Bad feelings about Urbansurvival and George Ure

Appollynon

Jedi Master
I've been keeping up with the site of George Ure for around two years now, and many times have thught that he can be quite a good source of news for the Webbot work from halfpasthuman. However recently I have been getting a knot in my stomach about some of the stories he has held on site, such as heaping praise on Alex Jones and linking to Prison Planet among some of the thing that have turned my stomach. However it wasn't until today I noticed something very odd (even for George's finacial news site) that made me feel really sickened.

What I saw was a small headline that read "Circumsision Lowers Aid's Risk", with nothing more than a link to the news article being run by the Independant Newpaper here in the UK. Now I'm no biologist, so whether such a story is true or not I cannot say for sure(tho I suspect it may be a cover to increase the rate of circumsision in the genral populace), but for a business and financial webpage to carry this story with no comment on it, well I found it pretty disgusting. I say this in light of the research done into what circumsision may really be used to do to young babies (as can be read in the 9-11 truth book) and how to alienate them from the world an there feelings.

So my question is this...Is George Ure's site simply unconsious COINTELPRO or is he maybe getting orders from someone/somewhere? Has anyone here got any opinions on this site?
 
my impression is that george ure himself and his site urbansurvival.com are strictly "know something at a low level" plus "some insider info" as somebody working in oil biz and interested in stock investments. the alternative, to suspect him of spreading disinfo, lets just say that a) i'd IMHO adjudicate whatever disinfo he spreads to ignorance on his part, and b) there are people on this forum far better at "spotting them" than myself. the only thing i know for sure is that once in the past he posted something about himself/his son which i definitely did not like. no specifics pls.

regarding HPH and their webbot project (HPH and urbansurvival are different people), my impression is that it is computer-assisted tea leave reading. i've read some of the extracts from their webbot runs and i've not been able to make much out of of them, and the given interpretations, well, see and opine for yourself. the subscription price of $250 a hit is serious money, but they seem to have a market. what strikes me as odd is that the webbot project is implemented in prolog (a programming language associated with the artificial intelligence), but that may be because i've never had to do with AI. prolog is a bit yesterday and there is IMO more developed technology available these days to do text/language analysis, but saying that is probably like telling the chef how to manage his kitchen.

here is a description of the project:
_http://www.bbsradio.com/cgi-bin/webbbs/webbbs_config.pl/noframes/read/6717

still, there is a solid piece of software made by HPH which is IMO a MUST HAVE for people who read lots: their machine assisted reading software, which makes it possible to read at up to 2000 words per minute. the software is described on on halfpasthuman.com. here is a link to the patent of the technology behind that software:

_http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6925613.html

my overall impression is that the people behind HPH are doing respectable and interesting work.
hope that was informative.
 
I read Urbansurvival every day as I also read Sott
but today somebody sent George a letter ( _http://urbansurvival.com )
sounds like somebody that is also on this forum ?
This is the letter only, gotta go to the site for
George response ....


Our occasional critic in the Czech Republic (several thousand miles differentiated from here in the sane Republic outback of the Checkbook Republic) has sent another communiqué for us to digest...

Vazený Jíří,

I have a new laptop, purchased here in Prague complete with Czech keyboard. So I can send you email messages with your name in Czech spelled correctly.

I have to give you credit, you do get me thinking as opposed to some of the other respondents. But remember that Americans are not used to thinking, at least for themselves. Clif High’s introduction to the ALTA reports about thinking for one’s self is the most scary thing he has ever written to these people. If that were not the case, you would be doing something else than writing Urban Survival.

First, I see your point in suggesting Krugman or Steiglitz to replace Larry Summers. However, America has no more time left to buy or borrow. In my view, the sooner your country meets its day of reckoning, the better. The rest of the world needs to know that the United States is not capitalist.

Imagine a Christian church whose congregation chooses to burn their bibles and hymn books, remove all crucifixes, and never mentions Jesus ever again. No one in his right mind would call the church Christian.

As Doug Casey said in one of his conversations, the United States needs to go into detox. I can only add that those affected by Americans need purging themselves. This process will not be pretty and it will, by any historical assessment, require at least 40 years. I have no idea how long it will take, given the magnitude of the situation and how much damage will have to be sustained and dealt with, but it is staggering. One can use the number seven as a symbolic shorthand.

So why do we persist in calling the United States capitalist when it is destroying not only its own capital but also everyone else’s? One needs to be very clear on this: American capitalism is neither capitalism nor business nor trade. It is a façade for psychopaths instead. I have to say that there is much more honest business going on in the Czech Republic than in the United States, except in those fields that have come under American influence like finance and information technology.

Your discussion yesterday on the rich and on concentration of wealth leaves out the critical matter of how such people got that money. It is one thing to conceive and develop goods and services of value, that improve the lot of so many people that, even if the good is cheap, the creator ends up fabulously wealthy. Those who achieve riches at others’ expense, by force or fraud are another matter entirely. You make no such distinction.

It does not matter to me if I end up a billionaire—in gold money, not by someone attaching zeroes to the right of numbers. What matters to me is whether or not I live my life and apply my talents and abilities appropriately and if I can meet my commitments and earn a living. I really do not care about who makes what as I have other priorities. What I do care is whether or not I can live in a civilization in an atmosphere of mutual respect, which your nation does not provide, regardless of income level.

You address all sorts of preparations for Doomsday. You have yet to mention psychopathy, or evil. All of those preps mean nothing unless we address this issue of how to deal with those without conscience.

In my experience, it does not tale many psychopaths to ruin a company—in management it takes only one per 300; in a family, one such person will produce a disaster unless identified and isolated. When an entire nation goes psychopathic, the result can be more deadly than an asteroid or comet meeting our planet.

I have investment advice for you: Go to _www.lewrockwell.com and read the serialized version of John Taylor Gatto’s The Underground History of American Public Education. Chapter 15 is crucially important and it is presented today. Gatto comes to the same conclusions as such diverse people like Robert L Kocher’s Analytic Papers (_http://members.mountain.net/theanalyticpapers/), Laura Knight-Jadzyk, and those I have met from these parts and east who have worked and studied in the United States in addition to me from my own observations and experiences.

This dream of self-organizing communities replacing institutions will mean nothing if these communities are of people with the levels of evil will and intent as we see now. What will we have achieved if Americans have made their land so bad that an African watering hole in the dry season be like a formal upper-class men’s club in Pall Mall a century ago in comparison?

S pozdravem,
 
Appollynon said:
I've been keeping up with the site of George Ure for around two years now, and many times have thought that he can be quite a good source of news for the Webbot work from halfpasthuman.

Ditto. Also, for some time now, he's featured readers' comments that he categorizes as WuJo. These are recent events in the readers' lives that have to do with time loss/gain, misplaced (?) objects searched for frantically and thouroughly that inexplicably reappear in odd places, etc. I find these reports interesting because they seem genuine and they are, if true, highly irregular anomalies in the otherwise well-ordered and regulated lives of these people.

Today, Mr. Ure presented the theory that the "terrorism" fears that are pushed so relentlessly may be a distraction from some future thing/event, possibly having to do with our perception of time.

All of which leads to a very interesting notion - make a fine plot for a novel, too: Suppose that some group of expert scientists have figured out, based on anecdotal reports like the ones this morning, that pop up all over the internet, have decided they need a way to gather a lot more information - in detail - about these kinds of happenings.

Could that be one of the drivers for huge government databases? Clearly, there's a case to be made that the USA (and Western royalistas) world has gone a bit over the top on anti-terrorism. But what IF that's only the cover story.

Suppose for a moment there is something else going on (I'm working on a novel with this as the plot line, so I've spent a good deal of time thinking about it.)

We don't have time to get into it this morning, but just let that roll around between your ears for a while: What kind of future things/events would be well-hidden by terrorism fears? A global war among religions? End of Oil/Peak Energy war? Some external threat like a Niburu/Planet X? Or, knowledge that the Pacific Tectonic plate really was on the verge of breaking up and that the West Coast would be shattered as a good chunk of California goes sliding into the ocean?

Or maybe it's something much more simple. Maybe it's a slowly propagating realization via a huge mass of humans communicating on the internet resulting in some self-realizations that as a species we might wish to repress. Namely, that we're lost our sense of time, and we've left many things undone, wrongly done, resulting in a global "out of placeness" which now presents itself to us for inspection and correction.
~George Ure (urbansurvival.com)

Maybe I've missed it or forgotten it, but I don't recall seeing this idea put forward. My thinking has been that the entire "war on terror" gig has to do with a drive toward a new and improved brand of fascism, but maybe it's an attempt at misdirection from some of all of the above.
 
I use to read Urbansurvival every day and have found that it doesn't provide much value from my current understanding. I do go there a couple times a week to see if he has posted any interesting links, but grew tired of his commentary. When I was reading Urbansurvival often and doing more web reading of other sites I noticed that he took a lot of his links from what was posted on the Drudge Report and just added his personal take on it. I don't see him as very objective or willing to rock the boat by coming out regularly against the US government on topics such as 9/11. He had made comments to the effect in the past that he was afraid at some level to do so. I don't think he is a conscious agent, but just doesn't look deeper into issues to the point that he says some pretty ridiculous things and posts disinformation from the sites that we here see as questionable.

edit added: it is from urbansurvival linking to a now defunct blog, Deconsumption, that linked to SOTT that I found my way to reading SOTT back in 2004.
 
I think George Ure is well meaning, but mostly clueless. His main thing is his 'portfolio'...and how to profit from the 'crash'. Incidentally, I sent a link to the original 'beyond the dutroux affair...etc' to him and a couple of other 'news' sites 4 or 5 days ago. I didn't even get a "you're crazy" email. No posting on these, dare I call them, "infotainment" sites. Sad...really sad.

Kris
 
I agree with everyone's comments in general. In particular, I think he has been "losing it" over the last 6 months or so. There also seems to be some fear creeping into the background of his words - like he is trying out methods of staying under increasingly sensitive radar. There really isn't much worth looking at anymore.
 
Clif High (Ure partner in time) update:

I read High's sometimes ranty carryings-on and listen to his audios for mental filing with a wait-and-see attitude. He describes himself as "an old bald guy" trying to do his best, and that seems to me to be the case. Anyway, High's latest audio discusses his belief that a remote viewing experiment by Courtney Brown's FarSight outfit explains a heretofore mysterious 'data-gap' in the ongoing WebBot Alta reports appearing for several years.

Courtney Brown comes up in a forum search of 'farsight' with these two hits containing the most information:
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,5.msg5446.html#msg5446
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,19150.msg184736.html#msg184736

Remote viewing in general is discussed at some length in this session with the C's:
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,26593.msg319795.html#msg319795

Briefly, Brown's experiment that has High stirred up is this: two future timelines are remote-viewed in 2013, one a timeline in which traditional views hold sway and the other a timeline in which RV and ETs are accepted openly by the scientific community (T/L A & T/L B). Both timeline results seem predictive of 2013 disasters by meteor strikes or some similar devastation producing event with somewhat less damage predicted for B.

Here's the page that fully explains the experiment and contains an 18 minute video of Brown:
_http://www.farsight.org/demo/Demo2008/RV_Demo_2008_Page1.html [link deactivated by moderator]


An excerpt from the page lists some governments' actions/inactions both odd and seemingly far from interconnected but which, when considered together, could indicate a Powers That Be awareness of a near-term global disaster:

1.The U.S. Space Shuttle will launch its last mission in mid-2011. At that time, NASA is entirely abandoning its government-funded manned spaceflight program. Given the investment that the U.S. has made in launching humans into space since the 1960s, this is odd, especially since private efforts to launch humans into space are years away, and currently unproven. It is as if the government does not anticipate being able to launch humans into space in the near future for reasons not currently stated.

2.The Svalbard Global Seed Vault is being sealed in 2011. This will allow the world to restart agriculture given a global catastrophe. The United Nations formally inspected the facility, which might seem odd for a Norwegian project. The timing of this project seems like a strange coincidence.

3.U.S. and global debt. It is as if various governments are not expecting to have to pay back their debts, perhaps anticipating a global economic reset due to reasons not currently stated.

4.The devaluing of the U.S. dollar seems to be a trend that will stay. Moody, Standard and Poor, and Fitch have announced that they may be devaluing the rating of U.S. Treasury bonds (see NY Times article, 15 March 2010, as well as the editorial on 20 March 2010), and there have been discussions within the United Nations of the International Monetary Fund phasing out its dependency on the U.S. dollar. The governments seem to be acting as if the U.S. dollar will be replaced as the global currency.

5.Digging, digging is everywhere. The U.S. has no nuclear enemies, yet it is digging huge underground facilities in inhospitable regions difficult for the masses to reach. Why? On the other hand, the Chinese tend to think collectively, and China is digging extraordinary subway complexes under most of its major cities in a crash program that seems odd in terms of timing and scope. See, for example, the NY Times article by Keith Bradsher, 27 March 2009. Subways are, of course, conveniently located underground tunnels, and such tunnels could house millions of people in an emergency. Russia announced in 2011 that it is adding 5,000 new nuclear bomb shelters in Moscow, enabling it to protect all of Moscow's residents. The program is to be rushed so that it is finished in 2012. Why? Russia has no nuclear enemies. Russia's new subway systems have also been placed deeper than needed so that they can be used as deep emergency shelters. Again, why? Why all these preparations, and why the rush?

6.NASA is now predicting that the Sun may generate unprecedented solar storms for a lengthy period in 2012-13. We cannot accurately predict Earth's normal weather a week in advance, and it is by no means clear how NASA can do this with respect unprecedented weather on the Sun years in advance. They are saying that we are more dependent on vulnerable computer technology now. But we had similar dependencies in 2001 and 1990 when previous 11-year solar cycles hit. What is different about the current cycle? Some might suggest that NASA is acting as if it has some extra information that is not currently stated.



High's WebBot reports have predicted a 'global coastal event' for some time, and he's of the opinion that meteor strikes fit his data and PTB knowledge of same explain the seemingly irrational international paralysis regarding the Fukushima mess.

Here's a brief transcript (errors, if any, mine and inadvertent) of some of High's closing comments:

"[...]The experiment that Courtney Brown did is validated by our work insofar as the data gap and it also validates our work insofar as the global coastal event[...]

"[...]This makes everything make sense; no wonder the powers that Be don't give a rat's ass about Fukushimia. No wonder there's not a global effort to cap that thing and kick the Japanese into getting out of the way and letting us clean it up. No wonder we're not trying to rescue the global economy, no wonder blah blah...it just doesn't matter. Anything that the power elite are doing that makes no sense in terms of ****ing over the planet now all makes sense: they need not care because it's gonna happen before June of 2013. So the supposition in fact...we have a lot of stuff in our data that says that the power elite were gonna start disappearing from public site right around the election time within the populace USA, so when Hillary is simply not seen and somebody says in February, 'hmm, we haven't seen Hillary and her ilk here in the last couple of months, wonder where that...(Hillary)... is', well, by then she'll be in her hidey-hole, and within a short period of time you'll see plasma events in the sky, giant static waves will come through and destroy cell towers and so on[...]"

High then refers to a "Rand report or government report a couple of years ago" re: natural disaster of meteors in which "the Americas would take up to 1200 impacts."
 
This experiment has already been discussed in some detail on this forum here. http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,19150.msg253276.html#msg253276

Personally, I think that the interview was interesting and worth listening to if you want a more detailed and organized overview of the experiment than what is available on his site, but it is really nothing new. It just suggests to me again that Clif is pretty behind the curve. It's funny that things SOTT/QFS was running years ago are just now coming out into the "alternative" community. Now all of the sudden that Kerry Cassidy is talking about it, it's a big deal.

I think the reason the community here is sensing that these people are "losing it" is because they are pretty firmly plugged in to disinformation networks. Judging by what Clif writes about and who he associates with, he is pretty much encapsulated by the PTB, even if he is not an agent himself. They know what he and George read and who they listen to. Whenever they want to start a meme they just have their agents start disseminating something and it usually takes quasi-independent researchers like Clif along for the ride. I don't think this particular interview was disinfo, for the most part, but there may be an effort to spin it later.

From what I gathered from the Transcripts, Courtney seems to be playing both sides of the middle, perhaps hoping that he can leak enough information to create some kind of critical mass, while also not trying to rock the boat too much with the PTB and maintain some degree of comfortable existence. I think his primary motivation is to get himself validated by the mainstream, judging by the somewhat ridiculous parameters he set for his alternate timelines. If there really is a cometary disaster in 2013, his work will probably generate a lot of interest if there is anybody left to care.

One thing that kind of irked me about Clifs reports was the lack of anything mentioned about comets. Now suddenly he has reinterpreted the whole thing thanks to Kerry Cassidy (and really Laura was way ahead on this one, but I guess she doesn't have enough money and backers to be considered "important"). While it might give his reports a bit more reliability, it shows how susceptible they are to his interpretations, which are usually way off base. Once you remove the interpretations, all you are left with is a few general themes that anyone who is paying attention to what is happening in the world could come up with; no thousands of dollars worth of computer equipment or fancy analytics required. Clif is very entertaining to listen to, and his underlying data may have some validity if you can ever drill down to it, but by and large I see him as somewhat intellectual infotainment.

So to wrap this up, interesting interview, the experiment seems to be a good example of the scientific approach to mysticism, but it is really nothing new to us here.
 
Neil said:
(and really Laura was way ahead on this one, but I guess she doesn't have enough money and backers to be considered "important").

Not only is it that Laura does not have the money that some of these others do, the most important thing - and why she doesn't have the money - is that Laura cannot be bought - or controlled. Once that was found out, and that she recognized the pathology and psychopathy with these individuals, she has been defamed or ignored by all of them.
 
The bottom line for me concerning George Ure was - if there was ever an actual collapse that brings humanity back to the stone age, as the annual web bot reports were saying, will humanity benefit from people like George surviving and being successful enough to spread his paradigm?

That would be a recipe for re-creating the very problems we have right now.
 
Patrick said:
Clif High (Ure partner in time) update:

I read High's sometimes ranty carryings-on and listen to his audios for mental filing with a wait-and-see attitude. He describes himself as "an old bald guy" trying to do his best, and that seems to me to be the case. Anyway, High's latest audio discusses his belief that a remote viewing experiment by Courtney Brown's FarSight outfit explains a heretofore mysterious 'data-gap' in the ongoing WebBot Alta reports appearing for several years.

Courtney Brown comes up in a forum search of 'farsight' with these two hits containing the most information:
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,5.msg5446.html#msg5446
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,19150.msg184736.html#msg184736

Remote viewing in general is discussed at some length in this session with the C's:
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,26593.msg319795.html#msg319795

Briefly, Brown's experiment that has High stirred up is this: two future timelines are remote-viewed in 2013, one a timeline in which traditional views hold sway and the other a timeline in which RV and ETs are accepted openly by the scientific community (T/L A & T/L B). Both timeline results seem predictive of 2013 disasters by meteor strikes or some similar devastation producing event with somewhat less damage predicted for B.

Here's the page that fully explains the experiment and contains an 18 minute video of Brown:
_http://www.farsight.org/demo/Demo2008/RV_Demo_2008_Page1.html [link deactivated by moderator]


An excerpt from the page lists some governments' actions/inactions both odd and seemingly far from interconnected but which, when considered together, could indicate a Powers That Be awareness of a near-term global disaster:

1.The U.S. Space Shuttle will launch its last mission in mid-2011. At that time, NASA is entirely abandoning its government-funded manned spaceflight program. Given the investment that the U.S. has made in launching humans into space since the 1960s, this is odd, especially since private efforts to launch humans into space are years away, and currently unproven. It is as if the government does not anticipate being able to launch humans into space in the near future for reasons not currently stated.

2.The Svalbard Global Seed Vault is being sealed in 2011. This will allow the world to restart agriculture given a global catastrophe. The United Nations formally inspected the facility, which might seem odd for a Norwegian project. The timing of this project seems like a strange coincidence.

3.U.S. and global debt. It is as if various governments are not expecting to have to pay back their debts, perhaps anticipating a global economic reset due to reasons not currently stated.

4.The devaluing of the U.S. dollar seems to be a trend that will stay. Moody, Standard and Poor, and Fitch have announced that they may be devaluing the rating of U.S. Treasury bonds (see NY Times article, 15 March 2010, as well as the editorial on 20 March 2010), and there have been discussions within the United Nations of the International Monetary Fund phasing out its dependency on the U.S. dollar. The governments seem to be acting as if the U.S. dollar will be replaced as the global currency.

5.Digging, digging is everywhere. The U.S. has no nuclear enemies, yet it is digging huge underground facilities in inhospitable regions difficult for the masses to reach. Why? On the other hand, the Chinese tend to think collectively, and China is digging extraordinary subway complexes under most of its major cities in a crash program that seems odd in terms of timing and scope. See, for example, the NY Times article by Keith Bradsher, 27 March 2009. Subways are, of course, conveniently located underground tunnels, and such tunnels could house millions of people in an emergency. Russia announced in 2011 that it is adding 5,000 new nuclear bomb shelters in Moscow, enabling it to protect all of Moscow's residents. The program is to be rushed so that it is finished in 2012. Why? Russia has no nuclear enemies. Russia's new subway systems have also been placed deeper than needed so that they can be used as deep emergency shelters. Again, why? Why all these preparations, and why the rush?

6.NASA is now predicting that the Sun may generate unprecedented solar storms for a lengthy period in 2012-13. We cannot accurately predict Earth's normal weather a week in advance, and it is by no means clear how NASA can do this with respect unprecedented weather on the Sun years in advance. They are saying that we are more dependent on vulnerable computer technology now. But we had similar dependencies in 2001 and 1990 when previous 11-year solar cycles hit. What is different about the current cycle? Some might suggest that NASA is acting as if it has some extra information that is not currently stated.



High's WebBot reports have predicted a 'global coastal event' for some time, and he's of the opinion that meteor strikes fit his data and PTB knowledge of same explain the seemingly irrational international paralysis regarding the Fukushima mess.

Here's a brief transcript (errors, if any, mine and inadvertent) of some of High's closing comments:

"[...]The experiment that Courtney Brown did is validated by our work insofar as the data gap and it also validates our work insofar as the global coastal event[...]

"[...]This makes everything make sense; no wonder the powers that Be don't give a rat's ass about Fukushimia. No wonder there's not a global effort to cap that thing and kick the Japanese into getting out of the way and letting us clean it up. No wonder we're not trying to rescue the global economy, no wonder blah blah...it just doesn't matter. Anything that the power elite are doing that makes no sense in terms of ****ing over the planet now all makes sense: they need not care because it's gonna happen before June of 2013. So the supposition in fact...we have a lot of stuff in our data that says that the power elite were gonna start disappearing from public site right around the election time within the populace USA, so when Hillary is simply not seen and somebody says in February, 'hmm, we haven't seen Hillary and her ilk here in the last couple of months, wonder where that...(Hillary)... is', well, by then she'll be in her hidey-hole, and within a short period of time you'll see plasma events in the sky, giant static waves will come through and destroy cell towers and so on[...]"

High then refers to a "Rand report or government report a couple of years ago" re: natural disaster of meteors in which "the Americas would take up to 1200 impacts."


Orange highlight as it is relevant to C's 3/23 session of some a 'doozie' of a fireball coming with friends.

I'm wondering if the friends coming are the plague (disease). Would 'radiation' whether it comes from the sun or the comet carrying a plague be interpreted in similar ways? So, we have radiation; sun disease; plague. If there is nukAler warring, at the same time as the fireballs with crabs, it might all look like the same thing and the fog of war so thick, humanity would not know how to tell the difference, other than, burying the dead. :(
 
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