of planetary evolution we exist and whether the moon and the earth have time to await the corresponding evolution of organic life or not. But people who know may, of course, have exact information about it, that is, they may know at what stage in their possible evolution are the earth, the moon, and humanity. We cannot know this but we should bear in mind that the number of possibilities is never infinite.

"At the same time in examining the life of humanity as we know it historically we are bound to acknowledge that humanity is moving in a circle. In one century it destroys everything it creates in another and the progress in mechanical things of the past hundred years has proceeded at the cost of losing many other things which perhaps were much more important for it.

Speaking in general there is every reason to think and to assert that humanity is at a standstill and from a standstill there is a straight path to downfall and degeneration. A standstill means that a process has become balanced. The appearance of any one quality immediately evokes the appearance of another quality opposed to it. The growth of knowledge in one domain evokes the growth of ignorance in another; refinement on the one hand evokes vulgarity on the other; freedom in one connection evokes slavery in another; the disappearance of some superstitions evokes the appearance and the growth of others; and so on.

"Now if we recall the law of octaves we shall see that a balanced process proceeding in a certain way cannot be changed at any moment it is desired. It can be changed and set on a new path only at certain 'crossroads.' In between the 'crossroads' nothing can be done. At the same time if a process passes by a 'crossroad' and nothing happens, nothing is done, then nothing can be done afterwards and the process will continue and develop according to mechanical laws; and even if people taking part in this process foresee the inevitable destruction of everything, they will be unable to do anything. I repeat that something can be done only at certain moments which I have just called 'crossroads' and which in octaves we have called the 'intervals' mi-fa and si-do.

"Of course there are very many people who consider that the life of humanity is not proceeding in the way in which according to their views it ought to go. And they invent various theories which in their opinion ought to change the whole life of humanity. One invents one theory. Another immediately invents a contradictory theory. And both expect everyone to believe them. And many people indeed do believe either one or the other.

Life naturally takes its own course but people do not stop believing in their own or other people's theories and they believe that it is possible to do something.

All these theories are certainly quite fantastic, chiefly because they do not take into account the most important thing, namely, the subordinate part which humanity and organic life play in the world process.

Intellectual theories put man in the center of everything; everything exists for him, the sun, the stars, the moon, the earth. They even forget man's relative size, his nothingness, his transient existence, and other things. They assert that a man if he wishes is able to change his whole life, that is, to organize his life on rational principles.

And all the time new theories appear evoking in their turn opposing theories; and all these theories and the struggle between them undoubtedly constitute one of the forces which keep humanity in the state in which it is at present.

Besides, all these theories for general welfare and general equality are not only unrealizable, but they would be fatal if they were realized. Everything in nature has its aim and its purpose, both the inequality of man and his suffering.

To destroy inequality would mean destroying the possibility of evolution. To destroy suffering would mean, first, destroying a whole series of perceptions for which man exists, and second, the destruction of the 'shock,' that is to say, the force which alone can change the situation. And thus it is with all intellectual theories.

"The process of evolution, of that evolution which is possible for humanity as a whole, is completely analogous, to the process of evolution possible for the individual man. And it begins with the same thing, namely, a certain group of cells gradually becomes conscious; then it attracts to itself other cells, subordinates others, and gradually makes the whole organism serve its aims and not merely eat, drink, and sleep.

This is evolution and there can be no other kind of evolution.

In humanity as in individual man everything begins with the formation of a conscious nucleus. All the mechanical forces of life fight against the formation of this conscious nucleus in humanity, in just the same way as all mechanical habits, tastes and weaknesses fight against conscious self-remembering in man."

"Can it be said that there is a conscious force which fights against the evolution of humanity?" I asked.

"From a certain point of view it can be said," said G.

I am putting this on record because it would seem to contradict what he said before, namely, that there are only two forces struggling in the world-"consciousness" and "mechanicalness."

"Where can this force come from?" I asked.

"It would take a long time to explain," said G., "and it cannot have a practical significance for us at the present moment.

There are two processes which are sometimes called 'involutionary' and 'evolutionary.' The difference between them is the following:

An involutionary process begins consciously in the Absolute but at the next step it already becomes mechanical -and it becomes more and more mechanical as it develops;

an evolutionary process begins half-consciously but it becomes more and more conscious as its develops.

But consciousness and conscious opposition to the evolutionary process can also appear at certain moments in the, involutionary process.

From where does this consciousness come?

From the evolutionary process of course.

The evolutionary process must proceed without interruption. Any stop causes a separation from the fundamental process.

Such separate fragments of consciousnesses which have been stopped in their development can also unite and at any rate for a certain time can live by struggling against the evolutionary process.

After all it merely makes the evolutionary process more interesting.

Instead of struggling against mechanical forces there may, at certain moments, be a struggle against the intentional opposition of fairly powerful forces though they are not of course comparable with those which direct the evolutionary process.

These opposing forces may sometimes even conquer.

The reason for this consists in the fact that the forces guiding evolution have a more limited choice of means; in other words, they can only make use of certain means and certain methods. The opposing forces are not limited in their choice of means and they are able to make use of every means, even those which only give rise to a temporary success, and in the final result they destroy both evolution and involution at the point in question.

"But as I have said already, this question has no practical significance for us. It is only important for us to establish the indications of evolution beginning and the indications of evolution proceeding. And if we remember the full analogy between humanity and man it will not be difficult to establish whether humanity can be regarded as evolving.

"Are we able to say for instance that life is governed by a group of conscious people? Where are they? Who are they? We see exactly the opposite: that life is governed by those who are the least conscious, by those who are most asleep.

"Are we able to say that we observe in life a preponderance of the best, the strongest, and the most courageous elements? Nothing of the sort. On the contrary we see a preponderance of vulgarity and stupidity of all kinds.

"Are we able to say that aspirations towards unity, towards unification, can be observed in life? Nothing of the kind of course. We only see new divisions, new hostility, new misunderstandings.

"So that in the actual situation of humanity there is nothing that points to evolution proceeding. On the contrary when we compare humanity with a man we quite clearly see a growth of personality at the cost of essence, that is, a growth of the artificial, the unreal, and what is foreign, at the cost of the natural, the real, and what is one's own.

"Together with this we see a growth of automatism.

"Contemporary culture requires automatons. And people are undoubtedly losing their acquired habits of independence and turning into automatons, into parts of machines. It is impossible to say where is the end of all this and where the way out- or whether there is an end and a way out. One thing alone is certain, that man's slavery grows and increases. Man is becoming a willing slave. He no longer needs chains. He begins to grow fond of his slavery, to be proud of it. And this is the most terrible thing that can happen to a man.

"Everything I have said till now I have said about the whole of humanity. But as I pointed out before, the evolution of humanity can proceed only through the evolution of a certain group, which, in its turn, will influence and lead the rest of humanity.

"Are we able to say that such a group exists? Perhaps we can on the basis of certain signs, but in any event we have to acknowledge that it is a very small group, quite insufficient, at any rate, to subjugate the rest of humanity. Or, looking at it from another point of view, we can say that humanity is in such a state that it is unable to accept the guidance of a conscious group."

"How many people could there be in this conscious group?" someone asked.

"Only they themselves know this," said G.

"Does it mean that they all know each other?" asked the same person again.

"How could it be otherwise?" asked G. "Imagine that there are two or three people who are awake in the midst of a multitude of sleeping people. They will certainly know each other. But those who are asleep cannot know them.

How many are they? We do not know and we cannot know until we become like them. It has been clearly said before that each man can only see on the level of his own being. But two hundred conscious people, if they existed and if they found it necessary and legitimate, could change the whole of life on the earth. But either there are not enough of them, or they do not want to, or perhaps the time has not yet come, or perhaps other people are sleeping too soundly.
 
two, or three things came to mind when reading the article.

first, and this is personal, what i like most of the american political scene, at least what i know from those who write on the net, is the incissive, no-nonsense approach to analysis, regardless of political color or affiliation. i see little of that kind of uncompromising analysis in european sources i know of (disclaimer: i may be ignorant, and i dont understand russian). what i like least is their america-centrism. my dislike of their america-centrism is not so much a quesiton of personal 'taste', but that what they write about are phenomena affecting poeple everywhere. above piece posted by laura is an example of such brilliant analysis applied only to the american problems when in fact the described phenomenon is going on everywhere. i may be asking too much, even being rude, but could it not be that american dissidency is in this way abdicating their position as the intelligentsia of the - nolens volens - most important/influential country ?

second, i thought that the whole phenomenon of ponerology/ponerocracy/pathocracy/fascism/... (however one calls it) can also be understood, in a far less charitable way than lobaczewski proposes, by using the analogon of an insurgency, namely the insurgency of the insane against the rest of humanity. the accepted definition of insurgency (check wikipedia) is that of an unauthorized sublevation by violent, covert means against established authority. if we paraphrase that, we could state that "ponerocracy is the insurrection of the insane and mentally deviant against humanity and the laws dictated by human nature". lobaczewski implies as much, and we have to confess, indeed, that they have been quite successful in 'liberating' themselves from the constraints of humanity (hint: anyone ever heard the epithet inhuman applied to some person, group or their activities ?).

analyzing the activities of the ponerocracy from the viewpoint of an insurgency is useful IMO because it gives us another approach towards understanding what they are doing and what their intentions are. also, it gives us the possibility to look into past insurgencies against "established authority", their causes and their (long-term) effects and to study what they had in common before, during and after their occurence.

looking at the sublevations of the past we see that what they had in common is that those revolting had no idea what they were up to, and, perhaps with the exception of spartacus' rebellion, none succeeded in even putting any kind of real pressure on the PTB. that means, all sublevations to date have been futile. the difference of this one case is that spartacus himself had been a lower officer in the roman military so he knew something about organization, command, tactics. the error of spartacus and his people is that they resorted to open violence against the PTB thinking that they'd have a fair fight, probably never even considering that violence is the province of the PTB (and that there are far more effective ways of dealing with them than violence).

also, insurgency, rebellion, sublevation are amply documented, and reading those pieces of history could lead to some insights about /them/.
 
I received an email from Martha Rose Crow that goes into the ideas in her article. She gave me permission to post it.

Martha Rose Crow said:
Hi: I wrote the essay to throw the wild cards on the table, because people are prematurely dying in droves in America; all weathered away from the Axiom of Biological Stress Caused from poverty. Poverty is socially-engineered and when there are too many people or there is a threat to power and/or economics, patriarchies have, for thousands of years, purged the unwanted citizens with social forces, including intra seiges.

I wish someone would prove my essay wrong. Maybe then my nighmares will go away. But I know better. I'm 50 years old and hardly anyone I knew as a young adult is still alive. More, few made it to 50 and many were educated, but could never get middle-class work because there has always been a shortage of good work in America. The economist David Ricardo said it 1820 that if businesses wanted to make more profits, then reduce the costs of labor. Forcing people to work for low wages has always been the mantra of capitalism.

Sure, there are genocides going on in Darfur, Palestine, Iraq, Georgia, so forth, but how are they to stop when the world's only "super power" practices it? This is one of the biggest hypocrisies of the world. Do you know that everyone else in the world sees this autogenocide? When I first came here, I sold newspapers in the street and I had to talk to thousands of regular Dutch people, plus thousands of people from everywhere in the world. Most of them told me that they saw the genocide of American citizens by their own government. They asked me: How can the other citizens stand by and watch? People from all over the world asked me this.

I get better news about America over in Europe than I ever did in America. I've heard other Americans over here tell me the same thing. This is because the news in America is designed to control the village, including skewing and altering perception of reality and hiding the bad news, including the permanent purging.

The Minnesota state representative really did tell me that the citizen cattle had to be quietly and permanently culled because it was "survival of the richest," not the fittest. I was an activist at the time and as soon as this guy hung up on me, I called my fellow activist friend Kat. The first thing she said after, "I believe you," is "Didn't you tell him that farmers always get rid of the male cattle before the females?"

I've been watching mortality reports out of America. The people that live in the lower rungs of the hierarchy are dying in record numbers. They're killing themselves more, too. The Bush administration has been hiding government studies about mortality and poverty like they have been hiding birth control and abortion information for women. They've been busted several times for censoring (by hiding) important reports and studies, but they continue to do this. This is the America and its darkest secret that they don't want discovered until all the players have died and been replaced with new players.

Those are my thoughts. Martha Rose Crow
 
Here's some more confirmation for what Martha Rose Crow has written from Fletcher Prouty:

Martha Rose Crow said:
Most of the messages for autogenocide are conveyed non-verbally, indirectly or through a third-person.

The order is usually "innocent" and done in an indirect way. The elite are always surrounded with males from upper social levels and these males lean on every one of their masters' words.

The order is usually given in an informal atmosphere where the ultra rich go. The order can be given at a club, a country club, smoking room, a fancy restaurant, a sauna, a dining or meeting room of an estate, an executive bathroom, on the golf course (where much of the world's fate has been decided for decades), at "charity" functions, posh parties of the rich, so forth.

There are always lower tiers of the elite at these places, including politicians, plus business and society journalists. The males of these upper groups, plus the media (that are basically owned by the elite) and other conveyers of culture are conditioned and socialized to hear and obey the males above them in the hierarchy. That is how patriarchies work and that is how the ruling patriarchs spread their messages.
Found here in the Preface to the 3rd (1997) edition of "The Secret Team: The CIA and it's Allies in Control of the World" found here: http://www.bilderberg.org/st/SecretTeamBForewords.htm
Fletcher Prouty said:
During the Senate Hearings of 1975 on "Alleged Assassination Ploys Involving Foreign Leaders," Senator Charles McC. Mathias' thoughts went back to November 22, 1963 and to the coup d' etat brought about by the surgical precision of the death of President John F. Kennedy, when he said:

Let me draw an example from history. When Thomas Becket (Saint Thomas Becket, 1118-1170) was proving to be an annoyance, as Castro; the King said "Who will rid me of this man?" [Shouldn't that read "who will rid me of this turbulent priest?"? - ed.] He didn't say to somebody, go out and murder him. He said who will rid me of this man, and let it go at that (As you will recall, Thomas Becket's threat was not against the King, it was against the way the King wanted to run the government.)

With no explicit orders, and with no more authority than that, four of King Henry's knights, found and killed "this man", Saint Thomas Becket inside of his church. That simple statement...no more than a wish floating in air... proved to be all the orders needed.

Then, with that great historical event in mind, Senator Mathias went on to say:

...that is typical of the kind of thing which might be said, which might be taken by the Director of Central Intelligence or by anybody else, as Presidential authorization to go forward...you felt that some spark had been transmitted...

To this Senator Jesse Helms added:

Yes, and if he had disappeared from the scene they would not have been unhappy.

There's the point! Because the structure, a "Power Elite", "High Cabal" or similar ultimate ruling organization, exists and the psychological atmosphere has been prepared, nothing more has to be said than that which ignites that "spark" of an assumed "authorization to go forward." Very often, this is the way in which the Secret Team gets its orders...they are no more than "a wish floating in air."


In such a world, the Secret Team is the functional element of the dominant power. It is the point of the spear and is neither military nor police. It is covert: and the best (or worst) of both. It gets the job done whether it has political authorization and direction, or not. In this capacity, it acts independently. It is lawless. It operates everywhere with the best of all supporting facilities from special weaponry and advanced communications, with the assurance that its members will never be prosecuted. It is subservient to the Power Elite and protected by them. The Power Elite or High Cabal need not be Royalty in these days. They are their equals or better.

Note with care, it is labelled a "Team". This is because as with any highly professional team it has its managers, its front office and its owners. These are the "Power Elite" to whom it is beholden. They are. always anonymous, and their network is ancient and world-wide. Let us draw an example from recent history.

This book is about a major element of this real power structure of the world and of its impact upon the CIA and its allies around the world. It is based upon much personal experience generally derived from my military service from mid-1941 to 1964: V.S. Army Cavalry, V.S. Army Armored Force, V.S. Army Air Corps and Army Air Force, and finally the V. S. Air Force; and more specifically from my special assignments in the Pentagon from 1955 to 1964. At retirement, I was the first Chief of Special Operations with the V.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff. All of these duties, during those Pentagon years, were structured to provide "the military support of the world-wide clandestine activities of the CIA." They were performed in accordance with the provisions of an Eisenhower era, National Security Council Directive No. 5412/2, March 15, 1954.
 
Tigersoap said:
Here in Belgium, unemployed people must now prove that they are looking for jobs, without enough proofs you can get your meager funds cut off.
Unemployed people are under scrutiny like we're (yeah I am unemployed legally speaking) some kind of plague to society.
I think it's always been that way in the USA. Unemployment insurance is paid but you have to show you applied for jobs or something like that. Even at that, the unemployment insurance runs out after six months or a year.

And then ... nothing. (You could get "welfare" if you have dependent children, but that is subject to a five-year lifetime limit.)
 
I wonder if the just completed elections will do anything or have anything to do with this. The cause of throwing the Republicans out was probably Iraq, but maybe it was some of this as well. In any case, the Dems are in power in Congress now, and they can use the threat of investigations to make Bush sign their legislation. It's time for old-time Democratic politics now, oh boy!

And no wussy Jimmy Carter or Bill Clinton centrism. It's time to exhume the ghosts of FDR (New Deal) and LBJ (Great Society). Nancy Pelosi already has a name for it: New Direction.

But the result was a bit too clean, and with all the electronic machines in use and the suppression of exit polling results, one can imagine that the result was fixed; that TPTB sanctioned / directed the result, knowing that some sort of switch was inevitable. So maybe these Democrats will be controlled too.

I wonder if the social engineering will just be turned on a different target group, say the middle class. The middle class is under a heavy load, and this may be the time to add that final straw.

I wonder ... but I think something will change. This election was an earthquake.
 
Just a quick answer to Sleepyvinny and Artichoke,

Belgium has always had unions and a strong social security unlike the US and the UK.
The current trend is to slowly strip away those rights and it is more shocking to the Belgian population.
It is all explained and justified that within the global market economy, we're not competitive enough but my guess is that the governement is eager to please the US in the long run.
The fact that the NATO is based in Brussels is a major leverage point for the US to keep Belgium in line osit.
 
It's nice to think that one could escape the rat race and move to a more forgiving society. I guess that's being phased out. But of course it was never an option for most of us anyway: if a US citizen (not rich nor well-educated) had tried to move to Belgium, would he have been able? I think he would not have been allowed to immigrate.

So I'm not sure what the significance of it is, globally. And there's the problem of tax rate competition. If taxes are too high, people will establish domicile elsewhere. That's easier for a rich person to do than a poor one, and I suppose Belgium is one of those European countries with very high taxes on the rich. Do you really think the USA is trying to micromanage the welfare policies of other countries? Possible but I'd just never thought of that.
 
I think that they did not distort the results of this election.

1. They didn't have to to get the results they wanted this time and,

2. There were a lot more reports in the mainstream media about electronic vote tampering recently. If there was anything suspicious this time people would have demanded a paper trail receipt system. Now, everyone is relaxing thinking that the machines actually work (of course they COULD work if not tampered with). So the stage is set to expand the use of these machines for the 2008 presidential election.

artichoke said:
I wonder if the just completed elections will do anything or have anything to do with this. The cause of throwing the Republicans out was probably Iraq, but maybe it was some of this as well. In any case, the Dems are in power in Congress now, and they can use the threat of investigations to make Bush sign their legislation. It's time for old-time Democratic politics now, oh boy!

And no wussy Jimmy Carter or Bill Clinton centrism. It's time to exhume the ghosts of FDR (New Deal) and LBJ (Great Society). Nancy Pelosi already has a name for it: New Direction.

But the result was a bit too clean, and with all the electronic machines in use and the suppression of exit polling results, one can imagine that the result was fixed; that TPTB sanctioned / directed the result, knowing that some sort of switch was inevitable. So maybe these Democrats will be controlled too.

I wonder if the social engineering will just be turned on a different target group, say the middle class. The middle class is under a heavy load, and this may be the time to add that final straw.

I wonder ... but I think something will change. This election was an earthquake.
 
artichoke said:
if a US citizen (not rich nor well-educated) had tried to move to Belgium, would he have been able? I think he would not have been allowed to immigrate.
I don't know the numbers but American soldiers after the II world war stayed in Belgium.
Picture love stories between the rescuer and the poor european girl who escaped the evil cluthces of nazism.
That sounds like a good propaganda movie.

Belgium accepted quite a lot of other countries to work in the coal mines after the war so I don't think it would have been a problem.
But would any american would have wanted to move here ? o_O

That's funny because I think that in Europe, we have this image of Europeans (Italians, french and so on) moving to the US to escape the cold and barren Europe and live the American dream.
Go figure.


artichoke said:
That's easier for a rich person to do than a poor one, and I suppose Belgium is one of those European countries with very high taxes on the rich.
From what I know it's almost (or a bit higher) like 50% but I am pretty sure that there is a lot of legal corners and twists to avoid the richer people in society to pay less.

But as the country is split in almost three separate entities (North, South and the Capital) the taxes must be different but I am not aware of the differences and I am not able to understand the legal (cryptic) language used to explain it better.

Also there is the European community based in Brussels, and people working there are not taxed and as they already have an income that is far more superior to the average population, well there are some pretty huge inequity in the quality of life in the capital city.

artichoke said:
Do you really think the USA is trying to micromanage the welfare policies of other countries? Possible but I'd just never thought of that.
I don't know if they manage them from afar but they can surely influence them via other means.
That's why I mentioned the NATO because it seems to be an important asset for Belgium to have it there because when the US menaced to move it away, The governement started to crawl on his knees for it to stay here.
And it all started to happen when there was an inquiry about the secret landings with terror suspects.

I think it's safe to say that the US can use economical incentives and lobbying to influence a country's direction.
If not by outright destabilization or bullying.

Don't forget that Europe was helped by the US after the war via the Marshall plan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Plan

Talk about some debt we owe to the US :)


Sorry if I don't explain it better, these are my observations but they are probably incomplete.
 
artichoke said:
Do you really think the USA is trying to micromanage the welfare policies of other countries?
Yes, because it is benificial to US multi-national companies, e.g. drug firms. Profits are much less for them in countries with a good welfare system.
Results will vary from country to country depending on how "receptive" they are.
 
Hard to deny evidence like this.

http://www.jmooneyham.com/brightref.html

http://www.jmooneyham.com/rich.html

I just throwed down the gauntlet at misc. legal about this. I'll be forcing the issue with a new york city prosecutor I have had friendly legal discussions with there for more than two years.

We see two different governments but I have never questioned his integrety because I have never had a reason to. There will be a line in the sand about this.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.legal/browse_thread/thread/6baf07f791ef463e/5d317d6c2f234bb1#5d317d6c2f234bb1

If anyone has any ideas that we can get this in court I will donate my time towards it. That's all I can give, I don't have a dime to my name. But, what I have to give will be my best.

Women and children? Thats over the line.

Here is what I consider my best legal writing. I was inspired. No names have been changed to protect a guilty lawyer!

http://www.suijuris.net/forum/court/11143-notice-ineffective-legal-counsel.html
 
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