Bombers may use 'pregnancy prosthetics'

[Bholanath]

Sorry, I'm about speechless on this one. What's your take/feeling after reading this? Can it get any weirder?

DHS: Bombers may use 'pregnancy prosthetics'
Posted on Monday, February 11, 2008 4:17 PM PT
Filed Under: Terrorism

By James Popkin, NBC News Senior Investigative
Correspondent

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security is reminding law-enforcement officials of the increased use of female suicide bombers worldwide, and warning that women terrorists might hide explosives in devices “that mimic the look of a pregnant woman.”

The unclassified DHS threat assessment, released Monday and obtained by NBC News, shows photographs of “pregnancy prosthetics,” hollowed-out devices that could hold explosive devices. The report says “female suicide bombers have used devices that make them appear pregnant to hide explosive devices.”

The DHS report states that terrorists are using female bombers more frequently, in part because these attacks generate “more widespread media exposure.” It adds: “Continued use of female suicide bombers-the most recent example being a 3 February 2008 attack at the main railway station in Colombo, Sri Lanka-indicates that terrorists judge this tactic as effective in increasing defenses and thwarting security measures.”

The report, marked “For Official Use Only,” is one of dozens of threat assessments issued jointly throughout the year by DHS and the FBI. The authors are quick to mention that there’s no immediate threat to the U.S.

“DHS and the FBI have no specific, credible intelligence indicating that terrorist organizations intend to utilize female suicide bombers against targets in the Homeland,” they write.

The report ticks off several recent attacks by women bombers in Iraq and Sri Lanka, and the recruitment of female suicide bombers in Chechnya, India, Pakistan, the Palestinian territories and Turkey.

Why the increase in women bombers? “DHS and the FBI assess that female suicide bombers may have an advantage over their male counterparts in accessing targets. The means to conduct a suicide attack vary widely, but a key element in maximizing the lethality of a suicide bombing is the bomber’s ability to get close to the target,” the report states. “Female suicide bombers may carry explosives devices in a backpack, briefcase, or purse, or hidden in an article of clothing worn close to the body, such as a vest, belt, long socks, or jacket.”

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[Telperion]

This is really harsh, it seems to me to be part of an ongoing process of dehumanization of the 'enemy' by the western media. Usually females and especially pregnant women (and women with children) are reserved at least some small measure of sympathy/empathy even from across 'enemy' lines. The only exceptions I can think of are the genocides in Rwanda and and in Europe where those who were condemned, men, women and children alike, had been relegated to the status of vermin to be systematically destroyed.

_http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/13-10-2007/98762-dehumanization-0 - a recent interesting article on dehumanization/demonization

With the overt religious shading of the conflict in the middle east it's not surprising to hear these Arab women 'suicide bombers' classified as demonic.

 

[shellycheval]

I suspect that few if (any women bombers really exist) of these women "suicide" bombers are volunteers. Given the absolute power and tyranny over women in many extreme patriarchal cultures, it seems likely that women may be forced into participating in violence by using psychological and emotional weapons against them--i.e. threatening to kill their children if they don't comply . . . etc.

Stories of female suicide bombers reveal once again how people's minds are controlled to create confusion and tension between people. Prejudice against women is created by showing that acts of violence by men are somehow "normal" and the same acts committed by women are then demonized. This is also another example of the various dialectical dualities set up to keep people confused and divided into an "us vs them" mindset (color, religion, gender, political parties etc.)--the demoniztion of women then is just another way by the PTB to divide humanity and conquer.
shellycheval

 

[Telperion]

I suspect that few if (any women bombers really exist) of these women "suicide" bombers are volunteers. Given the absolute power and tyranny over women in many extreme patriarchal cultures, it seems likely that women may be forced into participating in violence by using psychological and emotional weapons against them--i.e. threatening to kill their children if they don't comply . . . etc.

I agree to a certain extent that emotional weapons could be employed against these women to coerce them however, I don't want to fall into the trap of thinking that women are somehow less likely or less averse to violence than men. While I don't buy into the demonization aspect of the media coverage I do believe that women in war zones are just as likely as men to experience rage, frustration, and a burning desire for vengeance, ESPECIALLY if they've lost a child/children.

Another factor that has barely been explored in why women may turn to violence in war zones -

http://makkah.wordpress.com/2007/12/03/to-survive-or-not-prostitution-of-iraqi-girls-in-syria/ (Iraq/Syria)

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/50000-iraqi-refugees-forced-into-prostitution-454424.html (Iraq/Syria)

(pdf) http://culturesocietypraxis.org/index.php/csp/article/viewFile/46/43 (Chechnya)

There are more than a million Iraqi refugees in Syria, many are women whose husbands or fathers have been killed. Banned from working legally, they have few options outside the sex trade. No one knows how many end up as prostitutes, but Hana Ibrahim, founder of the Iraqi women's group Women's Will, puts the figure at 50,000.

 

[Joe]

I'd just like to say that the entire concept of "suicide bombers" as it is known today in its "Islamic" incarnation is 100% bogus. It does not exist as a tactic of any actual resistance group and I seriously doubt if it ever has.

Joe

 

[Telperion]

I'd just like to say that the entire concept of "suicide bombers" as it is known today in its "Islamic" incarnation is 100% bogus. It does not exist as a tactic of any actual resistance group and I seriously doubt if it ever has.

Acknowledging some truth to the fact that suicide bombings are at times fabricated/set in motion by the PTB, it's hard to believe that a people grossly out gunned and under a cruel thumb would not make use of one of the only methods of attacking the enemy left to them in their inferior military position. The dangerous fact of this reality is that not only are the PTB a major threat but that they also create major threats with their schemes/actions and then totally remove themselves from the chain of causality.

 

[anart]

I'd just like to say that the entire concept of "suicide bombers" as it is known today in its "Islamic" incarnation is 100% bogus. It does not exist as a tactic of any actual resistance group and I seriously doubt if it ever has.

Acknowledging some truth to the fact that suicide bombings are at times fabricated/set in motion by the PTB

Hi, Telperion, you seem to have missed Joe's point. Suicide bombings are not faked 'at times' - they are almost always - literally almost 100% of the time, faked.

it's hard to believe that a people grossly out gunned and under a cruel thumb would not make use of one of the only methods of attacking the enemy left to them in their inferior military position.

This statement indicates a lack of understanding of the consistent outcome of 'suicide bombing', which is marked increase of aggression and persecution against the type of people who were framed for the bombing. Your opinion is, quite simply, ill informed. Joe has written many articles on the intricacies of the dynamics and history of 'suicide bombings' and all of them are carried on the SotT page. Please do a search on the SotT page using the terms inauthor: Joe Quinn and spend a lot of time reading to get up to speed on this.

The dangerous fact of this reality is that not only are the PTB a major threat but that they also create major threats with their schemes/actions and then totally remove themselves from the chain of causality.

This statement implies that suicide bombings are actually done by the people blamed for them and they are - almost always - not. The suicide bombing Muslim terrorist is a MYTH and nothing more. More than enough evidence of this has been presented on many articles on the SotT page, so, please, again, take some time to read them.

 

[fabric]

This statement implies that suicide bombings are actually done by the people blamed for them and they are - almost always - not. The suicide bombing Muslim terrorist is a MYTH and nothing more. More than enough evidence of this has been presented on many articles on the SotT page, so, please, again, take some time to read them.

That's right. Which brings to mind this great article:

The Myth Of The Palestinian Suicide Bomber

Well worth a read

 

[Telperion]

The dangerous fact of this reality is that not only are the PTB a major threat but that they also create major threats with their schemes/actions and then totally remove themselves from the chain of causality.

What I meant by this was more along the lines of what can be found here - _http://www.tenc.net/interviews/brz.htm

Ex-Security Chief Brzezinski's Interview makes clear: The Muslim Terrorist Apparatus was Created by US Intelligence as a Geopolitical Weapon

 

[ScioAgapeOmnis]

Ex-Security Chief Brzezinski's Interview makes clear: The Muslim Terrorist Apparatus was Created by US Intelligence as a Geopolitical Weapon

This article is disinfo. There is no "Muslim extremism", not even Muslim extremism that is created and sponsored by US. Sure, every now and then some poor brainwashed soul blows himself up - not because he's a Muslim extremist, but because he's essentially a remote-controlled zombie - he can come from any nationality or religion, it doesn't matter. But for the most part, it is false flag operations, which don't require participation of Muslims whatsoever. But making it "look" like Muslim extremism, and making people BELIEVE it is Muslim extremism - that they do.

Also, what the US is fomenting is not "Muslim extremism", but various conflicts between different parts of Iraq etc, using the age-old "divide and conquer" policy. But that also has nothing to do with Muslim extremism. The concept of "Muslim extremism" itself is completely made up.

This argument is similar to the one that says that the US is "creating more terrorists" by its wars and endangering the US. Yes, it's pissing a lot of people off, but it's not making any terrorists. The only thing it's making is enemies - but sensible ones, not crazy suicide-bombing and shooting-themselves-in-the-foot imaginary sort of terrorists.

 

[anart]

The dangerous fact of this reality is that not only are the PTB a major threat but that they also create major threats with their schemes/actions and then totally remove themselves from the chain of causality.

What I meant by this was more along the lines of what can be found here - _http://www.tenc.net/interviews/brz.htm

Ex-Security Chief Brzezinski's Interview makes clear: The Muslim Terrorist Apparatus was Created by US Intelligence as a Geopolitical Weapon

Telperion, you still have not grocked the fact that just because you read something does not make it true - just because you think something or feel strongly about something does not make it true. You do not question yourself or your thinking at all and that is why you are introducing so much noise to the forum. If something crosses your mind, it must be true and you must set everyone straight about it - when in fact, the exact opposite is almost always the case.

Do you know anything about Brzezinski? If not, please look into it, as there is a lot there to find.

If you are to participate on this forum, you must learn to doubt your own thinking and beliefs and search - first and foremost - for data and not just instantly believe, and then defend, everything you read and identify with.

 

[Joe]

Acknowledging some truth to the fact that suicide bombings are at times fabricated/set in motion by the PTB, it's hard to believe that a people grossly out gunned and under a cruel thumb would not make use of one of the only methods of attacking the enemy left to them in their inferior military position. The dangerous fact of this reality is that not only are the PTB a major threat but that they also create major threats with their schemes/actions and then totally remove themselves from the chain of causality.

"One of the only methods"?

Please explain to me why any real resistance group, being able to get a member of their organisation close to an enemy target, would decide to detonate a bomb that ensures the group member will die rather than just detonating the bomb and making an effort to escape and survive to fight another day.

Consider these two scenarios:

1) A resistance fighter carries a bomb on his or her person to the enemy target, when close to the enemy target he or she activates a detonator to explode the bomb on his or her person and instantly kills themselves.

2) A resistance fighter carries a bomb on his or her person to the enemy target, throws the bomb directly at the target (or drops the bomb near the target), turns and runs (or walks) 20 meters and activates a detonator to explode the bomb, thereby giving him or herself a reasonable chance of escape and survival.

Please explain why the first scenario would be chosen by a real resistance group instead of the second.

Give me ONE example of any alleged suicide bombing, (be it person, car, boat, or other) in Israel, Iraq, Pakistan or anywhere else over the past 15 years where the death of the bomber was a requirement, or even helpful, in the success of the mission.

Joe

 

[Telperion]

Acknowledging some truth to the fact that suicide bombings are at times fabricated/set in motion by the PTB, it's hard to believe that a people grossly out gunned and under a cruel thumb would not make use of one of the only methods of attacking the enemy left to them in their inferior military position. The dangerous fact of this reality is that not only are the PTB a major threat but that they also create major threats with their schemes/actions and then totally remove themselves from the chain of causality.

"One of the only methods"?

Please explain to me why any real resistance group, being able to get a member of their organisation close to an enemy target, would decide to detonate a bomb that ensures the group member will die rather than just detonating the bomb and making an effort to escape and survive to fight another day.

Consider these two scenarios:

1) A resistance fighter carries a bomb on his or her person to the enemy target, when close to the enemy target he or she activates a detonator to explode the bomb on his or her person and instantly kills themselves.

2) A resistance fighter carries a bomb on his or her person to the enemy target, throws the bomb directly at the target (or drops the bomb near the target), turns and runs (or walks) 20 meters and activates a detonator to explode the bomb, thereby giving him or herself a reasonable chance of escape and survival.

Please explain why the first scenario would be chosen by a real resistance group instead of the second.

Give me ONE example of any alleged suicide bombing, (be it person, car, boat, or other) in Israel, Iraq, Pakistan or anywhere else over the past 15 years where the death of the bomber was a requirement, or even helpful, in the success of the mission.

Joe

I don't have a dispute with your findings from a purely strategic, analytical assessment of the practicality of suicide bombing. If their aim was to simply win and fight on for another day then sure, it doesn't make any sense. However for those wrapped up in a religious delusion or completely broken down by oppression, a suicidal attack may not be so far fetched. I'm sure most of the accounts of suicide bombings are bogus in Israel, but in Iraq and other places the picture is not so clear. Many people living in these war zones have lost many if not all of their immediate family. There is a culture of martyrdom that exists in some extreme circumstances that is much more than a clever slight of hand by Western imperialism. In some cases people may simply want to end their life and make a 'statement' at the same time. The way we consider a military mission, and the way these oppressed people may consider a military mission could be very different. Regarding the psychology of martyrdom/terrorism - Martyrdom: The Psychology, Theology, and Politics of Self-Sacrifice by Rona M. Fields is very good. Much less so, but to illustrate the point are the following links

_http://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/208552.pdf

_http://www.healthsystem.virginia.edu/internet/csmhi/suicide-bomber-psychology.pdf

_http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/127 (amazing propaganda!)

 

[Joe]

However for those wrapped up in a religious delusion or completely broken down by oppression, a suicidal attack may not be so far fetched. I'm sure most of the accounts of suicide bombings are bogus in Israel, but in Iraq and other places the picture is not so clear. Many people living in these war zones have lost many if not all of their immediate family. There is a culture of martyrdom that exists in some extreme circumstances that is much more than a clever slight of hand by Western imperialism. In some cases people may simply want to end their life and make a 'statement' at the same time. The way we consider a military mission, and the way these oppressed people may consider a military mission could be very different.

In Iraq I would say that the ease with which a "suicide bombing" can be manufactured by the occupying forces is as great if not greater than in Israel. There are 150,000 US troops and infrastructure and a further at least 100,000 private militia. Basically, the important point to remember is that the short history of suicide bombing in the Middle East has greatly benefited the forces of occupation and greatly disadvantaged the forces of resistance to that occupation. So whether or not a real Iraqi or Palestinian ever carried out a suicide bombing is not the main issue, the main issue is that the phenomenon of suicide bombing was birthed by the Western military/political axis, it is an entirely Western construct yet it is today ascribed to Muslims in an effort to demonise and dehumanise them.

Joe

 

[Approaching Infinity]

I think Joe and Telperion both have good points. Suicide bombing is a "new" phenomenon. From logical perspective it only makes sense that Israel invented it as a mini-false-flag strategy. However, I agree with Telperion that there are probably many Palestinians who are so traumatized, oppressed, depressed, and angry that they feel suicide bombing would be a way to both end a life of misery and make a statement against their oppressors. Remember that most Palestinians are as much a victim to the suicide bomber propaganda as Westerners. In other words, while they may not understand it, they believe other Palestinians are actually choosing suicide bombing as a method of resistance. In such an environment, suicide bombing becomes an "option", even if it is entirely manufactured by Mossad. Due to Mossad's complete infiltration/surveillance of resistance groups, it's likely that whenever someone shows an interest in giving their lives and getting revenge in the process, Mossad knows about it and exploits it. I wouldn't be surprised if they never even let such individuals fulfill their desire. They probably just murder them when they don't expect it with a pre-placed bomb, calling it a suicide bombing after the fact.