Ancient Computer Revisited : The Antikythera Mechanism

Re: Counter-Gravity Mechanism

ankhepiphan said:
I expect nothing from "anyone", and why should I.
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Another emotional response (and a rather silly one, really). It would be quite beneficial, ankhepiphan, for you to take a moment to examine the strong possibility that you ARE identified with this. That some part of you thought that by bringing this up you would get positive responses, encouraging your ideas - that you, in fact - expected it.

s said:
Simply sharing information to stimulate discussion perhaps with those who've done similar research, or others who have an open mind.
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This is an implication that Data does not have an open mind - as was your comment about 'throwing the baby out with the bathwater' an implication that I was doing such a thing. Do you understand that these sorts of statements aren't only vaguely accusatory, but they are manipulative? Why would you feel driven to pepper your responses with such things?

Where is the emotional component coming from? No matter how much you repeat that you do not expect anything and that you are not identified with these ideas of yours - your words/actions indicate otherwise. Denying them really ensures nothing other than stagnation.

I realize this is rather tangential to the original discussion ( :offtopic: ) - however - your responses are indicative of such a strong level of identification that I would be remiss to not bring it up. If you chose to not consider the validity of what has been written here, that is your decision, but, fwiw.
 
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Another emotional response (and a rather silly one, really). It would be quite beneficial, ankhepiphan, for you to take a moment to examine the strong possibility that you ARE identified with this. That some part of you thought that by bringing this up you would get positive responses, encouraging your ideas - that you, in fact - expected it.
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Obviously i am attached in some way, but maybe not IDENTIFIED in the sense that i think you're implying. Could i just say that maybe i've "identified" some glimmer of truth in the subject, and am possibly searching for feedback. Positive or negative for this is how i/we learn. The glimmer of truth i may see, may have been studied deeper by others here.

This is an implication that Data does not have an open mind - as was your comment about 'throwing the baby out with the bathwater' an implication that I was doing such a thing. Do you understand that these sorts of statements aren't only vaguely accusatory, but they are manipulative? Why would you feel driven to pepper your responses with such things?

Where is the emotional component coming from? No matter how much you repeat that you do not expect anything and that you are not identified with these ideas of yours - your words/actions indicate otherwise. Denying them really ensures nothing other than stagnation.
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mmmm...I understand what you're saying here, but I assure you that your assumption is way off the mark. I have no reason to believe that anyone i've communicated with 'did not have an open mind' or had a tendency to 'throw the baby out with the bathwater'. These statements were mentioned only to show the tenacity to which i pursue an issue i feel may contain an element of truth. For better or for worse, entirely mine and completely lacking any intent overtly orcovertly to project on anyone else.

Are you sure that your initial assumptions were absolutely correct and without error? Or do you understand that to acuse someone right off the top without questioning, may not be the best method for discerning intent.
 
Re: Counter-Gravity Mechanism

ankhepiphan said:
Are you sure that your initial assumptions were absolutely correct and without error? Or do you understand that to acuse someone right off the top without questioning, may not be the best method for discerning intent.
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I am never absolutely certain, but, you see, I was not the only person to pick up on this - so that is more data. Also, it is not an accusation - it is an observation offered to give you an opportunity to understand how you are coming across. Your 'predator', however is contrary and morose, thus it sees accusations where only help is being offered. Your intent may not be to come across the way that you do, in which case it might be worthwhile to consider phrasing things differently and from this one can LEARN - that is if you are interested in working on yourself.
 
Re: Counter-Gravity Mechanism

Beautiful, and thank you very much for the mirror! I needed this, and will be more attentive in future. Thanks
 
Re: Counter-Gravity Mechanism

ankhepiphan said:
My question is this: Could the above quoted statement have any merit??
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Suppose I say NO, what will you say then? You will probably ask me to prove it, right? So, please prove that xgfhjkuk jhg dvsjks has no any merit. Can you?
 
Re: Counter-Gravity Mechanism


Ankhepiphan, the impression I get is that you are showing a kind of impatience regarding certain expectations that you have on this theoretical antigravity thing. Maybe this emotional impatience keeps you from being in the here-now, by creating internal mental noise, and even a kind of hysteria in your mind, so as to keep you emotionally thinking at such a quick tempo that you lose the possibility to quiet down your mind and become aware of what's really going on inside and around you, and keeping you from seriously reflecting on the degree to which you might be identified with this thing?

Seems to me you are identified with this thing and you are letting yourself "become it" to the point where this antigravity thing is doing the thinking for you, not much different (as Gurdjieff mentioned in ISOTM) where a pipe smoker can become so identified with his pipe that his 'astral' body' literally takes the form of a pipe and then the man becomes a pipe himself.

Then the pipe "thinks the man."
 
Re: Counter-Gravity Mechanism

Hello everyone,

Allow me to post a link to the paper of Pr. Christophoros Provatidis, deputy professor in the National Technical University of Athens, regarding the operation of the mechanism that was the starting subject of this thread. "Unfortunately" my brief research on the "variety" of scientists that exist on the occasion of my involvement on this project, has made me ever more skeptical and cautious about what really motivates their research and attitude... So i have to state that the author of this paper bears the full responsibility for it's content which expresses his own personal views regarding the physics of this mechanism, and not the view of the inventor -let alone mine. I post this link for updating my original post with something that appears to be more solid and substantiated than my own limited view, and also in case someone can make something meaningfull out of it as it concerns the overall feasibility and validity of this whole concept. Having expressed my reservations, here is the link:

_http://users.ntua.gr/cprovat/yliko/English_Tsiriggakis_Model_Motor1.pdf

Thank you,
Spyros
 
Re: Counter-Gravity Mechanism

Hello All

Possibly another clue to the mystery here:

_http://www.enterprisemission.com/Von_Braun.htm
 
Antikythera Mechanism

Good evening everyone..
making some search on posidonius, I found (out of the context) this incredible report on this unbelievable discovered, I leave you judged the contents...
The more close I found in english is this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpHW2acX0To
that witch I found in french on Arte http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH3JmUaB1uk
the same on arte in german http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-mmvKPwWb0

can you believe that? (- YES :cool2: ) who built this? Archimedes? in my adored Syracusa? Posidonius maybe? who can to know?

anyway take a look.. (for those which as me did not know anything of it)
 
Hi freesurfer,

There were already existing discussions on the subject. Post merged. :)
 
well, I search with other key works (like my titrate) and found nothing...
but I see and is old one.. :zzz:
I go take a look, right now..
thanks Vulcan59 ;)
 
Have searched titles and sessions, and do not see anything on it. Have been watching online videos of the device, and the mainstream explanation just doesn't make any sense.

Am I missing the thread?
 
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