Andrzej Łobaczewski - "CHIRURGIA SŁOWA"

palestine

Jedi Council Member
Hello,

It came to my understanding that A. Lobaczewski wrote three books:
  • "Political ponerology"
  • "Logocracy"
  • "Chirurgia slowa" (Polish only)
I have been trying to find a digital copy of "chirurgia slowa", but without success. Does anybody have it? Even a paperback copy?

I believe there may be precious inputs in it, and that it could be very nice than to quote some. What I have in mind, ideally, would be than to get some scans, then to translate those, so as to dispose of the information and to work with it.

Thank you!

:lkj:
 
There is a link to the publisher here. 🤞

chirurgia-sowa-andrzej-obaczewski.jpg


Another link here that seems like a price list. 👍
 
@Vulcan59

Thank you!

I had never heard of this book, and yet it's listed at the end in Political Ponerology. I think it contains reformulations of concepts that have been written about in Political Ponerology, and that's why this book interests me so much. I think that perhaps the concepts are explained differently, and that could provide additional understanding.

Ordering a book online is possible for me, but the familiar steps become a bit of obstacles. Credit card, money, asking another person, etc. I tend to give up and accept that's just how it is. I can order books through a bookstore in my town, but they only carry new releases and the books they have in their catalog. Redpillpress is listed there. A bit frustrating! But in the end, big knowledge is present on the forum, so ultimately I don't "need the book".

But anyway, I'm hopeful that one day the book will be available. There's a lot to read - but when I saw this book I thought, "Ah, I'd really like to read it!" I remain philosophical, but, ah, what's in there?! :lol:

Were you familiar with it? Have you read it?
 
This site is just bookstore.

Publisher is Mitel.
Since last valid site under that address was in 2014... So likelihood they still exist is pretty low.
Mitel offered ebooks of some of their books, but this website snapshot doesn't contain that subpage to check what they had in offer.

Another link here that seems like a price list. 👍
Allegro is site similar to ebay.
Looks like this product appears once a year or two. Unfortunately archive feature of allegro will be removed in 4 months from now. I guess they want to hide inflation...
 
It's almost impossible to find it. It's available in a library in Rzeszów and probably in Poradnia Psychologiczno-Pedagogiczna in Dąbrowa Górnicza if that helps in any way 😅
 
There are many Polish language books that are out of print, and could be presented to English language readers. Antoni Kępiński, Kazimierz Dąbrowski, Florian Znaniecki, Kinga Wiśniewska-Roszkowska, Feliks Staszak, Kazimierz Markiewicz.

Selling books in pdf format is cheaper than printed books. People could print in their own printer.

A laser printer without ink or toner
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pt-rCjsaO38
 
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Here's table of contents

7 Od autora
7 From the author

11 Rozdział I. WPROWADZENIE
11 Chapter 1. Introduction

17 Rozdział II. PONEROLOGIA
17 Chapter 2. Ponerology

22 Czynniki patologiczne
22 Pathological factors

22 Dewiacje nabyte
22 Acquired deviations

24 Dewiacje dziedziczne
24 Inheritable deviations

29 Procesy ponerogenezy
29 Ponerogenesis processes

34 Zrzeszenia ponerogenne
34 Ponerogenic associations

36 Ponerologia
36 Ponerology

37 Rozdział III. PSYCHOTERAPIA
37 Chapter 3. Psychotherapy

48 Rozdział IV. DIAGNOZA
48 Chapter 4. Diagnosis

53 Rozdział V. PARAMETRY CZASU
53 Chapter 5. Time parameters

56 Rozdział VI. UŚWIADOMIENIE NIEDZIEDZICZNOŚCI
56 Chapter 6. Realization of non-inheritance

59 Rozdział VII. PSYCHOTERAPIA UŚWIADAMIAJĄCA USZKODZENIE TKANKI MÓZGOWEJ
59 Chapter 7. Eyeopening therapy about damage of brain tissue

69 Rozdział VIII. PSYCHOTERAPIA OSÓB ULEGŁYCH WPŁYWOWI CHARAKTEROPATÓW
69 Chapter 8. Psychotherapy of people affected by influence of characteropaths

78 Rozdział IX. SYNDROM KOZŁA OFIARNEGO
78 Chapter 9. Scape goat syndrome

88 Sojusznicy konfliktowi
88 Conflictive allies

90 Antymateria psychologiczna
90 Psychological antimatter

92 Psychoterapia
92 Psychotherapy

102 Rozdział X. PSYCHOTERAPIA OSÓB ULEGŁYCH WPŁYWOWI PSYCHOPATÓW
102 Chapter 10. Psychotherapy of people affected by influence of psychopaths

111 Rozdział XI. PSYCHOTERAPIA OSÓB ULEGŁYCH WPŁYWOWI PATOKRACJI
111 Chapter 11. Psychotherapy of people affected by influence of pathocracy

119 Rozdział XII. TEMATY OGÓLNE
119 Chapter 12. Common topics

132 Bibliografia
132 Bibliography
 
In this book Andrzej Lobaczewski presented idea of inner voice that sometimes give us advice. Some other people call it "inner dialog" or "voice of conscience".


Tymczasem dorosły już przedmiot syndromu k.o. [scape goat] jest człowiekiem z trwale przygaszonym emocjonalizmem i nieco obniżonym tonusem hamowania korowego. Taki stan fizjologiczny, podobny do wywoływanych przez ascezę, ułatwia docieranie do świadomości informacji transcendentalnych. W życiu tych ludzi przychodzą chwile, kiedy zaczynają wołać o pomoc do Boga. W ich umyśle pojawia się Głos bez słów, który ostrzega lub radzi. Niedługo okazuje się, że te przesłania były oparte na znajomości różnych okoliczności, o których ten człowiek wiedzieć nie mógł.
[...]
W naszym trudnym zadaniu jest nader korzystne, kiedy terapeuta zdoła sam osiągnąć pewną zdolność korzystania z tego Głosu Dobrej Rady, o którym już wspomniano przy okazji koziołków ofiarnych. Ostrzega on bowiem przed błędami w planowaniu i wykonaniu terapii, a czasem doradza wybór najlepszej drogi. Dlatego wypada radzić PT [pleno titulo] Kolegom, aby usiłowali wmyśleć się w ten problem i odszukać to zjawisko w sobie. Wtedy będzie nam również łatwiej zainicjować drugiego człowieka do podobnego korzystania z niego dla własnego dobra i w jego sprawach. Byłby to zarazem najlepszy finał wyzwalający człowieka do samodzielnego rozwiązywania swoich problemów.
[...]
W nieco szerszym ujęciu, niż to wspomniano w rozdziale o syndromie k.o. [scape goat]] i w stosunku do większości pacjentów możemy omówić to subtelne zagadnienie.

„Sokratesie nie czyń tego”, ten Głos bez słów towarzyszy nam wszystkim podświadomie, ale tylko u niewielu dociera łatwo do świadomości. Wielu ludzi korzysta z niego pozytywnie, choć dzieje się to podświadomie. U niektórych utrwaliły się podświadome odruchy opozycji przeciw temu Głosowi. Tylko u niewielu ludzi uświadamia się on wyraźnie. Wszyscy jednak, mimo tych różnic, tak terapeuta, jak i jego pacjenci, jesteśmy ludźmi nie dość dobrze nastrojonymi na jego odbiór.


I believe that Andrzej Lobaczewski, Kazimierz Dabrowski and Antoni Kepinski believed in transcendental world. But they have to write this in their books in indirect way.
 
@neonix, got the English:

Meanwhile, the adult subject of scapegoat syndrome is a person with permanently suppressed emotionality and a slightly reduced cortical inhibition tone. This physiological state, similar to that induced by asceticism, facilitates the access of transcendental information to consciousness. There are moments in these people's lives when they begin to cry out to God for help. A wordless Voice appears in their mind, warning or advising. It soon becomes clear that these messages were based on knowledge of various circumstances of which the person could not have been aware.

[...]

In our difficult task, it is extremely beneficial when the therapist himself manages to achieve some ability to utilize this Voice of Good Counsel, already mentioned in connection with scapegoats. It warns against errors in planning and executing therapy and sometimes advises on the best path. Therefore, it is appropriate to advise PT [pleno titulo] colleagues to try to reflect on this problem and find this phenomenon within themselves. Then it will also be easier for us to encourage others to use it similarly for their own good and in their own affairs. This would also be the best outcome, freeing people to solve their own problems.

In a somewhat broader sense than mentioned in the chapter on scapegoat syndrome, and in relation to most patients, we can discuss this subtle issue.

"Socrates, do not do this," this wordless Voice accompanies us all subconsciously, but only in a few does it easily reach consciousness. Many people use it positively, although this happens subconsciously. In some, subconscious reflexes of opposition to this Voice have become ingrained. Only in a few people are it clearly conscious. However, despite these differences, all of us, both therapists and their patients, are not well-tuned to its reception.

In his other book, "Political ponerology", A. Lobaczewski defends the values of Christianity. I think I could have a look at relay some of his words, because he was a practician Christian. It seems to me that he explains that the Church, still, cannot defeat the pathology if it infiltrates its ranks, because the intellectual system taught by the Church does not have room for "psychopathology", "DNA deificiencies" etc - all the precise things that a solid world view would require, to navigate the world. Without those concepts, the Church world view is insufficient.

But it seems to me that he had a short paragraph speaking of "special antibodies", granted via the Church, praying, or something. I must have a look.

The above quote shows that he had an inkling at higher forms of existence, then... Each time I read political ponerology, I feel more sane, and that the book is a model for "all". Sometimes, I think that his book can address 4D issues, without specifically stating it. I believe that he wrote the book in a fashion that it could work, that it could adress many things. 4D troubles, too.

:thup:
 

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