Are you going to Vote?

meta-agnostic said:
But looking at the early returns, it looks entirely possible if not downright likely that we could have a reverse-of-2000 vote skew with Obama winning the electoral vote and Romney winning the popular.

OK, so it doesn't look like this is going to happen as of now. A million or so "votes" though, I supposed it could have been made to happen if it served a purposed. Which makes me wonder again what exactly was going on in 2000 with the Florida crisis. Was it a staged psy-op to distract or somehow condition people to a new reality, or was it in fact on some level a coup d'état? Forgive me if I seem to remember writings from SotT and related sites that categorize it as a coup. And full disclosure to be clear: I voted for Nader that year.

I agree with the overwhelming tone on this site of "voting does not matter", but has it never mattered at all in any election in the history of the USA, or anywhere in the world? Even if votes are supposedly counted, it seems kind of pointless if the (only) two candidates are selected by some higher authority, and I know firsthand that this often happens even at lower state levels. But wasn't JFK "selected" and later considered to be a mistake? However difficult it is to quantify our declining freedoms overall, I know Florida in 2000 was considered by a lot of people a bellwether for our votes not really counting at all anymore.
 
anart said:
trendsetter37 said:
Lisa Guliani said:
I will not vote. I'm walking away from that game of make-believe.... :D

My parents think I'm crazy for voting. My question is how do we explain to others why we don't want to vote when they must likely won't accept your reasoning?

Why do you have to explain it to others (who wouldn't understand) at all? http://www.cassiopedia.org/glossary/Strategic_enclosure

Thanks for the link. That helped tremendously!
 
In regards to California's Prop. 37, I was amazed at how difficult it was to even find information on the results! I've seen a number of articles from Zerohedge posted on SotT, and they had an entry dedicated to different results sites from the MSM:
_http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-11-06/live-election-tracker
From what I could tell, of all the sites they linked to, only the NY Times displayed any results for prop. 37. The rest either had no ballot measure data or only listed a few like tax increases, repealing the death penalty, etc. I mean, I guess that's enough, right? California has a ton of ballot measures. Genetically modifies foods?! Only hippies care about stuff like that! Let's stick to what's important. :/

Anyway, it looks like prop. 37 is going down 47% yes to 53% no. I would love to hear from anyone in California who witnessed this ad campaign. What did they do, scare everyone into thinking their food prices would skyrocket? I know, not like it really matters anymore.
http://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/ballot-measures/
And trying to avoid unnecessary googling, california.gov doesn't work but ca.gov does? Really California? At least the classic '90s www.state.ca.us format still works.

Sorry if I'm being noisy with my vestigial "caring about elections" program running. :halo:
 
My coworker's comment on the election result this morning was, she heard a DJ on the radio say "Rape Lost, Marijuana Won, I'm happy!" :rolleyes:
 
I promised to post back if I went to a polling site. In doing quite a bit of errand running yesterday, I drove past 4 polling sites. All of them had crowded parking lots, and 3 of the 4 had lines out the door. I saw local police at 2 locations, one of those being at a very highly regarded Jewish Community Center. Because I was busier than usual, AND since just driving past these places seemed to make me feel physically ill, I didn't park and go in. :rolleyes:
Besides the typical nonsensical garbage on my Facebook news feed about the importance of 'voting and our duty as citizens', there were posts telling of the 'goodies' one received after. One person was bragging about how her location could 'Do voting right!', with the reward being Mc.Donalds, Starbucks, and Dunkin Donuts. Others complained that all they 'got' was a small candy bar or sticker. I shouldn't be surprised at these less than juvenile response's, but part of me is. A 'reward' expected?! A 'bad' reward actually complained about?! Such children. Such disconnect. Such delusional expectations in voting for one, and then expecting a 'reward' in doing so. :thdown:
 
meta-agnostic said:
In regards to California's Prop. 37... I would love to hear from anyone in California who witnessed this ad campaign. What did they do, scare everyone into thinking their food prices would skyrocket? I know, not like it really matters anymore.:

CA resident here...I don't read the adviser flyers. I cut out my name and address and toss them into the recycle bin. However, there is a theory floating out here that the GMO PTB torpedoed Prop 37 because any kind of GMO labeling on products that go to a more GMO-sensitive market, such as Europe, would flatline and be a financial disaster for those "killer" companies. So, beware Europeans who buy USA goods...the GMO is still there whether you are notified about it or not! ...Just what I heard.
 
KJN said:
meta-agnostic said:
In regards to California's Prop. 37... I would love to hear from anyone in California who witnessed this ad campaign. What did they do, scare everyone into thinking their food prices would skyrocket? I know, not like it really matters anymore.:

CA resident here...I don't read the adviser flyers. I cut out my name and address and toss them into the recycle bin. However, there is a theory floating out here that the GMO PTB torpedoed Prop 37 because any kind of GMO labeling on products that go to a more GMO-sensitive market, such as Europe, would flatline and be a financial disaster for those "killer" companies. So, beware Europeans who buy USA goods...the GMO is still there whether you are notified about it or not! ...Just what I heard.

Not sure how European import laws work concerning this?

On the voter question, had wishful thinking that people actualy had a real chance to say something against entropy on this issue. Seems too the voter ‘question’ of Proposition 37 had some strange funny language also, but have to ask myself, if in a voter box with the question on labeling of gmo food staring me in the face; Yes, No, how on earth could people not say yes? Perhaps i’m mistaken to think this is a no brainer despite the propaganda. If held in almost any European country, think this would be so in a very high percentage of the population. So what’s with that in California? Is this a frequency fence thing, voting fraud, honestly, just don’t get it, and what is worse, these people who voted “No” have children, families and loved ones, they have to know this is poison unless it is the old maxim of being told a lie enough you start to believe it – guess this is so. Just prior, attended a community information presentation (around 2 hours) on gmo’s, and there were around 50 people in attendance. A few days later the annual flu virus shots were being jabbed and the attendance was > 700 in a small town – so ok, i get it, people don’t care and have bought the fear and lies and as this study below describes, their awareness as being very low.

If interested, not that it matters anymore; past tense, the following is contained in a pdf format study on what the “beliefs” were on this subject and it shows some interesting results:


_http://agecon.okstate.edu/faculty/publications/4369.pdf

This study was funded by the Willard Sparks Endowment at Oklahoma State University. No funding was provided by groups supporting or opposing Proposition 37.

study said:
Overall, California voters were highly uninformed about the use of genetic engineering in general and about Prop 37 in particular. Only 43% could correctly identify the topic of Prop 37 out of six topics presented. When asked what percentage of corn, soybean, and wheat acres were planted with GE varieties in the U.S., respondents indicated, on average, 48%, 47%, and 45% respectively (the reality is 88%, 93%, and 0%). On average, voters thought 47% of products on grocery store shelves had GE ingredients. When asked if any products sold by Coke/Pespi, Frito Lay, Kashi, and Kellogg contained GE ingredients, only 31%, 45%, 21%, and 41% answered in the affirmative.
 
voyageur said:
Not sure how European import laws work concerning this?

On the voter question, had wishful thinking that people actualy had a real chance to say something against entropy on this issue. Seems too the voter ‘question’ of Proposition 37 had some strange funny language also, but have to ask myself, if in a voter box with the question on labeling of gmo food staring me in the face; Yes, No, how on earth could people not say yes? Perhaps i’m mistaken to think this is a no brainer despite the propaganda. If held in almost any European country, think this would be so in a very high percentage of the population. So what’s with that in California? Is this a frequency fence thing, voting fraud, honestly, just don’t get it, and what is worse, these people who voted “No” have children, families and loved ones, they have to know this is poison unless it is the old maxim of being told a lie enough you start to believe it – guess this is so. Just prior, attended a community information presentation (around 2 hours) on gmo’s, and there were around 50 people in attendance. A few days later the annual flu virus shots were being jabbed and the attendance was > 700 in a small town – so ok, i get it, people don’t care and have bought the fear and lies and as this study below describes, their awareness as being very low.

If interested, not that it matters anymore; past tense, the following is contained in a pdf format study on what the “beliefs” were on this subject and it shows some interesting results:


_http://agecon.okstate.edu/faculty/publications/4369.pdf

This study was funded by the Willard Sparks Endowment at Oklahoma State University. No funding was provided by groups supporting or opposing Proposition 37.

study said:
Overall, California voters were highly uninformed about the use of genetic engineering in general and about Prop 37 in particular. Only 43% could correctly identify the topic of Prop 37 out of six topics presented. When asked what percentage of corn, soybean, and wheat acres were planted with GE varieties in the U.S., respondents indicated, on average, 48%, 47%, and 45% respectively (the reality is 88%, 93%, and 0%). On average, voters thought 47% of products on grocery store shelves had GE ingredients. When asked if any products sold by Coke/Pespi, Frito Lay, Kashi, and Kellogg contained GE ingredients, only 31%, 45%, 21%, and 41% answered in the affirmative.

I'm quite shocked myself about the results for Prop 37. I really don't understand how people could vote No. It's not like they're being asked to vote for a ban on GMO. I think it may be a combination of all the factors you mention. As we have seen with the US elections (and non-US as well), it is very easy to rig the votes and when dealing with corporations like Monsanto who have connections in high places, it is entirely possible that at least part of the votes were rigged. The wording for Prop 37 may also have been written in a way to confuse voters but that 's speculation on my part (has anyone voted here?). The frequency fence and a whole range of factors (diet, flouride, HAARP etc.) combined with a lack of knowledge on GMO foods have definitely impacted people's perception of what's actually good and healthy. Also, as the paper you posted shows, the 'No to Propr 37' campaign would have influenced millions of people who are stuck in front of the TV 24/7.
 
Eboard10 said:
I'm quite shocked myself about the results for Prop 37. I really don't understand how people could vote No. It's not like they're being asked to vote for a ban on GMO. I think it may be a combination of all the factors you mention. As we have seen with the US elections (and non-US as well), it is very easy to rig the votes and when dealing with corporations like Monsanto who have connections in high places, it is entirely possible that at least part of the votes were rigged. The wording for Prop 37 may also have been written in a way to confuse voters but that 's speculation on my part (has anyone voted here?). The frequency fence and a whole range of factors (diet, flouride, HAARP etc.) combined with a lack of knowledge on GMO foods have definitely impacted people's perception of what's actually good and healthy. Also, as the paper you posted shows, the 'No to Propr 37' campaign would have influenced millions of people who are stuck in front of the TV 24/7.

This is completely anecdotal, but a friend of mine from California said that what was really getting people riled up was the disinformation that labeling GMO foods would increase the price of food in general (and everyone would sue one another). However, he did still say that, as far as he was aware, everyone he knew was still planning on voting "yes" for prop 37.

I definitely understand your shock Eboard10, and I'm glad that I'm still shocked, at least a little bit, by how ridiculous this whole thing is. But would they rig it? Of course they could, and would, but I guess the definition is along the lines of what rigging really means anyways. If spreading lies counts as rigging then I'd say hands down it was rigged. But hey, it's a strategy that's worked wonders for politicians and businessmen since forever, so why would they stop now? I personally think this whole voting thing is simply for the illusion of control, so that people can feel safe because they are convinced they can control what happens in their lives. Because without that illusion of safety then, like any animal, people would react in unpredictable ways. So better to dumb us down, poison us, feed us with lies, and wait until the right time to take away the illusion and give us the new level of slavery we've essentially asked for. Our lives are a mirror of what we are, and collectively, as Americans, whether our votes are rigged with sophisticated technology (like Diebold) or sophisticated lies and forced choices/false debates, we still accept it because it's not that repulsive to us.

Anyways, here's an article from Natural News that I found on Facebook about Prop 37.

_http://www.naturalnews.com/037901_prop_37_vote_fraud_ballot_measure.html#ixzz2Bj5nOFDH

(NaturalNews) Hold your horses.

On election night, not long after the polls closed in California, the announcement came out: Prop 37 was losing. A little while later, it was all over. 37 had gone down to defeat.

But is that the whole story? No.

As of 2:30PM today, Thursday, November 8th, two days after the election, many votes in California remain uncounted.

I tried to find out how many.

It turns out that the Secretary of State of CA, responsible for elections in the state, doesn't know.

I was told all counties in California have been asked, not ordered, to report in with those figures. It's voluntary.

So I picked out a few of the biggest counties and called their voter registrar offices. Here are the boggling results:

Santa Clara County: 180,000 votes remain uncounted.

Orange County: 241,336 votes remain uncounted.

San Diego County: 475,000 votes remain uncounted.

LA County: 782,658 votes remain uncounted.

In just those four counties, 1.6 million votes remain uncounted.

The California Secretary of State's website indicates that Prop 37 is behind by 559,776 votes.

So in the four counties I looked into, there are roughly three times as many uncounted votes as the margin of Prop 37's defeat.

And as I say, I checked the numbers in only four counties. There are 54 other counties in the state. Who knows how many votes they still need to process?

So why is anyone saying Prop 37 lost?

People will say, "Well, it's all about projections. There are experts. They know what they're doing. They made a prediction..."

Really? Who are those experts? I have yet to find them.

For big elections, the television networks rely on a private consortium called the National Election Pool (NEP). NEP does projections and predictions. Did NEP make the premature call on Prop 37? So far I see no evidence one way or the other.

NEP makes some calls for the television networks, but NEP is composed of CBS, CNN, FOX, NBC, ABC, and AP. It could hardly be called an independent source of information for those networks.

NEP has AP (Associated Press) do the actual vote tabulating, and NEP also contracts work out to Edison Media Research and Mitofsky International to do exit polls and projections based on those polls.

Edison Media Research did the exit polls in the state of Washington for this election. How? They surveyed 1493 people by phone. Based on that, I assume they made all the projections for elections in that state, even though there is no in-person voting in Washington, and voters can submit their ballots by mail, postmarked no later than election Tuesday. So how could Edison know anything worth knowing or projecting on election night?

Both Edison Research and Mitofsky were involved in the 2004 election scandal (Kerry-Bush), in which their exit polls confounded network news anchors, because the poll results were so far off from the incoming vote-counts.

Edison and Mitofsky issued a later report explaining how the disparity could have occurred; they tried to validate their own exit-poll data and the vote-count, which was like explaining a sudden shift in ocean tides by saying clouds covered the moon. It made no sense.

So if NEP did the premature Prop 37 projections that handed 37 a resounding loss, there is little reason to accept their word.

We're faced with a scandal here. An early unwarranted projection against Prop 37 was made, when so many votes were still uncounted.

Those votes are still uncounted.

Why should we believe anything that comes next?
 
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Anyways, here's an article from Natural News that I found on Facebook about Prop 37.

_http://www.naturalnews.com/037901_prop_37_vote_fraud_ballot_measure.html#ixzz2Bj5nOFDH

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That was from the 9th and is followed up with this on the 10th:


_http://www.naturalnews.com/037913_vote_fraud_Proposition_37_election.html

Saturday, November 10, 2012 by: Jon Rappoport

[snip]

Here is what happened on election night in California. With many millions of votes still not counted, television stations up and down the state sealed the fate of Prop 37, by saying it had lost.

Many of those California votes are still uncounted. Yesterday, by consulting four of the 57 county registrars in the state, I found 1.6 million votes still unprocessed. That was chicken feed.

An updated report, as of noon today, November 9, posted at the California Secretary of State's website, indicates that, for all of California, a boggling 3.3 million votes remain uncounted.

So who called the shots? Who made the early and grossly premature projection on election night? Who told all the media outlets that Prop 37 had been defeated?

I suspected it was Edison Media Research, an outfit that works for the National Election Pool (NEP). NEP is a media consortium that supplies election-night information to the press. This morning I spoke with a representative of Edison, who told me they didn't make the projection on Prop 37.

If true, that leaves Associated Press (AP) as the leading suspect. AP is part of the National Election Pool as well. AP has awesome resources.

I spoke with Erin Madigan White, media relations manager at AP. I asked her whether AP had made the projections for Prop 37 to media outlets.

She emailed me the following tidbit. It was not quite an answer to my question, but it was illuminating:

"To clarify: AP does not make 'projections,' but bases our reporting on counting real votes from every precinct. As our story notes specifically, 'With all the state's precincts reporting, Proposition 37 failed 53.1 percent to 46.9 percent.'"

When someone gives you this kind of sleight-of-hand maneuver, it's called a clue. Let's start with this phrase: "With all the state's precincts reporting." The precincts were all reporting PARTIAL results. Even today, there are 3.3 million votes in CA still to be counted.

This tells you that AP was lying. That's right. Let's call it what it was. They were lying about "all precincts." It was an intentional con.

And what does the phrase "bases our reporting on counting real votes" mean? It certainly means "calling the result of an election." Because that's exactly what AP did with Prop 37, based on partial results, on Nov.8. That's a projection. They say they don't make projections, but they do. That's another lie.

On election night, I believe AP must have been the entity who passed voting information on Prop 37 to media outlets throughout California.

AP will not speak about their business relationships with media outlets. They will not name those outlets. They claim "client confidentiality" on this matter. Why?

I believe the answer is obvious. AP, the giant wire service, doesn't want people to know how much influence they have on what media outlets report. AP doesn't want the public to know how much of the news, everywhere, comes from AP. And media outlets don't want their own customers to know how much of what they report is really flat-out or recycled AP material.

This powerful AP influence certainly would extend to election-night reporting.

Knowing how the National Election Pool basically works, I see no other entity who could have played that information-provider role for all the networks, TV stations, radio stations, websites, and newspapers in California...and in the country, on this past election night, with respect to Prop 37.

With millions of votes outstanding and uncounted, I conclude it was AP who provided the data to the networks, who then made the early calls against Prop 37 and sank it.

After I wrote the original article yesterday, which exposed the big lie about Prop 37 early projections, I received many emails. You can read that article here:


...

So, no, Virginia. No. Everything is not okay.

There is also this from 'Organic Consumers Association Statement on California Prop 37 Uncounted Votes':

_http://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2012/11/12?print

“The OCA, along with the California Right to Know Campaign and its attorneys, are closely monitoring the ongoing vote count process,” said Ronnie Cummins, Director of the OCA and OCF, which contributed more than $1 million to the Prop 37 campaign. “We will challenge the outcome if the final count indicates more YES than NO votes, or if the results are substantially different from our pre-election polls.”

Not sure how the rest of the US states related to this California vote? Was it just one of those polarized state issues and we have our own issues type thing? One would expect on an issue like this, that neighboring brothers and sister states would be flooding that states electorate with demands of accountability. This corrupt lobby needs to be smashed into a thousand pieces, yet the power they yield seems to own everything and they likely, in this vote, left nothing to chance and laid plans for the end vote findings such as we have just seen.

It is despicable. :mad:
 
I did vote on the propositions, in California. It's a mail-in process that costs me little time, and provides the opportunity to vote "no" on things I don't think belong on the ballot -- i.e. most propositions, placed there by "interest groups." There are also things like school bonds to consider, not that I have any great faith in public education.

I refuse to "vote for a party." My work sometimes brings me in contact with legislators and their staff, and I haven't met one yet that I would vote for individually. That makes voting quick and easy.

The one issue that did at least catch my attention in the presidential "race" was that one of the candidates seemed to want to eliminate the federal funding out of which my salary is paid, not that anything either one of them said could be believed. That does tend to make it seem more personal, even if voting has little if anything to do with the outcome. In any event, he lost and I still don't know that the other one won't make the cuts anyway.

It will be interesting to see if there is any life left in prop. 37. What bugs me most about that is that I have no way of knowing, as things stand, if the people of this state really voted it down or if industry rigged the vote. Either is quite possible. Of course, if you take the time and trouble to educate yourself then you can get along without GMO labels, and it has no impact on my shopping. Still, ...
 

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