Andrzej Łobaczewski - "CHIRURGIA SŁOWA"

palestine

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Hello,

It came to my understanding that A. Lobaczewski wrote three books:
  • "Political ponerology"
  • "Logocracy"
  • "Chirurgia slowa" (Polish only)
I have been trying to find a digital copy of "chirurgia slowa", but without success. Does anybody have it? Even a paperback copy?

I believe there may be precious inputs in it, and that it could be very nice than to quote some. What I have in mind, ideally, would be than to get some scans, then to translate those, so as to dispose of the information and to work with it.

Thank you!

:lkj:
 
There is a link to the publisher here. 🤞

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Another link here that seems like a price list. 👍
 
@Vulcan59

Thank you!

I had never heard of this book, and yet it's listed at the end in Political Ponerology. I think it contains reformulations of concepts that have been written about in Political Ponerology, and that's why this book interests me so much. I think that perhaps the concepts are explained differently, and that could provide additional understanding.

Ordering a book online is possible for me, but the familiar steps become a bit of obstacles. Credit card, money, asking another person, etc. I tend to give up and accept that's just how it is. I can order books through a bookstore in my town, but they only carry new releases and the books they have in their catalog. Redpillpress is listed there. A bit frustrating! But in the end, big knowledge is present on the forum, so ultimately I don't "need the book".

But anyway, I'm hopeful that one day the book will be available. There's a lot to read - but when I saw this book I thought, "Ah, I'd really like to read it!" I remain philosophical, but, ah, what's in there?! :lol:

Were you familiar with it? Have you read it?
 
This site is just bookstore.

Publisher is Mitel.
Since last valid site under that address was in 2014... So likelihood they still exist is pretty low.
Mitel offered ebooks of some of their books, but this website snapshot doesn't contain that subpage to check what they had in offer.

Another link here that seems like a price list. 👍
Allegro is site similar to ebay.
Looks like this product appears once a year or two. Unfortunately archive feature of allegro will be removed in 4 months from now. I guess they want to hide inflation...
 
It's almost impossible to find it. It's available in a library in Rzeszów and probably in Poradnia Psychologiczno-Pedagogiczna in Dąbrowa Górnicza if that helps in any way 😅
 
There are many Polish language books that are out of print, and could be presented to English language readers. Antoni Kępiński, Kazimierz Dąbrowski, Florian Znaniecki, Kinga Wiśniewska-Roszkowska, Feliks Staszak, Kazimierz Markiewicz.

Selling books in pdf format is cheaper than printed books. People could print in their own printer.

A laser printer without ink or toner
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pt-rCjsaO38
 
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Here's table of contents

7 Od autora
7 From the author

11 Rozdział I. WPROWADZENIE
11 Chapter 1. Introduction

17 Rozdział II. PONEROLOGIA
17 Chapter 2. Ponerology

22 Czynniki patologiczne
22 Pathological factors

22 Dewiacje nabyte
22 Acquired deviations

24 Dewiacje dziedziczne
24 Inheritable deviations

29 Procesy ponerogenezy
29 Ponerogenesis processes

34 Zrzeszenia ponerogenne
34 Ponerogenic associations

36 Ponerologia
36 Ponerology

37 Rozdział III. PSYCHOTERAPIA
37 Chapter 3. Psychotherapy

48 Rozdział IV. DIAGNOZA
48 Chapter 4. Diagnosis

53 Rozdział V. PARAMETRY CZASU
53 Chapter 5. Time parameters

56 Rozdział VI. UŚWIADOMIENIE NIEDZIEDZICZNOŚCI
56 Chapter 6. Realization of non-inheritance

59 Rozdział VII. PSYCHOTERAPIA UŚWIADAMIAJĄCA USZKODZENIE TKANKI MÓZGOWEJ
59 Chapter 7. Eyeopening therapy about damage of brain tissue

69 Rozdział VIII. PSYCHOTERAPIA OSÓB ULEGŁYCH WPŁYWOWI CHARAKTEROPATÓW
69 Chapter 8. Psychotherapy of people affected by influence of characteropaths

78 Rozdział IX. SYNDROM KOZŁA OFIARNEGO
78 Chapter 9. Scape goat syndrome

88 Sojusznicy konfliktowi
88 Conflictive allies

90 Antymateria psychologiczna
90 Psychological antimatter

92 Psychoterapia
92 Psychotherapy

102 Rozdział X. PSYCHOTERAPIA OSÓB ULEGŁYCH WPŁYWOWI PSYCHOPATÓW
102 Chapter 10. Psychotherapy of people affected by influence of psychopaths

111 Rozdział XI. PSYCHOTERAPIA OSÓB ULEGŁYCH WPŁYWOWI PATOKRACJI
111 Chapter 11. Psychotherapy of people affected by influence of pathocracy

119 Rozdział XII. TEMATY OGÓLNE
119 Chapter 12. Common topics

132 Bibliografia
132 Bibliography
 
In this book Andrzej Lobaczewski presented idea of inner voice that sometimes give us advice. Some other people call it "inner dialog" or "voice of conscience".


Tymczasem dorosły już przedmiot syndromu k.o. [scape goat] jest człowiekiem z trwale przygaszonym emocjonalizmem i nieco obniżonym tonusem hamowania korowego. Taki stan fizjologiczny, podobny do wywoływanych przez ascezę, ułatwia docieranie do świadomości informacji transcendentalnych. W życiu tych ludzi przychodzą chwile, kiedy zaczynają wołać o pomoc do Boga. W ich umyśle pojawia się Głos bez słów, który ostrzega lub radzi. Niedługo okazuje się, że te przesłania były oparte na znajomości różnych okoliczności, o których ten człowiek wiedzieć nie mógł.
[...]
W naszym trudnym zadaniu jest nader korzystne, kiedy terapeuta zdoła sam osiągnąć pewną zdolność korzystania z tego Głosu Dobrej Rady, o którym już wspomniano przy okazji koziołków ofiarnych. Ostrzega on bowiem przed błędami w planowaniu i wykonaniu terapii, a czasem doradza wybór najlepszej drogi. Dlatego wypada radzić PT [pleno titulo] Kolegom, aby usiłowali wmyśleć się w ten problem i odszukać to zjawisko w sobie. Wtedy będzie nam również łatwiej zainicjować drugiego człowieka do podobnego korzystania z niego dla własnego dobra i w jego sprawach. Byłby to zarazem najlepszy finał wyzwalający człowieka do samodzielnego rozwiązywania swoich problemów.
[...]
W nieco szerszym ujęciu, niż to wspomniano w rozdziale o syndromie k.o. [scape goat]] i w stosunku do większości pacjentów możemy omówić to subtelne zagadnienie.

„Sokratesie nie czyń tego”, ten Głos bez słów towarzyszy nam wszystkim podświadomie, ale tylko u niewielu dociera łatwo do świadomości. Wielu ludzi korzysta z niego pozytywnie, choć dzieje się to podświadomie. U niektórych utrwaliły się podświadome odruchy opozycji przeciw temu Głosowi. Tylko u niewielu ludzi uświadamia się on wyraźnie. Wszyscy jednak, mimo tych różnic, tak terapeuta, jak i jego pacjenci, jesteśmy ludźmi nie dość dobrze nastrojonymi na jego odbiór.


I believe that Andrzej Lobaczewski, Kazimierz Dabrowski and Antoni Kepinski believed in transcendental world. But they have to write this in their books in indirect way.
 
@neonix, got the English:

Meanwhile, the adult subject of scapegoat syndrome is a person with permanently suppressed emotionality and a slightly reduced cortical inhibition tone. This physiological state, similar to that induced by asceticism, facilitates the access of transcendental information to consciousness. There are moments in these people's lives when they begin to cry out to God for help. A wordless Voice appears in their mind, warning or advising. It soon becomes clear that these messages were based on knowledge of various circumstances of which the person could not have been aware.

[...]

In our difficult task, it is extremely beneficial when the therapist himself manages to achieve some ability to utilize this Voice of Good Counsel, already mentioned in connection with scapegoats. It warns against errors in planning and executing therapy and sometimes advises on the best path. Therefore, it is appropriate to advise PT [pleno titulo] colleagues to try to reflect on this problem and find this phenomenon within themselves. Then it will also be easier for us to encourage others to use it similarly for their own good and in their own affairs. This would also be the best outcome, freeing people to solve their own problems.

In a somewhat broader sense than mentioned in the chapter on scapegoat syndrome, and in relation to most patients, we can discuss this subtle issue.

"Socrates, do not do this," this wordless Voice accompanies us all subconsciously, but only in a few does it easily reach consciousness. Many people use it positively, although this happens subconsciously. In some, subconscious reflexes of opposition to this Voice have become ingrained. Only in a few people are it clearly conscious. However, despite these differences, all of us, both therapists and their patients, are not well-tuned to its reception.

In his other book, "Political ponerology", A. Lobaczewski defends the values of Christianity. I think I could have a look at relay some of his words, because he was a practician Christian. It seems to me that he explains that the Church, still, cannot defeat the pathology if it infiltrates its ranks, because the intellectual system taught by the Church does not have room for "psychopathology", "DNA deificiencies" etc - all the precise things that a solid world view would require, to navigate the world. Without those concepts, the Church world view is insufficient.

But it seems to me that he had a short paragraph speaking of "special antibodies", granted via the Church, praying, or something. I must have a look.

The above quote shows that he had an inkling at higher forms of existence, then... Each time I read political ponerology, I feel more sane, and that the book is a model for "all". Sometimes, I think that his book can address 4D issues, without specifically stating it. I believe that he wrote the book in a fashion that it could work, that it could adress many things. 4D troubles, too.

:thup:
 
Keeping the important topics hot, here is the introduction of the book :

FROM THE AUTHOR

I present this work to the PT Readers [ ??? "Oddaję tę pracę w ręce PT Czytelników" ???] as proof of my return not only to my old homeland, but also to the interests of a clinical psychologist: I ask, however, that I be allowed to share my memories of the most difficult times. Besides the request of my old friends to make my achievements and clinical experience accessible to a new generation of psychologists, those experiences were the second reason I undertook this work in my old age. They are also present to some extent in the content of this book.

When I arrived in the United States in 1978, after many hardships, I was already, unfortunately, recognized by the then intelligence agencies as a bearer of extremely dangerous knowledge about the nature and psychology of this now-transient pathopolitical system. Such a man should, at the very least, have been silenced. Ideally, however, he should not have survived on the New York streets. Within the first few weeks, I was entangled in a system of intrigues whose perfidy surpassed the imagination of even an experienced psychologist. I also had no idea how drained and dependent the Polish institutions there were.

Confidential information about me reached everyone who wanted to believe it. I was immediately accused of insulting a respectable woman whom I hadn't even had the privilege of knowing. The rumor spread that it wasn't me, but some younger, suspicious man who had arrived using my credentials. The former director of Radio WE received a confidential warning that I was a special agent who had come to organize an assassination attempt on him—and he believed it. Jews received information about my alleged anti-Semitism.

I was denied any help, not even a frank conversation. A social boycott was declared. More sensible people distanced themselves from me "just on the safe side." Working for bread in the harshest conditions had broken my strength. Passing on this dangerous knowledge to the scientists there was out of the question. I survived thanks to God's protection. However, I never doubted that the time would come when I would be able to return to Poland.

In such circumstances, I began to learn the customs of this country and its psychological diversity, its highly complex social relations and politics. After several years, I was able to once again draw on scientific literature and occasionally offer assistance to those compatriots whose mental health was threatened in this hostile world.
When I was finally able to return to Poland after thirteen years of absence, I found a picture of destruction far deeper than I could have imagined while living there, overseas. The psychological organizations at whose meetings I had been a frequent speaker had ceased to exist. So I tried to establish contact with university centers, where I met academics I had once known. In the meantime, however, they had become different people. Habits of submission and a certain acceptance of pathological authority have become commonplace in this country. In psychology, the prohibitions imposed by this authority still apply.

Unfortunately; At every step, I could observe how the lack of the psychological data I had exported, which should have returned to the country on time and on radio waves, immunized people's personalities and provided support for their healthy criticism, unfortunately opened the way to poisoning people's minds.

Was this failure to fulfill my task also my fault? Did I fail to seize some opportunity? I will never find a satisfactory answer, although I still think back to certain situations. My body couldn't handle it. Nec Hercules contra plures.

Under the conditions of pathopolitical rule, an engineer, physicist, astronomer, or pharmacist might not have felt the control over their field too painfully. Psychology, especially clinical psychology, and psychiatry were, however, sciences that permanently threatened to expose the pathological nature of such supposedly popular power. Perfidious control over them, the erasure of all data that could serve such a diagnosis, or their appropriate retouching, were a vital necessity of such a system. It was also necessary to treat appropriately those suspected of already understanding too much and ensure that such individuals did not obtain academic positions.

In medicine, similar restrictions applied to medical psychology, the more subtle aspects of psychiatry, the study of psychopathy, and some aspects of human genetics. This impaired the professional preparation of doctors only slightly and depending on the type of specialization. However, it was ruining psychiatry. This situation should be overcome for the good of medical science, which constitutes a whole, and for the good of those patients who need this very knowledge.

I have yet to meet a scientist who understands the causes of this immanent control. Therefore, it continues to operate within them, even though it has become anachronistic. Psychological works published today bear this consequence, and their language is difficult to understand. Meanwhile, psychology forms an organic whole to a greater extent than medicine. Deprived of certain elements and distorted by others, it ceases to function as a whole.

Therefore, I decided to turn to practicing psychologists; in whom daily contact with people in need of help has developed the necessary discipline of thought and a sense of psychological realities. I want to speak to these colleagues about matters of our daily work, to facilitate and modernize it. I therefore dedicate this work to those psychologists, as well as physicians, who, for the good of others, seek support in an unadulterated understanding of psychological reality. I have selected here issues that constitute the quantitative core of the daily work of a clinical psychologist, striving to provide practical assistance in solving various human problems.

This work is based primarily on past Polish experience in diagnostics and psychotherapy, and is dedicated to the well-being of people living in our country. Data from foreign sources have already been adapted for our needs. Therefore, its recommendations do not require adaptation, as they have been transferred from sometimes very different cultural, social, and economic conditions.

With the exception of the second chapter, devoted to research on the nature of evil, the reader will not encounter extensive theoretical considerations. The work primarily offers sound advice for diagnosticians and psychotherapists, based on my own experience but enriched with in-depth theoretical reflection. I have tried to simplify the language of this work as much as possible to make it accessible to non-psychologists. Nevertheless, it offers a modern approach consistent with the best trends in science and practice.

Andrzej Łobaczewski

I highlighted the above because it explains that main stream psychology (and psychiatry) did NOT make it through the complexity of the mind - so those are seemingly UNABLE to fathom "the reality" of psychology. Harsh, but promizing finding. Much can and could be done.

People feature a psychology which belongs to them - they are how they are, depending on their sum of knowledge and what they have in mind. "Psychology" here means their mental state. Psychological reality (and being unable to grasp the psychological reality) - means "what's the objective situation of that person's mind". If main stream psychology & psychiatrists don't know there exist people born with native predatoristic features - it shall be difficult for them to write books accurately describing the basic "varieties" of peope in our world. 80 years of this, of psychology & psychiatry, incomplete disciplines & teachings. Unable to objectively match the reality of the psychology of various people.

Leter we can read on a reason for this (or perhaps, a consequence):

Because psychopathy played a significant and inspiring role in the pathological system that operated in Poland for 44 years, the entire area encompassed by similar systems was mandated to disseminate pseudoscience on the subject. This was a result of the system's inherent self-awareness. This "science" was intended to conflate psychopathic phenomena with other problems that had nothing to do with them, blurring nosological distinctions and preventing students of medicine and psychology from learning to distinguish between the essential characteristics of psychopathy and individuals exhibiting them.

There exist real specific problems that are "amalgamated" with other troubles, making those undetected for what they are. That would be the way the big problem in our society is: concealed because conflated / amalgamated. A whole deal of "conflation methods" (or strategies) - may exist.

A. Lobaczewski teaches about the general issue of "psychopathology", vectorized by "psychopaths" - people born with rare DNA sequences that are different than the common man. That is what seems to become "amalgamated".

Here is a quote that which caught my attention, right after:

Taking the issue of evil from a practical perspective, it is extremely rare to encounter behavior that seriously harms a person without the influence of some pathological factor at its origin.

I assume if A. Lobaczewski is that bold in his assessment, we could set this as a general rule. This means in our world, in society - wherever - "serious harm always have ties to" "a pathological factor" "lurking somewhere". Always.

We are far from main stream & folk wisdom's models, which state & teach second-hand advices on "how the world is" (or "functions").


On that note - what is it that the world commonly teaches, in terms of reality and "how to deal with things"? Asking you so that we may go throught the common mistakes which pass off as "wisdom".

(I wrote some lines, but highlighted the most important parts in my opinion, in orange, so that the reader can stick with the substance I wanted to present; so, two lines only)

Super book, perhaps less great than Political ponerology because the latter was probably aimed at describing the most accurate elements, for a wide audience. I was studying it but I've lost my computer data so I have to retranslate it from Polish again. I've lost more data than this book. All of my studies on comets, and history got wiped out. I did not have the courage to start again from scratch. I decided to get back at it that is why I am posting some excerpts. Thank you for reading , your consideration and your comments!
 
I assume if A. Lobaczewski is that bold in his assessment, we could set this as a general rule. This means in our world, in society - wherever - "serious harm always have ties to" "a pathological factor" "lurking somewhere". Always.
Psychopaths in power play by bent rules that they create that take advantage of the general public's normal but vulnerable empathy, and what could be labeled as associated naivety. The PTB are aware of 'hidden variables' or 'confounding variables' that we don't know about; they use that ignorance for dominance - basically a predator-prey dynamic. The Cs recently said something to the effect that we should be glad that our relationship with 4D STS is changing. More lessons afoot, 'third man' becoming more visible it seems, balance, a level playing field.
 
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