Canine Bone Cancer

Voyageur

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Today has been a most difficult day with the announcement that our beloved older 10 & 1/2 year old friend/dog/companion has limited choices and the choices are tearing deeply at us in the family knowing the outcome. Jack is a dog, that to be honest, i had resistance to bringing aboard some ten years ago, yet of all the dogs that have been, he has been like no other; expressive, compassionate, joyous, faithful - a gentle soul in a big body. Not only these things, he has had the remarkable ability to so positively affect all who have come to know him.

Approximately three weeks ago he developed a sore shoulder and limped favoring it so. Our veterinarian checked him out; manipulated his front leg and shoulder concluding that it appeared muscular. I should have checked here, yet kept him quite and he improved on a dose of anti-inflammatory. There was a slight relapse where his limp was worse late last week and then it improved again.

Based on the improvement, he, our other dog and i headed out Monday to camp and the vehicle broke down. Getting retrieved and heading back home, Jack seemed just fine, walking on the bush road with vigor and playing with his girlfriend. The next day Jack could hardly walk, limping profoundly. We arranged an appointment with the vet and i drove him there this morning. The vet described the first encounter three weeks ago, thinking that the possibility exists that he could have cancer and pulled out a canine anatomy book to illustrate. He then took him to x-ray, requiring a sedative to do so.

The diagnostic fear was confirmed and the reality of options discussed. Without being a vet, having difficulty reading the x-ray,i can only discern the diagnostics with what objective reality presents; Jack is in great pain.

Here is a very poor photo of the x-ray:



Essentially, just before the shoulder joint, the cancer is in/on the bone, with the likelihood it is also present, to a lesser extend, in the lungs. There looks to be a small separation (this could be part of a disintegrating bone) to the lower left of the joint off the bone.

The prescribed options (not factoring Jack's age) are to threat (with Cemo), remove his leg, which removes the direct cancer and pain, which may reappear in the lungs (a year or so away). Factoring his age and having to bearing 60 % of his weight on one leg, it will not be easy for him. Currently, he is fighting off the remaining sedatives in his system and has had one does of Tramadol. He did finally drink and eat tonight, as well as emptying his bladder and is semi-sleeping.

Here is link photo of him from another thread: http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,13594.msg118680.html#msg118680

All this information came at me fast today and i'm trying to process what to consider, yet his comfort is foremost of mind. HE, if you read this and have any words that i need to think about, i would appreciate it deeply.


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Re: Receiving a most difficult diagnosis today

voyageur said:
Today has been a most difficult day with the announcement that our beloved older 10 & 1/2 year old friend/dog/companion has limited choices and the choices are tearing deeply at us in the family knowing the outcome. Jack is a dog, that to be honest, i had resistance to bringing aboard some ten years ago, yet of all the dogs that have been, he has been like no other; expressive, compassionate, joyous, faithful - a gentle soul in a big body. Not only these things, he has had the remarkable ability to so positively affect all who have come to know him.
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I'm really sorry to hear about your friend voyageur. He sounds like a gentle soul. Hopefully with the help of the network here, you will find a solution.

Take care and give one big hug for me to your wonderful friend. :hug2:
 
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This is a sad and tragic situation. But I think that removing a leg to preserve his life for another year, possibly, would not be understood by a dog to whom you cannot explain it. It would just make that additional year one of pain and suffering. I would explore making him comfortable for as long as possible.
 
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I'm sorry for your little friend voyageur.

Awhile back, logos5x5 shared some research done for his family dog with cancer. Perhaps you'll find some guidance there as to what would make Jack more comfortable. The following sites stood out for me:

The Best Diet for Dogs with Cancer
_http://www.k9medicinals.com/dog-cancer-diet

But the general concepts of a primal diet discussed in the health forum also apply here.

Vitamin C might also be helpful:

Vitamin C improves immune function by enhancing white blood cell function and activity. It also increases the blood levels of interferon (the body's natural antiviral and anti-cancer compound) and antibodies (proteins that destroy foreign material such as bacteria, viruses, and toxins). In fact, many veterinarians (both conventional and holistic) now routinely include vitamin C in their treatment protocols for various illnesses, including canine cancer, infections such as bladder and urinary tract infections, respiratory infections (e.g. kennel cough), and others.

Some veterinarians also suggest giving dogs vitamin C as a preventative and immune booster. For example, vitamin C can be given to dogs before and after vaccination, to feeble and old dogs, to pregnant and lactating dogs, and to those that have been exposed to contagious diseases. Moreover, vitamin C maintains the health of collagen. Therefore, it is also helpful for dogs with arthritis and degenerative joint disease, hip dysplasia, and spinal disorders.

In her book "Four Paws, Five Directions: A Guide to Chinese Medicine for Cats and Dogs", Cheryl Schwartz, DVM, suggests the following dosages for health maintenance:

- Puppies and Small Dogs: 250 mg daily
- Medium-sized Dogs: 500 mg daily
- Large Dogs: 750 mg daily
- Senior Dogs: 500-1,000 mg daily per 40-50 pounds of body weight

DMSO will likely help with Jack's pain as well and as long as he is well hydrated, it won't be a problem if he licks the DMSO off from his shoulder.

Hope this helps.
 
Re: Receiving a most difficult diagnosis today

I am sorry to hear about your furry friend Voyageur.

The natural therapies and dietary recommendations Psyche posted seem like the best solution for now. Taking off his leg seems a bit extreme just to add a year or so to his life. Hugs to you and Jack :hug2:
 
Re: Receiving a most difficult diagnosis today

Menrva said:
I am sorry to hear about your furry friend Voyageur.

The natural therapies and dietary recommendations Psyche posted seem like the best solution for now. Taking off his leg seems a bit extreme just to add a year or so to his life. Hugs to you and Jack :hug2:

I know what it is like to watch a close companion suffer like this, I'm sorry you and Jack have to go through this. I agree with the suggestions given so far, hopefully you can make his remaining days in the world as free of pain as possible, but don't try too hard to keep him around when this will cause him to suffer more. We all have to let go some day.
 
Re: Receiving a most difficult diagnosis today

Menrva said:
I am sorry to hear about your furry friend Voyageur.

The natural therapies and dietary recommendations Psyche posted seem like the best solution for now. Taking off his leg seems a bit extreme just to add a year or so to his life. Hugs to you and Jack :hug2:

Yes. To think about doing that is just heartbreaking. I couldn't do it.
 
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This is such a sad situation, voyageur. I am so sorry.

Menrva said:
I am sorry to hear about your furry friend Voyageur.

The natural therapies and dietary recommendations Psyche posted seem like the best solution for now. Taking off his leg seems a bit extreme just to add a year or so to his life. Hugs to you and Jack :hug2:

I agree with this, also. It is a very hard decision, I know. Hopefully, HE will have some insight into this dilemma, too, to help you out.

A :hug: to you, Jack and your family.
 
Re: Receiving a most difficult diagnosis today

Voyageur I am very sorry about Jack. People who don't have pets don't realise how difficult it is for their owners when faced by illnesses such as cancer. You must do what is right for Jack, and I agree with others that removal of his leg, although it might prolong his life, isn't really the best option for him. As LKJ said, he won't know why his leg was removed, and as well as the physical difficulties it would present him with it could also cause psychological problems for him.

A very minor thing happened my own puppy just at the weekend. I moved house on Saturday, and when she was exploring her new garden my pup Trixie got a wasp trapped in her coat. When she came in to the house about 10 minutes later she lay up on the sofa beside me and suddenly started to cry and bark at me. She had been stung by the wasp, and thought that I had caused the pain that she was feeling. I know that she was very confused because she is normally a very friendly tactile wee thing and she wouldn't come near me for the rest of the day. How much worse for poor Jack then if he began to associate his pain and discomfort with yourself Voyager - you need to do everything you can to make sure that doesn't happen.

I hope you are able to move forward and make Jack as comfortable as possible for whatever time he has left with you. You can be assured that folk on here will be thinking of you as you do so.

Regards

Eúni
 
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Hello Voyageur. I feel sorry to hear your plight. In time pets Do become part of the family, loved as one would love any other human family member. Sometimes even loved more than some humans. Breaks my heart to see pain in one of my pets. But I gotta say, Jack is a dog. Would he understand losing a leg to possibly extend his life for a short time? With all the pain and suffering of limb loss, would he truly understand and appreciate the opportunity to maybe live just a little more? What quality of life would that provide? What emotions would flow through your home watching Jack after surgery, though the healing process. A year is not much time to heal and adjust to a new life without a limb. There will still be pain and suffering for that unknown amount of time left. I am sorry and may regret this bluntness but honestly, I must say I couldn't do that to my 2D family member.
:cry:
Besides, after a pets passing, I swear to gawd that a pet or two has come back to us.
:)
One story for example: Moo was an 18 year old Calico cat that passed away a little over two years ago. Then, out of blue, the Universe provided us with an unexpectedly new Calico kitten. Dare I say there are no such thing as coincidence? The new kitty (Sissy) living with us now, is a Calico cat, and old (Moo) was also a Calico cat. If they could stand side by side, it'd be tough to tell the difference in their markings. And new kitty (Sissy)... I swear Sissy behaves, acts, walks and talks just like good old Moo. I can't stop calling the new kitty (Sissy) her by her previous name (Moo). Many times it's like Moo never left us... Maybe she did come back to us...
:halo:

edit: Spelling and grammar again... :cool2:
 
Re: Receiving a most difficult diagnosis today

I hope you are able to move forward and make Jack as comfortable as possible for whatever time he has left with you. You can be assured that folk on here will be thinking of you as you do so.

I agree, and like Laura said, he won't know why and leg removal will cause a considerable amount of its own pain and suffering.
My dog had bone cancer and what we learned was you do not want to wait until the pain seems completely unbearable to the animal as bone pain is terrible and most animals are very stoic about showing pain so often they are suffering more than they reveal.

When Sheba stopped chewing on her beloved rawhide chewies and remained quiet and passive most of the day we knew it was time.
We were able to find a vet to come to the house and make the transition easier for us all.

Best of luck to you all--I am keeping you all in my heart.
shellycheval

PS I am using Nancy2Feather's computer while I am away.
 
Re: Receiving a most difficult diagnosis today

What a sad news.

I am with you and all your family voyageur. :hug2:
 
Re: Receiving a most difficult diagnosis today

Voyageur, my heart goes out to you. What a difficult decision. My family has also had to make a similar decision and let me tell you, the decision my father made was let our dog continue on, and the dog did suffer terribly.
It was heart-wrenching to watch, but he couldn't bear to let the dog go, and so, even though he meant well and loved the dog fiercely and took great care to make her comfortable, I think it would have been the more merciful thing to do to not drag out the suffering.
I'm not sure if your dog has reached such a point yet.
Either way, it's an awful decision to have to make and I hope very much that some alternative can be found to improve the situation.

Please know you, your family and Jack are all in my thoughts, and I wish you the best.
Whatever you decide, you have my support and love. :hug2:
 
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I'm so sorry to hear that voyageur.

I know how difficult this is for our little loved beings as well as for us. I had this situation last year with our cat when she was diagnosed with cancer. After the surgery she lived some six months. It was very hard to watch her recovery from surgery . It was a terrible shock for her and it seemed to me that this was indeed the case, as Laura said, that that was not understood by her. She has never been the same, and we became aware that whatever she feels is only just suffering.

It was so difficult but if I knew that then, I would have spared her suffering. Finally, we have to make a decision to stop it and a vet came to our house where we had to say goodbye to her.

I agree with the suggestions given to you, just try to make his life as free of pain as possible. I wish you and Jack all the best :hug2:
 
Re: Receiving a most difficult diagnosis today

I'm so sorry to hear about Jack's diagnosis, voyageur. Take care :hug2:
 

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