Beauty and Simplicity

[SeekinTruth]

The crux of the matter was stated, especially by transientP and Laura. Darkness always appears disguised as light. Evil misleads and deceives -- it disguises itself using many feel-good tools and lures including (superficial) beauty. So anything based purely on "feeling good" has the potential of causing lots of problems and painful lessons.

This is true even in mundane situations such as superficial beauty (the skin deep kind) of someone who is decidedly NOT beautiful on the inside. I'm sure many have experienced people who emanate a deep inner beauty, whether they are considered physically "beautiful" or not.

True Knowledge and Understanding (which depend on Being) would give us the ability to discern the true nature of everything and make choices based on knowledge and understanding. This level of Being, knowledge, and understanding would lead to True Love as the C's have said. To Love, you must Know. To Know and to Love would allow to see the True Beauty of the Cosmic Balance and Intelligence, which would have nothing to do with "feeling good" the way we understand it. It would be the ability to accept all as it is.

And it would only be possible at it's epitome for STO Beings and probably at the level of 6th Density. OSIT.

 

[cubbex]

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You already gave a well explanation. So it's up to Esote to acknowledge it, OSIT.

 

[Esote]

Thank you for your input Seekin Truth, it's very well said and right to the point.

If feeling good is not enough, yet sometimes it is the only way to choose the one path to follow.
The impulse toward beauty is, more often than not, an Ariana thread leading to freedom, a call for a wider life

What matters is that Truth is Knowledge is Love is Beauty, in an understanding far beyond our 3rd Density

And I just think that psychopaths can't perceive true beauty any more than they are not able to feel empathy

 

[Nienna]

If feeling good is not enough, yet sometimes it is the only way to choose the one path to follow.
The impulse toward beauty is, more often than not, an Ariana thread leading to freedom, a call for a wider life

I don't ever remember hearing of the (esoteric) path as feeling good as a way to choose this path. Maybe you are referring to another path?

One of two examples that Mouravieff uses to describe the Way, or path as it is also called, is this:

I see a great building, one enormous mass. In the front wall is a narrow arch with open doors; behind them, dark mists. In front of the high threshold there is a young girl… a pretty Russian girl.

A breeze comes from the dark and icy mists, a current of freezing air, bringing with it from the depths of the building the sound of a slow and muffled voice.

--‘You who aspire to cross this threshold, do you know what awaits you here?’
--‘I know,’ answers the young girl.
--‘Cold, hunger, hate, mockery, scorn, injustice, prison, illness and even death?’
--‘I know it.’
--‘Do you expect to be shunned by everyone? So you expect to be totally alone?’
--‘I am ready. I know it. I shall bear all the suffering and all the blows.’
--‘Even if they do not come from enemies, but from parents, from friends?’
--‘Yes.’
--‘An anonymous sacrifice? You will perish and nobody…but nobody will even know whose memory to honour?’
--‘I have no use for recognition and pity. I have no use for a name.’
--‘Are you ready for crfime?’
The young girl bowed her head.
--‘Even for crime.’
The voice which was questioning her did not continue right away. At last it started again:
--‘Do you know that one day you will believe no more in what you believe in now, and come to think that you have been a dupe and that it was for nothing that you have lost your young life?’
--‘That too I know. Well though I know it, I wish to enter.’
The young girl crossed the threshold. A heavy curtain fell.
Gritting her teeth, someone uttered behing her:
--‘A foolish girl!’
At which from another place, a voice replied:
--‘A saint!’

What I’m trying to relate is that the esoteric path, which is what I am thinking that you are talking about, is, a lot of the times, a dark and lonely path filled with not-so-nice “feelings”.

So I guess that I don’t understand how feeling good is the way to choose the one path to follow. Like I said, maybe the path you are referring to is not an esoteric path. If this is so, my apologies for the confusion.

 

[mada85]

If feeling good is not enough, yet sometimes it is the only way to choose the one path to follow.

It might be worth considering in relation to your quote above, that most if not all of our feelings are generated by automatic mechanical programs and releases of hormones in the body. Feeling 'good' comes about simply because something in either the external or our interior world agrees with our pre-programmed ideas.

Feeling good about a possible path may be the very reason not to choose it. Let's say you are confronted with two choices. On the one hand you can indulge in some activity that makes you feel 'good'; drinking or watching a movie, for example. On the other hand you can honestly reveal and discuss a difficult inner matter with the forum. The first makes you feel good, the second fills you with trepidation, yet for the seeker the second would be the most beneficial path and therefore the one to choose.

 

[Esote]

What I’m trying to relate is that the esoteric path, which is what I am thinking that you are talking about, is, a lot of the times, a dark and lonely path filled with not-so-nice “feelings”.

So I guess that I don’t understand how feeling good is the way to choose the one path to follow. Like I said, maybe the path you are referring to is not an esoteric path. If this is so, my apologies for the confusion.

That's very interesting.

Now, I didn't say that feeling good is the way but "sometimes it is the only way to choose the one path to follow"...

I may be wrong, but I can't trust that the esoteric path is only one of despair, fear and sorrow.
Unless everything showing love, beauty and whatever light you may tell, is but lure?

Knowledge allows to... know...

If feeling good is not enough, yet sometimes it is the only way to choose the one path to follow.

It might be worth considering in relation to your quote above, that most if not all of our feelings are generated by automatic mechanical programs and releases of hormones in the body. Feeling 'good' comes about simply because something in either the external or our interior world agrees with our pre-programmed ideas.

Feeling good about a possible path may be the very reason not to choose it. Let's say you are confronted with two choices. On the one hand you can indulge in some activity that makes you feel 'good'; drinking or watching a movie, for example. On the other hand you can honestly reveal and discuss a difficult inner matter with the forum. The first makes you feel good, the second fills you with trepidation, yet for the seeker the second would be the most beneficial path and therefore the one to choose.

Good point!
I do agree with you. Then, if feeling good about a possible path may be the very reason not to choose it, my point is that feeling bad may also be the very reason not to choose it...

My apologies for being only a "Padawan learner"

 

[MK Scarlett]

Rather more often than not, "feeling good" is the wide gate to Hell, so to say. And beauty is often the lure.

wow. beautifully put. :)

Indeed!

 

[mada85]

Then, if feeling good about a possible path may be the very reason not to choose it, my point is that feeling bad may also be the very reason not to choose it...

Actually, I should also have said:

It might be worth considering in relation to your quote above, that most if not all of our feelings are generated by automatic mechanical programs and releases of hormones in the body. Feeling 'bad' comes about simply because something in either the external or our interior world disagrees with our pre-programmed ideas.

How does one choose a path?

 

[Ðekel]

OK

Unless everything showing love, beauty and whatever light you may tell, is but lure?

in our dynamic reality, using the words "everything showing love" would be an attempt to over-simplify reality and place whole ideas under one label either "positive" or "negative".
this is extremist and dangerous.

a very important thing to keep in mind is that things and situations are not "good"/"bad" in themselves.
the context of choice and action is the key.

doing a specific action or making a specific choice in one situation, on say, the impulse of beauty, would be "right", whereas doing the exact same thing on the impulse of beauty, but in a different circumstance would be "wrong".
the only way to know when doing something is "right" or "wrong" is through knowledge and discernment.

you can listen to Laura making this point in this video about STO / STS --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TWAjBU9mz0
she makes the point i'm referring to at 1:47 in that video.

so there's nothing wrong with Beauty per se', or finding something beautiful.

put i do believe that the idea that beauty is a gauge or marker of progress is a dangerous one.
if taken too simply, one would no longer need discernment and this is definitely a fast road to travelling blind.

 

[Nienna]

What I’m trying to relate is that the esoteric path, which is what I am thinking that you are talking about, is, a lot of the times, a dark and lonely path filled with not-so-nice “feelings”.

So I guess that I don’t understand how feeling good is the way to choose the one path to follow. Like I said, maybe the path you are referring to is not an esoteric path. If this is so, my apologies for the confusion.

That's very interesting.

Now, I didn't say that feeling good is the way but "sometimes it is the only way to choose the one path to follow"...

I did not say it is the way. If you look at what I wrote, I pretty much quoted what you said above. However, I did use the words the Way in my post which is what Mouravieff uses to describe the esoteric path. Sorry for the confusion, I incorrectly thought that you would be familiar with that term.

I may be wrong, but I can't trust that the esoteric path is only one of despair, fear and sorrow.

That is not what I was trying to convey. What is being said by Mouravieff in his books is that the esoteric path is not one of feel good, warm and fuzzy type of feelings. Learning about ones programs can be quite a shock and it is very horrible to see some of the things that are true about oneself that that person has been blind to. A walk through the dark valley of the soul is a very apt term in some of these cases. But it is necessary, nonetheless if one truly wants to change oneself for the better and to begin to see things in an objective way.

Unless everything showing love, beauty and whatever light you may tell, is but lure?

No, not necessarily. The warm, fuzzy, feel-good feelings that you get, though can be a very big lure.

Knowledge allows to... know...

Wrong knowledge allows you to be led astray.

If feeling good is not enough, yet sometimes it is the only way to choose the one path to follow.

It might be worth considering in relation to your quote above, that most if not all of our feelings are generated by automatic mechanical programs and releases of hormones in the body. Feeling 'good' comes about simply because something in either the external or our interior world agrees with our pre-programmed ideas.

Feeling good about a possible path may be the very reason not to choose it. Let's say you are confronted with two choices. On the one hand you can indulge in some activity that makes you feel 'good'; drinking or watching a movie, for example. On the other hand you can honestly reveal and discuss a difficult inner matter with the forum. The first makes you feel good, the second fills you with trepidation, yet for the seeker the second would be the most beneficial path and therefore the one to choose.

Good point!
I do agree with you. Then, if feeling good about a possible path may be the very reason not to choose it, my point is that feeling bad may also be the very reason not to choose it...

We are not talking about feeling bad. But using discernment to make the correct decisions. If all you use is the fact that it "feels good", then you are not seeing things as they really are.

When all is said and done, however, everyone will choose the path that they need to be on to learn the lessons that they are ready to learn.


Edit=Fixed quote tag.

 

[Laura]

The Way is basically taking up your cross, bearing it under trials and tribulations, and getting crucified. Just understand that these are metaphors though the pain and suffering is very real. Read my signature.

 

[Esote]

Thank you all for your inputs, I appreciate how and what you share.

The pain and suffering is very real in this paradoxical world, no doubt.
We don't want to rely on our feelings to choose our path, that's wise.

The main reason for my post is not about feeling good or bad, it is about understanding that the call for true beauty is the same as the call for true knowledge.
And it's important to be able to get real clear on that matter IMO.

The Way is tough and the Work is too, we got to strongly be sincere in order to follow it and upgrade from our current 3D STS level.
And sometimes there is a glimpse of beauty, knowledge or love, like a flash from a lighthouse, that allows us to get back on our path.

The beauty of the gesture, even when everything is falling apart all around, when taking up your cross and being crucified, is a sign of true knowledge...

Let me give you my translation from an excerpt written by Romain Gary:
"I don't believe there may be ethics worthy of man that could be something else than assumed aesthetics of life, this up to the sacrifice of life itself"

 

[Maat]

For me, I will only talk of Beauty (with a caps B) for things like that

because it shows the perfectness (does this word really exists ?) of the universe and how it is grandiose, so far away from the little dust that I am but which is also includes in it.

Maybe it's that sort of Beauty you were refering to Esote, and not just I like or dislike this colour or whatsoever ?

 

[Esote]

Maybe it's that sort of Beauty you were refering to Esote, and not just I like or dislike this colour or whatsoever ?

Thank you for this "beautiful" picture Maat.

In that sense, the one I'm interested in, Beauty is a call toward Perfection.
As Knowledge is.
Not a machine-like perfection, but the totality of Being.

It doesn't mean that I dismiss the evil part, anyhow forcefully included.
so far, it's a subjective point of view, from where there is a choice in between assuming creative altruism or destructive selfishness...