At what stage of pregnancy a reincarnating soul descends into a new body?

[Εἰρήνη]

I would like to ask the C’s the following question:
At what exact point of pregnancy a reincarnating soul descends into a new body? Does it happen the moment a heart starts beating? Or the moment an embryo attaches to a uterus? Or the moment a sperm penetrates an egg? Or perhaps even before that? When exactly, talking from our 3-D perspective, does this magical moment happen?

 

[sacriface]

Hi Εἰρήvη,
I remember this being asked to the C's in one of the sessions that I cannot locate right now, they said this happens and the moment of cutting the umbilical cord of the newborn baby.

FWIW, It would make sense from our 3D perspective, that this happens when a child becomes an independent body unit physically.

 

[Εἰρήνη]

Thank you for your fast response, ametist.
I wanted to find that session, but my search wasn't successful. Maybe I was using wrong key words.
If this this happens at the moment of cutting the umbilical cord of the newborn baby, then why have I heard of so many experiences of communications with the souls of unborn children?
I guess my question should be: at what stage of the pregnancy a decision being made "up there" for a specific soul to be descended into a body of a specific child?

 

[Laura]

No, the Cs never said any such thing. However, based on research (though we CAN ask the Cs!), it seems that it varies. Most sources say that the soul hovers around and may "check the fit" a few times during late pregnancy, but doesn't stay. Then, supposedly, this periodic "putting on the body" increases after birth until the age of 6 to 9 years when the soul's inhabiting the body becomes more or less constant. But even then, the soul's ability to fully communicate with and master the physical is limited by the strength of pyschophysiological programs. Most human beings never "seat the soul" in full awareness, they simply run on programs. And in many other cases, the soul atrophies, shrinks, or crystallizes in a deformed manner.

Best to read Ouspensky's "In Search of the Miraculous" and Mouravieff's "Gnosis" trilogy for hints about this topic. Rudolf Steiner and Edgar Cayce also had some interesting contributions, but I would tend to ignore Blavatsky and most other Theosophists.

 

[riclapaz]

Hi, I found this session regarding what Laura has written:


https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,25894.msg308388.html#msg308388

January 14, 1995

Frank, Laura, Terry and Jan, Tom M and Andrea


Q: (L) Why is the movement so slow this evening?

A: It will speed up dramatically, so be patient. Send the little one away, please.

Q: (L) Why do the children have to be kept at a distance?

A: As protection against possible psychic damage as soul is not yet fully blossomed!

Q: (L) Does this mean that when a person's soul comes into their body at birth that it is kind of like reduced to a seed form or like the bud of a flower, and that the growing up years are either the rooting or...

A: It is a reawakening period.

Q: (L) Does that mean that when the soul comes into the body that it cannot, at that point, remember any of it's past experiences...

A: Cycle.

 

[l apprenti de forgeron]

It's a very interesting question to investigate. Also associated with the moral and legal problems regarding the issue of abortion.

 

[Εἰρήνη]

No, the Cs never said any such thing. However, based on research (though we CAN ask the Cs!), it seems that it varies. Most sources say that the soul hovers around and may "check the fit" a few times during late pregnancy, but doesn't stay. Then, supposedly, this periodic "putting on the body" increases after birth until the age of 6 to 9 years when the soul's inhabiting the body becomes more or less constant. But even then, the soul's ability to fully communicate with and master the physical is limited by the strength of psychophysiological programs. Most human beings never "seat the soul" in full awareness, they simply run on programs. And in many other cases, the soul atrophies, shrinks, or crystallizes in a deformed manner.

Best to read Ouspensky's "In Search of the Miraculous" and Mouravieff's "Gnosis" trilogy for hints about this topic. Rudolf Steiner and Edgar Cayce also had some interesting contributions, but I would tend to ignore Blavatsky and most other Theosophists.

Dear Laura, thank you very much for your insight.
I would like to clarify that my question was about souled individuals, not about the soul-less ones.
Thank you for pointing out that a soul can be degraded or smashed even in souled individuals.
A soul definitely needs to be nurtured. A soul descending into a body is like a free bird being put in a cage of psychophysiological programs. The liberation can be achieved by neutralizing those programs and breaking free from illusions.
I will definitely search for clues in the sources you have shared with me.
I hope C's are also going to help us learn more about this fascinating phenomenon.

 

[Εἰρήνη]

Hi, I found this session regarding what Laura has written:

https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,25894.msg308388.html#msg308388

January 14, 1995

Frank, Laura, Terry and Jan, Tom M and Andrea


Q: (L) Why is the movement so slow this evening?

A: It will speed up dramatically, so be patient. Send the little one away, please.

Q: (L) Why do the children have to be kept at a distance?

A: As protection against possible psychic damage as soul is not yet fully blossomed!

Q: (L) Does this mean that when a person's soul comes into their body at birth that it is kind of like reduced to a seed form or like the bud of a flower, and that the growing up years are either the rooting or...

A: It is a reawakening period.

Q: (L) Does that mean that when the soul comes into the body that it cannot, at that point, remember any of it's past experiences...

A: Cycle.

riclapaz, thank you for bringing up this session.
it seems that everything has cyclic nature, including the development of a soul in a potentially souled individual during a lifetime. We can assume that the C’s mean that under the right conditions the seed of the soul can reawaken and with continued nurture it can even blossom. But without proper input and care the seed will never become a flower. And I guess the soul cycle, just like many other things in nature, is in a process of rising and returning, while enriching itself with experiences.

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[Εἰρήνη]

It's a very interesting question to investigate. Also associated with the moral and legal problems regarding the issue of abortion.

Yes, l apprenti de forgeron,
Abortion is a very painful topic for people who find themselves facing the moral dilemma of whether or not to terminate a pregnancy. A woman’s decision to do an abortion perhaps could interfere with the lesson profile of a specific soul that made a decision to generate into a developing body.
Here is what I was able to find on this topic:
Session 26 December 1998:
Q: (A) Why should we be more responsible for our children than for other people?

A: What do you mean?

Q: (A) Why do we worry so much about our children when they are grown; we spend so much energy on this; we lose sleep; but these are separate souls, so should we not practice to become immune to this worry? Why do we worry about our children?

A: Genetic/emotional/hormonal/instinctual/karmic interface is most intense there.

Q: Does it have to do with a pre-life agreement to interact in certain ways, to do certain things?

A: Partly. Souls chose you as a vehicle for primary learning regarding karmic lesson profile.

So the questions are:
1. Can abortion interfere with a soul’s plan for its ‘primary learning regarding karmic lesson profile’?
2. At what stage of pregnancy could abortion disrupt the plans of the soul to generate in this new body and interfere with the soul’s lesson profile?

 

[BHelmet]

No, the Cs never said any such thing. However, based on research (though we CAN ask the Cs!), it seems that it varies. Most sources say that the soul hovers around and may "check the fit" a few times during late pregnancy, but doesn't stay. Then, supposedly, this periodic "putting on the body" increases after birth until the age of 6 to 9 years when the soul's inhabiting the body becomes more or less constant. But even then, the soul's ability to fully communicate with and master the physical is limited by the strength of pyschophysiological programs......

I can only comment regarding my own experience and memories which are co-linear with the above observations. Through some odd circumstances, I do remember some of the details. My tonsils became infected when I was 18 months old and I was operated on/anesthetised. (somehow this 'going under' allowed me, at this young age, to subconsciously connect with my earlier experiences just prior to birth.) In a later traumatic, life-threatening experience climbing up a cliff, it came back to me.

I remembered circling the world 'looking' for my parents. I recalled 'seeing' their great love for each other and choosing them: "Aha! there's my parents!" I did 'check in' early in the pregnancy - when I realized I was re-entering life I kind of freaked out and put myself back to 'sleep'. I resurfaced and 'came to' in the birth canal. Again I freaked out when I realized that I was coming back as a baby (and not a fully grown human) and would have to go through the whole life process again. It was a Luke Skywalker kind of "NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" moment. LOL, I remember trying to stiffen my arms and legs to prevent myself from coming out! Or so I thought. Of course I was 'turned around' and actually came out head first, in the usual way. For a second or two, my consciousness remained in the womb and I could see the doctor holding me up in the bright light. I zoomed back into my body and went unconscious again as the reality hit me. "Sigh... Dang!"

Yes, I was always sort of a strange child.

 

[Εἰρήνη]

I can only comment regarding my own experience and memories which are co-linear with the above observations. Through some odd circumstances, I do remember some of the details. My tonsils became infected when I was 18 months old and I was operated on/anesthetised. (somehow this 'going under' allowed me, at this young age, to subconsciously connect with my earlier experiences just prior to birth.) In a later traumatic, life-threatening experience climbing up a cliff, it came back to me.

I remembered circling the world 'looking' for my parents. I recalled 'seeing' their great love for each other and choosing them: "Aha! there's my parents!" I did 'check in' early in the pregnancy - when I realized I was re-entering life I kind of freaked out and put myself back to 'sleep'. I resurfaced and 'came to' in the birth canal. Again I freaked out when I realized that I was coming back as a baby (and not a fully grown human) and would have to go through the whole life process again. It was a Luke Skywalker kind of "NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" moment. LOL, I remember trying to stiffen my arms and legs to prevent myself from coming out! Or so I thought. Of course I was 'turned around' and actually came out head first, in the usual way. For a second or two, my consciousness remained in the womb and I could see the doctor holding me up in the bright light. I zoomed back into my body and went unconscious again as the reality hit me. "Sigh... Dang!"

Yes, I was always sort of a strange child.

BHelmet, thank you for sharing your experience. It is amazing that you remember such details!
I have read of experiences similar to yours revealed by psychologists during hypnosis sessions with their patients.
It seems that through traumatic events such as the ones you went through we can consciously connect to our soul and "remember" or realize things otherwise unreachable to some of us.
I few weeks ago I had a conversation with a person who was able to understand the totality and the whole vastness of the universe and the place of his soul in it during the very last few seconds before his airplane crushed. And suddenly he "remembered" many things like they were never "forgotten".

We should find less traumatic ways to unlock this information. Self-hypnosis could be one of them.
This is a very important part of the Work.

Maybe it would be a good idea to share such experiences so we can have a better understanding about our experiences and how to unlock the "memories of the soul".

 

[BHelmet]

BHelmet, thank you for sharing your experience. It is amazing that you remember such details!
I have read of experiences similar to yours revealed by psychologists during hypnosis sessions with their patients.
It seems that through traumatic events such as the ones you went through we can consciously connect to our soul and "remember" or realize things otherwise unreachable to some of us.
I few weeks ago I had a conversation with a person who was able to understand the totality and the whole vastness of the universe and the place of his soul in it during the very last few seconds before his airplane crushed. And suddenly he "remembered" many things like they were never "forgotten".

We should find less traumatic ways to unlock this information. Self-hypnosis could be one of them.
This is a very important part of the Work.

Maybe it would be a good idea to share such experiences so we can have a better understanding about our experiences and how to unlock the "memories of the soul".

Hm, this got me thinking. As for less traumatic ways, I think the C's say a lot of things which, if we really think and believe them at a deep level, make more of life and memory accessible. I mean, just think: Your soul/awareness/consciousness has been present at some level through every event of your life. Theoretically all those moments of awareness are stored somewhere/somehow and they are available to the consciousness that was present during those events. So...it's 'in there' or 'out there' some where. And if you know it is possible to self remember, well, it CAN be done.

Now, the critical events may have been accompanied by some trauma and perhaps that is why trauma, or extreme emotion can again unlock those memories. I think it is also necessary to be willing to connect with all those experiences and this takes a lot of self acceptance. I mean, we may consciously say to ourselves "Gee, I'd like to remember/know" but we probably have to overcome the fear of facing a reality that may not be all that flattering. To further complicate things, we are programmed and hypnotized / asleep for the protection of our fragile false personalities. I suppose our subconscious already knows the answer and on some level is a dysfunctional co-dependent enabler of our normal consciousness staying asleep! Wow...

In high school, I was once on the stage of one of those night club hypnotists and he booted me off. "You can't be hypnotized". I have often wondered about hypnosis but I don't know if I could find some one I trust and I also have a hunch there is a lot of stuff I agreed to leave buried out of some agreement and for my own protection anyway.

Here is a question: If you graduated to 4D and heard the calling of many souls who finally realized they were stuck here in 3D STS and desired liberation, and you also knew they were a part of the shattered soul unit you are a part of, would you intentionally come back to assist given all the risks?

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[Εἰρήνη]

Hm, this got me thinking. As for less traumatic ways, I think the C's say a lot of things which, if we really think and believe them at a deep level, make more of life and memory accessible. I mean, just think: Your soul/awareness/consciousness has been present at some level through every event of your life. Theoretically all those moments of awareness are stored somewhere/somehow and they are available to the consciousness that was present during those events. So...it's 'in there' or 'out there' some where. And if you know it is possible to self remember, well, it CAN be done.

It CAN be done. Absolutely. If there is a door, there should be a key to it. I think the physical and emotional residue, past life traumas, along with the Matrix control prevent us from “remembering”. I think EE, along with the work on increasing your awareness, has a great potential to overcome many issues.

I think it is also necessary to be willing to connect with all those experiences and this takes a lot of self acceptance. I mean, we may consciously say to ourselves "Gee, I'd like to remember/know" but we probably have to overcome the fear of facing a reality that may not be all that flattering. To further complicate things, we are programmed and hypnotized / asleep for the protection of our fragile false personalities. I suppose our subconscious already knows the answer and on some level is a dysfunctional co-dependent enabler of our normal consciousness staying asleep! Wow...

You are right, I no order to progress, we need to “strip to the bone”, as Laura says, all the illusions, false personalities, egos. The most difficult part for all, I think, is to face fears. Only the most determined and brave people are able to look in the face of their own fears and make them go away. Fear and guilt are like shackles to the soul.

I have often wondered about hypnosis but I don't know if I could find some one I trust and I also have a hunch there is a lot of stuff I agreed to leave buried out of some agreement and for my own protection anyway.

I have the same issue with hypnosis. There s no hypnotherapist I can really trust. I am studying about self-hypnosis, but so far my study didn’t bring any sufficient results in unlocking the “soul memories”. Well, I am just a beginner.

Here is a question: If you graduated to 4D and heard the calling of many souls who finally realized they were stuck here in 3D STS and desired liberation, and you also knew they were a part of the shattered soul unit you are a part of, would you intentionally come back to assist given all the risks?

I would find a way to help them from 4D. I think 4D individuals should have a capacity to do it, to a certain degree. After all, it is all about the personal choice. You can’t help someone who does not need your help.

 

[Neil]

I think most of the time you would help from 4D. You would have to be very dedicated to STO and perhaps a little bit crazy to come back. Apparently, it does happen though. There's the whole concept of Wanderers, if you're unfamiliar with that. http://thecasswiki.net/index.php?title=Wanderer

 

[Woodsman]

I think most of the time you would help from 4D. You would have to be very dedicated to STO and perhaps a little bit crazy to come back. Apparently, it does happen though. There's the whole concept of Wanderers, if you're unfamiliar with that. http://thecasswiki.net/index.php?title=Wanderer

Barbara Marciniak's first Pleiadians book, "Bringers of the Dawn" also had the concept of "Systems Busters".

In looking up the term, I re-read the relevant passage in BotD. Check out the bolded part:

We are not here to say who is right and who is wrong and who is who within the hierarchy. We simply want to bust your illusions, to pop your balloons about what you have been led to believe. We do not want to say that it is wrong; we simply want to suggest to you that you think bigger.

Feel the noticeable loss that is going to occur within this predominant energy when more and more of you don't vibrate according to its plan. Think what you can do when you overcome the frequency modulation or the insistence of your logical mind and when, with impeccability, you stand clean as a Keeper of Frequency. Remember that identity as a frequency is the sum total of your physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual bodies broadcast as electromagnetic pulsations. Every time you begin to own what someone has been siphoning off and to cultivate it according to your own will, you change the vibration on the planet.

As systems busters, this is one of the things that you are profoundly proficient in. We do not want to discredit or discount what you have used up until now as tools, we simply want you to outgrow your old tools. Some of your reverence and loyalty has been to belief systems that will no longer serve you, just as there will come a time when each of you will move beyond the steps that we are leading you through at this time. Another energy will be able to say, "Well, when the Pleiadians were showing you this, it was very good. They led you here and there. Let us take you further." There is no stopping the evolution, for there is nothing that has been given to the planet that represents the ultimate in truth.

I'd not picked up on that before.

Also...

Many of you have implants inside of you to respond to this communication and to bypass psychotronic warfare and interference that would keep your frequencies jammed and prevent you from being able to receive this information. These implants are not negative. You were not abducted and probed to receive them against your will. They are etheric implants that you called to yourself as tools to receive off-planet energies. These implants are being activated now. Many of you are finding that you are feeling altered. At different times of the day, particularly when you are going to sleep, you are hearing a variety of tones or feeling a kind of electric vibration in your body.

When this information is beamed to you, your body must be able to receive it. In order for your body to receive it, it must be in a certain state. The information is like a current, and if your body cannot handle the current it moves into a state of discomfort. The people of Earth were programmed for this time, and there is no one incarnated upon the planet who can say that they made a mistake and did not know what was going to occur here. No one was born upon this planet without a mechanism inside of them that can be activated to tune into or turn on to the ability to house these frequencies.

If I had to sum up what a great deal of SOTT is all about, I'd say something along the lines of "Preparing the body and mind for the receiving of knowledge." -The rest is the seeking, absorbing and sharing of knowledge, though presently in the most archaic forms; (reading and listening).