Baffled scientists say less sunlight is reaching earth...

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A Disturbance in the Force
"Separately, satellite data recently showed that while the difference between high and low clouds had long been steady at 7-8 percent, in the past five years, for some unknown reason, the difference has jumped to 13 percent. High, warming clouds have increased while low clouds have decreased. "

I wonder how much of the increase in the high clouds is due to the 'chem-trails' that are being seen worldwide now.
 
I was about to suggest the same thing. has this scientist never heard of chemtrails? and he's studying the sky? he must walk round with his eyes closed, just like everyone else, sigh :rolleyes:

I remember finding out about an event that tends to support this idea: when all planes were grounded immediately following 9-11 there was an immediate temporary shift in the earth's temperature by something like a degree centigrade, because of the suddenly decreased albedo. I don't have any immediate confirmable data on that, but I think that's approximately what happened.
 
The BBC documentary series Horizon produced a programme called Global Dimming. See http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/dimming_prog_summary.shtml.

This is an excerpt from the transcript:

NARRATOR (JACK FORTUNE): This is a film that demands action. It reveals that we may have grossly underestimated the speed at which our climate is changing. At its heart is a deadly new phenomenon. One that until very recently scientists refused to believe even existed. But it may already have led to the starvation of millions. Tonight Horizon examines for the first time the power of what scientists are calling Global Dimming.

NARRATOR: September 12th 2001, the aftermath of tragedy. While America mourned, the weather all over the country was unusually fine. Eight hundred miles west of New York, in Madison, Wisconsin a climate scientist called David Travis was on his way to work.

DR DAVID TRAVIS (University of Wisconsin, Whitewater): Around the twelfth, later on in the day, when I was driving to work, and I noticed how bright blue and clear the sky was. And at first I didn't think about it, then I realised the sky was unusually clear.

NARRATOR: For 15 years Travis had been researching an apparently obscure topic, whether the vapour trails left by aircraft were having a significant effect on the climate. In the aftermath of 9/11 the entire US fleet was grounded, and Travis finally had a chance to find out.

DR DAVID TRAVIS: It was certainly, you know, one of the tiny positives that may have come out of this, an opportunity to do research that hopefully will never happen again.

NARRATOR: Travis suspected the grounding might make a small but detectable change to the climate. But what he observed was both immediate and dramatic.

DR DAVID TRAVIS: We found that the change in temperature range during those three days was just over one degrees C. And you have to realise that from a layman's perspective that doesn't sound like much, but from a climate perspective that is huge.

NARRATOR: One degree in just three days no one had ever seen such a big climatic change happen so fast. This was a new kind of climate change. Scientists call it Global Dimming. Two years ago most of them had never even heard of it, yet now they believe it may mean all their predictions about the future of our climate could be wrong. The trail that would lead to the discovery of Global Dimming began 40 years ago, in Israel with the work of a young English immigrant called Gerry Stanhill. A trained biologist, Gerry got a job helping to design irrigation schemes. His task was to measure how strongly the sun shone over Israel.
It seems that global dimming, caused in part by aircraft 'emissions', is acting to reduce global warming. This is perhaps one of the reasons that governments are keen to promote more & more air travel; even though this will lead to more CO2 and therefore more warming!
 
sleepyvinny said:
I was about to suggest the same thing. has this scientist never heard of chemtrails? and he's studying the sky? he must walk round with his eyes closed, just like everyone else, sigh :rolleyes:
I've actually pointed them out to people and as they are looking right at them they really don't seem to see them. Makes me think of strobes and auditory programming to keep people from 'seeing'... something.

sleepyvinny said:
I remember finding out about an event that tends to support this idea: when all planes were grounded immediately following 9-11 there was an immediate temporary shift in the earth's temperature by something like a degree centigrade, because of the suddenly decreased albedo. I don't have any immediate confirmable data on that, but I think that's approximately what happened.
All but MILITARY plane were grounded. I was living on the Front Range of the Rocikies at the time, about 50 miles north of Denver, and our skies were being patrolled by the military ... or so we were told.
 
Here in the UK, we are having unseasonal weather. Not that I am complaining, as I can't tolerate heat and humidity for health reasons. I am not complaining about the increased precipitation; better than a drought. However, it is obvious that something is happening to the climate and I feel that Britain is slipping into another ice age.
 
rachel07 said:
Here in the UK, we are having unseasonal weather. Not that I am complaining, as I can't tolerate heat and humidity for health reasons. I am not complaining about the increased precipitation; better than a drought. However, it is obvious that something is happening to the climate and I feel that Britain is slipping into another ice age.
heh. we always have unseasonal weather in the UK ;) I'd say its pretty normal this year!
I've known it to snow in may, or be brilliant sunshine 'T-shirt weather' in november. I quite like that randomness, but it makes it very difficult to see whether the overall pattern is actually changing.
 
I agree, it seems that the UK has had 'freak weather' ever since I became old enough to look for any patterns in it. This is not the place to look for glaring changes, although I'm sure there are some.
 
Craig H said:
The BBC documentary series Horizon produced a programme called Global Dimming. See http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/dimming_prog_summary.shtml.

This is an excerpt from the transcript:

NARRATOR (JACK FORTUNE): This is a film that demands action. It reveals that we may have grossly underestimated the speed at which our climate is changing. At its heart is a deadly new phenomenon. One that until very recently scientists refused to believe even existed. But it may already have led to the starvation of millions. Tonight Horizon examines for the first time the power of what scientists are calling Global Dimming.

NARRATOR: September 12th 2001, the aftermath of tragedy. While America mourned, the weather all over the country was unusually fine. Eight hundred miles west of New York, in Madison, Wisconsin a climate scientist called David Travis was on his way to work.

DR DAVID TRAVIS (University of Wisconsin, Whitewater): Around the twelfth, later on in the day, when I was driving to work, and I noticed how bright blue and clear the sky was. And at first I didn't think about it, then I realised the sky was unusually clear.

NARRATOR: For 15 years Travis had been researching an apparently obscure topic, whether the vapour trails left by aircraft were having a significant effect on the climate. In the aftermath of 9/11 the entire US fleet was grounded, and Travis finally had a chance to find out.

DR DAVID TRAVIS: It was certainly, you know, one of the tiny positives that may have come out of this, an opportunity to do research that hopefully will never happen again.

NARRATOR: Travis suspected the grounding might make a small but detectable change to the climate. But what he observed was both immediate and dramatic.

DR DAVID TRAVIS: We found that the change in temperature range during those three days was just over one degrees C. And you have to realise that from a layman's perspective that doesn't sound like much, but from a climate perspective that is huge.

NARRATOR: One degree in just three days no one had ever seen such a big climatic change happen so fast. This was a new kind of climate change. Scientists call it Global Dimming. Two years ago most of them had never even heard of it, yet now they believe it may mean all their predictions about the future of our climate could be wrong. The trail that would lead to the discovery of Global Dimming began 40 years ago, in Israel with the work of a young English immigrant called Gerry Stanhill. A trained biologist, Gerry got a job helping to design irrigation schemes. His task was to measure how strongly the sun shone over Israel.
It seems that global dimming, caused in part by aircraft 'emissions', is acting to reduce global warming. This is perhaps one of the reasons that governments are keen to promote more & more air travel; even though this will lead to more CO2 and therefore more warming!

I just ran across this documentary in a discussion about chemtrails/contrails on Facebook. The first impression I got from it was "Oh, more BBC disinformation setting up two sides of an argument as opposing (global warming/global dimming) similar to Joe and Henry's discussion in the podcasts about how the media sets up two "opposing" arguments which aren't opposing at all, but are used to limit the discussion to pre-set limits (Should AG Gonzales be removed from office or allowed to stay when the real discussion should be "Should AG Gonzales be imprisoned for life or executed for treason?")
 
I think I remember that documentary from that epoch. It reminds me of one study of the Earth albedo variations (the tendency of the Earth to reflect more or less sun light because of more or less cloud cover) that seemed to fit solar activity. The study was unfortunately not published. My guess is that the reason was because the result was contrary to the man made global warming dogma at that time (no natural variability allowed). Now that more scientists consider the solar and even the galactic influence (through cosmic rays) on climate, their auto-censuring looks laughable today.
 
mkrnhr said:
I think I remember that documentary from that epoch. It reminds me of one study of the Earth albedo variations (the tendency of the Earth to reflect more or less sun light because of more or less cloud cover) that seemed to fit solar activity. The study was unfortunately not published. My guess is that the reason was because the result was contrary to the man made global warming dogma at that time (no natural variability allowed). Now that more scientists consider the solar and even the galactic influence (through cosmic rays) on climate, their auto-censuring looks laughable today.

Notice that somehow, by some really bizarre logic, they link "global dimming" to "global warming"!!!
 
Hello everyone,
Interesting subject here. I hope this post isn't too long and contributes to the conversation. First, some background info.. I should say that I am not a scientist or meteorologist.....not collage educated either. I am one of those sensitive types...which includes a keen awareness of my environment. Though I cannot claim to be fully awake...my past and current occupations and hobby's have trained me to have a relatively high level of attention and focus.

My true love is making music(guitar/sing) and my occupation as a craftsman requires me to work with dangerous machine tools...so, keeping my digits attached to my body is of the utmost importance. I also love riding my motorcycle, but living in the NE US makes this a very dangerous activity.

I'm aware I may be an "adrenaline junkie" ...but riding does put me in a state of non-anticipating, but ready for anything awareness...for me it completely shuts up the "mind chatter"and "blows out the cobwebs". I have considered giving this up, because the attention span and driving skills of most people seems to be rapidly deteriorating in this part of the world....and though I have 40yrs of riding exp with no injury accidents, ( BIG knock on wood here!) in recent years I've had too many close calls that no amount of riding skill could negate..like getting run down while waiting at a stop sign( 2 REALLY close calls in last 3 yrs)

( I have noticed that a hour or two after EE, I have a very similar clean calm feeling, as a good, long, twisty back-road ride gives.)

Sorry about the diversion, but I wanted to provide some credentials to the fact that I DO pay close attention to reality, left and right.

Back to the point of this post. I acquired a digital camera in 08. I am blessed to work at home..and am one of those annoying "morning people"...almost always up before dawn. I love what photographers call the "golden hour",and often stand outside with my coffee and watch the stars fade, and the sky change from azure to all the beautiful colors. Some days the color is only there for a matter of minutes...but it never fails to fill my heart with joy..its one of the true free gifts of this wonderful/terrible 3D existence. ( it also saddens me to think of all the folk that miss, or don't care about this joyful prelude to the day)

Anyway...I started to photograph and capture the good ones, and once I got over the ingrained habit of "saving film" , i amassed a huge amount of sunrise, and sunset shots.

Please note; the following is my observations...and little of my own uneducated speculation...which I'm more than willing to be corrected on if anyone here knows more...

In 2008, and maybe half of 2009, the color and its concentration to the east or west, was pretty consistent. Though i don't have photographic evidence before that time, there did seem to be more days with good deep color, than there was in previous years, which i think can be attributed to lower atmospheric dust loading...like the period after volcanic events that "paint the sky". Here's two pics of "normal" nice predawn sky.

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The changes, as 2009 progressed, were essentially exactly like what was being talked about here....not sure exactly where I read it but there were references to a thinning and "opening up" of the planet , including the atmosphere.

What I observed was a noticeable decline in good, colorful sunrise days. When there was color, it was more "washed", and pastel.
I also observed a sharp increase of what I call a "backward sunrise/sunset"...in which I mean that when the sun rises or sets, there is color on cloud reflections all the way to the opposite horizon.

My speculation here is;(and if anyone here understands this better,again, please correct me) that the lower dust was moving up, and/or we are getting more dust and charged particulates from outer space, and possibly an increase in distance between the surface of the earth, and the edge of the upper atmosphere.

Early in 2010 I witnessed another phenomenon that I had NEVER seen before, which was this "beaming" effect. (my term)kinda freaky IMO.

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If you look at the second of the first two photos...that is how the first peek of the sun always looked in general, before late 2009/2010.
( at times there was the "ray effect", but that was due to thick cloud cover with holes) ...so...what I am most curious about is, if anyone here can direct me to info. or help me better understand the way that light and atmospheric density interacts, and is this the early indications of the approaching Wave?

Also, I feel these "baffled scientists " might have it backwards..(remember sts is scientists last name!)..because I also noticed that when I sit out back my shop for a break in the early afternoon, that certain days the suns intensity was higher that I ever noticed in the past.....and I do spend a lot of time outdoors. It felt like I could have got a sun burn on my big bald head in a matter of minutes, and caused me to go back in and get a hat...just to smoke a butt! I may be wrong here, as it could have been an ozone hole letting through more UV.

I once tried to tell some friends about what I was seeing...and I got that "look"you get when you forget external considering and try to share something that doesn't fit their awareness.

Sorry about the length of this post...but I'm just trying to understand what I'm seeing. Thanks for listening.
Dave

PS: Many thanks to Laura and everyone here for your dedication to truth and hard work...it has helped me in SO many ways.



*Mods note* Fixed images for you!
 

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Dear Mods ...my photos weren't inserted between parts of the text like I wanted...I have very little experience with these things..maybe you can direct me to where I can learn to edit it properly ...and/or if its really easy for you to fix it, just do that.....if you read the text I think you'll see where I wanted to put each pair. Sorry about that, I really need to get up to speed on this posting business...( old dog/new tricks syndrome) Thanks, Dave
 
Dave, I don't quite know how to fix the images either since there is something fancy going on there, but the second set with the "beam" is called a "sun pillar". I photographed the only one I ever saw in 2003 in Gascony. You can read about them here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_pillar

I've got quite a collection of sky images, sunrise and sunset, and put a bunch of them in an album on my Facebook page.
 
beherenow said:
Dear Mods ...my photos weren't inserted between parts of the text like I wanted...I have very little experience with these things..maybe you can direct me to where I can learn to edit it properly ...and/or if its really easy for you to fix it, just do that.....if you read the text I think you'll see where I wanted to put each pair. Sorry about that, I really need to get up to speed on this posting business...( old dog/new tricks syndrome) Thanks, Dave

Hi Dave,

since these are attachments, then the pics/files are automatically put at the end of a posting. Unfortunately you cannot edit your postings at this moment (you would need 50 doing so), so I would have recommended that you refer to the filename of a picture in your posting like: see pic XYZ etc.

Hope this helps.
 
Laura said:
Notice that somehow, by some really bizarre logic, they link "global dimming" to "global warming"!!!

Yes, and it's not sure if they do it on purpose. There is a clear cognitive dissonance in this subject. I've read many papers were the authors describe something, just to conclude on the total opposite. Sometimes the reader doubts itself, and reading those twisted texts is draining.
 
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