Anyone remember "Polywater"?

[Iconoclast]

some time ago i stumbled on this subject by accident. i was a bit surprised (especially given my interest in the amazing properties of water) that i hadn't heard about it before.

here is a quick summary:

Polywater was a hypothesized polymerized form of water that was the subject of much scientific controversy during the late 1960s.

The Soviet physicist Nikolai Fedyakin, working at a small government research lab in Kostroma, Russia, had performed measurements on the properties of water that had been condensed in, or repeatedly forced through, narrow quartz capillary tubes. Some of these experiments resulted in what was seemingly a new form of water with a higher boiling point, lower freezing point, and much higher viscosity than ordinary water, about that of a syrup.

Investigations of the material properties showed a substantially lower freezing point of −40 °C or less, a boiling point of 150 °C or greater, a density of approx. 1.1 to 1.2 g/cm³, and increased expansion with increasing temperature.

Instead of freezing at 0 degrees Celsius, it solidified in a brownish glassy state at minus 40 degrees; no matter how high they heated it, it didn’t boil away.

In 1969, the Office of Naval Research hosted a special symposium on polywater—a reflection of the military’s strategic desire to avoid ceding a scientific lead in polywater to the Soviets.

The Advanced Research Projects Agency (which later became the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency) awarded a grant of $75,000 to Tycho Labs of Boston to mass-produce it.

Some argued that the substance was responsible for the plasticity of clay. Others said it accounted for the ability of winter wheat seeds to survive in frozen ground and the way some animals are capable of lowering their body temperatures below 0 degrees Celsius without freezing. In total, nearly 100 scientific papers on polywater were published in the year 1970 alone, based on samples generated in labs across the country and fueled by funding from the U.S. Navy.

During this time several people questioned the authenticity of what had come to be known in the West as polywater. The main concern was contamination of the water, but the papers went to great lengths to note the care taken to avoid this. Denis Rousseau and Sergio Porto of Bell Labs carried out infrared spectrum analysis which showed polywater was made mostly of chlorine and sodium.

Chemical analysis found that samples of polywater were contaminated with other substances (explaining the changes in melting and boiling points), and examination of polywater via electron microscopy showed that it also contained small particles of various solids from silica to phospholipids, explaining its greater viscosity.

When the experiments that had produced polywater were repeated with thoroughly cleaned glassware, the anomalous properties of the resulting water vanished, and even the scientists who had originally advanced the case for polywater agreed that it did not exist. This took a few years longer in the Soviet Union, where scientists still clung to the idea.

In August, 1973, Derjaguin and N. V. Churaev published a letter in the journal Nature in which they write that, "these [anomalous] properties should be attributed to impurities rather than to the existence of polymeric water molecules."

excerpted from:
_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polywater
_http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2013/11/polywater_history_and_science_mistakes_the_u_s_and_ussr_raced_to_create.html


now here we come to the heart of the matter why this subject is still bouncing around in my head:

SO WHAT if the properties of the substance were due to "impurities"? that doesn't change the fact that it had interesting properties!
water in its pure chemical form (H2O) doesn't occur in nature anyway and is very hard to produce. it also doesn't conduct electricity. that only happens with the addition of salts.
calling H2O "water" is like calling a plain slice of bread a sandwich! without salts and other substances in solution it is "empty". all the magic in nature only begins to happen once other stuff is added to the "H2O"!

so why was polywater dismissed? did it violate our all-important mathematical models of how the universe is supposed to work and was therefore banished?
inquiring minds want to know... ;)

 

[Al Today]

[...]
so why was polywater dismissed? did it violate our all-important mathematical models of how the universe is supposed to work and was therefore banished?
inquiring minds want to know... ;)

I can see this Polywater interests you. And rightly so. Not being a trained chemist, my creative thinking on how Polywater may be used is quite limited. But what I have seen around us is that whenever something comes available that may be of ground shaking benefit to mankind is sometimes buried, lost, bye bye...

So I may ask you that while contemplating the potential uses of Polywater, question who may not benefit. Who would have money/power/contol to lose if some sort of ground breaking use of Polywater is found?

Another reason for it's burial is perhaps Polywater is a stepping stone to some kind of other world shaking technology? And I can go on and on...
Evidently, for some unknown reason, perhaps someone wants the world to forget Polywater.

Typical, yes? Surprising, no...

 

[Minas Tirith]

properties of water that had been condensed in, or repeatedly forced through, narrow quartz capillary tubes. Some of these experiments resulted in what was seemingly a new form of water with a higher boiling point, lower freezing point, and much higher viscosity than ordinary water, about that of a syrup.

Funny that this comes up now, I just saw a TV program about prehistoric monuments in UK and Ireland. The program was the usual blarb nobody-knows-anything-but-tries-to-talk-an-hour-about-it and I was tempted to switch it off when they started showing Newgrange in Ireland. (I just saw that there are a couple of threads here and will look into them later) Thing is, Newgrange's outer wall, or so it seems, completely consists of quartz stones.

I would like to
know what these objects, or devices, carved into these ancient statues represented?
A: Conductor.
Q: What did these conductors conduct? Were these the sound machines that you have described previously?
A: No.
Q: What did they conduct?
A: Quartzine energy from atmospheric source.
Q: What was this energy used for?
A: All.
Q: Well you have described a lot of things that did all kinds of things... the pyramid, Stonehenge...
A: When one harnesses free energy, no limitations need apply.

So who knows what else the quartz is doing to the water ...

M.T.

 

[MusicMan]

It would be very interesting if it turned out that 'polywater' shows a negative resistance, or is super-conducting.

 

[aluminumfalcon]

Thanks for bringing up this subject Iconoclast.

I had no knowledge of this before and it certainly is interesting. You have piqued my interest and I will endeavor to look into this more. BTW, I recently purchased a book about water which I came across through the Thunderbolts.info website. The author is Gerald Pollack and the book is called: The Fourth Phase of Water. It just arrived today and I have not yet the chance to read it. Since you mentioned your interest in water I thought that I'd mention it. Here's the link:

http://www.thunder-stuff.com/Gerald-Pollack-Books/b/9879253011?ie=UTF8&title=Gerald+Pollack

 

[Jones]

A few years back I was reading an historical novel called ‘Kal’ by Judy Nunn about Kalgoorlie, a desert mining town in Western Australia. There was a curious line in the book about how a woman fed her horses ‘compressed water’. I went looking for more information on compressed water at the time, but didn’t turn up much other than water can change properties when it is placed under pressure to become more viscous. I could find no references at the time to how it had been used in desert areas or other applications. Admittedly I didn’t pursue the topic in any great depth.

This is possibly some useless free association but thinking about the subject now there may be some curious connections with other stuff.

Gurdjieff uses the horse to symbolise the emotional centre. Candace Pert (Molecules of Emotion) and May Wun Ho (The Rainbow and the Worm) both talk about structures in the soft tissues found throughout the whole body that when viewed under the microscope show a liquid crystalline structure through which the speed of communication throughout the body is faster than the nervous system. From memory the word superluminal was used by May Wun Ho.

Also it’s curious that the subject of cold showers has come up again on the forum with the mention of vasoconstriction and blood being forced through constricted blood vessels. I wonder if the liquid portion of the blood or body in general can change properties under such conditions? I also wonder if the properties of this liquid crystalline structure in the soft tissues changes? Internal compression of water maybe?

 

[Zasino]

Here’s a puzzling experience I witnessed repeatedly some years ago while working at an applied research institute: a group (not my own) was developing a device to homogenize a liquid. The liquid was slowly pumped through a spiraling stainless steel pipe, and the spiral was immersed in a (stainless steel) vat filled with water. By having the vat vibrate by ultrasound, and using the water as a transmitting medium, the liquid would exit the spiral in a homogenized state.
So far so good.
The weird problem seen by this group was that after a few hours of operation, the homogenizing effect gradually vanished. To make it work again, the water had to be replaced. Chemically and physically the “spent” water was indistinguishable from the replacement, they even used distilled water to exclude any possible effects from solutes.
Lots of head-scratching ensued.

Water still seems to be holding a few secrets despite its apparent simplicity, OSIT.

 

[Iconoclast]

The author is Gerald Pollack and the book is called: The Fourth Phase of Water.

i have watched several of mr. pollack's videos and found them very interesting. looks to me like he might be on to something.

 

[Don Diego]

Thanks Iconoclast for bringing this ! and to all the interesting comments

It just picked my curiosity so naturally went there :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-T7tCMUDXU

VERY interesting to say the least! Polywater, jelly, would be what he calls EZwater, an intermediate state between solid and liquid, essencially and electric phenomenon!

Indeed very dangerous for the ptb, it could open the door to free energy, permanent health etc.
Gerard Pollack blowed my mind, thanks aluminumfalcon!

 

[Zasino]

The author is Gerald Pollack and the book is called: The Fourth Phase of Water.

i have watched several of mr. pollack's videos and found them very interesting. looks to me like he might be on to something.

Hi, agreed.
I just read two papers commenting on Pollack’s book, where the author, Miles Mathis, makes some intelligent and interesting points. He also describes a few flaws in Pollack’s experiments and theory.
I know Miles Mathis’ ideas do not go down well with everybody even on this forum, but in spite of (or precisely because of) his few rough edges I kind of like the guy. I especially admire his multidisciplinary knowledge, rigorous approach and his courage to tell truth to power – the scientific establishment.
Here are the first paragraphs of the first paper. They can be downloaded at http://milesmathis.com/poll.pdf and http://milesmathis.com/poll2.pdf.

“[Pollack] is taking a lot of heat lately for republishing and re-running some old water experiments the mainstream would like to keep hidden. As we have seen over and over, the mainstream loves to bury data that is negative to their pet theories, and so they are not happy to see Pollack dragging this data back out into the open. If you search on “Gerald Pollack Quack”, you get pages and pages of results, which is to be expected. Also to be expected is that none of these pages have any content. They are all ad hominem attacks or dishonest reporting, saying he said things he did not say. For instance, I discovered that the main talking point against Pollack appears to be that he said the body is 99% water. I read his book and he never said that. He is a tenured professor at a major university with all the requisite degrees, so it is unlikely he wouldn't know the percentage of water in the human body. He says that water molecules are about 99% by number, not by total weight or volume. But since his critics don't want to address his actual data or ideas, they have to make up something.
Pollack is also taking heat for promoting other against-the-mainstream figures like Gilbert Ling. I will show in this paper that Pollack, Ling, and the rest of those mentioned in Pollack's book are far more correct than the mainstream. None of them appear to be fully aware of the role of charge in all this, but for the rest they are mostly correct.”