Can STO initiate first contact ?

[agni]

In the past, before I was aware of STS/STO concept, in several occasions, I had very powerful "voice" within popup on several occasions telling me to stop what I was doing immidiatly or I will be in a great danger. (in regards to sex and consumption of mj). Now, I am little bit more aware of these activities and what is behind it.

But what was behind the "voice" ? STS or STO ? I still have a problem to figure out. First thought this is STS since someone was "instructing" me not to do something, but at the same time it seems to be valid "warning", which makes me think it's STO. But again, I have a great deal of a doubt, would STO really warn me of it an consequences ?

 

[Appollynon]

I understand your predicament here Agni. If I had experienced the same type of thing, I would tend to question deeply where that voice was coming from, or what orientation it may have...is it a benevolent voice keeping me safe from harm, or a negative voice keeping me from experiencing thing I came here to experience?

I'm not sure I have a good enough understanding of the dynamics of STO/STS and how they work to offer any real advice, but from what I think I have understood so far, is that STO take the stance of non-interefence in a soul units learning experience in our world. As the C's say, "all are lessons", however if you have consiously or sub-consiously asked for help (and not control or being led by the hand) then it may be posible that some form of STO being is trying to communicate through you.

To be honest the more I think about this, the more I tend to think it may be more likely to be an STS voice if it is indeed a voice from either type of being. After writing what I have above I thought, "wait a minute, would a being of STO polarity really use a human body in any way to communicate, without being directly and consiously asked to do so"? Im not sure they would, it sounds more like something a being of STS polarity would do without being asked, as they look upon our bodies and souls as their own property to do with what they like. Also the fact that the voice is trying to tell you to either do, or not do something speaks to me of control, and of not letting you un-biasedly experience whatever it is you were about to experience for yourself.

Of course this voice could simply be part of your own sub-consious rising to the surface of your consious mind, maybe one of your inner "I's" taking over your thought process.

What was the voice like? Was it a voice you recognised, male/female, did it hav an accent? Also what did you feel on the occasions when you either obeyed or disobeyed what this voice was telling you to stop?

 

[Guest]

I'll tell you this, after four years of bizzare visions, neg attacks, and lots of meditation, I'm only scratching the surface of whats going on in my head. There are many 'flavors' of thoughts pushing and pulling, jostling for attention.
I agree with Appollynon. STO forces tend to inspire to learn for ones self. Thats the nature of free will.
If you asked the C's who and what you were hearing in your head, they would probably say "Go in there and find out for yourself."

 

[agni]

"wait a minute, would a being of STO polarity really use a human body in any way to communicate, without being directly and consiously asked to do so"?

That was my major concern. I am not quite comfortable with an idea about someone approaching me as far as what to do, without a direct request. On top of the, “or you will be in big danger" sounds like threatening suggestion, which I doubt would be STO.

Well, at the time I was quite confused as far as how good or bad these things can be(still, but to lesser extent). I had a feeling these things were not very “beneficial" , but I have a problem to enforce myself to stop or start doing anything, without actually understanding it. I am not very big fan of self-enforcement, I’d rather have things to come naturally through understanding.

When I do not obey, I hear: “How many times we need to repeat this ? We thought you know by now! What are you doing?!" (or something like that), well that results in some sort of guilt (which I think is STS approach to things)

When I obey, nothing really happens, besides me questioning self if I should be making choices without truly understanding it.

How it sounds ? It feels/sounds like an “outer thoughtform" and seems to be not from a single entity. More of a “group" or “union" . It did sound friendly and caring, but I do not base my decisions on that. I know that STS won’t put obvious traps and will go to whatever measures necessary.

Only slight thing that threw me off is “valid suggestion" . But again, I am sure STS will do whatever it takes, even if suggestion is valid.

However, I am tend to think it was STS, or who knows, may be it's just my excuse :)

 

[dantem]

Sometimes the "voice of conscience" originates out of a "paternal figure" hidden in the subconscious.

 

[agni]

dantem, can you elaborate if it's not too much to ask, please ?

 

[jeremyg]

In the past, before I was aware of STS/STO concept, in several occasions, I had very powerful "voice" within popup on several occasions telling me to stop what I was doing immidiatly or I will be in a great danger. (in regards to sex and consumption of mj). Now, I am little bit more aware of these activities and what is behind it.

But what was behind the "voice" ? STS or STO ? I still have a problem to figure out. First thought this is STS since someone was "instructing" me not to do something, but at the same time it seems to be valid "warning", which makes me think it's STO. But again, I have a great deal of a doubt, would STO really warn me of it an consequences ?

You need to go by your inner perception, of course. But I've had similar experiences numerous times. Sometimes it's a warning, sometimes advisory, often an answer to a question in my mind. For myself, I decided that the source was my "guides", whoever they are (4d STO? 6d STO?). The experience was a bit different from yours in a couple of respects.

First, tone. It was totally "neutral", emotionless, and matter-of-fact. A few times it was accompanied by visual images, though usually it's just auditory. I nave no doubt at the time that it's someone else. It's always unexpected, but once they say something, I can ask questions and get answers, usually. I took the tone to indicate that they were not trying to persuade me, just inform. They never insist. And the info is usually verifiable right away, never wrong, and always beneficial to me or to someone else. Thus it supports my own STO intentions.

For example, in 1972 I, like many people I knew, used cocaine casually. One day I heard that voice and saw a graph. The voice told me that if I continued to let the level of cocaine in my blood build up, I would die of heart failure. The graph was of blood level vs. time, and there was a horizontal red line for the lethal level. The black line was steadily climbing toward it. I never touched cocaine again. Not once. And one of my friends, in his 20s, died of heart failure in his bathtub a few weeks later...

One night as I left a friend's house to drive home, I was told "Turn left." I was expecting to turn right, then right again a block later, for a direct route. But I did as instructed. Many blocks later, again, "Turn left." I did. A couple of miles, and another "left". I was going around three sides of a big square. A bit annoyed, I pointed this out, and asked why. "Timing." Now I was headed directly home. I stopped at a red light. Suddenly I heard "Jeremy! Jeremy!" from outside the car. Two of my neighbors, a young couple, were running toward me. "Can we get a ride with you?" I let them in. Then they told me that they were waiting for a bus, not real frequent at 2am, and a pair of muggers had been closing in on them... I had to smile. Then I told them why I was there just then... ;)

On other occasions, the warning has not been verbal, but a sudden knowing. Several times I've been zipping along in the left lane of a freeway, and abruptly slowed as I knew a car in the middle lane was about to change lanes without looking (or signalling). Then watched as it did exactly that.

Sometimes it's another being, not my usual guides. Once I was walking on the beach near sunset, admiring the way the Earth painted the sky using only sunlight and water vapor. And I wondered how "ascension" looked to Mother Earth. At once I was in space, next to her, in her great round body. She was moving forward, focussed on a blue-white star ahead of us, and said "I'm passing through the veils." And I could see them, curtains like auroras, parting as She moved through them. I was awed and grateful that such an immense and beautiful being actually took the time to speak to me...

When I do not obey, I hear: “How many times we need to repeat this ? We thought you know by now! What are you doing?!" (or something like that), well that results in some sort of guilt (which I think is STS approach to things)

Yes, I'd be wary of any comment like that too. Pay close attention to your inner sense of who it is. It may not always be the same sort of entities... When mine "told me what to do" while driving, it was because I have a standing offer to help whoever I can who will benefit from that help. I'm here to serve. So it really was in accord with my request. In that sense, they did not "initiate" contact, just provided information in support of my expressed STO intent.

 

[anart]

Hi. I'm just wondering if you could all clarify if you are talking about actually hearing a distinct voice in your head - or if you're speaking about thoughts that enter your head. There is a very big difference, and if you're hearing distinct voices in your head, that might indicate external 'interference' of some sort, or some sort of deeper issue. Of course, it may not indicate that, but some clarification would help me understand if you're 'hearing voices' or just getting mental impressions about things.

Also, it's my understanding that STO does not 'play chess' - there is no 'interference' or leading, or influence on decisions, although information can be provided if one is sincerely asking. I would be deeply suspect of any information that just 'pops in' - or 'initiates first contact' - fwiw.

 

[agni]

What I refer as “voice" within, is something not of physical nature, it’s a thoughtform, which does not seem to come from me.

 

[brandon]

In some of Carlos Castanedas books - I'm not sure which ones - he talks about an inner voice, which, IIRC, Don Juan tells him can tell you true things which you already know at some level - but cannot tell you anything you don't already know. I think it's talked about somewhere on the Cassiopaea site too..... I can't find the text though. Dunno if that might be the same thing you're talking about or not..

Brandon (my username was BW but i've now made a new account)

 

[ark]

But what was behind the "voice" ? STS or STO ? ?

Both are probably talking to you. It is YOUR duty to distinguish which is which. You will ask: but how?

Ye shall know them by their fruits.

 

[jeremyg]

Hi. I'm just wondering if you could all clarify if you are talking about actually hearing a distinct voice in your head - or if you're speaking about thoughts that enter your head. There is a very big difference, and if you're hearing distinct voices in your head, that might indicate external 'interference' of some sort, or some sort of deeper issue. Of course, it may not indicate that, but some clarification would help me understand if you're 'hearing voices' or just getting mental impressions about things.

For me, information can come in any of the four modes recognized by psychics in general. Those are:
- Visual. This doesn't happen very often for me. Sometimes when it has, an image has appeared as an overlay on what I was seeing normally, like the graph in the incident I described above. Other times, it's been a complete experience that takes place outside of ordinary time, as in the experience with Mother Earth; subjectively, it took around ten seconds, but it also happened within a single step in 3d.
- Auditory. This is more frequent, but not real common. There's definitely a voice, but not one that could have come from another person in 3d; I don't look around to see who spoke. I know who spoke. No, it's not a "deeper issue", LOL! It's just one mode of communication with those who are not embodied. And in a few cases, with those who are embodied, as a form of telepathic communication. Sometimes this is triggered when I ask myself a question, "wonder" about something; then I (unexpectedly) get an answer.
- Tactile. I've done energy-work healing for about 30 years. When I do, my main perception mode has been sensing the energies with my hands, typically at a distance of an inch or two from the skin. The sensation may be of heat or cold, vibration, or pressure; broken bones feel "sharp" at the point of the break. We each have our own codes for sensations we experience; I may feel warmth where another healer feels vibration, but we both have the same sense of the underlying meaning.
- Knowing. This is really my main mode. During healing, when I focus on a particular area of the body, I find that I know what is going on inside. No voice, just information that I didn't have a moment before. Guidance. Sometimes a message for the person I'm working with, one that makes no sense to me but that always does to her. This is the mode in the lane-changing situation described above.

I'd be happy to provide (more) specific examples of these modes, but I don't want to make this post too long... ;)

Also, it's my understanding that STO does not 'play chess' - there is no 'interference' or leading, or influence on decisions, although information can be provided if one is sincerely asking. I would be deeply suspect of any information that just 'pops in' - or 'initiates first contact' - fwiw.

Over the years, I've worked with many, many psychics and healers of all types, and a few trance channels too. I've taken classes and workshops, read numerous books, and had my own guidance at all times. I know the nature of the beings I'm dealing with very well. This isn't intellectual knowledge, though I have plenty of that. It's experiential.

As a healer, I'm "on call" 24/7. That doesn't mean I heal everyone who turns up with a problem, or even everyone who asks. But it does mean everyone I'm directed to work with, provided of course that they consciously consent. A few times, in an emergency when there was no time to ask and the direction was clear, I just did it. I never accept any form of compensation; I make my living writing software.

Since I'm "on call", the messages come through when needed. I'm fine with that. I agree that if a non-healer began getting messages out of the blue, I'd advise careful discernment too. But I really don't think we can make up a set of rules for everyone to follow, least of all around psychic phenomena. There's just too much individual variation.

"By their fruits ye shall know them." All communications I've received have been helpful, never harmful, never negative. When they include information about 3d events, I always check, and the info is always correct. No exceptions, ever. With that sort of track record, since childhood, I really don't question what I get; I trust, and verify. YMMV. ;)

 

[kenlee]

But what was behind the "voice" ? STS or STO ? I still have a problem to figure out. First thought this is STS since someone was "instructing" me not to do something, but at the same time it seems to be valid "warning", which makes me think it's STO. But again, I have a great deal of a doubt, would STO really warn me of it an consequences ?

You might be interested in reading:

http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/lever-effect.htm

One must lean to discriminate. Critical thinking is essential such as applying Occams razor, research, studying results, etc. If your 'higher self' is communicating to you then it stands to reason you will also be 'spammed' to deceive you.

One must not overlook the influences of ordinary technologies such as TV, radio, disinfo on the net, etc., as well as advanced technologies (of which we know little) that are designed to deceive. Critical thinking and applying it to the real three dimensional world in which we live is essential to learn how tomake proper differentiation at all levels. Below are some possibilities to also consider but all must be verified since there is a lot of disinfo out there on these mind control subjects.

For example, there could be acoustic waves created where the cells in your skin act as "little speakers" and thermal variations from modulated microwave signals expand and contract these cells to create acoustic waves over the body. I've known electrical devices (such as toasters) that literally 'talked' from proximity to overmoulated AM transmitters. And that's just a simple example.That's not to say that this is what you are experiencing but it's necesserary to research the deep well of deceptions by the puppet masters.

Here's a flash player on how people may be influenced and this technology is probably ancient compared to what is presently out there.

http://www.livescience.com/php/video/player.php?video_id=brain_robot

Here's some other stuff:
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http://www.raven1.net/uncom.htm

Hyperdirectivity

The directivity, or narrowness, of an acoustic wave generated by a circular transducer is proportional to the ratio of thediameter of the transducer to the wavelength of the sound. So a transducer much larger than the wavelength of the soundcreates a very narrow beam. Audible sound contains wavelengths reaching lengths of severalfeet, so a reasonably sized loudspeaker will always produce avery wide, non-directional source at lower frequencies. The Audio Spotlight, in contrast, outputs short, millimeter sized ultrasonic waves, which form a very narrow beam even in a small transducer, which in turn generates audible sound. The nature of the nonlinear transformation also essentially eliminates sidelobes in the resulting beam, and maintains relatively uniform directivity across the entire audible frequency range.

http://www.surveillanceissues.com/

Media feedback

Yet another form of all too common terrorism is the media feedback of surveillance results. This is often facilitated by the state through MP's, agency personnel etc, who set up the spying, then relay the frequencies or pass on results. How it works is that any unwelcome (though private) comment leads to a response (directly with live TV/radio or later if not).

Your own words/views/thoughts/actions etc are thrown back at you from the surveillance, usually from the appropriate public figure or sector (with or without their knowledge). It often takes the form of a threat. For example, the writers 91 yr old Aunt, who lives at Parramatta, had a turn and was taken to Westmead hospital. The next day, as I prepared to take the final draft of this article to my typing service (near my Aunts home) I listened to the morning radio news. The no.1 item was about a 91 yr old Parramatta woman (not my Aunt) who'd died at Westmead hospital after a bashing outside her home.

Investigation and subsequent reports revealed that the news details were (deliberately) incorrect. "They" search for coincidences, then time and prioritise the reports in an attempt to terrorise their targets. When all else fails they just make it up. The facts are wrong but the intention is clear.

The blame could be with whoever gets the surveillance results (solicited, intercepted etc). That may be a researcher, a writer, editor, stage manager, exec or presenter but all of them know what goes on. The presenter is usually blamed, at least initially. This can lead to the victim looking like an obsessed fan or something; a neat arrangement for discrediting people. Infact many have fallen for this trap. Some have even been wrongly institutionalised as a result of false complaints lodged by criminals/celebrities working for corrupt media empires. Despite the general public's suspicions most don't realise that the media's role in controlling knowledge, perceptions and beliefs extends to this sort of crime (against those who offend their criminal associates).

In any event, taking an undue interest in a non public figure to the point of spying on them (yet refusing to talk to them) reveals the foul intentions of all involved in such practices...and those journos that oppose it are unwelcome in mainstream media circles. So only those who are complicit or silent survive. Therefore, to give these media terrorists the benefit of the doubt, to trust anyone in the mass media once victimized in this manner, is to make a serious error in judgement.

 

[ScioAgapeOmnis]

Since I'm "on call", the messages come through when needed. I'm fine with that. I agree that if a non-healer began getting messages out of the blue, I'd advise careful discernment too. But I really don't think we can make up a set of rules for everyone to follow, least of all around psychic phenomena. There's just too much individual variation.

I could be wrong but it sounds to me that you're making an assumption that you, being a "healer", do not need to practice careful discernment as much as someone who is not a "healer"? I think there are many things that go into achieving STO contact. Your intentions are only one part - but just because you have good intentions in no way increases your chances to contact good guys, and this is proven by the entire new age movement and the majority of religious people in the world - vast majority of both of those groups just want to "help humanity" and "heal" and "save" people. But as Ark said, by their fruits shall you know them.

"By their fruits ye shall know them." All communications I've received have been helpful, never harmful, never negative.

Yeah but how do you define "negative" and "helpful" and "harmful"? Vast majority of new age sources also would describe their communications exactly as you just described yours. I'm not saying they are similar, I'm just saying it to emphasize how important it is to be critical and objective at all times, especially in light of such generally misunderstood/distorted concepts like negative/positive/good/bad/helpful/harmful etc.

When they include information about 3d events, I always check, and the info is always correct. No exceptions, ever. With that sort of track record, since childhood, I really don't question what I get; I trust, and verify. YMMV. ;)

Also, I'm curious, what do you mean when you say you are a "healer"? What sort of healing do you do?

 

[agni]

I want to thank all of you for all the input !

I think ark is right.

I do not think it does matter if it’s STO or STS. What’s important is understanding and what I get out of it. No STS or STO will do a thinking or decisions for me. It’s me who decides.