Awakening and relationships

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Hi I am very new to this tho I have been studying astrology for a while and have always done my own Tarot. I,ve always been that "New Age" type but then suppressed at the Escoteric stuff while I got "real" married and had a kid.
I came back to all this due to realising I had a nice enough husband, a wonderfull kid and brilliant job but not happy.
Anyway I am here now. Thanks to Michael Tsarion.. Someone sent me a webstream on Myspace. Blew me away.
What I wanted to ask is once you "wake Up" to all this. How are you relationships holding up? I think my husband thinks I have gone mad. He is downstairs watching mindless TV . While I,m upstairs reading. I,m hoping he might wake up himself but its not looking good. The more I get into this the further we will drift apart. We had an argument where he said it was natural for people to want to be controlled by leaders and that if I wanted my home comforts like electricity, plumbing and ipods! Then I am going along with this evolution that is destroying the planet.
Has he got a point tho?
 
In my case it was stormy at one time. My wife is very religious. I had my flirt with religion and now more or less out of it. That was the source of the friction. She was thinking that I was being influenced by the devil (through Cassiopaens, ofcourse). Now things are much better. You see, like you I tried to get my partner involved with this. But it didn't work. So now I leave her to choose her path (religion) and I have chosen mine.

You shouldn't try to influence your partner in this IMO. Some people are just not ready for this stuff. So my advice is to focus on your own learning and growth. That is what I am doing. I hope you can work out some agreement with your partner so that he can pursue his choices and you can follow your own. It worked for me.

Good Luck!
 
Thanks for that. Its good to see that you can agree to disagree.

Yes, I had the feeling that if I went all "religious zeal" (Which I am very prone to doing. Jupiter rising..) about this then I was being just as bad as the brainwashers out there.
My mum made me feel bad about it saying that I was cruel "not keeping him company downstairs watching tele'!!! So I thought I should involve him and try and get him to watch the Astro-theology DVD I just got from Micheal Tsarion with me. I guess you can offer them the choice. Reassure them you are not leaving them out without trying to "convert" them.
So yes I,ll just focus on my own growth. If it makes me happy and a better person. So that I treat him kinder then it really shouldnt matter. Be an inspiration . Live & let live and all that.
 
All that is fine, but easier said than done. I have somewhat of the same problem, but I found no matter what you believe the problem of seperation in the family is not a small one. Nore does it go away easily, or on it's own. General rule of thumb--your getting better when everything else gets worse... Deconstrution--then construction. You will find when you think it's him.. It's you.. and when you think it's you, it's him projecting on you. It's all very tricky. I think the key is COMPASSION. If we don't know better whe can't do better. Knowing your husbands background, how he got to be who he is, can help you see him for who he is behind the mask. It's too hard for most people to look at themselves and see the ugly. It took how many years for you do get all messed up? If you know Michael Tsarion then you know women can be of great influence. We have just been using it wrong!! We can lead with a humble heart. Never get prideful, or righteous, that's a big turn off, So i guess, Live and Let Love!!!
 
Tsarion aside, I think one who is working in one's self, becomes a influence. And this can be very intence. I mean, a very present influence. Yes: More than the influence the Telly can provide.
The contact most not necesarly go beyond the usual style, in the sence of pushing or suggesting the other party is "staying back" somehow.
By just being there, one who is working on it's self inyects a difference. This is impossible to be unoticed. And among equals, there is no need to lead. Now, the thing is, how this influence will be interpreted by the other one (husband, friend, mother, whatever)?: This is where the path of the other person starts to appear, and this on it's own is, I think, quite enough: One has manage to comunicate, in a energetic level, a element of activation.
And things start to move. To what direction? Thats another story. The idela is for things to start to move towards the own destiny of those involved. And this can signify different directions.
And life has talked then.
 
Hi, i don't mean to interrupt, but you guys might want to check up on a forum thread discussing michael tsarion. Check this link out:

http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=764

cheers
 
Personally I find it very difficult to even talk to religious people, much less have an involved relationship with them. I mean, as someone said, compassion is very impotant in the case of having patience and tolerance and accepting others as they are without pressuring them in any way to change. Suggestions and bringing up ideas openly and without any "pressure" seems the only thing that can be done, but if those ideas and suggestions are ignored or turned away, that is their choice. However, this also means that the level of communication and the level of understanding and connection you can share with another person can be severely stunted. Personally, I'd find such a relationship pretty unfulfilling and utterly pointless. I'd very much like the person I am with to also "move forward", not necessarily at the same exact rate but at least colinearity has to be there - the direction must be the same, the goal the same, and movement towards the direction must exist.

Of course, if you're attached to the person you cannot just easily "turn it off" and walk away either. More than that, you don't want to hurt THEM just because you decided to grow and advance and they didn't. They may be a good, loving person that loves you and so you'd feel very selfish and unsympathetic if you were to just walk away. It is such a painful thing to know that THEY don't understand why you may wish to leave, because in order for them to understand that they'd have to understand what you've learned and the direction you've chosen, which they can't understand until they also choose it and make progress along this path. And of course you'll be confronted with questions like "don't you love me anymore?" as your partner grasps at straws to try to understand. If someone ever asks me that question I might have too many tears to be able to answer. It's funny that in a sense, it is a lot like bringing your child to school for the first time and leaving him/her there. He/she looks at you with those desperate, scared, but trusting eyes and can't understand why you're leaving him/her for the first time in a foreign place and going away! You know it must be done, but you don't know how to explain it to the child to make him/her understand that this is not permanent, that you'll be back, to understand that it's ok and he/she will be ok. Although YOU understand this, because your child may not and is crying his/her eyes out, it may make YOU cry and not want to leave him/her despite your knowing better. I've seen parents almost being carried out because they couldn't bear to leave their child in school for the first time. If they could only explain to the child, make him/her understand - but they can't and it's killing them!

But going back to relationships, in the end it's not really necessary to end any relationship until the time has come to do so, and when that time comes we know. And by that I mean, we simply cannot move forward with our progress without ending it, it becomes too much of a hindrance and then we must stop and ask ourselves what is more impotant to us and why. But that time DOES come if one is to continue the esoteric work, the point does come where we must no longer have "both" and get away with it, and our progress will depend on that choice, osit. The C's have suggested that we not think about it as acting "against" someone else, but in terms of acting towards our own destiny. So you're not doing this with any intent to harm, you simply have no other alternative if you are to continue to make progress and grow as a being. And that growth, if used in an STO way, can benefit millions and billions of others later, so it is not a selfish thing at all to move forward with our destiny. It may seem this way at the moment though.
 
Hi ScioAgapeOmnis,

Re : Perants Don,t worry. In the end they will come round. My husbands perants were DEAD against me. Them being strong Sicilian Catholics and united family. While my Perants divorced. They found me "unsuitable" as I wasnt a good virgin/housewife type. Four 4 years we had a long distance relationship with it on and off due to his perants AND mine at the time. My husband left Sicily to be with me in London 11 years ago and for 3 years he didnt go back there because they wouldnt let me come with him. But then we got engaged and they slowly came round. Now that we are married and have kid they are perfectly sweet to me. Luckily the language barrier probably keeps us at a state of bearable naivety. Thank god we dont live in the same country.

Re;SleepyPalmer. It does get worst before better.

Everything seems to be coming to a head! Just had a huge argument because I stayed up all night with friends I hadnt seen foe 15 years and didnt come home. This was due drink and some mad pepper pills (A legal high much like speed) When he said for the first time ever that he didnt like this "Lifestyle" and he was thinking we should split. I found myself amazed that I reallly didnt want to. After months of thinking if only HE would finish it and the decision would be made for me.

I came to the conclussion that these wild nights out were dont doing my psyche or body any good. That as some one says "Soul mates are made, not born". That if I work on myself and find inner peace that would radiate into our marraige. I said I will try and stop drinking for a while. Have a good cleanse and see if I can go back to drinking at a sensible level. Meanwhile working on my meditation and just reading.

I realise now, some people, even if they dont seem brimming with enthusiasm over every mad idea you have . Can be with you by just being quietly there. My husband is not a great intellectual. But he has stuck by me through thick and thin and thats something isnt it? He might not show it much. But maybe that quiet love in itself gives you a grounding that I would not of had If I was "free."
Every ship needs and anchor eh?

Thanks for Tsarion link, Wilecoyte
 
I came back to all this due to realising I had a nice enough husband, a wonderfull kid and brilliant job but not happy.
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Nice enough husband? Hardly the love affair of the century is it. Seems to me you came back to this because you ticked off some boxes. Husband check, kids check, job check. Right lets try some esoterica.

My husband is not a great intellectual. But he has stuck by me through thick and thin and thats something isnt it?
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Is it something? maybe he has little chance to attract another mate and doesn't want to be alone. Hence staying with you in what seems to me a marriage of convenience. (For both of you).
And yes your husband is right. It is natural to want to be controlled, the C's have said we crave authority until we learn otherwise. As for Tsarion I wouldn't waste my time.

That if I work on myself and find inner peace that would radiate into our marraige.
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What makes you think if you find inner peace, whatever that is, that it will just miraculously radiate in to your marriage and everything will be fine. If anything the opposite will probably happen.
The objective of the work or the work done here is not to find inner peace (that may or may not happen as a by product) but the development and then the alignment of objective consciousnesses as defined and described by Georges Gurdjieff.
 
Well thank you Moonwalker for making me feel completely stupid. I really don,t know what to say to that.
 
Mercurius, you say you are here "thanks to Michael Tsarion". Are you a regular reader of SOTT? Have you read the "Wave" or "Adventures" series by Laura? Do you know anything about the esoteric Tradition of Gurdjieff and Mouravieff?

If not, you may find the approach taken here differs quite notably from Tsarion, and other "New Age" teachings you might be used to. See this thread for more. If you come onto a public forum environment that you are unfamiliar with and start asking for perspectives on delicate personal matters such as close relationships (especially ones that might affect a child), it is only common sense to expect that some of the responses you receive might be a shock to you.

This forum and those who post here sincerely are interested in the search for Truth, which can sometimes be an unpleasant thing to face. It is not my intention to offend, but I think from your posts so far that you may yet have to face some hard truths about yourself, assuming you really are sincere.
 
No I havent read any of the books you have mentioned. I am looking for truth. But its so hard to know where to start.
Yes maybe I have to face some hard truths. Its hard when you have a 3 yr old to know what to do for the best.
Also as a "normal person". I do find this all abit highbrow and inaccessble. Michael at least got some of the message out there. Isnt that a good thing? How on earth are we to find the truth if its buried so deep that only intellectuals can access it.
Sorry. If I,m acting sensitive to this. And thanks for pointing me in the right direction.
 
Can you recommend any other books that deal with Alternative History? (That havent been written by cult leaders.)
 
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Can you recommend any other books that deal with Alternative History? (That havent been written by cult leaders.)
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"Secret History of the World" by LKJ, unless you mean other than that?
 
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