Atlantis

shijing

The Living Force
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Atlantis

I hadn’t originally planned to do a specific Atlantis thread, but during the time I was collecting data for the Cassiopaean timeline and Kantek threads, so much of the Atlantis information was mixed in I thought I should go ahead and put it into a thread of its own. I thought about comparing the C’s Atlantis material with that of Plato and Cayce, but since the Cassiopaean timeline project looks like it may provide a good comparative platform for that kind of information, I thought I would wait until it was up and then start adding it there. Below is the primary information I was able to gather and organize about Atlantis (with a bit about Lemuria as well):

Background

Q: (L) Was all the land on the planet earth formed into one vast continent at some point in earth’s history?
A: Multiple history reality possibilities.

Q: (L) Were Atlantis and Lemuria the most ancient of Earth’s civilizations?
A: No.

Q: (L) What advanced civilizations were before Atlantis and Lemuria?
A: Many.

Q: (L) Are there remains of Atlantis and Lemuria?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Do our scientists know of any of those?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Are they withholding information on purpose?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Have they any intention of telling about it?
A: No.

Q: (L) Do they have relics of these stored?
A: Yes.
Lemuria

Q: (L) What was the genetic combination used to obtain the Oriental races?
A: Orientals come from a region known in your legends as “Lemuria,” and are a previous hybridization from 7 genetic code structures from within Orion Union, designed to best fit the earth climate and cosmic ray environment then existent on earth.

Q: (L) Who carved the stone heads on Easter Island?
A: Lemurian descendants.

Q: (L) Where was Lemuria located?
A: Pacific off South America.

Q: (L) So when the Easter Island natives talk about their ancestors they are talking about people who came from the direction of South America?
A: No. Right near all around. Easter Island is remnant of Lemuria.

Q: (L) What happened to Lemuria?
A: Submerged close to time you refer to as Fall of Eden, approximately.
I assume the last reference is to the ‘Fall’ that occurred approximately 309,000 years ago. This seems too early for the end of Lemuria if the original Lemurians were Orientals (East Asians), but perhaps there is an explanation that I haven’t hit on yet.

Duration of Atlantis

A: Atlantis was merely a home base of an advanced civilization of 3 races of humans occupying different sections of a huge island empire, which, in itself, underwent 3 incarnations over a 100,000 year period as you would measure it.

Q: (L) And how long was the Atlantean civilization in existence?
A: 70,000 years

Q: (L) You said that the Lizzies lived among humans for a thousand years. When, in our illusion of time, did this occur?
A: During peak of Atlantis.

Q: (L) And Noah’s flood occurred 12,388 B.C., is that correct?
A: Close.

Q: (L) Now, Otto Muck came to the conclusion that the final breaking up of Atlantis occurred on June 5, 8498 B.C. Is this pretty close?
A: Close.
We know that the three races of Atlanteans were the one we now know as ‘Native Americans’, the Paranthas (who have cousins along the edge of India and Southeast Asia, and in Papua New Guinea and Australia), and the Kantekkians (see Population and Demography below). Although it is not explicitly stated, I also make the tentative assumption that the three incarnations of Atlantis were punctuated by the major cataclysms discussed later in the following way:

First incarnation of Atlantis
First cataclysm (Mars)
Second incarnation of Atlantis (perhaps now including Kantekkians? – see below)
Second cataclysm (Venus)
Third incarnation of Atlantis
Final cataclysm (crystals)

There are a couple of seeming discrepancies in the timeline for Atlantis, but these may only be apparent depending on what our assumptions are. The first discrepancy is between the durations given of 100,000 years versus 70,000 years. One hypothesis is that the 100,000-year duration marks the absolute beginning of the Atlantean civilization prior to the Kantek evacuation, whereas the 70,000-year duration marks the beginning of the period of Atlantis which included the evacuees from Kantek as the third Atlantean race. Since the Kantek evacuation occurred around 80,000 years ago (let’s say between 78,000 BC and 80,000 BC, approximately), this would mark the end of Atlantis at around 10,000 BC to 8,000 BC. The latter is close to the ‘Otto Muck’ date for the final breaking up of Atlantis, and it is also possible that the Atlantean civilization may have lasted longer than the ‘breakup’ of Atlantis itself.

The second apparent discrepancy is between the end dates for Atlantis – 12,388 BC for the ‘flood’, and 8498 BC for the ‘final breaking up’ of Atlantis. Looking at the wording closely, it seems that these two events are not necessarily the same. In fact, the first date may coincide with the second of the three cataclysms (caused by Venus), not the third (caused by crystals). See the Destruction of Atlantis section below for more details.

Size and Location

Q: (L) How big was the main island of Atlantis?
A: 1,354,000 square miles.
To compare: this would be a bit less than half the size of Australia (2,970,000 square miles), or a bit larger than India (1,269,221 square miles).

Q: I would like to know what the geographic coordinates, according to our current grid system, that would frame Atlantis. I don’t need the exact shape, just a general box shape... the perimeter...
A: Like asking: “What are the geographic coordinates of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization?”

Q: Okay, let me get more specific: the Atlantean land that was supposed to have existed in the Atlantic Ocean... what was the farthest north of any any part of Atlantis that was in the ocean, that no longer exists?
A: It is “time for you” to know that Atlantis was not a nation, land, island, or continent, but rather, a civilization!
Population and Demography

Q: You also said once that there was a nuclear war in India and that this was what was being discussed in the Vedas when it talks about the ‘blue-skinned’ people who weren’t really blue because they were Celts, and they were flying in aircraft, and they were engaged in this war, etc. Who were the Celts at war with?
A: The Paranthas.

Q: Now, wait a minute! Who are the Paranthas?! Do we have a new player here?
A: Not new.

Q: Do we know them by another name?
A: Choose.

Q: The Atlanteans? Were the Celts of India at war with the Atlanteans in the Atlantic?
A: Atlantis was merely a home base of an advanced civilization of 3 races of humans occupying different sections of a huge island empire, which, in itself, underwent 3 incarnations over a 100,000 year period as you would measure it.

Q: The 3 races were the Celts... and who were the second and third?
A: Or Kantekkians.

Q: Are the Kantekkians different from the Celts?
A: Only in the sense of long term racial and genetic blending.

Q: So, Atlantis had the Kantekkians and who else?
A: Race you would call “Native Americans,” and a third, no longer existing
race, somewhat resembling Australian or Guinean aborigines, only lighter in complexion.

Q: Was this third group destroyed by the other two?
A: One of the 3 cataclysms.

Q: Paranthas. Who were the Paranthas?
A: Nation of race mentioned above.

Q: So, the Paranthas were the antecedents of the Abos of Australia?
A: Yes, and compare to now existing peoples of India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka,
Australia, and New Guinea for similarities, bearing in mind genetic mixing and dilution.

Q: Were the Vedas written by the Paranthas or written by the Celts?
A: Descendants of Parantha, as per “Divine guidance.”

Q: Okay, I think that you said that this nuclear war happened something like 50,000 years ago. We have taken care of a couple of points; we have 3 races on Atlantis, Celts all over the place... did the Celts conquer the Atlanteans?
A: No.

Q: Did they just move in and hang out?
A: They took over the Northern section.

Q: At the same time, there were Celts in the Caucasus, along the Baltic, in Ireland, England and Europe...
A: Ireland, England, etc. was later.

Q: But there were in the Norse lands, as Sweden, Norway and Denmark, they were along the Baltic, and they were in the Caucasus?
A: Some above mentioned areas were ice covered.
In general, it looks as though the Atlantean civilization covered most of the northern hemisphere, with the Paranthas generally in southern Eurasia, the Kantekkians in northern Eurasia once they established themselves after the evacution to Earth, and the 'Native Americans' occupying the area in between and also including the Americas. South America being the only place in the southern hemisphere (besides Antarctica, see below) that may be indirectly connected to Atlantis -- the other present-day continents such as Africa and Australia and their native populations are never mentioned in this context. As I mentioned in the Kantek thread, I have a working hypothesis that northeastern Eurasia (where Nostratic languages are primarily spoken but where there is a general Asian phenotype) was a place of intense contact between Kantekkians and the 'Native American' Atlanteans, although I haven't ruled out the possibility of Lemurian descendants being in the mix somehow as well.

Climate

Pre-Mars cataclysm

Q: (L) You said that the earth, up to that time, was surrounded by a water vapor canopy, correct?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) And when Mars came by it overloaded the earth’s atmosphere and it fell as a deluge, correct?
A: Close.

Q: (L) At that time was Martek drawn close to the earth and did it have water on its surface which the earth then robbed or borrowed?
A: That is very close to being the case. It is far more complicated than that so we will leave that at this time.

Q: (L) Was Martek an inhabited planet at that time?
A: No.

Q: (L) Did it have water or other features?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) When it passed close to the earth did it, in fact, overload our planet with water we did not have prior to that time?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Did we, prior to that time, have a water-vapor canopy surrounding our planet?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) The remark was made that the planet earth, prior to its interaction with Martek, had a water vapor canopy. How was this water vapor canopy suspended?
A: The water vapor canopy was a natural element of the particular composition of your atmosphere at that particular measure point in space/time.

Q: (L) Was the gravity level the same as what it is now?
A: It was somewhat different. But not perceptible to you. That difference is part of the explanation of why that vapor canopy remained suspended.

Q: (L) Did that condition prior to the flood of Noah, the altered gravitational state as well as the water vapor canopy, was that condition more conducive to extended life spans than the conditions that exist on the planet now?
A: Not only those things but all the other conditions that existed on the planet at that particular point in space/time were more conducive to longer life spans.

Q: (L) It was stated that the earth once had a water vapor canopy. Was this one of the reasons for longevity in that time?
A: Yes, and already answered this. Review transcripts.

Q: (L) What are the effects of sunlight on the human body now as opposed to then?
A: Degenerative.
Post-Mars cataclysm

Q: All I wanted was to have an idea of a land mass in the Atlantic ocean that people talk about - where did it sit?
A: Where do you think?

Q: Well, I sort of think that the Azores and the Canary Islands are sort of...
A: Yes, but many other places too. Remember, the sea level was several hundred feet lower then...

Q: Why was the sea level several hundred feet lower? Because there was ice somewhere or because there was not as much water on the earth at that time?
A: Ice.

Q: Was the ice piled up at the poles? The ice sheet of the ice age?
A: Yes.

Q: So, Atlantis existed during the ice age?
A: Largely, yes. And the world’s climate was scarcely any colder away from the ice sheets than it is today.

Q: Well, how could that be? What caused these glaciers?
A: Global warming.

Q: How does global warming cause glaciers?
A: Increases precipitation dramatically. Then moves the belt of great precipitation much farther north. This causes rapid buildup of ice sheets, followed by increasingly rapid and intense glacial rebound.

Q: (L) In that sense...
(A) Okay, this brings us to the question about the Piri Reis map. We wanted to know the origin of this map?
A: Complex, but the origin would date back to 14,000 B.C.

Q: (A) Atlantis?
A: Close.

Q: (L) Was this map drawn when Antarctica was NOT covered by ice?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Why was it not covered by ice?
(A) Because the climate was warmer.
A: Technologically achieved.

Q: (L) Why would somebody want to technologically warm Antarctica if the whole rest of the planet was available for use? What is so special about Antarctica?
A: The whole rest of the planet was available for use? Not hardly.

Q: (L) Why was the rest of the planet not available for use?
A: Ice.

Q: (L) So, the rest of the planet WAS covered by ice?
A: No.

Q: (L) There is something I am missing here.
(A) Much of the planet was covered by ice, but not all.
A: Yes.

Q: (L) So, instead of using the areas that were NOT covered by ice, why, in particular, was Antarctica...
A: What?!?

Q: (L) What I am getting at is: why go to all the trouble to thaw out a whole big island if it might have been easier to have been somewhere else?
A: Magnetic power grid physics . EM utilization. Crystals, and the like. Seeking paths to the interior? The “Poles” know best!
Karmic inheritance

Q: What did the Atlanteans do to bring this karma on us such that the grays and Lizzies...
A: Worshipped and served self to extreme.

Q: Cayce talks about the division in Atlantis between the “Sons of One” and the “Sons of Belial.” Was this a racial division or a philosophical/ religious division?
A: It was the latter two, and before that, the former one.

Q: When it was a racial division, which group was it?
A: The Sons of Belial were the Kantekkians.

Q: Well! That is not good!
A: Subjective... you are not bodies, you are souls.

A: You are dancing on the 3rd density ballroom floor. “Alice likes to go through the looking glass” at the Crystal Palace. Atlantean reincarnation surge brings on the urge to have a repeat performance.

Q: (T) The Atlanteans who have reincarnated are getting ready to do the same thing they did before with the crystals. So, this is an Atlantean type thing that is being done now? Different equipment, but the same type of thing?
A: All lessons must be learned before you can move onto bigger and better things.

Q: (L) Is that a general statement about the Atlanteans repeating the lessons, or that once we learn this lesson, we can move onto bigger and better things in counteracting this grid?
A: All that is present and future too.

Q: (T) Was it necessary for them to have power gathering stations on Mars and the Moon. Did this increase their power?
A: Not necessary but it is not necessary for you to have a million dollars either. Get the correlation? Atlanteans were power hungry the way your society is money hungry.

Q: (T) Was the accumulation of this power what brought about their downfall?
A: Yes.

Q: (H) Did the Semites have a significant role in the collapse of Atlantis?
A: Indeed!

Q: (H) So, when we're looking at a replay, we're REALLY looking at a replay!
A: Yup.

Q: (L) Is there some karmic element that was fulfilled by the Holocaust?
A: Of course.

Q: (L) Could you tell us what karma was being expunged in that activity, and what group the Jews represented?
A: This is not germane, but it was Atlantean overseers “expunging” guilt from that life experience.
Bear in mind that the Semites and the Jews are not the same people, so when it is said above that the Semites had 'a significant role in the collapse of Atlantis', this isn't necessarily because of negative karma -- another interpretation is that they were one of the outside groups that fought against Atlantean tyrrany toward the end.

Science and Culture

Q: What were Atlantean drone workers?
A: Slave people controlled by crystal.

Q: There are legends of half human creatures, minotaurs, centaurs, etc. Were any of these creatures real?
A: Experiments known as beasts in Atlantis.
Extraterrestrial travel

Q: (TL) Who made the monuments on Mars?
A: Atlanteans.

Q: (T) So, the Atlanteans had inter-planetary ability?
A: Yes. With ease. Atlantean technology makes yours look like the Neanderthal era.

Q: (S) Yes. Edgar Cayce said that the Atlanteans were going to other planets...
A: Yes. With the same relative ease with which you would fly to Atlanta.

Q: (T) Who created the structures on the moon that Richard Hoagland has discovered?
A: Atlanteans.

A: Mars monuments are Atlantean, some on Moon are others; are ET.
Destruction

Three cayaclysms

Q: (L) Did Atlantis go down as a series of destructions?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) How many cataclysms?
A: Three.

Q: (L) Were these cataclysms all caused by the same source?
A: No.

Q: (L) So, how many separate destructions did Atlantis experience?
A: Three.
First cataclysm: Mars

Q: (L) One was caused by the close passage of Mars?
A: Yes. And comets.

Q: (L) Was Mars and the comets loosely interactive?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Was Noah’s flood caused by the close passage of another celestial body?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Which body was that?
A: Martek.

Q: (L) Do we know this body in our solar system now?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) What name?
A: Mars.

Q: (L) But I thought that Atlantis was destroyed because of the close passage of another body of the solar system?
A: Was damaged but recovered.

Q: (L) So Atlantis was damaged by a close passage of Mars or whatever and then recovered from that damage, is that correct?
A: Part of landmass, but not all, was destroyed.
Second catalysm: Venus

Q: (L) And the second was caused by what?
A: Venus.

Q: (L) When did Venus enter the solar system?
A: 80,000 years approximately.

Q: (L) How many close passes to the earth did Venus make?
A: Seven.

Q: (L) How many passes did Venus make through the solar system before it was precipitated into a regular planetary orbit?
A: 7

Q: (L) Where did Venus originally come from?
A: 19 light years away.

Q: (L) So, it is actually an extra-solar system visitor?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Where did Venus get all its gases and clouds and so forth? What was its origin? Where did it get all this stuff?
A: Collected during fiery, friction filled journey and space matter in general.

Q: (L) Where was Venus originally from?
A: Ancient wanderer from near Arcturus.

Q: (L) Was Venus involved with the planet Kantek which you said exploded due to psychic energies generated by its inhabitants?
A: No.
‘The Flood’

Q: (L) Did an event of this type take place at the time of the flood of Noah?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) How many years ago did the flood of Noah occur?
A: 12656.

Q: (L) Was Noah an actual historical person?
A: Close.

Q: (L) Was Noah the same person described in the Babylonian texts as Utnapishtim?
A: Close.

Q: (L) What land did Noah/Utnapishtim live in, what continent?
A: Atlantis.

Q: (L) Was the story of Noah’s flood the story of the breaking up of Atlantis?
A: Yes. But symbolic.

A: And, by the way, Noah is a symbolic message rather than an historical event.

Q: (L) Do you mean a historical event in the terms of Noah being in an ark or historical event in terms of the flood?
A: First of all, there was no Noah. Secondly there was no actual real flood as depicted in that story. Thirdly, the whole story was a symbolic message as opposed to an actual event.

Q: (L) What did actually occur and what does the symbolism have to tell us?
A: It is a very broad representation. It simply means that there was a cataclysmic event that did envelop the whole planet at that time and that those that were ready to experience that as part of their soul development without exiting the body, were warned ahead of time. But not by trying to manipulate events, but by simply allowing faith to let them acquire knowledge and being naturally drawn into position to experience what they needed to experience to survive the event. )

Q: (L) And you said that the “flood of Noah” was the story of the final deluge and destruction of Atlantis?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) And that was caused by what?
A: Venus.

Q: (L) I thought you said it was caused by Martek?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Well, how can it be caused by Venus if it was caused by Martek?
A: Venus also “caused” Martek.

Q: (L) Was this the time of the major dying of the large dinosaurs?
A: Close.

Q: (L) What event transpired to kill off most of the dinosaurs?
A: Beasts. [i.e. not dinosaurs]

Q: (L) What kind of beasts?
A: Mastodon, sabertooth tiger, giant sloth, etc.
Third cataclysm: crystals

Q: (L) And the third and final destruction was caused by what?
A: Crystals.

Q: (T) Did they lose control of this power?
A: It overpowered them the same way your computers will overpower you.

Q: (V) Is it similar to them gaining a life and intelligence of their own?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) You mean these crystalline structures came to life, so to speak?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) And then what did they do?
A: Destroyed Atlantis.
There seems to be some confusion regarding the role of Mars and Venus in the first and second cataclysms – in general it seems to be the case that Mars played the central role in the first cataclysm, whereas Venus did in the second, but one gets the impression that both planets were somehow involved in both instances.

Post-Destruction

Q: (L) How many people were on the planet at that time?
A: 6 billion.

Q: (L) Can you tell us more about the six billion people on the planet at the time of Noah’s flood. Where were most of these beings living?
A: Atlantis.

Q: (L) Out of this six billion people, how many survived?
A: 119 million.

Q: (L) After the “flood of Noah” approximately how many people survived that cataclysm on the whole earth?
A: Approximately 19 million.

Q: (L) Why did the population of the earth continue to decline from that point?
A: Because of disease and inability to adjust due to artificial manipulations of the genetic pool.
Displaced Atlanteans

Q: (L) Where did the ark land after the receding of the waters?
A: Egypt.

Q: When the philologists track the language roots, they arrive at the Kurgan region, north and west of the Caucasus. Is that where the Celts went when Atlantis was destroyed?
A: Close.

Q: When did the Kantekkians, or Celts or whatever arrive on the Canary Islands?
A: 12,000 years ago.

Q: Did they arrive there from Atlantis directly?
A: Close.

Q: Where from?
A: Confused by trauma.

Q: What does that mean?
A: Guess.

Q: Did they come from underground?
A: Some.

Q: Were they part of the underground race?
A: No Laura. What “trauma” do you think we are referring to??

Q: The comet cluster? The Flood of Noah?
A: Close enough.

Q: When did the Celts or Kantekkians first take up residence in the British Isles?
A: Same. 12,000 years ago.

Q: Were the Picts also Celts?
A: No, Atlantean. Remember, “Celt” is latter day moniker.

Q: Were the Picts Kantekkians?
A: Originally.

Q: (L) Where did the Egyptians come from?
A: Atlantis.

Q: (L) Then did the main Atlanteans move to Egypt when Atlantis was destroyed?
A: Yes. And elsewhere.

Q: What white men were seen in South America and talked to the tribes there and promised to return one day and were worshipped as Gods.
A: Egyptians and Atlantean descendants.

Q: (L) Were the Sumerians a high civilization at the same time the Atlanteans were?
A: After.

Q: (L) Did the Atlanteans go to Sumeria and afterwards go to Egypt?
A: Travelled.

Q: (L) The Atlanteans travelled to Sumeria?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Did they set up outposts in Sumeria?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Where do the Basques come from?
A: Atlantis.

Q: (L) Is their language the Atlantean language?
A: Derivative.

Q: (L) What was the origin of the Minoan civilization?
A: Atlantean descendants.
Post-Atlantean Sites

Finally, this is a list of sites and structures which have been asked about, and which post-date the destruction of Atlantis:

Lizard Sites

Mohenjo-Daro

Q: Who built the city of Mohenjo-Daro?
A: Lizards directly. Coatzlmundi legend ties in to this directly look at illustrations on stones now.

Q: Who is Coatzlmundi?
A: Other deity of the Lizards worshipped by the Atlanteans and their descendants because of the direct contact with humans for 1000 years.

Q: Now, you said Mohenjo Daro was built by the Lizzies directly. Did they occupy this city themselves?
A: No.

Q: When was this city last inhabited continually?
A: 3065 years ago.

Q: When was it built?
A: 6092 years ago.

Q: (L) Who built the city of Mohenjo Daro?
A: That also was built by the Lizard Beings directly.
Angkor Wat

Q: (L) Who built the city of Angkor Wat?
A: That was built by the Lizard Beings themselves. Built approximately 3108 years ago.

Q: We watched this television show the other night which talked about the city of Angkor Wat and its orientation to Draco 10,500 BC. You said that Angkor Wat was built 3108 years ago by the Lizzies themselves, and that the city of Mohenjo Daro was also built by the Lizzies 3065 years ago, which is within 30 or 40 years of the same time period. Do you still confirm that the Lizzies themselves built these cities?
A: Reptilian Beings.

Q: And they did this themselves?
A: Yes.

Q: What happened to the inhabitants of these cities?
A: Taken to another planet.

Q: Why was this city built in orientation to the constellation Draco?
A: Was not, was a record: see the texts of Kaballah for details after linkage is established.

Q: After what linkage is established.
A: Between the astronomical data and the sites.
Tiahuanaco

Q: (L) Who was Arajuna of Tiahuanaco?
A: Well, we believe that you are referring to one of approximately eight hybrids that ruled the area currently referred to as Central America. Hybrids being a 4th density to 3rd density transfer experiment from the Lizard race to the human race, which was abandoned after approximately 240 years of experimentation by the Lizard Beings, due to the lack of success for sustaining physical duplication, or reproduction of the race. It was one of several attempts by the Lizard Beings to directly transmit their souls into 3rd density environment for permanent placement there. And, of course it is no longer perceived as necessary by them because their intention is to rule 3rd density beings in 4th density when they arrive there.

Q: (L) Who built the city of Tiahuanaco?
A: The Lizard Beings in cooperation with humans.

Q: (L) When was it built?
A: Varying time frames since it seems to have been destroyed at two points. We have to estimate an average of 8,000 years prior to the current time, as you measure it.
Oak Island

Q: (L) What is buried on Oak Island?
A: Regenerator.

Q: (L) What is a regenerator?
A: Remolecularizer.

Q: (L) Who put it there?
A: Lizard beings.

Q: (L) When did they put it there?
A: 10,000 years ago, approximately.

Q: (L) Back when we were talking about the pit on Oak Island, and you asked me to do some research on it, the answers I came up with were that the responsible group were alchemists. Is this correct.
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Was one of the alchemists involved Nicholas Flamel?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is it true that there is an enclave of alchemists that live somewhere in the Pyrenees...
A: Yes.
Nephalim-related sites

Baalbek

Q: Who built the city of Baalbek?
A: Antereans and early Sumerians. We meant Atlanteans. [Who are the Antereans?]

Q: What is the reason for the enormous proportions of this building?
A: Giants.

Q: Who were the giants?
A: Genetic effort to recreate Nephilim.

Q: Did the Atlanteans and Sumerians succeed in recreating the Nephilim?
A: No.

Q: I would like to go back to the subject of the Nephilim. Now you said the Nephilim were a group of humanoid types brought here to earth to be enforcers, is that correct?
A: Yes.

Q: When were they brought here?
A: 9046 B.C. one reference.

Q: What happened to interrupt or halt the building of this city?
A: Venus first appearance and pass.

Q: What year was this project brought to a halt?
A: 3218 B.C.
Easter Island

Q: (L) Who carved the stone heads on Easter Island?
A: Lemurian descendants.

Q: (L) And what did these stones represent?
A: Nephilim.

Q: (L) Is this what the Nephilim looked like?
A: Close.

Q: (L) Does that mean that the Nephilim were present in Lemuria?
A: Close.

Q: (L) Where was Lemuria located?
A: Pacific off South America.

Q: (L) So when the Easter Island natives talk about their ancestors they are talking about people who came from the direction of South America?
A: No. Right near all around. Easter Island is remnant of Lemuria.

Q: (L) What happened to Lemuria?
A: Submerged close to time you refer to as Fall of Eden, approximately.

Q: (L) Well if the Nephilim were brought here 9 to 12 thousand years ago...
A: Last visit. Have been here 5 times. Will return.
Human Sites

Stonehenge

Q: (L) Who built Stonehenge?
A: Druids.

Q: (L) When was Stonehenge built?
A: 6000 approx. B.C.
Avebury

Q: I'd like to know when Avebury was built?
A: 4233 BC

Q: (Simon) What was its original purpose?
A: Observation and calculation.

Q: (Simon) Of what?
A: The sky was rather busier than you have thus far known it.

Q: (Simon) So is it something to with observing the comets?
A: Yes.

Q: (Simon) Is there anything useful we can understand from it today?
A: Not really, except of course the abilities of the builders.
Pyramids

Q: (L) Who built the great pyramid?
A: Atlanteans.

Q: (L) What year was it built?
A: 10643 years ago.

Q: (L) Why was it built? What purpose was it used for?
A: Capture cosmic energy.

Q: (L) And what was this cosmic energy used for once it was captured?
A: Many things. Power, transport, healing, mind control, climate, etcetera.

Q: (L) Who built the sphinx?
A: Same.

Q: (L) Was the sphinx built at the same time?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Why was the sphinx built? What was its purpose?
A: Temple.

Q: (L) Are there records buried under the sphinx?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) Zecharia Sitchin proposes that the pyramid was built as a permanent marking system to navigate the solar system, could you comment on that idea?
A: That is incorrect. The pyramids were built as energy storage and transference facilities. They were built by the descendants of those known to you as the Atlanteans who are, of course, your ancestors in soul matters. They were not built to be markers for anything.

Q: (L) Now, on to the questions I have prepared: In a previous session you said that the pyramid was built 10,643 years ago. That would be 8,649 BC. Is that a correct figure, or was there any corruption?
A: Yes. Correct.

Q: Then you talked about the pyramid as a focuser of energy to do ‘all things’ or many things. Later we asked about Stonehenge and you said that StoneHenge was built 6,000 BC by Druids, an early Aryan group, as an energy director to do ‘all things.’ This seems to be that both structures had similar design functions. Is that correct?
A: No. Stonehenge is a vector of energy derived from Solar and Cosmic rays. Pyramids focus electromagnetic energy from the atmosphere ambiently. Stonehenge was built 8,000 BC, by the way.

Q: If it was built in 8,000 BC, and the Pyramids were built 8,649 BC, which is 10,643 years ago, more or less, that means that they were built at almost the same time, or at least within 600 years of each other. If they were built at almost the same time, were they built by the same, or similar groups of people?
A: Atlantean descendants.

Q: Obviously the Great Pyramid is a marvel of engineering - and Stonehenge is as well - yet the two structures are so dissimilar. The Pyramid presents such a finished and sharp and elegant appearance, and Stonehenge might give a person - of course that is based on how it appears today - a more primitive presentation.
A: Was not originally.

Q: Did they work in conjunction with one another and did the two groups that built them in communication with one another?
A: No and yes.

Q: Was it two different groups? One with the Stonehenge business and one with the Pyramid business?
A: Offshoots of same group.

Q: Were they antagonistic toward one another or were they friendly toward one another?
A: No, yes.

Q: If the flood of Noah, as you have said before, occurred 10,662 BC, that means that the Pyramid and Stonehenge were built more than 2,000 years after this event.
A: Yes.

Q: Did it take 2,000 years for them to develop or create the technology?
A: No.

Q: What were they doing in those 2,000 years?
A: Reassembling.

Q: In that 2,000 years of reassembling, do you mean reassembling as a group through reincarnative processes...
A: All. Built using sound wave technology.
Chaco Canyon

Q: (A**) I was gonna ask about Chaco Canyon. What was it built for?
A: Gathering place for those of unusual abilities.

Q: (A***) Did anybody actually live there?
A: More like a "conference center."

Q: (A**) So what happened to the people that used it?
A: Change of cosmic environment followed by earthly difficulties such as famine, climate etc. [post-flood]

Q: (J) What kind of things did those people with unusual abilities do when they gathered together?
A: Well, levitate, for one; direct manifestation for another; and "travel".

Q: (Allen) So, could they travel from one spot on the planet to another?
A: Yes.

Q: (A*l) Could they teleport?
A: Yes.

Q: (J) Teleport... These weren't your average human beings then. (laughter)
A: No not exactly, but it wasn't the same environment you currently enjoy either.

Q: (A**) Where did these people come from?
A: Remnant Atlanteans. Descendants for the word sticklers.

Q: (L) I think that's because once, somebody made a big deal out of them saying "remnants of Atlantis" and they meant descendants. (A*l) Do they mean that if our environment wasn't so polluted that we could have super powers? (L) They said "cosmic environment".
A: Gravity is different now.

Q: (A*l) What happened to gravity? How'd it change?
A: Travels of the solar system through space. You are heading for another such changes soon.

Q: (A*l) Are we going to become super again?
A: Some will.
Malta

Q: (L) Who built the temple complex on the island of Malta?
A: Moors.

Q: (L) When?
A: 800 A.D.
As Corto Maltese points out below, this specific part about Malta may be inaccurate:

http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=2299.0

Q: (L) Don’t play with me on this one! I want to know what is the cause of the so-called “cart tracks” on the island of Malta?
A: Grooves.

Q: The bottom line is: I want to know what was the cause of these crazy cart ruts that cannot have been cart ruts! They cannot possibly be cart ruts!
A: Energy grooves.

Q: (L) What kind of energy?
A: Something like short circuit at time of disturbance in magnetic field of planet.

Q: (L) Was there something inlaid there that conducted this energy? I mean, did this rock melt like this because it had lines of conductors laid into the ground?
A: Crystal generators were once used to collect and redistribute cosmic and terran energy fields.

Q: (L) How long ago were these ruts or grooves formed?
A: 14019 years ago as you measure it.

Q: (L) Was this before the temple structures were built on Malta?
A: Yes. Survivors built those.

Q: (L) Okay, next question: Who built the Hypogeum in Malta?
A: Ancient "circle people".

Q: (L) And for what purpose?
A: Rebirth, healing, manifestation. See answers previously given about Chaco Canyon.

Q: (L) To what kind of humanoid creatures do the dolicephalic skulls found in various sites in Malta belong to?
A: "Drones."
About the "drones", see Science and Culture above.

Macchu Picchu

Q: Now, it says that this Professor Posnansky of the University of La Paz, and Professor Rolf Mueller, pushed the date of the building of Macchu Picchu back to 15,000 BC. Is this a correct date?
A: Close.

Q: Can you tell us when Macchu Picchu was built?
A: 12009 BC.
This date would actually make Macchu Picchu Atlantean, but I am listing it here for the sake of completeness.

Nazca Lines

Q: (L) Who made the Nazca lines in South America and what was their purpose?
A: Those were natives living in the area at the particular time who were highly advanced spiritually and they put those lines there to call to others that were coming from what they perceived to be an outer space location.

Q: (L) Were they symbols of power in any way?
A: Well, some may have perceived them as such but they were mainly an effort to call forth those who had been worshipped and had appeared to them previously from the outside including not only the Lizard Beings, but other travelers.
Yonaguni

Q: Okay, I guess the gentle thing is to just ignore it. I do want to ask a quick one about these ruins found off the coast of Japan in the past year that is just now getting noticed here in the US.
A: Fault movements reveal previous layer of civilized exploits.

Q: What civilization?
A: Clues can be found by studying historic dynastic China.
Damien in Kabul

Q: (L) Who built the statues at Damien in Kabul?
A: An early Persian race, 3rd density in nature.
Please feel free to post comments, questions or corrections!
 

cholas

Jedi Council Member
Well done. Thanks again shijing. Talk about interest tickling. ;)

I was left with only one question after reading.....

Would it be too much to include some info/quotes from Secret History also as, like The Wave, it seems to go the 'next step' towards Laura's own deciphering of the sessions?

If you'd like, and when I can, I'd be interested in adding a few of these. As references anyway?
 

shijing

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
cholas said:
Well done. Thanks again shijing. Talk about interest tickling. ;)

I was left with only one question after reading.....

Would it be too much to include some info/quotes from Secret History also as, like The Wave, it seems to go the 'next step' towards Laura's own deciphering of the sessions?

If you'd like, and when I can, I'd be interested in adding a few of these. As references anyway?
That's totally fine with me -- I just like to start this kind of thread to get the ball rolling on some topic, but as soon as I post it it becomes community forum material and I hope that other members will go in whatever direction that they want to with it. So by all means, add whatever material you think is relevant and appropriate.
 

Deckard

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
Hi Shijing, just for the sake of clarity the bit about temples in Malta was off as Laura explained here

http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=2299.0
 

shijing

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
Corto Maltese said:
Hi Shijing, just for the sake of clarity the bit about temples in Malta was off as Laura explained here

http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=2299.0
Great, and thanks for drawing my attention to this Corto Maltese -- I have made an addendum about this in my initial post above. It seems like there is a lot more to learn about Malta...
 

Turgon

Ambassador
Ambassador
FOTCM Member
Hi Shijing, great job on putting all this information together. It was very interesting to read, and I can imagine, a challenge to cyphon through transcripts and put it all together.

I just finished reading Ch. 19 of Beezlebub's tales to his Grandson - His Second Descent onto the Planet Earth, and he talks a bit about Atlantis. I'm not sure how useful or factual the information is, but I'll only add the parts that I think are relevant.

During this second serious catastrophe to that planet, the continent Atlantis, which had been the largest continent and chief place of the being-existence of the three-brained beings of that planet during the period of my first descent, was engulfed together with other large and small terra firmas within the planet with all the three-brained beings existing upon it, and also with almost all that they had attained and acquired during many of their preceding centuries....

'This second catastrophe to the planet Earth,' continued his Conformity, 'occurred owing to the following: When during the first disaster two considerable fragments had been separated from this planet, then for certain reasons, the what is called "center of gravity" of the whole of its presence had no time to shift immediately into a corresponding new place, with the result that right until the second catastophe, this planet had existed with its "center-of-gravity in a wrong position, owing to which its motion during that time was not "proportionately-harmonious" and there often occurred both within and upon it various commotions and considerable displacements. ...

After De Teums with me, and after certain inquiries of mine concerning the Great Center, His Conformity then condescended to tell me, among other things, that after the collision of the comet Kondoor with the planet Earth, he, or other responsible cosmic Individuals, superintending the affairs of 'Harmonious-World-Existence,' had frequently descended to this solar system to observe the actualizing of those measures they had taken in order to avert the consequences of that general cosmic accident ...

"And in his further detailed explanations, His Conformity then said, among other things, that after the second catastrophe to the Earth, the biped three-brained beings who had accidentally survived had again multiplied; that now, the whole process of their being-existence was concentrated on another, newly formed, also large continent called 'Ashhark'; that three independent large groups had just been formed on this same large continent 'Ashhark'.
In regards to Ashhark, Gurdjieff was refering to Asia. But even though Gurdjieff states that Atlantis was engulfed after the second great disaster, the three independent large groups he indicates survived on 'Ashhark' might have been the three groups the C's indicate as being the 3 races that inhabited Atlantis. Although, as indicated in the book, the 3 groups center points seem to have been situated in Asia, whereas from my understanding, Atlantis was more far reaching.
 

shijing

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
DanielS said:
In regards to Ashhark, Gurdjieff was refering to Asia. But even though Gurdjieff states that Atlantis was engulfed after the second great disaster, the three independent large groups he indicates survived on 'Ashhark' might have been the three groups the C's indicate as being the 3 races that inhabited Atlantis. Although, as indicated in the book, the 3 groups center points seem to have been situated in Asia, whereas from my understanding, Atlantis was more far reaching.
I have yet to read Beelzebub's Tales, so I appreciate you pointing this out, and I think its quite interesting. Just piecing together information from here and there, Atlantis does seem to have been more extensive than just Asia, including former surface landmass in what is now the Atlantic Ocean. In the Cassiopaean transcripts, it is mentioned that part of the landmass was destroyed (I tentatively have this in the 'first catalysm' section, although it may possibly belong with the 'second cataclysm'). As I mention above, it does seem as though the three races ended up distributed across Eurasia in the post-Atlantean world (as well as the Americas, however), so this would correlate with the Gurdjieff passage in general, save for his lack of mention of the Americas. That's my first impression, anyway.
 

sid

Jedi Master
This is great stuff, I actually googled all those places to check out their present state and the official theories and myths. And I am starting to form it in my head where would Indian history fit in. The similarities between Ramayana war (Kingdom of Rama or Good vs Kingdom of Ravana or Evil) and the Atlantean War (Celts vs Paranthas) is quite striking. The Paranthas would represent Rama and Celts would represent Ravana since it has been mentioned that Atlanteans as a civilisation was heavily STS oriented. I may be assuming wrong here due to the way questions were asked and answers given. Would have been pure gold if C's revealed little bit more about the Celts vs Paranthas war because there is nothing much out there for research so far.
 

obyvatel

The Living Force
Sid said:
The similarities between Ramayana war (Kingdom of Rama or Good vs Kingdom of Ravana or Evil) and the Atlantean War (Celts vs Paranthas) is quite striking. The Paranthas would represent Rama and Celts would represent Ravana since it has been mentioned that Atlanteans as a civilisation was heavily STS oriented.
I don't know if the ramayana war was the Celts vs Paranthas war but if it was, it could also be possible that Rama represented the Celts and Ravana the Paranthas. Rama is traditionally depicted as being blue-skinned after all. The good vs evil interpretation could have been turned on its head as there are some cultures where Ravana is regarded as the good guy. There are multiple interpretations of the story in different geographical areas (eg Ramayana is popular in Indonesian Islands) as well as cultures.
 

Lindenlea

The Living Force
Thank you Shijing, that was a great read.

I have a huge fascination with Atlantis and recently read some of my Cayce books with lots of Atlantis references during my 'light reading break' from Beelzebub.

Good work. Thanks
 

Turgon

Ambassador
Ambassador
FOTCM Member
shijing said:
DanielS said:
In regards to Ashhark, Gurdjieff was refering to Asia. But even though Gurdjieff states that Atlantis was engulfed after the second great disaster, the three independent large groups he indicates survived on 'Ashhark' might have been the three groups the C's indicate as being the 3 races that inhabited Atlantis. Although, as indicated in the book, the 3 groups center points seem to have been situated in Asia, whereas from my understanding, Atlantis was more far reaching.
I have yet to read Beelzebub's Tales, so I appreciate you pointing this out, and I think its quite interesting. Just piecing together information from here and there, Atlantis does seem to have been more extensive than just Asia, including former surface landmass in what is now the Atlantic Ocean. In the Cassiopaean transcripts, it is mentioned that part of the landmass was destroyed (I tentatively have this in the 'first catalysm' section, although it may possibly belong with the 'second cataclysm'). As I mention above, it does seem as though the three races ended up distributed across Eurasia in the post-Atlantean world (as well as the Americas, however), so this would correlate with the Gurdjieff passage in general, save for his lack of mention of the Americas. That's my first impression, anyway.
Hmm, well, what I can do, is add additional information from Beezlebub's Tales as I continue through the book. I'll make notes as I get through it, because I did skip out on a few bits of information from the last chapter that I read and posted. For example, he makes mention of certain sea's and landmasses, areas where those three civilizations were centred around. Talk's a little bit about the culture of Atlantis, etc.

For example, the centres of the 3 civilizations were apparently located in India (Hindustan), The area now known as the Gobi Desert (Before it was a desert) and the 'Black Sands', although I've never heard of the Black Sands before.
 

Erna

The Living Force
Okay, let me try and reconstruct this post of mine which I accidentally deleted:

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I wonder if the Atlanteans' technological/interplanetary travel abilities was reliant on utilizing 'special points'/convergence points on the EM grid (in other words working in conjunction with geographic locations with regards to their temples/monuments and other technological devices). I actually came across the topic of ley lines tonight in one of my searches, which then led to vortices....

Just before the bit you quoted under ‘karmic inheritance’ they had this to say:

Cs in 1998 said:
Q: (T) Has science acknowledged that gravity is a wave, as something that can be measured, quantitative?

A: Controversy.

Q: (L) What gravity is and what it is not is a controversy. (T) But if gravity is part of the UFT, and somebody knows what it is... (L) They are building HAARP. (T) I think there is more to it than this HAARP. UFT is a major step...

A: Grids.

Q: (L) What kind of grids... (T) They keep jumping off... wait a minute...

A: We are not "jumping off."

Q: (L) What kind of grids?

A: The planet has been enshrouded with EM grid.

Q: (T) Are these the ley lines?

A: No.

Q: (L) Are they artificially generated?

A: Contoured.

Q: (L) They are artificially contoured. What is the result of this shrouding?

A: Manipulated for use by 3rd/4th Consortium.

Q: (A) What kind of EM grid? (L) The natural EM grid is being contoured...

A: Like a gently waving geometric "blanket."

Q: (T) Is it on the surface of the planet, through the planet, or where?

A: Above.


Q: (J) Do microwave towers factor into this?

A: Indirectly discovered by same principal. [person?]

Q: (A) Who is this principal? A name? (T) The gravity waves, whether they exist or not, are a controversy, yet they are part of the UFT, and someone already knows how it works. Therefore, it is only controversy to those who don't know what the answer is, and it is not a controversy to those who know. They know what it is and how to measure it and how
to use it.

A: Of course.

Q: (T) So, it is only a controversy that is allowed to be. (L) Or created. (A) Some power is used to sustain this grid. What is it?

A: Land and space based generators.

Q: (T) What can it be used for?

A: Multiple uses.

Q: (L) Well, what are the top three, for example?

A: No "top three."

Q: (T) Just an example, give us an idea? How does this affect us?

A: Broaden concept.

Q: (T) Can this grid be used by other objects as a power source? (J) Can it be tapped into?

A: Net.

Q: (L) It is a net that traps things?

A: Broaden.

Q: (L) It is a net that...

A: Calculates...

Q: (J) Internet? (T) Is it like a big fence to keep us in?

A: You are dancing on the 3rd density ballroom floor. "Alice likes to go through the looking glass" at the Crystal Palace. Atlantean reincarnation surge brings on the urge to have a repeat performance.

Q: (T) The Atlanteans who have reincarnated are getting ready to do the same thing they did before with the crystals. So, this is an Atlantean type thing that is being done now?Different equipment, but the same type of thing?

A: All lessons must be learned before you can move onto bigger and better things.

Q: (L) Is that a general statement about the Atlanteans repeating the lessons, or that once we learn this lesson, we can move onto bigger and better things in counteracting this grid?

A: All that is present and future too.

Q: (T) Well, maybe it is a defensive shield that has been put up to protect us since we have monkeyed with the ozone so much...

A: No. Better to contemplate and meditate. No linear thinking please, you know better.

Q: (J) I think they just slapped your hand. (A) I want to ask if there is something that we can and should do about this grid for ourselves?

A: Why? To know was all you need.

Q: (A) Well, it was said that this was for the purpose of control and manipulation. So, knowing is all that we need. Or, we could try to shield... (L) But, to know IS the shield. I don't know how that works, but it seems to be so.

A: Yes.

Q: (A) Now, how did we come to this grid from UFT?

A: Grid construction represents application of...
_http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/mapas_ocultotierra/esp_mapa_ocultotierra_11.htm





Maybe it's important to harness these locations in conjunction with sacred geometry (pyramids, obelisks, domes etc.) or devices to make inter-dimensional/inter-planetary travel possible.
 

shijing

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
DanielS said:
For example, the centres of the 3 civilizations were apparently located in India (Hindustan), The area now known as the Gobi Desert (Before it was a desert) and the 'Black Sands', although I've never heard of the Black Sands before.
I haven't either -- the Hindustan population is a good match with the described Paranthan civilization, and the Gobi Desert is where Cayce places his 'yellow' root race -- possibly correlated with the 'Native American' type. That would, perhaps, leave the Kantekkians...
 

shijing

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
E said:
I wonder if the Atlanteans' technological/interplanetary travel abilities was reliant on utilizing 'special points'/convergence points on the EM grid (in other words working in conjunction with geographic locations with regards to their temples/monuments and other technological devices). I actually came across the topic of ley lines tonight in one of my searches, which then led to vortices....

Maybe it's important to harness these locations in conjunction with sacred geometry (pyramids, obelisks, domes etc.) or devices to make inter-dimensional/inter-planetary travel possible.
I think that's entirely possible -- the fact that underwater crystals were linked to the Bermuda Triangle (and also the Devil's Triangle if I remember correctly) implies that these locations would be important in deciding where to set up a crystalline (or perhaps even other) structure to make maximum use of energy, and once you had actually drawn the energy and stored it somehow, it could be applied to spaceflight and so forth.
 
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