Moderator note: This topic has been split off from the Behe/intelligent design thread, specifically this post: Darwin's Black Box - Michael J. Behe and Intelligent Design
I'm not sure we can come down on socialism in this way. Then again, you'd have to define what you mean by socialism quite clearly. If we assume that the USA is further from socialism than any country in the world, or that it is the center of 'capitalism', then you could argue that the country leading the field as a "nihilistic, valueless, materialistic nightmare of a society" is the USA itself.3. Once the foundation stands, bring in electricity/the petrol engine and all that follows, which makes enlightenment arguments irresistible to this day ("look at what science brought us, therefore materialism/enlightenment/no God/high priests of science!")
4. Also, socialist systems are completely unsustainable and destructive. UNLESS you pump in huge amount of external energy to keep the illusion going. This energy suddenly was available thanks to the petrol engine, electricity and the growth this provided (not to mention imperialism and plunder).
5. End result: we live in a nihilistic, valueless, materialistic nightmare of a society, AND we are hopelessly addicted to the welfare state (we lost self-sufficiency etc.) AND it's just all-round spiritual death.
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