Brett Kavanaugh

Yeah, although I wasn't as much rooting for Kavanaugh as much as disappointed that we're in the same position all over again in the US, having to choose between a bad option and a bad option. The discussion in the US seemed to be between either having to support him or supporting the insane left.

None of the conversation, as far as I was able to see, gathered around what the Truth actually was, no one seems to care and that's disastrous.

I think Ben Swann managed to make a good case for why the accusations against him were pretty much baseless but that still did not mean he was a good choice for the supreme court here:


Yes, it's insane when you have to make that choice. Along the lines of the video you shared, there is also Peter Hyatt's Statement Analysis of the accusations, which I found to be quite interesting.

Statement Analysis ®


The following is the letter that an accuser sent to Sen. Diane Feinstein. Analysis follows.

Analytical Question: Is she telling the truth? Was she sexually assaulted by Judge Kavanaugh?

July 30 2018


CONFIDENTIAL

Senator Dianne Feinstein

Dear Senator Feinstein;

I am writing with information relevant in evaluating the current nominee to the Supreme Court.

As a constituent, I expect that you will maintain this as confidential until we have further opportunity to speak.

Brett Kavanaugh physically and sexually assaulted me during high school in the early 1980's. He conducted these acts with the assistance of REDACTED.

Both were one to two years older than me and students at a local private school.

The assault occurred in a suburban Maryland area home at a gathering that included me and four others.

Kavanaugh physically pushed me into a bedroom as I was headed for a bathroom up a short stair well from the living room. They locked the door and played loud music precluding any successful attempt to yell for help.

Kavanaugh was on top of me while laughing with REDACTED, who periodically jumped onto Kavanaugh. They both laughed as Kavanaugh tried to disrobe me in their highly inebriated state. With Kavanaugh's hand over my mouth I feared he may inadvertently kill me.

From across the room a very drunken REDACTED said mixed words to Kavanaugh ranging from "go for it" to "stop."

At one point when REDACTED jumped onto the bed the weight on me was substantial. The pile toppled, and the two scrapped with each other. After a few attempts to get away, I was able to take this opportune moment to get up and run across to a hallway bathroom. I locked the bathroom door behind me. Both loudly stumbled down the stair well at which point other persons at the house were talking with them. I exited the bathroom, ran outside of the house and went home.

I have not knowingly seen Kavanaugh since the assault. I did see REDACTED once at the REDACTED where he was extremely uncomfortable seeing me.

I have received medical treatment regarding the assault. On July 6 I notified my local government representative to ask them how to proceed with sharing this information. It is upsetting to discuss sexual assault and its repercussions, yet I felt guilty and compelled as a citizen about the idea of not saying anything.

I am available to speak further should you wish to discuss. I am currently REDACTED and will be in REDACTED.

In confidence, REDACTED.

Analysis


July 30 2018

CONFIDENTIAL

Senator Dianne Feinstein

Dear Senator Feinstein;

Appropriate introduction. Sense of writing etiquette associated with education.

I am writing with information relevant in evaluating the current nominee to the Supreme Court.

Priority:

We always note where an author begins after the greeting. This is often the priority and the actual reason for the author's writing.

Priority

We let the priority unfold, word by word, for us.

Note the purpose: the author writes "with", not "about" and calls the information "relevant."

We generally see "with" between people as a signal of distance. "I went shopping with Heather" instead of "Heather and I went shopping."

The former may indicate distance due to disinterest or disagreement, while the latter shows unity.

It is interesting to note that the author appears to be distancing herself from the "information" ("with") which is coupled with the unnecessary emphasis on the information being "relevant."

Q. Would a victim of sexual assault distance herself from the information of the assault, itself?

"Relevant" information


This is unnecessary information. If the author is writing about a sexual assault, she should have no need to call her own information "relevant" unless...she has a need to.

Note that she also explains why the information is "relevant", as it is in "evaluating the current nominee to the Supreme Court.

"current nominee" is the first person to enter the statement after the recipient (Feinstein) and the author.

"Current nominee" is not "the nominee"; but "current." Here the word "current" is dependent; that is, it requires, like a "numeric", the element of time.

This tells us as her priority, distancing herself from information, there is an expectation of a future nominee.

Consider that the author's priority is having the "nominee" replaced with another.

As a constituent, I expect that you will maintain this as confidential until we have further opportunity to speak.

After the initial priority of being both "with" information and claiming the information is "relevant", the author goes back to herself with "as a constituent."

This use of identifying herself is consistent with her priority of having a successive nominee.

Did you notice how she did not write, "until you and I have further opportunity"? She wrote "we."

The author has just told us that she is united with Diane Feinstein in her priority: getting a nominee who is not "current."

The author is united with the recipient in this context.

She now gets to the accusation. We seek a linguistic commitment, even with the passage of time, that includes processing.

Brett Kavanaugh physically and sexually assaulted me during high school in the early 1980's.

a. "current nominee" is now "Brett Kavanaugh." This is without his title of judge, and it is an incomplete social introduction.
b. Linguistic Disposition: the incomplete social introduction is, in context, a negative linguistic disposition. Given the context of "nominee to the Supreme Court", the lack of title is noted.

Next, note the assault: "physically" comes before "sexually", which in the context of a sexual assault is unusual.

Note the element of time is present: "during" and "in the early 80's."

Expectation: Sexual assault is trauma producing and it is strongly in the memory of the victim (age appropriate) and we do not expect to see "physical" written before "sexual", and we not expect a life changing event to be generalized by a decade.

Thus far we have:

a. motive
b. weak commitment ("relevant")
c. Distance ("with")

We now add unexpected order of event and the lack of commitment to a specific date.

Being a victim of sexual assault and of many years to process, the date is expected to be "memorialized" as a life changing event. It is not an estimate within a decade.


He conducted these acts with the assistance of REDACTED.

a. "conducted" is not the language of assault. It is the language of an ongoing, methodical process. This leads us to ask, "did the subject have consensual sexual contact with the accused?"
b. "these acts" Incongruent with a sexual assault.
c. "with" between people indicates distance. Why would the author not wish to put the two assailants together?

Consider the question:

Why would the author minimize sexual assault?

Was there some form of contact and possible humiliation perceived on the part of the author?



Both were one to two years older than me and students at a local private school.

In the author's account, we do not have one assaulted but an author perceiving herself as exploited; being that they "both" were "one to two years older than me."

A sexual assault of peers (teen or adult) rather than of a child, is not likely to include the ages. This inclusion should cause further consideration of the author being personally insulted or even humiliated.

The assault occurred in a suburban Maryland area home at a gathering that included me and four others.

Note the unnecessary emphasis upon self. If she was assaulted, she would have to have been at the locale. That it included "four others" would provide corroboration of her account.

It is interesting that she did not give the location of the sexual assault but the location as "suburban Maryland area" which is not only an estimate, but unnecessary information.

The author is not making a "linguistic commitment" to a sexual assault.

Kavanaugh physically pushed me into a bedroom

The word "physical" is unnecessary; therefore, very important. We should ask,

"Did the author feel "pushed" in a way other than physical?" This would support the language of "older than me."

Note additional emphasis upon self.

When someone offers that the account can be corroborated, we note the "need" for it, which reduces linguistic commitment. Sexual assault is unique, personal, up close and trauma producing.

It is not in the language. The wording "physically pushed" causes us to ask, "Is there another type of pushing other than physical to the author?" Did the author experience emotional "pushing" to something she did not want to do?


as I was headed for a bathroom up a short stair well from the living room.

Although the author refuses to date beyond a decade, and refuses to identify a location, yet here she tells us where she was "headed" while he "physically pushed" her.

This is narrative building language; what cops often call "story telling." Subjects who engage in this often believe they will be seen as credible for giving such detail. Casey Anthony invented a "nanny" to conceal her murder of her daughter and told police, "she has perfect teeth."

Narrative building, or "story telling" includes commentary:

They locked the door and played loud music precluding any successful attempt to yell for help.

We have the language that avoids saying, "I screamed "no" but they played loud music" in her sentence.

Q. Could this be from the years of processing?

A. It could.

Note, however, the need to use the word "attempt" and "successful" as a possible hina clause; or an explanation as to "why" she did not scream or yell.

In this scenario, the sentence would look like this:


They locked the door and played loud music precluding any successful attempt to yell for help.

It is as if to preempt, "why didn't you yell?" Yet, in such a claim, we would not have asked this, but listened to her. Anticipation of a question or objection is the highest level of sensitivity in a statement.

We now see both passive voice and the potential humiliation:

Kavanaugh was on top of me while laughing with REDACTED, who periodically jumped onto Kavanaugh.

Note that she places him "on top" of "me" (over emphasis upon self; minimization on the assault is incongruent with sexual assault victims)

Passive voice is a psychological term of weak commitment.

a. He physically pushed me
b. He was on top of me

She did not say how he got on top of her (passivity conceals responsibility ).

Why would the author conceal the responsibility of why he was on top of her.

Note the inclusion of "while laughing" which is not "laughed", but an ongoing issue for the author.

This "while laughing" came "with" the redacted accused. (consider the LD of the author towards the redacted accused; the distancing language within the accusation of sexual assault).

"While laughing"
is a linguistic signal of humiliation. This is, in context, while not making a reliable accusation of sexual assault.

We find this humiliation in many false accusations.

They both laughed as Kavanaugh tried to disrobe me in their highly inebriated state.

"laugh" is repeated. The analyst should carefully consider that the author is driven by humiliation, while not giving a reliable statement. This may be part of the motivation or the "trigger" for sending the letter.

"tried" means attempted but failed. Ex: "I tried to tell the truth" (President Clinton)

"disrobe" is minimalist language; not the language of a sexual assault. To "disrobe" is a slowing down of a pace and of will. Sexual assault includes much stronger language; even after decades of processing, because it was an assault. Sexual assailants do not "disrobe" their victims.

"Their highly inebriated state" is not to say "they were drunk." They were in a "state" in the author's verbalized perception of reality. One should consider why the author employs this language when reporting of a personal sexual assault.


With Kavanaugh's hand over my mouth I feared he may inadvertently kill me.

She does not say how he got his hand over her mouth. She skips over time and she wants us to interpret this as something he did. Truthful victims of sexual assault tell us what happened.

Note the additional unnecessary word, "inadvertently" tells us that the author is not only commenting, but is refusing to commit to her charge. She speaks to Kavanagh's intention, and if the assailant of a sexual assault was "trying to disrobe" her, he would not mean to kill her.

This is an example of a weak commitment to an inflated statement. The author knows otherwise.

Next, we have communicative language. She has not told us that she told him "no" or screamed. She preempted this question from being asked.

We now allow the communicative language to guide us.

"My boss said to be here at 8am" uses the two way and softer communicative word, "said."

"My boss told me to be here..." uses the stronger, "told"

In sexual assault, we do not expect soft communicative language to be associated with the word, "no."


From across the room a very drunken REDACTED said mixed words to Kavanaugh ranging from "go for it" to "stop."

She uses the word "said" associated with "stop"; which is incongruent.

This may explain why she distanced herself from the 2nd accused.


At one point when REDACTED jumped onto the bed the weight on me was substantial. The pile toppled, and the two scrapped with each other.


After a few attempts to get away, I was able to take this opportune moment to get up and run across to a hallway bathroom.

The author does not commit to trying to get away. The passivity of such means she wishes to be interpreted as trying to get away, without committing to it. This is a tool used commonly in deception as direct fabrication or lying causes internal stress.

Note "I was able to take" is not, "I ran..."

Note: "...and run across" using the verb "run" reducing commitment.

"opportune moment" is consistent with both long term processing and narrative building.

Which is it?

The analyst must consider it in context, thereby combining the lack of commitment with this point.

I locked the bathroom door behind me.

This sentence would be reliable if she had not added "behind me" which points back to the accused unnecessarily. This is something done when being chased or when one is involved in the scene.


Both loudly stumbled down the stair well at which point other persons at the house were talking with them.

Note the revisiting of potential eye witnesses is given the gender neutral pronoun "persons" here. This also is given the distancing language of "with" separating the two accused with the non-gender "persons."

They are not "people" but "persons" in the author's language.


I exited the bathroom, ran outside of the house and went home.

She didn't run out, but she "exited" and then "ran." This change of language should be considered in context with "laugh" and "laughing" as humiliation.

The Rule of the Negative:

We expect the author to tell us what happened, what she said and what she saw. We do not expect her to tell us what she did not do:

I have not knowingly seen Kavanaugh since the assault.

a,. Why the need to elevate not seeing him?
b. Did she see him but not "knowingly"?

c. "the assault" is not "since he attacked me" or "since he assaulted me."

Sexual assault is deeply personal and invasive. This is lacking from the statement.


I did see REDACTED once at the REDACTED where he was extremely uncomfortable seeing me.

She interprets redacted's body language and reports no communication.

I have received medical treatment regarding the assault.

Note the imperfect commitment to the medical treatment. She does not tell us what was injured nor what treatment (medical) was needed.

On July 6 I notified my local government representative to ask them how to proceed with sharing this information.

It is upsetting to discuss sexual assault and its repercussions, yet I felt guilty and compelled as a citizen about the idea of not saying anything.

That "discussing" sexual assault as "upsetting" is unnecessary information. This unnecessary information should be considered as artificial placement and ingratiation to genuine victims. It is interesting to note this language given her profession.

"I feel guilty" is to be seen in context of:

a. weak commitment
b. avoidance
c. minimization
d. distancing language.



I am available to speak further should you wish to discuss. I am currently REDACTED and will be in REDACTED.

In confidence, REDACTED.

She is "available" and given the unnecessary emphasis upon "self", we should believe her.

Analysis Conclusion

Deception Indicated

If the subject is describing an event between her and two teenagers, it is not a sexual assault but of something deeply embarrassing to her.

Her motive is political.

Her trigger is that they laughed at her.

She was not sexually assaulted and is manipulative. This is why she avoids giving a date, time and witnesses. Her attorney has now said it is not her responsibility to corroborate her account.

Her secondary motive is recognition.

A Reliable Denial is a classification in Statement Analysis. The opposite is an Unreliable Denial. Many analysts and investigators use "not reliable" when they suspect the subject is innocent, yet has not brought himself to make a reliable denial.

A Reliable Denial has three components:

1. The pronoun "I"
2. The past tense verb "did not" (or "didn't"). Only Reid differentiates between the two. This is not supported by findings.
3. The allegation addressed.

If the subject adds or subtracts to this formula, the denial is no longer "Reliable" though it does not, by itself, indicate deception.

If a subject fulfills all three and is asked why he should be believed and says, "I told the truth" or "I am telling the truth", it is 99% likely to be accurate.

Let's look at elements 2 and 3 and denials, especially in the current Supreme Court nomination accusation.

"Did you ever assault Christine Ford?"

"I never assaulted Christine Ford."

The response is not reliable or technically, "Unreliable." This is because "never" is to avoid a specific time of the allegation. Lance Armstrong did not say "I did not take PEDs" but used "never" repeatedly.

Also note that the answer will be influenced by the question using "ever", which is an error on the part of the interviewer/investigator.

In many interviews, the investigator strongly believed the subject did not "do it", but needed to continue to get the subject to freely speak, in order to obtain it.

"I did not harm the child" in a child homicide interview shows that the subject changed murder or killing, to "harm." This is Unreliable. We also hear this in child sexual molestation statements because the abuser did not, in his own subjective dictionary, did not "harm" (or physically injure) the victim.

In some interviews where I did not believe the subject "did it", the subject needed more questions to psychologically close the gap" between him and the allegation. In Employment theft, I use,

"You have been accused of taking the missing money. How do you respond?"

I avoid the morally charged, "stealing" because thieves do not "steal"; they "balance the account, reimburse" etc.

"Oh, I didn't realize you were accusing me. I didn't take the money."

I ask, "Why should I believe you?" and have heard,

"I don't care if you do or not. I am telling the truth..." or something along this. It is a marvelous time saver and focus of investigation.


Christine Ford's accusation has been analyzed and she is deceptive.

She estimates her event by decade, as well as locale. In her priority, she self referenced specifically in a political term: a "constituent."

This is to declare her own motive of being heard. A victim of sexual assault will often show motive within the statement; often being justice or being heard. These often refer to themselves as victims, survivors, or even "persons" in some form.

Dr. Ford is deceptive about her specific event in accusing Judge Kavanaugh. Although we have not had a great deal of statements from her, I don't doubt that she was a victim; likely early childhood sexual abuse.

With a deceptive statement, politicians may be exploiting her; howbeit willingly, as her agenda is within her own language. Yet, if she is to testify under perjury consequences, the context changes. She will be "alone" and if she perseverates using Kavanaugh as her target, an experienced interviewer/prosecutor is likely to uncover this.

In order for Judge Kavanaugh to issue a reliable denial, he must be brought to a specific allegation that took place in a specific time and location. Otherwise, he cannot respond.

Also, politicians behind Dr. Ford have insisted that the accused speak first.

This is not only a perversion of justice, but will not permit him to have psychological engagement with an accusation. He cannot deny that which he is not accused of.

The leftist theme of "I believe women" is to harm genuine victims of sexual assault. It is the ultimate "crying wolf" at the expense of those who have suffered most.

Leftism is not about any singular issue, nor is it a moral cause. It is about the psychological need to control. This is why the moral or ethical code can change rapidly in culture. It is why we often hear adult core values appear to change. These core adult values do not really change. In private, the same person will revert to his or her comfort level. This is why you hear "I support the LGBT community!" while privately holding homosexuals in contempt.

The core adult value is outwardly sacrificed for the sake of control and imposition.

It is why violence is indicated; historically and presently.

It is why normally civil people can begin to harass and stalk someone at a restaurant. When others gather (or are called), mob psychology takes over and the results can be lethal.

It is why Leftism makes the unnecessary claim of "tolerance"; as it is intolerant. It is both "unnecessary" and "moralizing." If it was tolerant, it would need no such claim.

Everything is political now, because control is insatiable and it is competitive.

This is why we see the almost comedic "who is the most outraged?" contest of competition among news pundits, college kids or others.

They are the soft targets for politicians. By making everything in life, including our private lives, social lives, sex lives, nutrition, etc, part of politics, nothing is neutral. Today we cannot even watch sports or listen to music without the need to tell us what "correct thinking" (and speaking) looks like.,

With the psychological need for control, we've seen a rapid departure from classic liberalism (freedom of speech, college debates, irreverent humor, etc) to extremism.

Disagreement with the current status quo is met with claims of extremism and hyperbole. If you do not like the president, make him the verbal equivalent of a tyrant guilty of killing tens of millions of people. Mike Pence said he believes in marriage as defined for human history. The media responded claiming he would "round up gays and put them in concentration camps." This has a psychological numbing affect on most, yet can impact others to respond in violence.
Controlling the Thoughts of Others

With the psychological need to control, tolerance cannot be permitted. This is why debate is considered "hate speech" and "unsafe for college kids."

Once deeply respected by classic liberalism, disagreement and scientific scrutiny is now silenced with "hate speech." Those who do not study history fail to understand that "no taxation without representation" was both hate speech and put lives, freedom, homes, property, family, etc, in harm's way.

The indoctrination in American colleges is escalating.

Learning is about confrontation and taking us out of our comfort level.

In mental health facilities, signs are posted to "celebrate your reality" which, too, has its consequences. As those who wish to counter acute mental health issues, they risk their professional standing and even their license, by the crowd "shouting" to control diverse thought.

The comparison to the small sample in New England (and Europe) of the "Salem Witch Hunt" of hysteria, guilt by crowd, and pervasion of justice is an appropriate thematic comparison.

It does not render an opinion on the testimony, but demands adherence instead. It is contrary to both justice and to freedom.

There are examples here of genuine victims' language indicating veracity followed by examples of fraudulent claims of victim status following closely behind.

Analysts here do pro bono work for genuine female victims of sexual abuse. The data base of language is continually growing. Specialized training for Sex Crimes Units helps identify genuine victims, even when recalling dissociative events, which mirrors deception. I still fail to quantify the life long suffering of such victims. Adding the "boy who cried wolf" element to genuine victims by false claims and the politicians who exploit them, increases suffering.

Working with victims has often put me at odds with advocates. The zealousness of the advocate, including in "helping" write affidavits in support of protection orders, relies upon deception or exaggeration. Its toll is predictable. Genuine victims do not need to deceive, which can destroy their entire case for safety.

The fraudulent claim against Kavanaugh, combined with the orchestrated outbursts, theatrics ("I am Spartacus") and the claim that a "woman must be believed" has consequence far beyond this small moment in history. Major League Baseball will suspend a player on an accusation by a woman, without adjudication. Where will this lead? To whom will the ultimate control rest?

As the subject, Dr. Christine Ford, indicated her motive as political, it would be disingenuous to ignore it. Those who claim personal offense at such likely need to read elsewhere in news, blogs or websites where they can read without offense.

Although Judge Kavanaugh claimed he was telling the truth, we need to hear a Reliable Denial coupled with this buttress of telling the truth, to know with certainty.

He cannot issue a RD without a specific allegation. He must be brought psychologically close to the event by the language of the accuser in order to address it.

The analysis shows Dr. Ford is deceptive and politically motivated. It is only if she issues a direct accusation that the accused can answer us.
 
Good rant, Zaphod. I find this whole partisan cultural war thing to be increasingly draining. If it wasn't for this place here, I would probably get sucked into it completely. How many people out there are completely helpless in the face of this madness?

I mean, yes, it's good that there is this conservative backlash against all this liberal nonsense, so there is a place for partisan culture wars. But it all distracts from "simple karmic understandings", from basic human values, from truth and understanding. All nuances are destroyed between the front lines and people find themselves lost, drained and paralyzed. It almost seems as if it was designed that way :huh:
 
How many people out there are completely helpless in the face of this madness?

Yup, that's the biggest problem.

The second biggest problem is when you start to understand what's going on, and then take it too far in the wrong direction...

Like MGTOW, or "let's have Sharia law!", or Conservatism is the answer to Liberalism, and that kind of thing.

One must always be careful and avoid playing "Spot the psychopath"...

Fear (and the tendency to generalize) is the path to the Dark Side! ;-D
 
Yup, that's the biggest problem.

The second biggest problem is when you start to understand what's going on, and then take it too far in the wrong direction...

Like MGTOW, or "let's have Sharia law!", or Conservatism is the answer to Liberalism, and that kind of thing.

One must always be careful and avoid playing "Spot the psychopath"...

Fear (and the tendency to generalize) is the path to the Dark Side! ;-D

I'm mostly in agreement, however, I'd offer this. I can understand exactly how the MGTOW movement has come about and actually dismissing their validity is something even Peterson managed to trip himself up on not so long ago. His original position of them being basement dwellers and failures with women, with no real validity to their argument, was rather comprehensively corrected by Miss Straughan.


The problem you have is that with the legal system and societal structures in general, so heavily favouring women over men in almost all situations - and you have to look no further than the egregiously one-sided nature of the divorce courts to see how much of a problem this can represent for men - MGTOW's position is that men should simply leave the table entirely, as the engagement with women has become too dangerous for men to rationally contemplate taking a part in. MGTOW is not so much an attack on women, if at all - but more, the sane response to an insane situation
 
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Ya know, this whole thing had me befuddled for quite awhile. But then a few things occurred to me...

It's pretty clear that the trend is that men are supposed to be more feminine, and women are supposed to be more masculine. This long process has come to a head in the form of: Gender is fluid! Yeah androgyny! Down with evil manliness!

Obviously, that's not going to work.

The majority of Planet Earth consists of hetero men and women. If these issues aren't resolved, there will be no more human race (taken to its logical extreme, anyway).

When it comes to women, the idea du jour is that women should be "empowered". But what does that mean? Well, Killary Clinton is a good example. She's a real empowered woman, right? Sure, if you think that the kind of "empowerment" that society is promoting these days for women is a good thing. You can accuse anyone of anything, and you win! Great!

But have you ever thought about why Killary is so repulsive? I mean, physically she's no supermodel, but still... And then, it hit me: because she's a masculine woman. She's a politician, in a "man's world", doing "man things". This is supposed to be a good thing, but actually she's hideous. She is quite possibly worse than many male politicians... and she STILL lost the election. That's actually beautiful in several ways...

How about men? Well, we're supposed to be "in touch with our feelings", more emotional, less rational, and we're supposed to lay back and be househusbands and let women run and do everything in the world. IOW, we're feminine men.

The problem is that biologically, hetero women don't like feminine men, and hetero men don't like masculine women.

What to do?

Well, all the feminized men are sitting around practically paralyzed because they "can't" do what men normally do: think rationally about problems and then solve them. They're all sitting around waiting for women to stand up and say, "No! ENOUGH! We want real men!"

Put another way, that's what happens when you take the "man" out of men: they sit around, get fat and lazy, and wait for someone else to solve the problem.

Eh, yeah, that's never gonna happen.

That's why Jordan Peterson is so popular, IMO. Even those women who initially were repelled by JP ended up liking the guy. There are several reasons for this, but the primary one is because he's trying to fix men. Initially, I suspect many women didn't like that idea because "empowerment" is fun - even if it isn't actually being used by that particular person.

But anyone with 2 neurons in contact with one another can see that things cannot keep going the way they've been going. It's the ultimate "mess with their heads" maneuver from whatever level, because biological sex determines many, many things about a person. Screw that up, and NO ONE feels comfortable in their own skin - all the while we're being told that because some people don't feel comfy in their own skin, then everyone should suffer. Now we're all screwed up, and no one can do anything. YAY!

Things are getting WAAAAY out of hand when a man's entire life can be obliterated by the mere accusation of some fooling around back when he was 17. What, should we all just go turn ourselves in at the local police station for rape?! Gimme a break.

Everyone thinks that JP's message is primarily for men, but it's not. It's also equally for women. It's just that the way to go about it differs depending on whether you're a man or a woman. Since masculine men are lacking, he works to turn men back into men. The number of women who "follow" him and attend his lectures is naturally lower, but the numbers are still significant.

He's hoping that by getting men to fix themselves, that will make them happier and more productive. That will naturally lead to happier hetero women. This thought is generally poo-pooed because of this idea of "equality", but there is nothing that says that women will lose in the equality department should men act like men and women act like women again.

I think a large part of that assumption is the simple fact that both sexes have kind of forgotten what it means to act like their gender. Besides, legal equality and harmony in intergender relations are two very different things, and they are NOT superglued together as the Lefty Loons would have us all believe. They're simply afraid of losing the actual inequality they have created that now works in their favor - but not in favor of the average man or woman.

Women can have as many rights as men, and they'll still choose a strong, confident provider more often than not. They'll also still choose nurturing, social professions more than men. More men will choose STEM careers. For crying out loud, we all do what we're good at. The problem is not how many of which gender are in some profession; the problem is how we as a society value those contributions. Nowadays, we're doing it all wrong.

If you say that giving birth, being a housewife, and raising children is less important than being CEO of a giant company, then we have two problems:
1. You're an idiot
2. You just insulted my mother (prepare to die)

Personally, I would much rather have a woman as a nurse. For doctors, I'm 50/50. But for surgery I would prefer a man. Surgery is like repairing a car, and has far less to do with being social or nurturing or caregiving.

Anyway, I think these problems will begin to "sort themselves out" in the near future. I think it has already started.

Probably the best thing any of us can do to help it along is to stop thinking about all of this in the ways that society has imprinted upon us, and to simply start re-evaluating who we are and who we want to be. There's no need to blame this side or that, because all are equally responsible.

When we can see the chaos this is all causing, and we strongly suspect that it's part of "divide and conquer" on some level, then the only course of action is a Do-Over.

Besides, we're supposed to be understanding our own drives. Maybe part of the problem as to why this if often so difficult is because we didn't realize the extent to which our most core bio/psycho/social identity has been thoroughly messed up.

It's also a golden opportunity to become better versions of men and women that understand much more about what makes us all tick, and how best to deal with it.

Just posting as a thank you for the time put in to that top class reply. I certainly can't argue with any of it
 
Yup, that's the biggest problem [growth opportunity]. One must always be careful and avoid playing "Spot the psychopath"...
(Too vague / undefined.

Always scan for antagonistic, predatory, or outright pathological and/or psychopathic behavior that is more-or-less service to self at the careless expense of others—much easier / simpler that way.)
 
MGTOW is not so much an attack on women, if at all - but more, the sane response to an insane situation

From a certain perspective, it's totally sane and understandable. In the goofiest of Western societies, things are pretty bad. When you see Peterson's popularity among young men especially, well, you don't even need to do the math.

At the same time, there are different degrees of MGTOW. There are those like Karen Straughan's guy who were very seriously burned in every conceivable way. Had I gone through what he did, I wouldn't want to even look at a woman again. There are also MGTOWs who like to just say things like, "F*ck those b*tches! All women are wh*res! Run!" Well, obviously, that's more of a basic emotional reaction. While understandable in many cases, it's not very productive in the long run.

And then, look at Straughan's flame: He apparently almost committed suicide (twice) due to his ordeal (he was saved the first time by a homeless guy, I think), and yet here he is together now with her. If anyone could understandably generalize and swear like a drunken sailor at women, he'd be it. And yet, there he is!

I think many men simply go along with MGTOW because it makes them feel powerful again. Some are probably more "rabid" about it for awhile, and then they might meet someone new...

Thing is, it's one thing to feel powerful, and another to actually be powerful. And then it's another thing entirely to be powerful while also sharing that power with another person because it's not just about you.

This whole idea that the man always has to be the Boss, or no no, it's actually the woman who is always covertly running the show, "Who really wears the pants here," blah blah blah... It's all retarded.

Never mind that if you feel the need to "show" that you're the boss, then you're not the boss.

What the heck kind of relationship do two people have if they're constantly battling to determine who the "leader" is?

And finally, why is it ever about "power"? Shouldn't it be about realizing our power/influence over another, and vice versa, but never needing to use it because we want something more than just fun and games?

It all very quickly devolves into "us vs. them", when it should be "us and them". But in order for the "vs" to become an "and", we need a more complete understanding of both "us" and "them" - both of which are sorely lacking/corrupted these days.
 
Predators come in many flavors. Some love to play the poor me card and feed on sympathy to get into a position to mess you up. Kavanaugh is too politically biased to be appropriate for the supreme court, and he has said some rather unconstitutional things over the years. The supreme court, and US courts are supposed to be free of that. It goes without saying that judges are often sociopaths (all that power over another's life is soo appealing). Nevermind, the circus of the hearings and investigation ... he is simply unfit for the role. That has nothing to do with my liberal upbringing. I would not vote for Hillary because the last thing our founding fathers wanted were dynasties. She should never been allowed to run in the first place.

I find it alarming how much racism/counter racism, sexism/counter sexism and just all around tribal identity politics and all that has cropped up in the US. I personally like strong women. Our genders have nothing to do with what we are qualified for. Personally, I like strong women ... I want a partner, preferably with thoughts and opinions that challenge me to grow, and with similar emotional baggage so we speak the same language. And what really is a strong person? Someone who really knows who they are, as well as their strengths and limitations.

I hope looking up MGTOW didn't glitch this (on a tablet). Okay, that's a weird thing WTF. Makes one wonder about the women that gave birth to these men. I have had some messed up ex's in my past I don't go around hatong on women. Hell, I've been a messed up ex myself in the past, the ex's I am still in touch with don't go around hating on men.

Aren't we supposed to learn from our parents ... not just qhat they did right, but also what the did wrong. It isn't so much that men are supposed to to become more feminine or women more masculine ... androgynous? Choice word. I.e. divine androgynous as in becoming a complete person that sees yourself as a person and not a gender.

It goes way beyond that though. We have serious problems in the world at large and we can't even elect resonable people. Failing infrastructures, failing economic policies, messed up environmental practices, flawed educational systems etc and we are still stuck on gender and race of all stupid things.

Sorry about the rant ... kinda irked with the world today.
 
I never heardnof mgtow, or at least bothered to look it up till now ... weird. Another weird form of tribalism ... to mich us vs them on all fronts.
 
Thing is, it's one thing to feel powerful, and another to actually be powerful. And then it's another thing entirely to be powerful while also sharing that power with another person because it's not just about you.

This whole idea that the man always has to be the Boss, or no no, it's actually the woman who is always covertly running the show, "Who really wears the pants here," blah blah blah... It's all retarded.

Never mind that if you feel the need to "show" that you're the boss, then you're not the boss.

What the heck kind of relationship do two people have if they're constantly battling to determine who the "leader" is?

I mostly agree, but this is one point which somewhat sticks in the craw. I'm not so sure it's right to dismiss this dynamic between men and women as being 'retarded'. JP, as a for instance, has often spoken about hierarchies and how they're an innate aspect of human engagement. Where two or more people engage with each other, a hierarchy will form, one way or another. It's absolutely inevitable and sometimes brutal - but it will happen.

I'd also add your earlier comment about how women don't want men who don't behave like men and vice-versa, with Hillary being a perfect example to underline the point. I totally agree. But the implication is that our gender roles are therefore an important aspect of reproductive evolution and whether men and women are going to gain successful reproductive advantage over their respective peer groups or not. And that's a lifelong battle as long as you're fertile, that your part of, like it or not. The boss of a multinational company gets far more sexual opportunities than the quiet house-husband who changes nappies (diapers), and where that boss stands in the hierarchy of power is the primary reason for that disparity

So it seems for men this doesn't only appear to be important, it actually is - it correlates to their statistical likelihood of continuing their genetic line. This is complicated by a zeitgeist that's determined to derogatorily paint men who assert their authority in a relationship as being misogynistic, and women who assert their authority as being admirable aspirations for 50% of the populace.. and the rather unfortunate opinions of the majority of the heteronormative populace is that they want men and women just as they traditionally are.

So both are being encouraged to adopt the roles that least appeal to the opposite sex, and are least likely to result in continuing their genetic line - and this is being played out in micro-scale, in relationships which statistically are increasingly failing, and ending up in broken marriages, homes, and broken children who go on to form broken adults
 
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