(Barbara Marciniak) The Pleiadians, Sedona Seminar 2015

[luc]

Thanks SAO and others for the summaries. Very interesting stuff!

I think a lot of what has been said by the P's here is quite close to the C's, as far as I understand, but then I read it with a "C's background" - not sure how some of the new agers will understand it... Speaking of New Age, the love'n'light-bashing really was hilarious! Seems the P's know some of their "target audience" and are extremely straight-forward here!

As we know though, specific predictions (with dates) are problematic at best, and there are many here...

This I thought problematic as well:

A: You're being given a warning. Stay away. When you start publishing or launching things, you draw attention to yourself. Internet won't be around for a long time anyway. Very vulnerable to hacking, and also shows the very dark side of humanity. It's an avenue for some real low lifers. We see the whole thing going down by 2025. The brownouts on the internet will grow greater starting this year due to hacking, artificial intelligence, even ET's get into this system. It's a vulnerable system, and an experiment in human consciousness.

The truths that need to be recognized are all around. Just know and find some friends that you can share these ideas with and keep it low on the typing on email. You don't want your big revelations on the computers. Write a letter. Phone calls are still monitored.. once you realized how surveilled you are you will save your most important discussions for in-person.

Yes, the internet is extremely fragile, and I think the idea that it's a "window" and an "experiment in human consciousness" is quite apt. Also, it's good advice to keep some data private in today's tech world. However, it sounds a bit like we should put our heads in the sand and refrain from using the internet because of "hacking" and "drawing attention to ourselves"? Doesn't this contradict what they said later:

A: Sound is very balancing to both hemispheres of the brain - can bring about integration, very important. Don't give in to fear - it's ok to feel frightened, but don't dwell there. Don't live in fear, it makes an uncomfortable cape. It's a motivator to do something, but if you don't know what to do, drop an anchor and aura-up.

? I don't know, it sounds like an excuse to not spread the truth (while maintaining strategic enclosure of course) and flee to a "private life in peace and harmony" - this is actually what happened during the Nazi time in Germany according to Sebastian Haffner: When it all began, people concentrated on their private lives and thought they could "shut out" what happened around them... I think what the P's said here can be easily misunderstood.

Thanks again for sharing!

 

[SummerLite]

I thank you also Sao and Lilies for taking the time to share all this with us, I'll listen to it. Bringers of the Dawn had a important influence on me way back when it first came out.

The part about the internet going away is troubling. Had me thinking about my books on kindle . That's my first thought, lol! But I believe they said we'll have it until 2025(?) so that's comforting a bit. Comforting...haha! The new age l&l is taking a lot of hits these days it seems. I'm having a bit of friction with some l&l friends right now. One is projecting a cloak of darkness on me. Well, its their choice what they choose to think, doesn't really have anything to do with me. A good opportunity for external considering.

 

[loreta]

I thank you also Sao and Lilies for taking the time to share all this with us, I'll listen to it. Bringers of the Dawn had a important influence on me way back when it first came out.

The part about the internet going away is troubling. Had me thinking about my books on kindle . That's my first thought, lol! But I believe they said we'll have it until 2025(?) so that's comforting a bit. Comforting...haha! The new age l&l is taking a lot of hits these days it seems. I'm having a bit of friction with some l&l friends right now. One is projecting a cloak of darkness on me. Well, its their choice what they choose to think, doesn't really have anything to do with me. A good opportunity for external considering.

I SummerLite, my thought also. Maybe the solution is keeping the ebooks in a program, in the computer that you can have access without a connection to Internet. I think, I hope I am right! that keeping the books in that way you can have access to them without connection! I hope... because in my situation almost all my important books are via my Kindle, also. What do you think?

 

[Seaniebawn]

I thank you also Sao and Lilies for taking the time to share all this with us, I'll listen to it. Bringers of the Dawn had a important influence on me way back when it first came out.

The part about the internet going away is troubling. Had me thinking about my books on kindle . That's my first thought, lol! But I believe they said we'll have it until 2025(?) so that's comforting a bit. Comforting...haha! The new age l&l is taking a lot of hits these days it seems. I'm having a bit of friction with some l&l friends right now. One is projecting a cloak of darkness on me. Well, its their choice what they choose to think, doesn't really have anything to do with me. A good opportunity for external considering.

I SummerLite, my thought also. Maybe the solution is keeping the ebooks in a program, in the computer that you can have access without a connection to Internet. I think, I hope I am right! that keeping the books in that way you can have access to them without connection! I hope... because in my situation almost all my important books are via my Kindle, also. What do you think?

I was thinking this also as I'm in the same boat, the thing is though the internet is designed to be fault tolerant, so if a node goes down or is unreachable the traffic can be routed around the fault, the only way i can see that major problem is either the main backbones goes or complete failure of the electricity grid, or natural disaster, and to be honest most PC's today are pretty much worthless without the internet even offline storage can be problematic, as they tend to break down after a while, fwiw

 

[Eboard10]

I was thinking this also as I'm in the same boat, the thing is though the internet is designed to be fault tolerant, so if a node goes down or is unreachable the traffic can be routed around the fault, the only way i can see that major problem is either the main backbones goes or complete failure of the electricity grid, or natural disaster, and to be honest most PC's today are pretty much worthless without the internet even offline storage can be problematic, as they tend to break down after a while, fwiw

Yes, I took a cautious stance when reading her comment about the whole internet going down. While that is of course possible, for it to occur the whole electric grid would probably have to go down, by the time which we will have much bigger problems to face than no internet. Yet, it is also true that our society is becoming so connected and dependent on the network that if such an event were to occur, the economy might not recover from it.

 

[Seaniebawn]

I was thinking this also as I'm in the same boat, the thing is though the internet is designed to be fault tolerant, so if a node goes down or is unreachable the traffic can be routed around the fault, the only way i can see that major problem is either the main backbones goes or complete failure of the electricity grid, or natural disaster, and to be honest most PC's today are pretty much worthless without the internet even offline storage can be problematic, as they tend to break down after a while, fwiw

Yes, I took a cautious stance when reading her comment about the whole internet going down. While that is of course possible, for it to occur the whole electric grid would probably have to go down, by the time which we will have much bigger problems to face than no internet. Yet, it is also true that our society is becoming so connected and dependent on the network that if such an event were to occur, the economy might not recover from it.

Yeah that's the way I see it, I don't think the PTB can just take it away, for the very simple reasons 90+ business require some type of data network to be operational at this stage, so for it to go I'd imagine it would have to be a huge disaster and like you said no internet would be the least of our worries, but at the same time since most of my books are in e-format, I really would feel a loss if it was to go.

 

[loreta]

I was thinking this also as I'm in the same boat, the thing is though the internet is designed to be fault tolerant, so if a node goes down or is unreachable the traffic can be routed around the fault, the only way i can see that major problem is either the main backbones goes or complete failure of the electricity grid, or natural disaster, and to be honest most PC's today are pretty much worthless without the internet even offline storage can be problematic, as they tend to break down after a while, fwiw

Yes, I took a cautious stance when reading her comment about the whole internet going down. While that is of course possible, for it to occur the whole electric grid would probably have to go down, by the time which we will have much bigger problems to face than no internet. Yet, it is also true that our society is becoming so connected and dependent on the network that if such an event were to occur, the economy might not recover from it.

I can not imagine my society without Internet. Everything is connected. So maybe this will not stop. But if it crash... myself without Internet will be very hysterical, and I am a relatively sane person. ;) Hysterical 100% I can assure you because our pay is there thanks to Internet. So imagine all the addicts to their mobiles, you know who I mean, the young for example, that live with their mobiles 24 hours a day, imagine what will happen if they can not anymore to be connected! A revolution of crazy people on the streets.

But everything is connected, as we know, so if that happens I pray god to come to help us. And I don't believe necessary in god... When I think about it I see a nightmare in my mind.

 

[Seaniebawn]

I was thinking this also as I'm in the same boat, the thing is though the internet is designed to be fault tolerant, so if a node goes down or is unreachable the traffic can be routed around the fault, the only way i can see that major problem is either the main backbones goes or complete failure of the electricity grid, or natural disaster, and to be honest most PC's today are pretty much worthless without the internet even offline storage can be problematic, as they tend to break down after a while, fwiw

Yes, I took a cautious stance when reading her comment about the whole internet going down. While that is of course possible, for it to occur the whole electric grid would probably have to go down, by the time which we will have much bigger problems to face than no internet. Yet, it is also true that our society is becoming so connected and dependent on the network that if such an event were to occur, the economy might not recover from it.

I can not imagine my society without Internet. Everything is connected. So maybe this will not stop. But if it crash... myself without Internet will be very hysterical, and I am a relatively sane person. ;) Hysterical 100% I can assure you because our pay is there thanks to Internet. So imagine all the addicts to their mobiles, you know who I mean, the young for example, that live with their mobiles 24 hours a day, imagine what will happen if they can not anymore to be connected! A revolution of crazy people on the streets.

But everything is connected, as we know, so if that happens I pray god to come to help us. And I don't believe necessary in god... When I think about it I see a nightmare in my mind.

Me too , but I've gone without the internet for quite a while when I was living abroad, and that just pushed me to go to bookstores, but then again by the time I was leaving I simply couldn't bring the book's with me as I had so many, broke my heart to leave them all behind I only could take a few :(, but I think that the crux of the matter, it's the loss of information, probably a bit like the dark ages, I think the Druids and the bards had the right Idea you go through a 30 year process of learning and then you become the hard drive

 

[Siberia]

I was thinking this also as I'm in the same boat, the thing is though the internet is designed to be fault tolerant, so if a node goes down or is unreachable the traffic can be routed around the fault, the only way i can see that major problem is either the main backbones goes or complete failure of the electricity grid, or natural disaster, and to be honest most PC's today are pretty much worthless without the internet even offline storage can be problematic, as they tend to break down after a while, fwiw

Yes, I took a cautious stance when reading her comment about the whole internet going down. While that is of course possible, for it to occur the whole electric grid would probably have to go down, by the time which we will have much bigger problems to face than no internet. Yet, it is also true that our society is becoming so connected and dependent on the network that if such an event were to occur, the economy might not recover from it.

I can not imagine my society without Internet. Everything is connected. So maybe this will not stop. But if it crash... myself without Internet will be very hysterical, and I am a relatively sane person. ;) Hysterical 100% I can assure you because our pay is there thanks to Internet. So imagine all the addicts to their mobiles, you know who I mean, the young for example, that live with their mobiles 24 hours a day, imagine what will happen if they can not anymore to be connected! A revolution of crazy people on the streets.

But everything is connected, as we know, so if that happens I pray god to come to help us. And I don't believe necessary in god... When I think about it I see a nightmare in my mind.

Me too , but I've gone without the internet for quite a while when I was living abroad, and that just pushed me to go to bookstores, but then again by the time I was leaving I simply couldn't bring the book's with me as I had so many, broke my heart to leave them all behind I only could take a few :(, but I think that the crux of the matter, it's the loss of information, probably a bit like the dark ages, I think the Druids and the bards had the right Idea you go through a 30 year process of learning and then you become the hard drive

This reminds me of the C's session:

Q: How many persons on the planet contain these 'convergant' bloodlines?

A: 7367. Kites were used for cross communication between bloodline members.

Q: Kites?! What do kites have to do with it? What the heck... you guys are driving me NUTS! Do you mean kites as in paper and string or kites as in the bird?

A: Yes, paper wood and string.

Q: (C) Like smoke signals? (L) Well, how is flying a kite... (C) Well, if it has a certain symbol on it...

A: And shape.

Q: What shape is that?

A: No, not now.

Q: (C) Well, maybe the shape of a cleft chin? [Laughter] (L) Fair skin, cleft chin... (C) Yeah, and how did they communicate when it was raining? (L) Yeah, and at night? Did they set them on fire? Kites. This is obviously something that... (C) This is implying that such people know they have the bloodline and keep in touch with each other? (L) Or, is this something for the future when those of the bloodline wake up?

A: Yes.

Q: All of the above? Or just the last part?

A: Latter.

Q: So, we need to go fly a kite... (C) With a particular shape and symbol...

A: Research kites.

Q: (C) The Japanese fly kites... and there are a lot of people who hang banners outside their houses all the time...

A: Want revelations? Prepare for "Treasure" Hunt.

Q: Thanks a lot!

A: These quests energize you, Laura!

Q: Yes, they do. When I start finding things that connect, it is like having little explosions of energy in the brain... (A) Well, I don't understand these kites. They don't fly by themselves, they are on a string. You cannot see them at great distances... only a few miles... what is the point of communicating this way with someone who is only a few miles away?

A: Kites can be released, or left behind too!

Q: (A) When you release a kite, it falls down! Well, maybe we ought to wait and see where this clue goes before we get stuck on the technical aspects. Maybe it is just sort of a marker... We don't know if it will relate to a literal kite, or a reference to a kite, a drawing of a kite... a carving... something will appear that will connect, I am sure. It always does.

Might be a good time to learn how to fly a kite? :)

 

[SummerLite]

Hey Loreta, I have no idea if the books can be saved in that manner. There might be more ways to use the kindle then I'm aware of and I only use the basics.. For instance one problem I have with it, is I cant share my books with others.

So we can only speculate what no internet could mean. The "problem" with it for PTB is that information can't be controlled like they want, I suspect and requires so much effort to deal with. So maybe what would go away are more the news, informative sources. "They" don't want the economic advantage to be gone which is so important as was mentioned. So our little kindles may still be around. who knows.

But of course the grid could be gone, then other things are more important of course. I try to buy actual books that I consider important for me and others over the long run. But its more expensive which is the problem. In some cases maybe we just need to be satisfied with what we've already learned from our kindle books, they may not always be around to reread. The used books on amazon can be a great savings but not all are available with that. I've held off on the Knosis vols. and Secret History for the expense reason but these are ones I'd like to have the actual books.

I'm pleasantly surprised that others thought of this as well. :)

 

[Seaniebawn]

Hey Loreta, I have no idea if the books can be saved in that manner. There might be more ways to use the kindle then I'm aware of and I only use the basics.. For instance one problem I have with it, is I cant share my books with others.

So we can only speculate what no internet could mean. The "problem" with it for PTB is that information can't be controlled like they want, I suspect and requires so much effort to deal with. So maybe what would go away are more the news, informative sources. "They" don't want the economic advantage to be gone which is so important as was mentioned. So our little kindles may still be around. who knows.

But of course the grid could be gone, then other things are more important of course. I try to buy actual books that I consider important for me and others over the long run. But its more expensive which is the problem. In some cases maybe we just need to be satisfied with what we've already learned from our kindle books, they may not always be around to reread. The used books on amazon can be a great savings but not all are available with that. I've held off on the Knosis vols. and Secret History for the expense reason but these are ones I'd like to have the actual books.

I'm pleasantly surprised that others thought of this as well. :)

Well, in regards to sharing, I have a kindle account that I share with my friends, so we can buy books together so it's not that bad while it lasts, and pdf can be emailed,

"They" don't want the economic advantage to be gone which is so important as was mentioned. So our little kindles may still be around. who knows.

that's part of it alright and I think that's why they can't just get rid of it, but with the C's and P's saying that it's not going to last for ever, and considering how crazy the environment is at the moment it's probably more likely that it's going to go regardless what the reasons are, Siberia made a good point also, maybe it will be good to learn to fly kite so you know your own :)

 

[Jacques]

Thanks SAO for taking the time to condense that, and Eboard10 for filling in some details. Quite interesting.

Ditto.

 

[WIN 52]

? I don't know, it sounds like an excuse to not spread the truth (while maintaining strategic enclosure of course) and flee to a "private life in peace and harmony" - this is actually what happened during the Nazi time in Germany according to Sebastian Haffner: When it all began, people concentrated on their private lives and thought they could "shut out" what happened around them... I think what the P's said here can be easily misunderstood.

Thanks again for sharing!

Possibly it was more like, "What if they come for me next? I had better keep my mouth shut and my eyes on the ground! " You know, kind of like self preservation mode.

 

[whitecoast]

that's part of it alright and I think that's why they can't just get rid of it, but with the C's and P's saying that it's not going to last for ever, and considering how crazy the environment is at the moment it's probably more likely that it's going to go regardless what the reasons are, Siberia made a good point also, maybe it will be good to learn to fly kite so you know your own :)

I know that Mark Zukerberg and other rich tech and other companies are working on a project called Internet.org. I think it's basically a slimmed down version of the Internet, containing only major content providers and site services (like Facebook, Amazon, Wikipedia, etc. Eventually I think the plan is to get ISPs to provide access only to those core services (under the pretext of it being more secure) and thereby exclude smaller and more marginal websites. That would keep the average person from rebelling too hard, but the Internet as the free and open platform we know it may be shut down.

Wiki sez:

Internet.org is a partnership between social networking services company Facebook and six companies (Samsung, Ericsson, MediaTek, Opera Software, Nokia and Qualcomm) that plans to bring affordable access to selected Internet services to less developed countries by increasing efficiency, and facilitating the development of new business models around the provision of Internet access.[1][2]

It has been criticized for violating net neutrality and favoring Facebook's own services over its rivals.[3] An Indian journalist, in his reply to Mark Zuckerberg's article defending Internet.org in India, criticized Internet.org as "being just a Facebook proxy targeting India's poor" as it provides restricted Internet access to Reliance Telecom's subscribers in India.[4] Until April 2015, Internet.org users could access (for free) only a few websites, and Facebook's role as gatekeeper in determining what websites were in that list was criticised for violating net neutrality. However, in early May 2015, Facebook announced that the Internet.org Platform would be opened to websites that met its criteria.[5]

 

[redstar]

I was thinking this also as I'm in the same boat, the thing is though the internet is designed to be fault tolerant, so if a node goes down or is unreachable the traffic can be routed around the fault, the only way i can see that major problem is either the main backbones goes or complete failure of the electricity grid, or natural disaster, and to be honest most PC's today are pretty much worthless without the internet even offline storage can be problematic, as they tend to break down after a while, fwiw

Yes, I took a cautious stance when reading her comment about the whole internet going down. While that is of course possible, for it to occur the whole electric grid would probably have to go down, by the time which we will have much bigger problems to face than no internet. Yet, it is also true that our society is becoming so connected and dependent on the network that if such an event were to occur, the economy might not recover from it.

Yeah that's the way I see it, I don't think the PTB can just take it away, for the very simple reasons 90+ business require some type of data network to be operational at this stage, so for it to go I'd imagine it would have to be a huge disaster and like you said no internet would be the least of our worries, but at the same time since most of my books are in e-format, I really would feel a loss if it was to go.

The true PTB don't care 90%+ business, they care to retain control and fulfill their plans. Anything that is necessary to sacrifice it will be sacrificed, after all, they are trying to build a "new system" or a "new world".

Imagine for a moment that a very big war start between the major world powers... How much time would elapse before the Internet was cut off? That would be a very logical measure in order to prevent hacking attempts from the enemy. After the war, the Internet could continued disconnected or each country could maintain its own version or its own isolated national network... that scheme would facilitate the control over the news and the information.

Maybe all the debate about Net Neutrality in these last years is an early attempt to test the public reaction when confronted with the idea of a much more limited version of the Internet.

All that is needed is a major and important excuse and the PTB will do it.

And, it is not only the flux of information the Internet facilitates, it is the very concept of money, government services and cooperation between people too.

Think about Bitcoin. There are a lot of people who think this is a cover operation of the PTB to end with cash and to create a One World Currency. I think this is not the case because Bitcoin deprives the World Bank System of the capacity of create the money and control its national and international flux. It is logical to think they are not willingness to lose one of their major weapons creating a bank-killer-technology out of their control.

And it is not only Bitcoin, it is the technology and algorithms under the Bitcoin block chain which could suppose a major treat to the governments, because contracts, shares, proofs of ownership, etc, people are starting to implement these things right now using this technology. This could create a free and open competitor to the government services, and this could lead people to think the government is not necessary because people's collaboration through technology could create a superior system.

How much time would elapse before a true horizontal and democratic system of decisionmaking would be created using software? Something that would allow people to create a world government without politics and leaders, easy to use like a strategy simulation software, like a social network of governance... and if that happens, how much time would elapse before people understand that money is not necessary any longer because the machines can perform the majority of the labors, so production of goods and food would be assured? That would be the end of the capitalism.

That is a major treat for the PTB and, I'm sure they are not stupid and they have thought about this danger.

The capitalism is doomed too, because the automation leads to job destruction (machines don't have salaries, and reduce costs), so people are being replaced by machines. This started at the industrial revolution in the 18th century. In the last years of the 19th century, there were mass migrations from the country to the cities because the primary sector of the economy was heavily automated, so, where once was necessary 40 people to work in a crop since these years it was needed only 1 person to operate a tractor or a reaping machine. Then the secondary sector of the economy was heavily automated, so it was needed to create an explosion of cultural expressions (the postmodernism) and to diversify the tertiary and quaternary sectors of the economy (mainly the entertainment) in order to absorb the growing unemployment and retain the social control. But the work in these sectors is being automated too, the more years elapse, the more automated is, so it is near impossible to maintain the capitalism forever because there are no enough areas of innovation or investigation to give tasks or jobs to the masses. The scientific and high qualified areas are exceptions, but normal people do not have the needed skills. Maybe if our civilization were "space opera" capable right now, to start a space colonization program, this could be solved, but it is not the case for now.

This is, I think, the main reason the PTB want a reduction of population. They are afraid of the unemployed masses fighting against them to seize the technology and industries in order to be released of the doctrine of the "sweat of one's brow".

So the PTB don't need all these useless mouths, they can reduce population enough to have a scientific and technical social stratum below them which would guarantee the production of food, goods, and the improvement of the technology.

That is the reason I think Internet is a very true danger for the PTB.