Boycott Israeli products

From The Wave, Chapter XXXIII
Concerning money, and how the C’s spoke of it.

Q: (L) The other day I experienced one of those extended pre-sleep states, and it seemed that I was in a class and there was someone explaining things to me. What they were telling me was that during this Christmas season, certain steps would be taken by those controlling the economy, and that after Christmas, in January and February, a whole lot of stuff was going to be put into motion to send the economy into a dive of major proportions. It was not clear that it was THIS year, but that it was right after Christmas. Can you tell me where this information was coming from, and what was I experiencing?
A: This is a long and complicated subject, but we will do our best to explain it. What you were seeing was one possible future. The economy of your 3rd density world is entirely manufactured. The forces that control it are both 3rd density and 4th density. There are conflicting opinions in the 3rd density sector right now as to when, where, and how to institute an economic depression. This has been "in the works" for quite some "time" as you measure it. So far, the forces arguing against institution of a collapse have prevailed. How long this condition will be maintained is open to many outcomes. Also, please be aware that the state of the economy is entirely an illusion. In other words, the world economy performs solely based upon what the population is told to believe.
Q: (L) Well, that is all fine and good except for one fact that I have been observing lately, and that is that prices continue to go up, and wages for the average person do not. I watch prices, and they have been jumping in a very erratic and frightening way. I know for a fact that people simply cannot afford to live. A large segment of the population cannot, that is.
A: Nobody who obeys the "rules" can afford to "live," but if you refuse to play the game as you are told to, you will do quite well, indeed.
Q: (L) Okay. What do you mean by not playing by the rules? What rules?
A: The best way for us to answer that is for you to think out loud, and wait for our responses.
Q: (L) Okay. The first rule is that you have to have a "regular job."
A: "Trap" number one!
Q: (S) Rule number two is that you have to save your money.
A: You save your money by multiplying it, not storing it. When you store it in the bank, you are helping the Brotherhood AKA Illuminati AKA Antichrist multiply it for itself, all you get is the "crumbs" left over. And, the Antichrist can "call it in" anytime it wants to!
Q: (L) One of the most popular ways to make money by investing is in the stock market. But, it seems to me that the stock market is also part of the Antichrist system and investing there would also amount to only getting "crumbs."
A: Yes and no. Not all stocks traded publicly are under direct control of the Illuminati. We are not suggesting anything specific, we are just laying the groundwork. With the general clues we give you, you will figure out the details yourselves, which is tantamount to learning, which is how you progress as souls.
Q: (L) You said we should multiply our money and that storing it is not making it work for you....
A: If you notice, all successful business people do this. They multiply their money, expand their horizons, continuously. They multiply their money by multiplying their output, thus their intake likewise. And the process is never ending, because they understand instinctively that it is part of a cycle. For the intake to continue, it must not be only retained, but must increase in order to keep pace with the ever spiraling cycle of increase and expansion. And, for this to happen, the output must be expanded accordingly. When it stops, it collapses. And this is how the Illuminati AKA The Brotherhood AKA The Antichrist creates a "Panic," by stemming the flow, even only slightly, and then broadcasting the created impression aggressively.
Q: (S) Well, investing is fine if you have money, but Laura and Frank don't have any money to invest. What would be a way for them to do this?
A: One example would be to share their experiences, insights, and learnings. One way to replicate such would be to publish, for example.
Q: (L) I know you are 6th density light beings and we are just 3rd density humans, and it is hard for us to continue what we are doing when under constant attack from all directions, internally and externally. I don't see how we can tell about all these experiences without risking further problems.
A: The work has not been stopped and will not be. You have been told that publishing all or parts of your work is merely "a phone call away," but, as of yet, you have not had faith in that statement, and you have problems asking for what you want for fear of creating the wrong "impression," which is in your head and also a part of the attack process. We have lead you to this position, but you know what they say: "You can lead a horse to water..." You have expended an enormous amount of energy communicating with many sources, but most of these are fruitless. We have told you to network!! This works wonders!!!

Peg here:
Sounds to me like they’re explaining how to utilize the system to expand our financial base. I don’t see why one would generalize and assume that everyone who does it is “greedy" .

And I don’t see how spending it where it’s needed displaces the desperate. I would rather some child get a meal in their stomach, than a country get it for the war machine. I think it’s much better to know what your money supports. If third density sees it as power, then that’s the tool that will get their attention. So far, as much as we, the little guys, speak out, how well have the politicians listened?

It’s a sad commentary on this world, “Money talks and B.S. walks." But it IS a reality. I think it’s much better to put it directly, and literally, into the hands where it will do more good…like feed a family and providing shelter.

There are far more displaced individuals throughout the world, and not just IN Palestine. Many of them have left with nothing but the clothes on their backs, having to start from scratch. Individuals who came to this country (US), with nothing but their education. Doctors, Lawyers, Surgeons, multilingual and highly educated, and guess where they worked? They worked as dishwashers in my Dad’s restaurant, because they had no resources to do otherwise. They depended on the kindness of family, friends and sometimes, total strangers, to put them up and help them get on their feet. Who paid for all of that? And could it have been done if the people that put them up didn’t have the resources themselves? As far as affecting a change, there’s no telling how many of those kids that someone helped, grew up to make a difference in this world. Butterfly wings comes to mind.

So as evil as it seems for some, it’s the fuel that the world runs on for now. We can sit and debate the evils till the cows come home, while some little girl and her brother sit waiting for a meal.
 
Peg,


I think we are the same wavelength here, but are discussing two different things.


mudrabbit said:
Peg here:
Sounds to me like they’re explaining how to utilize the system to expand our financial base. I don’t see why one would generalize and assume that everyone who does it is “greedy" .
I didn't say or imply that expanding a financial base was greedy. What I said was a boycott of X would affect some (well-off) people/companies that see their particular control of an area/cash flow being threatened, and the reason for the boycott may be immaterial to them. They'd only care they're losing control/money because of it.

There is absolutely nothing wrong in expanding your financial base (as long as it's not at another's expense). It leaves you free to effectively DO stuff, instead of being a time/work slave. Of course, it depends on your intent and what you actually do with it. Like everything else.

mudrabbit said:
And I don’t see how spending it where it’s needed displaces the desperate. I would rather some child get a meal in their stomach, than a country get it for the war machine. I think it’s much better to know what your money supports. If third density sees it as power, then that’s the tool that will get their attention. So far, as much as we, the little guys, speak out, how well have the politicians listened?
Here I didn't say that SPENDING money where it's needed displaces the desperate. I was saying the opposite: withholding, via boycott, money from those that are on the brink won't serve anybody: it will only hurt them.

I agree wholeheartedly with knowing what your money supports and directly helping people out wherever possible by making informed and judicious choices. (Why buy carrots from Walmart, when you can get them from the guy down the street who grew them, for example).



mudrabbit said:
It’s a sad commentary on this world, “Money talks and B.S. walks." But it IS a reality. I think it’s much better to put it directly, and literally, into the hands where it will do more good…like feed a family and providing shelter.

There are far more displaced individuals throughout the world, and not just IN Palestine. Many of them have left with nothing but the clothes on their backs, having to start from scratch. Individuals who came to this country (US), with nothing but their education. Doctors, Lawyers, Surgeons, multilingual and highly educated, and guess where they worked? They worked as dishwashers in my Dad’s restaurant, because they had no resources to do otherwise. They depended on the kindness of family, friends and sometimes, total strangers, to put them up and help them get on their feet. Who paid for all of that? And could it have been done if the people that put them up didn’t have the resources themselves? As far as affecting a change, there’s no telling how many of those kids that someone helped, grew up to make a difference in this world. Butterfly wings comes to mind.

So as evil as it seems for some, it’s the fuel that the world runs on for now. We can sit and debate the evils till the cows come home, while some little girl and her brother sit waiting for a meal.
Yes, unfortunately. It is this way.

Cheers.
 
I think we need to break out of limited thinking here. Putting the boycott Israeli goods gif on the Signs page was not meant to convey the idea that we think that boycotting Israel goods is going to change anything in Palestine, or benefit the Palestinians or hurt the Zionists. Neither is the suggestion to not buy Israeli products meant to serve as a self-calming mechanism by which a person would feel they had done "their bit for Palestine".

It was intended as an advertisement of sorts to simply promote the truth that Israel is an illegal entity that is engaging in crimes against humanity in regard to its treatment of the Palestinian population.

The few remaining products that Israel allows the Palestinians to produce are packaged as Israeli products. The idea that to boycott Israeli goods is also to boycott Palestinian goods is irrelevant for two good reasons:

there is no Palestinian economy to speak of, so there is nothing to boycott.

even if there was, a bunch of Signs readers or Sott forum members stopping buying Israeli goods (that includes a smattering of Palestinian olives and tomatoes) is not going to stop these products from being sold. As others have already said, it is generally illegal in most Western nations for companies to boycott Israeli goods, and most ordinary people are not interested in the provenance of their foodstuffs.


If we want to talk boycotting, the reality of the situation is that the entire Palestinian people and their right to exist has been boycotted by Israel, America and Britain for the last 80 years.

So when we say "boycott Israeli goods", what we are really saying is "boycott the brutality and inhumanity of the Zionist state, and the general destructive ethos of the psychopaths that has caused the suffering of so many for so long."

Joe
 
There is a story going on in Italy, which receives very little or no media attention, and this story has to do with Israel. It is a continuation of efforts of various groups and individuals around the globe to let know Israel that its decades-long genocide and denigration of basic human rights of entire Palestine ‘no passaran’. This time around it’s about European Book Fairs.
In December, 2007, Aharon Shabtai, an Israeli poet and ‘dissident’ for his Pro-Palestinian stance declined an offer made to him and other forty Israeli poets and writers to participate in Paris Book Fair in March 2008.
He motivated his decision to boycott 2008 Paris Book Fair by his disgust of colonialist and racist Israeli policy. He explained his decision to Cultural Attaché of Israeli Embassy in Paris and to Haaretz that inviting Israel to be the guest of Honor at Paris Book Fair is a distasteful propaganda in favor of Israel. In his recent interview to Italian daily Il Manifesto he said:
“I think that it deals with propaganda, when Israel will be exhibited like a state with a culture, poets, but hiding facts that at this moment [Israel] is committing terrible crimes against humanity. President Shimon Peres, who was responsible for Kfar Kana massacre in Lebanon ten years ago, will participate there. For me it would be impossible to go reading my texts in Paris.”

More polemics and quarrel erupted in January regarding planned Book Fair announced for May, 8-12, 2008 to be held in Turin, Italy. In February, last year, Italian General Secretary of Literature, Music and Culture Rolando Piccioni signed conclusive statement to have Egypt as the guest of Honor during 2008 Turin Book Fair. Later this agreement with Egypt had been effectively cancelled in favor to invite the State of Israel as the Guest of Honor to celebrate 60-th anniversary of formation of the State of Israel. Many Palestinian, Arab, as well as Italian intellectuals, invited to participate in the Turin Book Fair, refused being involved in Fair where State of Israel is renowned. They signed The Statement

NO TO ISRAEL HOST Of HONOUR OF THE FAIR OF THE BOOK OF TURIN
In solidarity with the Palestinian people

We are here today in order that we consider unacceptable the presence and the celebration of the foundation of the State of Israel at the Book Fair in Turin. We are disgusted by everything that had been prearranged and we are left without words while seeing the world of the [glossed-over] [patinata?] culture inclinating close toward the side of the state which methodically works to annihilate Palestine and the Palestinians. Organizers of the Fair are inclinating, because they celebrate Israel, and they do it by participating and thus escalating a ‘beautiful’ and ‘good- looking’ Israeli political marketing operation, the same policy which is endorsed by the upcoming Book Fair in Paris.

In Europe Israel is celebrated and for Palestine Israel is the state that through its armies kills men, women and Palestinian children every day; with the war, with the bombs, with the hunger. Israel builds walls and widens his borders to disadvantage of [the Palestinian] people who for decades live in prisons in the open air, in [victimized, decimated] [martoriate-?] cities, in more and more vast refugee camps. You do this, you incline [toward this] openly, because this is the meaning behind selecting Israel as the country of honor to host the Fair.

Of course you will say that the culture promotes the dialogue, which is beyond any parts, that you have invited writers who criticize the politics of the government, that there is a place also for some Palestinian writers. Of course, these are the usual words of circumstance but the reality is another, unique, and it is unequivocal: to celebrate Israel in a conflict means, actually, to take part in that conflict, to take part without a doubt.

It does not seem to us that there have been other invitations to people and countries that were celebrating their own independence, it does not seem to us that you have invited the Burmese monks who so much have taken to the heart the world of the culture. You, gentlemen, take a part in the propaganda that is a thing quite different from the culture. There is a stunning difference between oppressor and oppressed and you incline toward the side of the strongest.

We are here because in contrast to someone, we are inclined, we are a part, we know and we choose what part to stand for: we are with the Palestine and we support the fight of the Palestinian people. Without half terms, without ‘But’, without specifications. We are with the victims of the war that sucks blood from the Middle East, we do not side with the responsible [for war] persons. We are not with the one who builds walls or besieges entire territories; we do not consider honorable to invite the one who bombards habitations, machines and check-points everywhere.

We are here to ask for the withdrawal of the initiative of having Israel as the host of honor at the Book Fair in Turin. We are here today to initiate a permanent mobilization against the choice of the Fair to have Israel as the country - host in Turin and here today we initiate the compaign of fight and boycott of the Fair with:

- UN CORTEO NAZIONALE IL 29 MARZO PER RICHIEDERE LA REVOCA DELL'INVITO AD ISRAELE
- UN CONVEGNO SUL SIONISMO E LA NAKBA DEL 1948 IL 9 MAGGIO
- UN CORTEO NAZIONALE IL 10 MAGGIO IN SOLIDARIETÀ CON IL POPOLO PALESTINESE
- UN CONTRO-SALONE DOVE VERRANNO OSPITATI GLI EDITORI SENSIBILI ALLA LOTTA PALESTINESE, CON EVENTI, CONFERENZE E DIBATTITI
- BOICOTTAGGIO E AZIONI DI DISTURBO DELLA FIERA

Tariq Ali explained his decision in Counterpunch article:
“It would appear that culture is increasingly bound to the political priorities of the US/EU nexus. The West is blind to Palestinian suffering. The Israeli war on Lebanon, the daily reports from the Gaza ghetto do not move official Europe. In France, we know, it is virtually impossible to criticise Israel. In Germany, too, for special reasons. It would be sad if Italy went the same way. How many times do we have to stress that criticism of Israel's colonial policies is not anti-semitic. To accept this is to become willing victims of the blackmail the Israeli establishment uses to silence its critics. There are some courageous Israeli critics like Aharon Shabtai, Amira Hass, Yitzhak Laor and others who will not permit their voices to be muffled in this fashion. Shabtai refused to attend this fair. How could I do otherwise?”

Aharon Shabtai commented in his interview to Italian daily Il Manifesto on boycotting Turin Book Fair:

Il Manifesto: Some groups of Italian political left are ready to boycott the Turin 2008 Book Fair, while the institutional political left is opposed to that decision, suggesting that the boycott goes against ethical foundation of the culture, causes adversity in society and ultimately intellectuals are not responsible for the actions of their governments.

Aharon Shabtai: What they assert is absurd: during Hitlerism or during apartheid intellectuals as Brecht and many others were joining together to fight Fascism and segregationism. Iintellectuals, together with [social] organizations, contributed to end apartheid. Intellectuals - who have to be free - should participate in the boycott. A help from Europe, which would boycott Israel not as such, but in how its political and military establishment supports occupation, would be the only possibility to save Palestinians and us, the Jews of Israel.

Il Manifesto: Ten years since establishment of pacifist movement, and you have a thousand "dissidents" who demonstrate against war. Why don’t you manage to join wider audience?

Aharon Shabtai: Because in Israel all TV stations and all newspapers educate people in nationalism, with a daily brainwashing. Now I am sitting, here in my flat, and I can feel distinctly my neighbor saying: "The Arabs are not people, they are barbarian, we should have strike them with nuclear bomb". Everything he asserts he has learnt from mass media, which saw panic and anger while politicians cooperate with the military establishment. We live in Orwellian situation: each day TV repeats that it is terrible to live in Sderot, where almost no one is killed. The hell of Gaza which has become a ghetto is just two steps from small Israeli town.
From one point of view like Anart repeated several times here (in other contexts likely): Books are just books. Why to put political boycotting and cultural life in one bag? Like it’s unfair to boycott a Book Fair, as books have to be respected. And one can always argue: let’s use this Book Fair to peacefully criticize Israeli policy, to sympathize with Palestinians who are the same concentration camps’ scapegoats to Israel as the Jews were to Nazi Germany. Let’s not boycott. My question is: is such a boycott mute? Is it’s cause justified? Can it bring us nearer to resolution of Palestinian – Israeli war?
While I think books and interests of readers have to be respected; it’s VERY fair to use every available peaceful means to let Israeli PTB know they “no passaran”. Letting both Book Fairs – in Paris and in Torin having State of Israel as the guest of Honor means that everybody involved there – authors, organizers and readers do agree that Israel has to celebrate 60-th anniversary of genocide of entire Palestine. It’s sounds like let’s make ‘brindisi’ and ‘salute’, drink red wine to this cause but it feels to me more like these crystals we would be drinking are full not of wine, but of Palestinian blood. And the ‘let’s make peace’ and ‘let’s feel good’ sentiment’ makes us drinking blood of silent victims.
I somehow think that this boycott in Italy is very good and is justified because it’s an egalitarian form of non-violent protest, of expressing one’s dissent, and in this case ‘silence’ IS speaking. The more peaceful ‘silence’ boycotting of State of Israel occur in many different areas, more it has a probability to reach a breaking point, where there would be too much vapor to cointain public dissent. What do you think, what Italian intellectuals do now, is it ultimately serving Palestinians?
 
Apologies for reviving this thread.

I've got a product here which my wife uses called Seacret. It's a body lotion apparently made from some material from the Dead Sea. The barcode is 839901003052 and on the tube it says, "Made in Israel."

A search for the barcode here shows "Item not found" but a search for items with the same prefix (839901) shows a range of products all issued from the USA!!

So, is the product "made" in Israel? If you look for items starting with 729, it does show products "issued" from Israel. Any thoughts?
 
Vulcan59 said:
Apologies for reviving this thread.

I've got a product here which my wife uses called Seacret. It's a body lotion apparently made from some material from the Dead Sea. The barcode is 839901003052 and on the tube it says, "Made in Israel."

A search for the barcode here shows "Item not found" but a search for items with the same prefix (839901) shows a range of products all issued from the USA!!

So, is the product "made" in Israel? If you look for items starting with 729, it does show products "issued" from Israel. Any thoughts?

Hi Vulcan,

From what I know, the barcode could be from a country but the origin of production of that product could be somewhere else.

GS1 Prefixes do not provide identification of country of origin for a given product. They simply provide number capacity to different countries for assignment from that location to companies who apply. Those companies in turn may manufacture products anywhere in the world.

Check it out here also : _http://www.barcode.com/2009/04/barcode-prefixes-and-product-country-of-origin/

So it is more than probable that we use product with a barcode from an other country than Israel but that has factories there.

I think it is very possible to bend the rules in this way to shift the origin of a product to somewhere else, I think this was the case with one brand of clothes who did one last stitching to their own country and thus erasing all traces of the real country of production.
 
Product labelling can be very mis-leading. It is an EU legal requirement that fresh produce must be labeled
with "country of origin" areas within those countries can be included, but normally just to prove local provenance
and used as a marketing tool.

To sidestep any potential issues with Israeli fruit, there is a derogation that allows a description "Produce of the West Bank" for fresh produce from Israeli growers and exporters. In theory any Palestian farmers can also use that "origin" to pack under (that is, if there are still any Palestinian vineyards or orange and olive groves that the Israeli army have not driven tanks through)
 
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