Another Hit ? - Solar System Structure

bngenoh

The Living Force
Here's the session:
Laura said:
Q: (L) How many planets are in our solar system?
A: 12

Q: (L) Could you tell us the names of all the planets, their distances from the sun, the chemical composition, and the diameter.
A:
  • Mercury=Opatanar, 36 million miles from Sun; 3000 mi. diameter.
  • Venus=Pemuntar, 67 million miles from Sun; 7,500 mi. diameter.
  • Earth=Saras, 93 million miles from Sun; 7,900 mi. diameter.
  • Mars=Masar, 141,500,000 miles from Sun; 4,200 mi. diameter.
  • Jupiter=Yontar, 483,400,000 miles from Sun; 88,700 diameter.
  • Saturn=Zendar, 886,700,000 miles from Sun; 74,500 diameter.
  • Uranus=Lonoponor, 1,782,700,000 miles from Sun; 31,566 diameter.
  • Neptune=Jinoar, 2,794,300,000 miles from Sun; 30,199 diameter.
  • Pluto=Opikimanaras, 3,666,100,000 miles from Sun; 1,864 diameter.
  • NI=Montonanas, 570,000,000,000 miles from Sun; solid matter; 7000 miles diameter.
  • NII=Suvurutarcar, 830,000,000,000 miles from Sun; 18000 miles diameter; hydrogen, ammonia.
  • NIII=Bikalamanar, 1,600,000,000,000 miles from Sun; 46000 miles diameter; hydrogen, ammonia.

The evidence:
_http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2012/05/120511-new-planet-solar-system-kuiper-belt-space-science/?source=hp_dl1_news_new_planet20120514 said:
An as yet undiscovered planet might be orbiting at the dark fringes of the solar system, according to new research.

Too far out to be easily spotted by telescopes, the potential unseen planet appears to be making its presence felt by disturbing the orbits of so-called Kuiper belt objects, said Rodney Gomes, an astronomer at the National Observatory of Brazil in Rio de Janeiro.

Kuiper belt objects are small icy bodies—including some dwarf planets—that lie beyond the orbit of Neptune.

[...]

What's intriguing, Gomes said, is that, according to his new calculations, about a half dozen Kuiper belt objects—including the remote body known as Sedna—are in strange orbits compared to where they should be, based on existing solar system models.

[...]

The objects' unexpected orbits have a few possible explanations, said Gomes,...."But I think the easiest one is a planetary-mass solar companion"—a planet that orbits very far out from the sun but that's massive enough to be having gravitational effects on Kuiper belt objects.

[...]

If there's no distant world, Gomes concludes, the models don't produce the highly elongated orbits we see for six of the objects.

How big exactly the planetary body might be isn't clear, but there are a lot of possibilities, Gomes added.

Based on his calculations, Gomes thinks a Neptune-size world, about four times bigger than Earth, orbiting 140 billion miles (225 billion kilometers) away from the sun—about 1,500 times farther than Earth—would do the trick.

But so would a Mars-size object—roughly half Earth's size—in a highly elongated orbit that would occasionally bring the body sweeping to within 5 billion miles (8 billion kilometers) of the sun.

[...]

And Hal Levison, an astronomer at the Southwest Research Institute in Boulder, Colorado, says he isn't sure what to make of Gomes's finding. "It seems surprising to me that a [solar] companion as small as Neptune could have the effect he sees," Levison said.

They leave out the possibility, that there could be multiple bodies with varying sizes, whose sum causes the distortions, osit.

For a good example of the method cited above to discover by inference, the presence of other objects, watch this. The pertinent info starts out at 14:55.
 

Shared Joy

Jedi Council Member
Hi,
I recently listen to James McCanney's last radio show of March 20th, 2014, where he also draws attention to the multiple objects discovered in our solar system. He also explains, among other things, that the infrared detection of celestial objects gives faulty results, as a large but cold object would give a lesser heat signature, as a small but warmer object. So a dark star would be hard to detect, and even so, it would be considered very small.
It worth listening to the entire show.
http://www.jmccsci.com/WeeklyRadioShowArchivesSubPage.HTM
 

Christian

The Force is Strong With This One
Hi all,
Q: (L) How many planets are in our solar system?
A: 12

Q: (L) Could you tell us the names of all the planets, their distances from the sun, the chemical composition, and the diameter.
A:
Mercury=Opatanar, 36 million miles from Sun; 3000 mi. diameter.
Venus=Pemuntar, 67 million miles from Sun; 7,500 mi. diameter.
Earth=Saras, 93 million miles from Sun; 7,900 mi. diameter.
Mars=Masar, 141,500,000 miles from Sun; 4,200 mi. diameter.
Jupiter=Yontar, 483,400,000 miles from Sun; 88,700 diameter.
Saturn=Zendar, 886,700,000 miles from Sun; 74,500 diameter.
Uranus=Lonoponor, 1,782,700,000 miles from Sun; 31,566 diameter.
Neptune=Jinoar, 2,794,300,000 miles from Sun; 30,199 diameter.
Pluto=Opikimanaras, 3,666,100,000 miles from Sun; 1,864 diameter.
NI=Montonanas, 570,000,000,000 miles from Sun; solid matter; 7000 miles diameter.
NII=Suvurutarcar, 830,000,000,000 miles from Sun; 18000 miles diameter; hydrogen, ammonia.
NIII=Bikalamanar, 1,600,000,000,000 miles from Sun; 46000 miles diameter; hydrogen, ammonia
Titus-Bode 's law( 1776) is :
r=0.4+0.3*2^(n-1) with r :le rapport de la distance .
for n=0
We get the ratio of Mercury, it is compared with the distance between earth and sun
for n=1
we get the ratio for Venus, it is also compared with the distance between earth and sun
Earth n=2 ,
r=1, the ratio of the distance from the earth to the sun , the value is r=1
n=3 and more
….

If we compare the law of Titus-Bode and CS, we will get :

Planet n r semi-major real axis Absolute Error Relative error CS Prediction
Mercury 0 0.4 0,39 0.01 2.6% 36/93=0.387097
Venus 1 0.7 0.72 0.02 2.8% 67/93=0,72043
Earth 2 1 1 0 0 1
Mars 3 1.6 1.52 0.08 5.3% 1415/930=1.52151
Ceres?! 4 2.8 2.77 (This is an anomalie on the law of Titus Bode, and CS don't tell it)
Jupiter 5 5.2 5.20 0 0 4834/930=5.19785
Saturn 6 10 9.54 0.46 4.8 % 8867/930=9,53441
Uranus 7 19.6 19.2 0.4 2.1% 17827/930=19,1688
Neptune ? ? 30.1 ? ? 27943/930=30.4
Pluto 8 38.4 39.5 0.7 1.8% 36661/930=39.4204
Titus-Bode's law is limited from here, I am trying to use law of Titus-Bode with CS's data.
NI 9 77.2 ? ? ? 57000/930= 61.29
NII 10 154 ? ? ? 83000/930= 89.2473
NIII 11 307 ? ? ? 16000/930=172.043

Baa-Haa! This is really considerable. It can open a new reality about knowledge of the solar system.
Many thanks for CS to simplify the division easily :)

Best regards,
 

Christian

The Force is Strong With This One
Just a note, CS gives more data about diameter, maybe it's something to do with magnetic field and gravity.
 

Christian

The Force is Strong With This One
Hi all,
If we forget the flat vision that science impose on us, we will try make it more variable and dynamicaly, we get something like this:
image.jpg

I read somewhere in CS transcript, when a fish turn around, it creats or generates energy.
Maybe actually, science shows only half of thing, There is something new in there.
Thank you,
PS:the drawing is not the exact scale
 

Rennie564

Padawan Learner
Here is an excellent visual of the helical solar system.

https://youtu.be/0jHsq36_NTU https://youtu.be/0jHsq36_NTU
 

mkrnhr

SuperModerator
Moderator
FOTCM Member
The "helical model" is nothing more than a translation of the conventional heliocentric coordinates system. For example, if someone is on a moving train (relative coordinates) and drops an object on the floor, for this observer the trajectory of the object is a straight line. An observer outside of the train ("absolute" coordinates) will describe the movement of the object as a parabola. In the same manner, a near circular orbit of a planet in a coordinates system where the Sun is at the center of the orbit will appear as "helical" in a coordinates system where the Sun (and the planet) move in a direction parallel to the plane of the orbit. The mathematical framework that deals with such coordinates transformations is called kinematics. The animation is a nice representation.
Hope it helps.
 

Rennie564

Padawan Learner
It does help. Thank you. :) Apparently the person that made that video got a lot of comments about the movement of the sun in reference to the Galaxy and made a second animation that shows it even a bit better: http://youtu.be/C4V-ooITrws
 
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