Cabala and Astrology

[nate]

Is there any book that teaches about kabala or cabala. Not sure which one teaches the real one. And also astrology.

Thanks.

 

[shijing]

Is there any book that teaches about kabala or cabala. Not sure which one teaches the real one. And also astrology.

Maybe it would be good for you to describe what you have found so far on your own, and more specifically what you're interested in in regard to these two subjects?

 

[RyanX]

Is there any book that teaches about kabala or cabala. Not sure which one teaches the real one. And also astrology.

Thanks.

Nathaniel,

Have you read Laura's book Secret History of the World yet? There is a section in there that discusses the differences between kabala and cabala, I believe.

 

[dannybananny]

Nathaniel,

Have you read Laura's book Secret History of the World yet? There is a section in there that discusses the differences between kabala and cabala, I believe.

I think that is in the Wave series!

 

[Mountain Crown]

From Cassiopaea Glossary:

Cabala vs. Kabbalah

Cabala is Fulcanelli's term for a special use of language, drawing on phonetic similarities and other symbolic techniques for expanding the expressive reach of words. This is related to the Green Language or Language of the Birds of the alchemists.

Kabbalah is the Hebrew body of mystical tradition which contains techniques such as gematria, notariqon and temura, drawing on numeric equivalences of letters, numerology, permutations of letters, forming new texts by picking first letters of words and other such text manipulation. The Tree of Life and its sefirath are also part of this tradition. Kabbalah is most often applied to the Hebrew text of the Torah.

After a fashion, both are techniques for deriving additional meaning from text. However, practicing each draws on a radically different faculty of the mind. Kabbalah is mechanical and rigidly formal, whereas cabala is unpredictable, creative, rich in texture of symbolic meaning.

In Gurdjieff's terminology, kabbalah can be practiced by the formatory apparatus, whereas cabala requires the interplay of abstract thought and visual, auditory and emotional functions.

Fulcanelli writes that phonetic cabala is the key to understanding alchemical texts and symbols. Cabala combined with study of word roots configures the mind so as to have a richer set of associations to draw from and expands the semantic space open for contemplation.

Ultimately, this expansion of the faculty of language can reverse the 'babel' effect of confusion of tongues by connecting to a level of thought from which individual languages are only partial projections.

In contrast with this, kabbalah occupies one with tedious calculations which can just as easily be performed by computer. This has indeed been done, with the result of finding all kinds of 'hidden content' from the Bible, as well as from any other large body of text. The findings seem to be artifacts of probability and involve no particular conscious work. From a nearly forgotten practice, kabbalah rose in the 12-13th centuries to a prominent status in Western esoteric circles. Laura Knight-Jadczyk suggests that this may have been a deliberate maneuver to send centuries worth of seekers chasing their tails.

See Secret History, Fulcanelli

The practice of cabala can disclose meaning in alchemical text, but what may be even more important, it is an exercise which is its own reward, as it generally enhances one's language abilities and enriches one's semantic space. This is a part of connecting the human mind to the Platonic plane of ideas.

The notion of semantic continuum is discussed in the Grail and Adventures series at the Cassiopaea web site. Fulcanelli's books are prime examples of multilayered language and cabala.

See Green Language, Language of the Birds, Alchemical Terminology.

 

[Meager1]

Laura Knight-Jadczyk suggests that this may have been a deliberate maneuver to send centuries worth of seekers chasing their tails.

I am probably still chasing my tail as well, and if this post is way off topic I apologize for it.

Seems there is a lot of disinformation in this "odd little video" below and I hope that there are not people out there accepting it at face value.

The stories in rock, or "certain rocks" are very real.
These rocks do not however, contain any written "language" that would take anyone three years in order to decipher a few paragraphs. That is total bs.

The only language used, is in the form of pictures, exactly like our modern day photographs and these are contained within the rock itself.
I don`t know anything about the Cabala/Kabbalah or any of that, and even though there are certain symbols in rocks there is no ancient "written language" that needs to be deciphered to create myths, or whatever this person is suggesting in the video.

We do not need to crack open any rocks to expose pages as suggested either.

If it is a "picture" rock, the picture is not only on the surface but all the way through the rock itself and doesn`t have to be taken apart as if to display the "pages" in a book. Though even Richard Shaver thought that.

The rock is the book.
Many of the ancient stories of the "native" people have come from the picture stories seen in some rocks.
They have read the pictures and retold the stories, no specific language is needed to understand a picture, and one picture is worth a thousand words in any language.

A perfect photograph of that "Egyptian light bulb" thingy for instance, can be seen on a rock wall in Utah along with the "folks" operating it!

Sure, it has been covered with abstract "indian" drawings, but if you look beneath those the rest of the story is still there.
How this was done to the rocks, or who did it, remains a mystery even to the native Americans.
Could it be something left over from ancient Atlantian technology, an interdimensional art form, or some perfectly natural cause that recorded pictures in solid rock?
There are just to many questions about ancient rock technology that no one can answer, and this guy in the video isn`t even close to it.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmKUCBPqkwQ

 

[Buddy]

Is there any book that teaches about kabala or cabala. Not sure which one teaches the real one. And also astrology.

Thanks.

It is very difficult to talk about alchemy - or even 'flexible thinking' - in English (or any similar language). This is because English is based on nouns, which are fixed categories or boxes that things get sorted into. Genuine alchemy appears to be more concerned with process and action - of the mind as much as anything the mind is studying.

In the U.S., a Native American un-ponerized by cultural influences outside their own culture might understand it easily. Especially Hopi or Cree, whose languages consists mainly of 'verbs' whose purpose is to do just that: communicate "process and action".

English just didn't evolve to say those kinds of things. So, it seems to me, alchemists had to resort to a kind of poetic allegory to communicate with other alchemists.

In my view, which is consistent with Jerry's post from the glossary, the Cabala consists of the 'bits' that represent the understandings and communication style of the real alchemists - the creative thinkers capable of using their full inductive ability just like any genuinely creative artist.

Creative artists of all kinds begin by using inductive thinking. They approach their subject with an open mind (or sometimes notice something that they weren't expecting to see), and allow themselves to form an impression of what is happening. They strive to find the essence of whatever it is they are looking at, and express it in as economical way as they can manage, converting a mass of superficial richness into a succinct essence.

When literal minded non-alchemists got their hands on the poetic letters, they couldn't make sense of what they read, so they announced that the alchemists were obsessed with secrecy and communicated in gobbledegook code and stuff. In my view, the Kabala basically represents 'alchemy' from the point of view of people stuck in rigid thought modes and a kind of 'focused' attention that can't see the wider, deeper picture.

It may even represent a kind of deliberate 'Disinfo' to send ponerized idiots (excuse the term) of the time, running away to play in their own indulgences and leave the real workers in peace so they can do their work. (See any collection of Dilbert comics for the idea expressed in a modern way, within a software engineering context and in a cartoon format :)).

Because they have seen things very differently, from a deeper and wider perspective, the real alchemists's ideas have often been misunderstood.

I imagine that when people get good at real alchemy they start seeing all sorts of hidden truths about the universe. Look at Newton for example, inventing calculus and using it to write down the hidden laws that determine where all the planets will swing to as they move around the sky. Consider the Middle East cultural context in which some of the alchemists were working, and then notice where things like astronomy and algebra, as well as the words alchemy, algebra and algorithm (I believe the numbers we use came from India via the Arabs, and most of the bright stars have Arabic names) came from.

During the current millenia, humanity in general has been operating within a very limited framework, cognitively speaking, due to all sorts of reasons, from 'social conditioning', 'public education', neuro-toxins, to diet, etc., etc. Yet there seems to have always been a few who were able to keep the wider perspective. By bringing new ideas from outside, these people have had profound effects on our culture, stimulating it to evolve and grow, laying the foundations that help people find their way out of their 'darkness' with the useful side effects of getting the laws of motion, optics, general relativity and quantum mechanics developing to fruition.

From this perspective, Laura's work, as a historical synthesist, can be "seen" as the work of a genuine alchemist. So, Nathaniel, if you want to figure out alchemy, I recommend starting your journey to full consciousness with the Work as she has laid it out here.

As an aside, I think great scientists do not proceed by just doing lots of sums, or mechanically grinding out theory after theory filled with "therefores". Nor do they look at some phenomena and then categorize it away based on already learned knowledge or assumptions. They look, they see, they guess, they test and they are usually motivated by a sense of beauty like any great artist. They, also, are alchemists in the deepest sense of the word, OSIT.

Laura Knight-Jadczyk suggests that this [kabbalah] may have been a deliberate maneuver to send centuries worth of seekers chasing their tails.

I agree. :)


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