Brace Yourselves For War Between Iran and Israel

[JEEP]

Just a little oddity that I happened to notice from my local paper that Trump's speech last Wednesday was "on Day 33 of the war with Iran." Seems like the fact it was April Fool's day would have been more of a signifier, but maybe only important to certain parties in a symbolic way.

It's interesting, though, that Candace zeroed in on 33 in her podcasts seeking the truth about Charlie Kirk's assassination.

 

[JEEP]

Now reported that a Blackhawk rescue helicopter also shot down in Iran - first few minutes of podcast streamed 3 hours ago:

 

[axj]

Banks may suffer and if the subprime crash is anything to go by, then some banks will go out of business, some will be taken over and in other cases their will be the socalled bail-ins.

The biggest banks will almost certainly be bailed out with a lot more money printing. After all, the biggest banks basically own the money printer at the Federal Reserve.

The silver trade in the last few months made it clear that those at the top of the market can and do, to manipulate the markets with total impunity.

The steady growth and spike in both gold and silver do seem to show that their manipulation has its limits. One of the reasons may be China where a lot of physical gold and silver are traded now.

 

[Niall]

Umm - seeing that the vid is just over an hour and 45 min., not sure what 4 min. section you had in mind.

The 4 minutes that immediately begins playing when you click on the embedded video in my post because I right-clicked and selected 'Copy video URL at current time' when choosing the point in the discussion which I was referring to.

For additional clarity, it's the 4 minutes from 26:20 to 30:10.

 

[MJF]

Israel is preparing a new sacrifice

Israel has passed a death penalty law for "terrorists," meaning Palestinian prisoners.

Considering that Israel detains all Palestinians/Arabs under this law—women, children, and the elderly—the occupiers will now be able to execute anyone unfortunate enough to be a Palestinian/Arab within sight of Israeli occupation forces.

It looks like they do it to Easter.

I have watched comments by a Palestinian Israeli MP and civil rights activist on this new law and, to make things only worse, it appears that it will be Israeli military courts/tribunals that will hear these "terrorist cases" with a resulting guilty verdict likely to be in the order of 96% or more. The only slim hope is that the new law has now been referred to the Israeli Supreme Court for consideration. The likelihood is that the new law will still be upheld by the court but it may be made subject to a few checks and balances providing some slight amelioration to its wide-ranging application.

I fail to see how the Israelis can now ever (hypocritically) take the moral high ground again when citing the abuse of Jewish rights by the Nazis both before and during WW2. Who are the new Nazis now?​

 

[Ruth]

So many of the otherwise (or formerly) sober commentators are doing the same thing. I question everything, regardless of the source.

It's so much more entertaining when a comedian does it. He's made some good points and been way off (in my opinion) about others. That's the same with any commentator. He just gets to makes jokes about it.

We're still left with the same problems about information about the current situation in the Middle East:

1. scarcity of good or accurate information (especially from Western sources).

2. the biases of the presenter.

3. the biases of the source who's telling you the information - what they tell and what they exclude.

I hope Dore manages to avoid AI content as a source (unless he's making fun of it). That appears to be getting more and more difficult during this time. Everything has to be checked and often not checked deeply enough! Glad I don't have his job.

 

[Niall]

On a more serious note, the indicators of willful destruction within and surrounding this war suggest a 'plan' is afoot to impose something akin to the 'great reset' they dangled during Covid.

The idea that this "war" is really just a maneuver to instigate the 'great reset' has been brought up more than once. Just as we know the Great Depression in the US was purposely engineered, does anyone think these others weren't as well?

Off topic, JEEP. The Great Depression and the Titanic accident have nothing to do with the US-Israeli war against Iran.

I remember reading about the plight of people in some part of South America who realized their lives were so bad and beyond any effective citizen intervention, that their only hope was that of the supernatural. That's all they had left to cling to. Just think how bad life must be if that's the only hope you have. I was quite disturbed by that realization and it stuck with me.

That's something interesting to meditate on, but, again, not for this thread.

And, in a way, are we not in the same boat - communicating with the Cs for some hope and guidance as our reality gets more and more horrific? You elect a president for no more wars and he does just the opposite - a move that will usher in a global recession/depression as Col. Wilkerson states in that last vid I posted.

We can see it coming, we know it's been planned by 4D STS since forever. Is the best response to just keep putting it out there that it's all been planned and engineered to happen and refuse to accept the BS narratives parroted by all the official media outlets? Call them out - each and every one from military to politicians to mainstream media talking heads!

The best response, which I highly recommend, is to do something creative. If it could also be helpful and practical to you or your dependents' immediate situation, then even better.

BTW - are any forum members adept at making Lego animations per chance? Iran has proven that they can be wickedly effective in striking blows for truth!

Not a bad idea! But I think it would be best if you do something creative off-line. Like, in the real world, and preferably using your hands. Check the news, sure, and catch up with the forum, but just for a short while each day.

 

[axj]

On the topic of the "AI Netanyahoo" and his son not tweeting for exactly 7 days as if in mourning: What was the point of it?

The most likely reason may be to appear strong while he was maybe being treated at a hospital? Or maybe the complete opposite: appear weak by implying that he died, as in Sun Tsu's "appear weak when you are strong"?

A much less likely possibility is that he did die and it is now a believable double rarely appearing in public. Maybe his official death is "postponed" to when the timing is right to fulfill the coming Messiah prophecies which seem to require the death of the Israeli leader during the "Gog-Magog war"?

The Kabbalists who are running Mossad are probably using numerology, astrology, etc. and maybe even have a "direct line" to 4D STS telling them what to do.

 

[Ruth]

Ex-military commentary on the F-15 fighter jet shot down in Iran. What the usual responses are in this situation and how dangerous it is. This is a rapidly evolving situation.

 

[Ruth]

Or maybe the complete opposite: appear weak by implying that he died, as in Sun Tsu's "appear weak when you are strong"?

I find this part a little difficult to understand, especially as Israel (reportedly) is being pummelled 24/7 by Iran with intermittent salvos from both the Houthis and Hezbollah.

In addition the Tucker Carlson Network has just made aviailable for streaming, a documentary called "The Bibi Files" that deals with Israeli accusations of Netanyahu's corruption, including funding Hamas for billions through Qatar. It's behind a paywall. In my opinion, if Netanyahu looked any weaker, he'd be dead! It's most unfortunate that he isn't, because now he get's to completely destroy Israel because he's a nasty evil man.

https://tuckercarlson.com/

 

[MJF]

An interesting part of Shiite Islam is their practice of taqiyya, which is a form of strategic dishonesty or concealment of intent and purpose in dangerous times. I can't remember where I first read about it, but apparently a number PTB schizoid think-tank creatures have claimed that Iran's fatwah on nukes was a ruse - which was recently confirmed by the C's. So the schizoids were right in a way.

It's quite possible that Mossad/CIA types have long known that Iran has had nukes. It may be that the details were shared with Trump and Vance, and that this is why they are all hot and bothered about nukes in backpacks - they were given real, credible intel on Iran's offensive nuclear capability, plus some understanding of taqiyya... but then to spice things up, the intel spooks added the BS about how the Iranians are all a pack of mad terrorists who like backpack bombs.

I have pondered what the C's said about this matter in the session dated 28 June 2025:

(Joe) In the previous session we asked about nukes and they said that Iran had more nukes than Israel. Does Iran have effective missile delivery means for its nukes?

A: Not yet.

Now you will notice that the C's did not say whether the nukes were either atomic bombs or hydrogen bombs. The two types of nuclear bomb are quite different in the way in which they operate and are triggered.

I should confess here that my late father worked on British nuclear warheads in the 1950's and 1960's. He could never speak about his work since it was, of course, top secret. He could only really speak in generalities. He told me, for example, that to trigger a hydrogen bomb you needed first to detonate an atomic bomb to kick start the process of a chain reaction. Indeed, a British TV documentary a few years ago showed how the British had fooled the Americans into thinking they had detonated their first hydrogen bomb on a Pacific island in the late 1950's when it was in fact really just a souped up atomic bomb.

You also needed a complex triggering mechanism which effectively set off a string of detonations in rapid sequence to trigger the nuclear explosion. This was a major issue with the first U.S atomic bomb. The problem was solved to a large extent when late in the war in Europe the Americans captured a German submarine en route to Japan on board which (very conveniently I would add) was a supply of enriched uranium, a stock of plutonium, proximity fuses for triggering a nuclear detonation and, even better, the German engineer who had designed the fuses. What a stroke of good fortune you may think since the American nuclear scientists and engineers had been grappling with the problem of creating effective proximity fuses. Well this generous windfall helped to speed up the US nuclear programme so that by August 1945 they were in a position to drop the first atomic bomb on Hiroshima in Japan and the rest is, of course, history.

My father said that in reality it was not really that difficult in principle to make an atomic bomb but the major problem you faced was how to detonate it and survive the resulting explosion. This is where effective delivery systems come in to play. Back in the 1950's and 1960's the main delivery systems were either ballistic missile submarines or dedicated atomic bomber aircraft like the US B52 or the British Vulcan bomber. These could either fire a nuclear missile at a distance (submarine) or drop a bomb and hastily retreat from the ground zero detonation zone (aircraft). Things have, of course, moved on since then but to produce nuclear capable boats and aircraft that can survive interception before they can launch their nuclear payloads is still a prohibitively expensive and technically challenging business. There is good reason why there are still only a few nuclear capable powers in the world.

Where Iran is concerned, I doubt if they have any serviceable aircraft that could drop or launch an atomic armed missile or bomb since most of their aircraft (probably all destroyed by now) were outdated to start with and none of them were likely to have been nuclear capable platforms. Similarly, ballistic missile submarines tend to be huge leviathans capable of storing large rockets with nuclear warheads vertically. My understanding is that the Iranian Navy had only small diesel-electric submarines incapable of carrying large nuclear armed rockets. That would not necessarily rule out cruise missiles though since they can be adapted to carry nuclear warheads. Israel, for example, currently operates small German built Dolphin-class diesel-electric submarines weighing between 1900 and 2400 tonnes. These Dolphin-class submarines are capable of launching torpedoes, mines, and cruise missiles. The larger 650 mm tubes are widely believed to carry Popeye Turbo cruise missiles, potentially nuclear-armed, providing Israel with a sea-based second-strike capability. However, the INS Drakon, launched in 2023, is the largest Israeli submarine to date, featuring a lengthened hull and sail, likely housing vertical launch systems for advanced missiles (God help us all!).

Whether since June 2025 the Iranians have been able to adapt any of their cruise missiles to carry nuclear warheads so that they can be fired from a submarine is something we do not know. However, even if they had, US intelligence is claiming that none of Iran's largest submarines are now serviceable:
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Kilo-class (Tareq-class) submarines: Three Russian-built diesel-electric attack submarines, each around 3,000 tons, 74 meters long, capable of carrying 18 torpedoes and anti-ship cruise missiles. These are the largest and most capable in Iran’s fleet but are limited in shallow waters due to draft requirements and are currently out of action following targeted strikes by U.S. forces in 2026 (IRIS Taregh, Yunes, Nooh).

If the airborne or submarine nuclear weapon platforms are out of the question, that leaves ground launched missiles or rockets. Could the Iranians have adapted any of their long range missiles to carry nuclear warheads since June 2025, assuming, of course, they have licked the problem of producing effective proximity fuses by now? Perhaps we could ask the C's.​

 

[MJF]

The C’s said recently that “there are certifiable people in positions in power”. They are quite literally mentally insane.

So that pretty much eliminates any kind of reasoning about why one should or should not do something.

Do you think the C's had Netanyahu and Trump in mind when they said this ?

 

[MJF]

It could be simpler in some ways. News outlets there don't have the same Western restrictions and can speak more openly about these issues or speculate about them.

Every time a conflict erupts and at least one of the parties has nuclear weapons, the issue of a nuclear strike is immediately brought up. Furthermore, it's known that Israel has nuclear weapons and that it's a small country running out of options.

Also, lately, due to their actions, they've been portrayed as genocidal, religiously fanatical, and unscrupulous liars, so the entire Israeli clique is perceived as madmen who wouldn't hesitate to launch a nuclear attack if they ran out of options.

Al Jazeera was talking about the Samson option a week ago, so we can get an idea of the perception surrounding this issue.

Related to this topic, former CIA agent John Kyriakou (reminder that he was sentenced to prison for exposing Al Qaeda's torture program for prisoners) has said that Israel has been pressuring US presidents to bomb Iran and that all had refused until Trump came along. The nuclear issue comes up in relation to Netanyahu allegedly threatening Trump with such an attack on Iran if he did not intervene.

He cites several sources linked to Congress, so we can give it a chance that the threat was real:



(minute 25, he also talks about Epstein and how the undeclassified files on Kennedy's assassination all point to Israel because of its opposition to its nuclear program)

If this is true and comes to fruition, the truth will be revealed more openly: the US bases in allied countries located in the Middle East were primarily intended to protect Israel:

Moving the Fleet: Israel’s Astonishing Proposal to Host US Military Base - JFeed

Israel has reportedly proposed a massive strategic shift that would see major U.S. military bases relocated from the Persian Gulf to Is - JFeed Israel News

www.jfeed.com

Hmmm. If the US agrees to this, then they can forget any pretence of even-handedness where their Gulf Arab allies are concerned. This would mean that Israel could continue with its genocidal plans with complete impunity since it would have the US bully to protect its every action whilst nesting under the US military umbrella. Perhaps it might encourage the Iranians to invite the Russians and/or Chinese to establish bases in their country too to face down the American presence.​