Bush Submits New Terror Detainee Bill

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http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2006/07/28/bush_submits_new_terror_detainee_bill/

By Anne Plummer Flaherty
The Associated Press

Friday 28 July 2006

Washington -U.S. citizens suspected of terror ties might be detained indefinitely and barred from access to civilian courts under legislation proposed by the Bush administration, say legal experts reviewing an early version of the bill.

A 32-page draft measure is intended to authorize the Pentagon's tribunal system, established shortly after the 2001 terrorist attacks to detain and prosecute detainees captured in the war on terror. The tribunal system was thrown out last month by the Supreme Court.

Administration officials, who declined to comment on the draft, said the proposal was still under discussion and no final decisions had been made.

Senior officials are expected to discuss a final proposal before the Senate Armed Services Committee next Wednesday.

According to the draft, the military would be allowed to detain all "enemy combatants" until hostilities cease. The bill defines enemy combatants as anyone "engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners who has committed an act that violates the law of war and this statute."

Legal experts said Friday that such language is dangerously broad and could authorize the military to detain indefinitely U.S. citizens who had only tenuous ties to terror networks like al Qaeda.

"That's the big question ... the definition of who can be detained," said Martin Lederman, a law professor at Georgetown University who posted a copy of the bill to a Web blog.

Scott L. Silliman, a retired Air Force Judge Advocate, said the broad definition of enemy combatants is alarming because a U.S. citizen loosely suspected of terror ties would lose access to a civilian court - and all the rights that come with it. Administration officials have said they want to establish a secret court to try enemy combatants that factor in realities of the battlefield and would protect classified information.

The administration's proposal, as considered at one point during discussions, would toss out several legal rights common in civilian and military courts, including barring hearsay evidence, guaranteeing "speedy trials" and granting a defendant access to evidence. The proposal also would allow defendants to be barred from their own trial and likely allow the submission of coerced testimony.

Senior Republican lawmakers have said they were briefed on the general discussions and have some concerns but are awaiting a final proposal before commenting on specifics.

Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and Deputy Defense Secretary Gordon England are expected to discuss the proposal in an open hearing next Wednesday before the Senate Armed Services Committee. Military lawyers also are scheduled to testify Wednesday before the Senate Judiciary Committee.

The legislation is the administration's response to a June 29 Supreme Court decision, which concluded the Pentagon could not prosecute military detainees using secret tribunals established soon after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. The court ruled the tribunals were not authorized by law and violated treaty obligations under the Geneva Conventions, which established many international laws for warfare.

The landmark court decision countered long-held assertions by the Bush administration that the president did not need permission from Congress to prosecute "enemy combatants" captured in the war on terror and that al Qaeda members were not subject to Geneva Convention protections because of their unconventional status.

"In a time of ongoing armed conflict, it is neither practicable nor appropriate for enemy combatants like al Qaeda terrorists to be tried like American citizens in federal courts or courts-martial," the proposal states.

The draft proposal contends that an existing law - passed by the Senate last year after exhaustive negotiations between the White House and Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz. - that bans cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment should "fully satisfy" the nation's obligations under the Geneva Conventions.

Sen. John W. Warner, R-Va., chairman of the Armed Services Committee, said Friday he expects to take up the detainee legislation in September.
And don't think it won't pass unless America takes to the streets.

Bush and Blair and the gang do whatever they like, bulldoze laws into place, or ignore them, and then their "greek chorus" in the media, and their enablers in the judiciary just rubber stamp what they do.

THIS is the biggest problem.

The very organs that ought to support accountability have been totally co-opted.

Israel - by way of Jews loyal to the Zionist agenda - controls the media.

They control other things as well.

Consider the control of the telephone system in the U.S.... Israeli. In short, long before 911, they had the ways and means to blackmail anyone in this country, INCLUDING CONGRESS.

Then consider what Paul Craig Roberts wrote about Bush's illegal spying...

Bush's acts of illegal domestic spying are gratuitous because there are no valid reasons for Bush to illegally spy. The Foreign Intelligence Services Act gives Bush all the power he needs to spy on terrorist suspects. All the administration is required to do is to apply to a secret FISA court for warrants. The Act permits the administration to spy first and then apply for a warrant, should time be of the essence. The problem is that Bush has totally ignored the law and the court.

Why would President Bush ignore the law and the FISA court? It is certainly not because the court in its three decades of existence was uncooperative. According to attorney Martin Garbus (New York Observer, 12-28-05), the secret court has issued more warrants than all federal district judges combined, only once denying a warrant.

Why, then, has the administration created another scandal for itself on top of the WMD, torture, hurricane, and illegal detention scandals?

There are two possible reasons.

One reason is that the Bush administration is being used to concentrate power in the executive. The old conservative movement, which honors the separation of powers, has been swept away. Its place has been taken by a neoconservative movement that worships executive power.

The other reason is that the Bush administration could not go to the FISA secret court for warrants because it was not spying for legitimate reasons and, therefore, had to keep the court in the dark about its activities.

What might these illegitimate reasons be? Could it be that the Bush administration used the spy apparatus of the US government in order to influence the outcome of the presidential election?

Could we attribute the feebleness of the Democrats as an opposition party to information obtained through illegal spying that would subject them to blackmail?
When Roberts suggests "What might these illegitimate reasons be? Could it be that the Bush administration used the spy apparatus of the US government in order to influence the outcome of the presidential election? "

... he doesn't really go the full distance. What if the illegal spying is to gain complete control of government and judiciary? Everybody has dirty laundry, and if you have that information, you can control about anything. The only people you can't control are those who are "clean" and we can guess from the way things are going in the U.S. and UK, just about everybody is "dirty."

Americans turned out in record numbers to vote in the last election. They NEVER do that unless they are unhappy with the status quo. The exit polls and evidence of vote tampering suggests strongly that Bush did not win the election... (which is not to say that Kerry was any better choice!)

So, not only do they have control of congress and the judiciary, they also control the votes... As Stalin said, it's not who votes that counts, it's who counts the votes. And with control of congress and the judiciary AND the support of the Israeli owned media, there is NO possibility of them being made accountable for ANY of their crimes.

So, considering the cards that the Neocons are holding in terms of illegal spying, I think we need to be realistic and understand that even the next election is not going to change anything.

Oh, they may make a show of running Jeb Bush for president, or even some dark horse we don't know about. But with the controls this cabal has already, there is ZERO possibility of fundamental change in course.

That's the problem we are facing and 911 is the single best leverage we have to DO something about it IF it is utilized efficiently.
 
Laura said:
According to the draft, the military would be allowed to detain all "enemy combatants" until hostilities cease.
This is pretty scary, even for those living outside of the US. I remeber reading scores of statements by memebers of congress and high ranking military US military personnel as well as UK MP's and military officials satting that the "War on Terror" may never be won completely. So in a nutshell this bill is saying tht they have a right to imprison people for life (meaning their whole life here on the big blue marble) so long as the pathocracy suspect there to be terror ties.

Laura said:
U.S. citizens suspected of terror ties might be detained indefinitely and barred from access to civilian courts
Going by there track record on treatment of people like Cindy Sheehan and others in the US who do no more than simply protest the war of error and utilise their right to free speech, I wouldn't put it past them to start classifying protestors to the WoT as enemy combatants by claiming they are hurting the morale of the people involved in the war effort. In fat to be honest, Im suprised these psychopaths haven't already done so. I say this as I have read a few comments in a few US MSM press sources again quoting officials in con-gress as saying that Sheehan is damaging the war effort with her (rightfull) protests, so I wouldn't put it past them to start locking up the dissenters by claiming that they can't fight the WoT with all these people protesting and getting in the way (by maybe waking up the sheeple more than they would like).

In the quoted line above about civlians suspected of terrorism ties, I get the feeling from the wording, that they may be saying "we don't need any evidence, all we need are suspicions, and we will hold you indefinetley until we see fit to do anything close to bringing you before ANY type of court, secret or not".

I'm starting to think now that the Pathocracy has such a far reaching level of controll on most societies, that even mass protests and civil unrest would do little to stop their nefarious plans, and in fact may play precisely into their greedy hands (for example by giving them a plausible way of spinning a reason for martial law to the remaining sleeping sheeple).

I try not let this world and the Pathocracy and it's controll "get to me", or bring me down, but sometimes in the face of all this I feel the line spoken by King Theodon in The LOTR - Two Towers really rings true "what can men do in the face of such wreckless hate". I guess in the end, all we can do is to try and never stop trying, and cling on to the fools hope that it may one day make a difference.
 
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