Caribbean meteor impact in the near future?

[Buddy]

Hello,

I agree that my dreams may not have been 'prophetic.' I decided to post them here, however, because it seemed relevant to the topic. What struck me most about these dreams were the times and dates, and since I still remember them, I find myself counting down, even though I think doing so is silly.

And you approve of the countdown or you wouldn't be doing something you think is silly, right?

According to Gurdjieff it takes conscious labor and intentional suffering to produce acts of an interventional character that creatively goes against any mechanical stream. From my observations of how the C's experiment has developed all these years, it appears to me that one can see a line or course of development separating itself from the course of mechanical evolution of humanity and more people getting involved might make it solidify quicker. In the face of that, I would consider dreams of "utter obliteration" or "pockets of this or that" to be your mind processing previously acquired unintegrated information "packets" or pockets.

That seems like a likely scenario to me, but I would like to say that I believe it's possible to see the future or a possible future in dreams and visions.

I don't know about visions but of dreams, of course, why wouldn't it be possible considering that we are at least partially on a pre-determined course? Maybe it's just not 'prophetic' in the traditional sense of the word. Here's a couple of hypothetical examples:

Suppose 2 years ago, Sylvia Brown had a dream where she kept looking at a clock and every time she looked at it the time was given as '2014' although she didn't have a clock that displayed time in 24 hour format. Suppose 1 month later she goes to a yard sale and falls in love with an old grandfather clock whose price was $20.14 so she buys it with great joy. Suppose 1 year later she dreams of a cometary cataclysm where the Earth and all life on it is destroyed. She wakes up the next morning, recalls the dream and has a strong since of '2014' associated with it. She immediately sets out to make an "official prediction."

But what if she would have waited awhile? If she just kept all this in a journal or in mind somehow she might make another discovery. Two days after she wakes up from that comet dream, she reads a book of fiction that describes a cometary cataclysm in vivid terms and a character in the introduction part of this story had a clock that reminded her of her own beloved grandfather clock. What could she put together from all this so far? Maybe that on two separate occasions she simply had a dream of some kind of version of something she was going to experience in waking reality at some unspecified point in her future.

How about another example? Suppose tonight you dream of meeting and talking with a childhood best friend that you haven't seen in years or thought of in months. Tomorrow night at dinner you read the local newspaper and see a picture of this person having been chosen as 'employee of the month' at a factory or business to which you were planning to apply for work and the interviewer has the same name as you?

What could that experience suggest to you? Maybe that sometimes we dream of something we are actually going to experience - even if the experience is something trivial or something we might just read about - but the imagery is combined with other imagery from other contexts and experiences and that seem to paint a different picture when we take it at face value?

The point is that you can't know for sure until you do know and that requires paying attention to everything you possibly can, OSIT.

Having said that, I do find the topics of the different densities somewhat confusing, so it seems likely to me that I would try to formulate a schema of sorts in dreams to try to understand just what they are and how they work.

Well, I found them confusing too, at first. In fact, I balked at them as though I had mistaken a piece of broccoli for something that tastes good. I had to keep learning and forebear judgment until I started to see densities the way Laura just described.

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List of questions

Um, yeah. I was flabbergasted and since I was busy with other things, never did formulate a coherent reply in order to add anything of value.

Yeah... one of my favourite threads... I think you are wise to some degree Buddy, so I'd like to ask why you were flabbergasted? I kind of get the feeling that it's because of my raging ego, which I failed to keep in check when I started that topic, would that by chance be a correct assumption?

Well, I don't know about the 'raging ego' thing. I was just noting the contrast between the sheer volume of questions, their type, the way you admitted you hadn't read anything and the way that Laura specifically spelled out an exact procedure to follow to help determine good, useful questions and help ensure the questions would be asked. I wanted to link the specific thread to show you what I mean, but I can't find it ATM.

 

[MrEightFive]

Laura, but how do you know? Is there some information from "higher realms" that has not been disclosed by Group (yet)?

Just do.

Sorry, Laura, I possibly misunderstood about what is "not likely" exactly. But what about this calendar date frame? For ANY cosmic event. Is it probable?

 

[Approaching Infinity]

Laura, but how do you know? Is there some information from "higher realms" that has not been disclosed by Group (yet)?

Just do.

Sorry, Laura, I possibly misunderstood about what is "not likely" exactly. But what about this calendar date frame? For ANY cosmic event. Is it probable?

Take a look at the main points in your post:

"a major comet impact"
"in mid November"
"would utterly obliterate the Earth"

How can you calculate the probability of such a thing? A major comet impact? How major? If we're talking Chelyabinsk major (or more?), what are the chances? Hard to say. It could happen at any time, but is it probable (i.e., good chances, greater than 50/50)? Putting that in a specific time frame makes it even more unlikely. Even if comet events are becoming more frequent, how probable is a major event in November? And then, one that would utterly obliterate the Earth? Seeing as how the Earth is still here, such an event would be absolutely unprecedented in Earth history. That makes it even more unlikely, statistically. If you want to speak in probabilities, probably the only thing you can say is that the Earth is likely to experience one or more 'major' cometary events (i.e., Chelyabinsk or greater), some time in the near future. Without real data, that's about all one can say, OSIT.

 

[Archaea]

And you approve of the countdown or you wouldn't be doing something you think is silly, right?

Yes, I think I do approve on some level, but I think it's not good... I think that the counting down (which I'm still doing btw, less that 2 weeks to go) comes from my STS nature. So, I'm doing the counting down in order to serve myself in some way. I think that I'm being selfish by looking for an escape hatch, like in this snippet:

Q: (T) Is the conduit kind of like an escape hatch for us?
A: Close.

So, I feel like the walls are closing in, even though they're not. I just feel entitled on some level to have more space and feel more secure than I do, probably because of my self-importance. So I think it's like what Laura said:

So, don't look for some magical mystery event where you get to see or experience or move into 4th density if you have not made the choices to become a part of an ever-present reality.

I would like to say that I'm not doing this intentionally, it's something deeper than that, like a reflex or something.

As for the scenario with time, the lady, and the clock, it seems to me that you're describing synchronicity. My understanding of synchronicity at this stage is that it can be a message from the DCM. I don't know what the message is in that story, maybe the message is just that there's something beyond what she has come to believe exists, but I'll leave that to you since you created it. :)

As for my dreams with dates and times there haven't been any synchronicities yet, I actually think I created the November date in my brain, again because I'm selfish, from the date ISON passes and because the Chelyabinsk comet hit when there was another comet passing by.

Well, I don't know about the 'raging ego' thing. I was just noting the contrast between the sheer volume of questions, their type, the way you admitted you hadn't read anything and the way that Laura specifically spelled out an exact procedure to follow to help determine good, useful questions and help ensure the questions would be asked. I wanted to link the specific thread to show you what I mean, but I can't find it ATM.

Oh, I see, there's a procedure for asking questions. I guess that makes my next question: Why didn't anybody tell me? but I already know the answer, it's because no one likes me.

Laura, but how do you know? Is there some information from "higher realms" that has not been disclosed by Group (yet)?

Just do.

Sorry, Laura, I possibly misunderstood about what is "not likely" exactly. But what about this calendar date frame? For ANY cosmic event. Is it probable?

Take a look at the main points in your post:

"a major comet impact"
"in mid November"
"would utterly obliterate the Earth"

How can you calculate the probability of such a thing? A major comet impact? How major? If we're talking Chelyabinsk major (or more?), what are the chances? Hard to say. It could happen at any time, but is it probable (i.e., good chances, greater than 50/50)? Putting that in a specific time frame makes it even more unlikely. Even if comet events are becoming more frequent, how probable is a major event in November? And then, one that would utterly obliterate the Earth? Seeing as how the Earth is still here, such an event would be absolutely unprecedented in Earth history. That makes it even more unlikely, statistically. If you want to speak in probabilities, probably the only thing you can say is that the Earth is likely to experience one or more 'major' cometary events (i.e., Chelyabinsk or greater), some time in the near future. Without real data, that's about all one can say, OSIT.

Hi AI, I think you may have got MrEightFive and myself mixed up, those main points were from my post, whereas MrEightFive was just asking about the time frame. I still think your points are relevant though...

 

[Approaching Infinity]

Well, I don't know about the 'raging ego' thing. I was just noting the contrast between the sheer volume of questions, their type, the way you admitted you hadn't read anything and the way that Laura specifically spelled out an exact procedure to follow to help determine good, useful questions and help ensure the questions would be asked. I wanted to link the specific thread to show you what I mean, but I can't find it ATM.

Oh, I see, there's a procedure for asking questions. I guess that makes my next question: Why didn't anybody tell me? but I already know the answer, it's because no one likes me.

Why do you come to that conclusion?

As for there being a procedure for asking questions, it's not so much a strict requirement as just external consideration, i.e., seeing the way things are done here on the forum and trying to follow suit. By reading more (especially Laura's books, but also just the forum in general), you'll get a better grasp on how to really 'ask the question.'

Hi AI, I think you may have got MrEightFive and myself mixed up, those main points were from my post, whereas MrEightFive was just asking about the time frame. I still think your points are relevant though...

Yep, my bad!

 

[MrEightFive]

How can you calculate the probability of such a thing? A major comet impact? How major? If we're talking Chelyabinsk major (or more?), what are the chances? Hard to say. It could happen at any time, but is it probable (i.e., good chances, greater than 50/50)? Putting that in a specific time frame makes it even more unlikely. Even if comet events are becoming more frequent, how probable is a major event in November? And then, one that would utterly obliterate the Earth? Seeing as how the Earth is still here, such an event would be absolutely unprecedented in Earth history. That makes it even more unlikely, statistically. If you want to speak in probabilities, probably the only thing you can say is that the Earth is likely to experience one or more 'major' cometary events (i.e., Chelyabinsk or greater), some time in the near future. Without real data, that's about all one can say, OSIT.

Approaching Infinity, yes, we cannot calculate, no question about it. But 6 density can. I only hoped that there was some new information available. That is all. Internet is lacking good information sources and this one still is the best out there. Let's put 'utter obliteration' aside, this wasn't my supposition after all...

 

[Buddy]

Oh, I see, there's a procedure for asking questions. I guess that makes my next question: Why didn't anybody tell me? but I already know the answer, it's because no one likes me.

After that thread was created I pointed people to it for awhile but I stopped doing that because nobody would listen. Maybe they don't like me either, but it's more likely for other reasons.

Actually I felt an affinity towards your apparent enthusiasm in that opening post, but it was just one of those spontaneous face-palm things where you go "dang! where do we start...at the beginning or what?" To some extent I also share that contrarian spirit that might occasionally be perceived as "being a rebel" and I know what that's about so don't even try the pity ploy. :)

Concerning your thought that maybe the C's learn as much from the sessions as the rest of us - my first thought is no, no way José - at least from the perspective of Thermodynamic and Information theory entropy and at least in 3D. Because, just like heat flows from a hot place to a cold place, information (as contrasted with data) flows from an intelligent place to a less intelligent place. Energy might be exchanged for the information, though.

 

[l apprenti de forgeron]

Wow! "Ask and ye shall receive" -- what perfect timing for your post! You clarified a half-dozen things which I've been mulling over this past week! Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts.

Yes, thank you very much Laura for taking the time to share your thoughts!

 

[Archaea]

Oh, I see, there's a procedure for asking questions. I guess that makes my next question: Why didn't anybody tell me? but I already know the answer, it's because no one likes me.

Why do you come to that conclusion?

As for there being a procedure for asking questions, it's not so much a strict requirement as just external consideration, i.e., seeing the way things are done here on the forum and trying to follow suit. By reading more (especially Laura's books, but also just the forum in general), you'll get a better grasp on how to really 'ask the question.'

I was just being facetious, sorry. I think I need to watch myself because others might not understand my sense of humour.

Concerning your thought that maybe the C's learn as much from the sessions as the rest of us - my first thought is no, no way José - at least from the perspective of Thermodynamic and Information theory entropy and at least in 3D. Because, just like heat flows from a hot place to a cold place, information (as contrasted with data) flows from an intelligent place to a less intelligent place. Energy might be exchanged for the information, though.

Well, I thought that maybe the C's learn as much from the sessions as the rest of because of the way I interpreted the crop circle which the FOTCM symbol was based on. Laura said in the 2009 crop circle thread that she saw the image in a meditative state and that it was related to the sessions (or at least I think that's what happened.) Now that I've thought about it more though, I think the CC means something like "group learning", or "learning from each other." So I think I got carried away a bit, and created a thread without putting in the appropriate amount of thought.

 

[Anthony]

Oh, I see, there's a procedure for asking questions. I guess that makes my next question: Why didn't anybody tell me? but I already know the answer, it's because no one likes me.

After that thread was created I pointed people to it for awhile but I stopped doing that because nobody would listen. Maybe they don't like me either, but it's more likely for other reasons.

Actually I felt an affinity towards your apparent enthusiasm in that opening post, but it was just one of those spontaneous face-palm things where you go "dang! where do we start...at the beginning or what?" To some extent I also share that contrarian spirit that might occasionally be perceived as "being a rebel" and I know what that's about so don't even try the pity ploy. :)

Concerning your thought that maybe the C's learn as much from the sessions as the rest of us - my first thought is no, no way José - at least from the perspective of Thermodynamic and Information theory entropy and at least in 3D. Because, just like heat flows from a hot place to a cold place, information (as contrasted with data) flows from an intelligent place to a less intelligent place. Energy might be exchanged for the information, though.

As you've said, that might appear so in 3D, in linear models
but if we take a broader view, than everything runs in circles, what you give is what you'll recieve.
And the giver is the true recipient as I've read somewhere.

 

[MichaelM]

But in each case, it will seem to be a smooth and natural process and each individual will be on the earth/reality where they fit by virtue of their awareness, knowledge and being - their frequency resonance vibration.

Maybe this is the true meaning of YCYOR (you create your own reality) without all the new-age gobbledygook?
Our reality is shaped by our own choices; how we choose to observe and how we choose to act.

 

[Approaching Infinity]

But in each case, it will seem to be a smooth and natural process and each individual will be on the earth/reality where they fit by virtue of their awareness, knowledge and being - their frequency resonance vibration.

Maybe this is the true meaning of YCYOR (you create your own reality) without all the new-age gobbledygook?
Our reality is shaped by our own choices; how we choose to observe and how we choose to act.

I think so. It's not so much our stated intentions that create reality, but our implicit intentions. System 1 vs. 2. Conscious vs. unconscious. And often our unconscious drives lead to scenarios that our conscious minds reel at or deny outright. But perhaps it's possible to change those implicit intentions/unconscious drives?