BBC Speechless, Trader Tells Truth, Collapse Coming..Question(s)

[stellar]

. Thus it is incredibly sad when people don't have a family where they are safe from the horrors of the world outside.

Life is to be lived. Communal celebration of any occasion is a time for joy, a time to drop your load at the door and share in song, drink, food and dance. Cherish those moments as much as you can. They don't happen enough, in my mind.
Gonzo

Speaking for myself, I find no safety in my family when it comes to the question of saving my soul. They are there to make me Work and learn and practice external consideration, which is sooo hard at times I tell ya.

I also find it hard to celebrate with people who are so deeply asleep. Ever tried having a conversation with someone who is talking in their sleep? It just don't make sense in the end. :( But life goes on and I have to forge on... :) Keep learning.

 

[Gonzo]

Family is to be cherished wherever and whenever possible. I find some times, when family is ignorant of the horrors I've discovered, they afford me a buffer or an escape from the terrifying reality outside. They provide sanctuary. Thus it is incredibly sad when people don't have a family where they are safe from the horrors of the world outside.

It sounds like you use your family to escape into illusion?

I don't think that is what was meant. I understood it completely because we, here, often "escape" into our family (extended family). We have birthdays and we watch TV shows together to unwind. We deliberately take our attention away from the horror we face every day and turn it toward enjoying each other's company. We are easily amused because very simple things bring pleasure and we have learned to appreciate these small things because we know how fleeting they may be.

Precisely. We don't always have to focus on the horrors. That's no more living than focussing strictly on the beauty. Perhaps I shouldn't have used the term escape. Balance would have been more appropriate.

Gonzo

 

[dannybananny]

Why does inner or outer struggle have to be violent, struggle can come through constraint, through trying to understand another.. Through awareness/knowledge and external consideration I think violence can be avoided for the most part. In my opinion, there can be no peace through war, the two are opposed, surely you can beat your opponent to submission but sooner or later, the tables will turn.

I think you misunderstood me here, I didn't say it has to be violent, probably you connected word war that I used as a term for self-work, fight against your ego, with the violence. But sometimes violence can't be avoided no matter how much you try because maybe the other side just loves violence and hurting others(there can be no peace with psychopath, you can run but not always you'll be able to escape), there's no way then use force.

I remember one quote from one Green Lantern episode I watched: "Evil" can be only fought by the only language it understands - force. I mean that in microcosmic and macro cosmic sense, and I wasn't saying that you have to attack someone, I was just talking about defending yourself, your family, community, civilization, planet, etc...

On microcosmic level you have psychopath who can't be dealt in other way then by force if they don't comply, on macro cosmic level you have STS Empires that conquer other planets. You can run, for a while, but in the end they can catch you or better to say, can you forgive yourself after that for not standing up, can you look into your soul and see the truth after that, will you run forever, will the conquerors ever stop or will they be encouraged to proceed if all are running, gonzo said it right when you think about it. Of course there you should use wisdom and if there is a chance for later success if you run know it's wise thing to do, Sun Tzu said: Those who know when to fight or when to not, will be victorious, but if there's no escape better to die defending then running,. If STO doesn't stand and fight there wouldn't be balance.

But I think that they aren't attacked if they have collective mind, collective consciousness because RA said that "Crusaders" attack those civilizations that are less developed and don't have strict polarity, through divide they conquer, so the STO don't probably fight so often to defend themselves, only to help those of lesser polarity. Predatory behavior in action here - attacking the weakest link. And they probably seen themselves like spreading light, knowledge, etc... like did Romans and Brits in our history. Imagine that you live in Gallia(today's France) in 58 BC(if we take that date as accurate), you're a one member of free Gaul tribe, and there are Romans with Julius Cesar(probable psychopath) coming, they are well trained, well equipped, not so small in number. You know if they conquer your land they will kill all the old ones, that is your relatives, rape your wife and kill her in the end, and make your children in little Romans, or make them slaves. Would you fight? Know that escaping was not an option, not so much because they didn't have to go nowhere but because it was the matter of honor for them. Here is a short video about "Barbarian" perspective that is different from history books that favor roman perspective: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkONsBxHQbA&feature=related
I always admired great warriors through history that stood their ground for freedom and were ready to give their lives.

When does violence stop? Who determines when it stops? My point is, if you become violent upon another, you don't know what you are releasing, a victory here might unleash a great loss somewhere else, maybe a great distance in the future, or in another aspect that is immediately veiled from you.

Both sides determine when it stops, either by subduing one side or by mutual agreement, which cannot be trusted. Like you said victory here, loss there - it's all about a balance which is achieved in that way. But remember that I'm talking here about STO vs.STS not STS vs.STS, because that's only fight for power. Don't forget Jing-Jang symbol, in good there is little evil which is used for the greater good. I don't want to kill no body but let I ask what if you go to 4D what you'll gone do there to those lizzies and others ,and they won't really be nice when you got there?

There is a lot of darkness on this planet, but there is also some beauty to be found, perhaps in your family, the trees, the sunny day, the lessons you learn or something else. If you focus too much on the darkness, you might forget the beauty in life, and maybe those around you who care a lot about you.

It's hard for most people to think about beauty when life has kicked them in the face many times, but I agree that it's good to have in mind that there's a balance and that there's good somewhere, if you got obsessed you could become that what you fight against. It's good to have bigger picture always on mind.

I also know how difficult it can be to be the target in the family. Like Laura said, you have the perfect family to learn self mastery. Try to find a way to deepen your love for them while becoming impervious to whatever attacks come your way. This is no different that the reality of the world beyond your family's doorstep. We are charged with seeing the spark of divine creation in every human. We are asked to reflect creation's love of us to all of creation. This is part of life's work and you have a lifetime to master it.

Yes, in the end it's not them, it's their ego, maybe having in mind respect for highest in the people, not lowest, even when lowest is what they do.

I also find it hard to celebrate with people who are so deeply asleep.

Me to.

 

[Yozilla]

I think that is another interesting result of STS triumph of greed: all money they have collected seems to have NO value because there is no middle class. This means there is no profitable project they could invest in, since vast majority of massive buyers of the past (Western Middle Class) who could purchase new products or services are doom3ed :o to poverty. It is not only the money that seems to have no use but all other "True Value Assets" like gold, silver, gems - who really will give those for worthless banknotes. I am afraid what could be: gold for food, gems for potatoes.

 

[Avala]

I also find it hard to celebrate with people who are so deeply asleep.

Me to.

So, how you guys live on this planet then? Always in pure misery? Or you are among rare minority that have all awaken people around them?

That sound little bit selfish and misanthropic. Why not celebrate for them, and the reason for celebration could be not important at all? Why not using some small celebration to vent out your brains? Why not try to enjoy in little things and not always seeking for big things and big reasons (illusion of grandeur?).

Anyway, if someone wants to observe and learn, he/she can do that anywhere, even on celebrations with deeply asleep people. And not just in books, internet, closed rooms and "their circle of people".

On the end, how do you know that you are not deeply asleep too?

 

[luke wilson]

Hey dannybananny,

You make amazing points. Yes, I think I misunderstood you in the beginning about self-work.

With regard to physical violence, I have nothing more to say, to me the subject is way to complicated for me to comprehend.

I know the PTB promote violence though, the art, the literature, the stories are mostly about famous war heroes who gained glory through there prowess in the battlefield. Some are noble, fight for freedom against invading armies, some aren't so noble, fight for conquerers, the stories can get really complicated adding all the different subtleties of human situations and emotions etc. However, bottom line is this is one of the most dominant themes of our world, hell it is even constitutionalised in some countries, every man has the right to carry arms to defend himself and his property etc.

However, I also know to take everything they say with a huge pinch of salt, especially if it is something so heavily promulgated from time immemorial in a million different ways.

 

[ScioAgapeOmnis]

A great example of using force and waging war is Atreide's "The List" in the "Life Without Bread" thread. War must be waged internally in order to become able to BE and DO. And if you can't BE and DO yet, then you must find a weapon that bypasses your mechanical self until you can grow a fully conscious one. SOTT wages war on lies by telling the truth, brutally, and without blinking. Outward violence and oppression of others is only one type of conflict. But conflict in general is the only way change happens, there is no change without conflict, which is just another word for war, when it's a very determined and drastic/serious conflict. I think we shouldn't be afraid of the right kind of conflict for the right reasons in the right circumstances. Sometimes it means exposing a psychopath (again, when appropriate, and with knowledge of how/when to do it, etc), which to the psychopath is a declaration of war of the worst kind.

And as crazy as it may sound, the "good" kind of conflict isn't completely different in terms of strategy from the "bad" kind in a lot of cases. Don Juan spoke of "warriors", and whether we like it or not, the root of that word is War, because waging war is what warriors do - it's the details and specific situation that make one kind of war "bad" and another "good". It's the moment that we stop fighting, stop struggling, stop using creative/clever ways to "trick" our own predator into compliance with our higher self, even if it means a fulcrum and a "religion" that bypasses our confused/rational mind, that moment we have been defeated and we might as well curl up on a frying pan and add some salt, because we've just been added to the menu. And if you do curl up on a frying pan, at least sprinkle some aspartame on yourself!

 

[Hesper]

Looking at the history of life rationally, you discover that it is NOT all about humans and some mythical thing called "the sacredness of human life". Human beings are as likely to become extinct - a failed experiment - as any other species. Nowadays, more likely than ever.

So from what I currently understand, all material life is essentially a means to an end; or "life is lessons." So extinction then just becomes another face of entropy, and another lesson to be learned.

I'm currently immersed in college life right now, for the first time in my adult life. My major requires me to contribute more and more of my time to the community. And today I went to a community meeting for the first time, and I asked the group I was sitting with if they researched the topic that they were there to discuss. No one had. But then, later on, I was apart of a group that was being led by a man who was obviously very interested in learning, sharing, and increasing the knowledge base of others. It's kind of like the parable of the Samaritan:

Jesus answered, "A certain man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and he fell among robbers, who both stripped him and beat him, and departed, leaving him half dead. By chance a certain priest was going down that way. When he saw him, he passed by on the other side. In the same way a Levite also, when he came to the place, and saw him, passed by on the other side. But a certain Samaritan, as he traveled, came where he was. When he saw him, he was moved with compassion, came to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. He set him on his own animal, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him. On the next day, when he departed, he took out two denarii, and gave them to the host, and said to him, 'Take care of him. Whatever you spend beyond that, I will repay you when I return.' Now which of these three do you think seemed to be a neighbour to him who fell among the robbers?"

He said, "He who showed mercy on him."

Then Jesus said to him, "Go and do likewise."

I see a similar relationship between those who choose to learn about the world, as bruised and broken as it is, and those who just walk on by. Being a human is just a means to an end; to learn and choose. We don't need to be so afraid of extinction, because everything must come to an end, but we can still show mercy and love to those alive, and identify with the eternal within them, and within ourselves. Honestly, if awakening is ultimately an opening of the heart (and I'm making a big assumption based on what I know) then why be afraid to care? Of course things are relative, but I think you get where I'm going lol.

 

[luke wilson]

Thanks for your explanation on conflict SAO.

I am only pushing forward because of the first thought that came to my mind whilst reading you're post. I know STO is to big to contemplate, little steps and all, but am just going to put this out there.

A: No, in STS, which is your realm do not forget, one gives because of the pleasant sensation which results.
Q: Could it not be said that, if everything that exists is part of God, including the flesh, that if one gives to the flesh, without being attached to the giving, that it
could be considered a giving to the 'All?'
A: Explain the process.
Q: For example: there are some people who like to suffer, because they believe that the flesh is sinful. That is a big thing that the Lizzies have instituted. For centuries they have wanted people to suffer, and they have made this big deal about sex and anything that might be considered pleasant or desirable should be denied, and that a person should suffer, and revel in their suffering. And, actually, making a person...
A: If one seeks to suffer, they do so in expectation of future reward. They desire to possess something in the end.
Q: What I am saying is: if a person can simply BE, in the doing and being of who and what they are, in simplicity; to become involved in doing everything as a meditation, or as a consecration, whether they are walking down the street and being at one with the air, the sunshine, the birds and trees and other people; in this state of oneness, doesn't that constitute a giving to the universe as giving oneself up as a channel for the universe to experience all these things?
A: Not if one is "feeling this oneness."
Q: We are what we are. Nature is nature. Progression is progression. And if people would just relax and be who and what they are in honesty, and do what is according to their nature without violating the Free Will of others, that this is a more pure form of being than doing things out of any feeling of expectation, or desire; to just BE, not want... just BE?
A: Yes, but STS does not do that.
Q: (A) From which I draw conclusions: if there STS around us, we cannot just...
A: You are all STS. If you were not, you would not be where you are.
Q: (A) There are those who are happy in the STS mode; and there are those who are trying to get out of the STS mode...
A: STO candidate.
Q: (A) These STO candidates cannot just simply BE, even theoretically, because then, STS would eat them.
A: No.
Q: Why not?
A: STS does not eat according to protocol.
Q: What does that mean?
A: What do you suppose?
Q: I have no idea!
A: STS "eats" whatever it wants to, if it is able.
Q: That's what we said. If you are STO in an STS world, you are basically defenseless and they eat you.
A: No.
Q: Why? What makes STO unavailable or 'inedible?'
A: Frequency resonance not in sync.
Q: (A) But then, that would mean that all these people who are saying that we need just to love everything and everybody, are right. They just be, and love, don't do anything, just give everything to the Lizzies... they are right!
A: No, because motivation is STS.
Q: How is the motivation to love everything and everybody, and to just give, STS?
A: Feels good.
Q: So, they want to do it because it feels good?
A: Want is an STS concept.
Q: So, you seem to be suggesting that the real trick is to just become non-attached to anything and anybody, do nothing, and just dissolve into nothing? No thought, no want, no do, no be, no anything!
A: If you are STS, that does not fit, but, if you did exactly that, you would reincarnate in an STO realm, where such energy does fit.

Anyways, I know this is moving into abstract form... [Also I understand no one is non-attached to anything, people are attached to suffering, to security, to promises of glory, to whatever else, I dare say conflict(for arguments sake) etc so it is next to impossible to be human and non-attached, even the most depressed person is in that state because of attachment, OSIT]

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Q: (A) There are those who are happy in the STS mode; and there are those who are trying to get out of the STS mode...
A: STO candidate.
Q: (A) These STO candidates cannot just simply BE, even theoretically, because then, STS would eat them.
A: No.
Q: Why not?
A: STS does not eat according to protocol.

I take that to mean they don't just eat anyone and anything, only what is edible.

So it appears you don't have to be violent or engage in conflict with STS or play STS at there own game, If you can be an STO candidate that is...

Interms of wider conflict, I still stand against the whole warrior worship thing, simply because that is something that has been promulgated from time immemorial by the PTB and I don't trust them. My own personal view, is there is no glory in victim-making.

Anyways, so this is what I am putting down as my next point.

 

[Gwenllian]

I enjoy my family each and every moment of every day. We all know that the future is uncertain, but we aren't going to go and hide out somewhere. We continue to work on building our businesses, our relationships, our networks... we celebrate birthdays, play with our dogs, have an interest in our hair, what we wear - all the normal things of life because, as far as we KNOW, life goes on one way or the other and it's all about BEing yourself fully in any given moment.

I laughed and I cried at the same while reading this.

I have found that I enjoy my family more because of the sufferings I have known. The more I can feel pain and empathy, the deeper the sorrow, the deeper the joy. Just a cup of tea or reading a book in the garden, even if the message of the book is painful, makes me very happy.

I'm sitting here facing jail due to the machinations of a psychopathic world. Obviously, my lessons are different from yours and mastering myself in this situation is somewhat different than dealing with family life. But I guess it is exactly what I need for this next level of mastery...

Apparently.

But sometimes family life can be like a prison, if you do not know how to get out.

 

[stellar]

So, how you guys live on this planet then? Always in pure misery? Or you are among rare minority that have all awaken people around them?

That sound little bit selfish and misanthropic. Why not celebrate for them, and the reason for celebration could be not important at all? Why not using some small celebration to vent out your brains? Why not try to enjoy in little things and not always seeking for big things and big reasons (illusion of grandeur?).

Anyway, if someone wants to observe and learn, he/she can do that anywhere, even on celebrations with deeply asleep people. And not just in books, internet, closed rooms and "their circle of people".

On the end, how do you know that you are not deeply asleep too?

No AL, not in misery just in pain for those who do not/will not see or hear; especially my own family and now a newborn grandchild. If I were among 'all awaken people' around me then this pain would not be so great would it?
I'm not understanding your implications of selfishess and misanthropy.
I attend all celebrations if invited and wear a smile where it is appropriate. What I 'see' and 'hear' that pains me, I keep to myself because it is my perception not theirs.
It is also not clear to me why you asume (I) seek big things and reasons. Where is the assumption of illusion and grandeur indicated?
It is precisely the observing and learning in any familial event that breaks the illusions I previously had and it is hard to live with that every day. My love for them is no less but my consideration for their free will has grown significantly. Therein lies my joy and pain. The unconditional love I have for them and the pain of having to watch them learn their lessons, as I did, in some very hard ways.

 

[DGF]

When this hits I have a rough outline which substitutes for a plan as in my mind "the best laid plans of mice or men soon to go awry" or something like that. So I keep things fluid so to speak, I live in the country but close to the city. What was that the C's said about anticipation, so I live to see how it comes out, as the outcome seems of little doubt. My outline is simple survival, evade, and resist. What I'm getting at is prepare, but noone knows exactly how things are to manifest. AA has a saying let go and let God.