Catastrophe Alert

[ElizabethDempsey]

I also follow the work of Barbara Goldsmith. On the advice of a psychic she moved from Christchurch one month before the first earthquake. And on the advice of that same psychic she is urging residents of Christchurch to leave the city as quickly as possible because of expectations of further cataclysms resulting from the subterranean damage caused by that earthquake.

_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGU9r5CI5MA

 

[daveOS]

Thanks Keit and Elizabeth for the clue-ins about Barbara Goldsmith awarenesses and alerting emergency preparedness. I've been surprised by MSM 'Good Morning America' covering treatments for radiation and survival kits.

Out here in the PNW we're getting hit by storm after storm off the Pacific like I've never known in my 48 years, delivering rains I've only ever seen in tropical monsoons or on the edges of hurricanes. Some neighborhoods are so saturated they're sinking.

Is the neighborhood sinking?
_http://everett.komonews.com/news/public-spaces/neighborhood-sinking/627934

Meanwhile with the radioactive fallout potential, the delight of walking in the rain suddenly appears to have become a seeming health hazard. And the "Big One" we've been worrying about appears to be more imminent than ever.

Japanese Earthquake Could Be Replicated In Washington

 

[Jimbofirstround]

Hi guys, well ok so i did a little digging and found that in Chernobyl when it went the fallout went about 500kms (310miles) or so from the event, USA is like 10,500 km (6500+miles) from Japan, with all the wierd stuff the illuminati or bad guys or lizzys or whatever you feel like calling the bad guys do to us here IF this event was caused by them( i am still unsure if its nature or man/beings) then it would have to travel what 21 times further than the Chernobyl event AND we have the mainstream media jumping on it saying HEY BUY THIS ANTI RADIATION STUFF OR YOU WILL GET SICK seems to me like they are trying yet again to force us to take things that will make our bodies and emotion more tasty

i am aware of the jet stream factor however, the Distance Between Ukraine (UA) and Japan (JP)
is 8203.76 kilometers (5097.58 miles)

so if the fallout didnt travel that far then why would it now?

i think this is part of the scare and modify humans plan that has been in effect for a long "time" (since time is just for us here in 3d and since they can go back and forth to do this and that )

please do not misunderstand, i am sorry those people are going through this disaster and the earth will suffer as well and we should have NEVER had the opportunity to witness another chernobyl, however i simply do not feel the fear of fallout in north america is warranted and i wouldnt be buying into thier scam, well i feel its a scam, i could be totally wrong but the facts dont seem to add up

has anyone asked the C's what the effects of this iodine stuff they want us to take is? i would think this should be adressed in any upcoming sessions

perhaps THIS disaster will help humans learn the lesson that playing with fire will get you and everyone else burned, how many more need to suffer from these horrendous things before the lesson is learned since the last disaster and two bobms dropped havent seemed to sink in that nuclear isnt very safe


being prepared is essential as the C's have mentioned yet being hysterically in fear and jumping everytime they(MSM, gov't etc) say jump serves no one but them, giving the little money many have towards being prepared for something that by the #'s doesnt seem to be possible just seems like blind panic

i could be totally wrong here, but those distances i mentioned speak for themselves to me

thoughts?

 

[daveOS]

Hi guys, well ok so i did a little digging and found that in Chernobyl when it went the fallout went about 500kms (310miles) or so from the event,
[...]
i am aware of the jet stream factor however, the Distance Between Ukraine (UA) and Japan (JP)
is 8203.76 kilometers (5097.58 miles)

so if the fallout didnt travel that far then why would it now?

[...]

perhaps THIS disaster will help humans learn the lesson that playing with fire will get you and everyone else burned, how many more need to suffer from these horrendous things before the lesson is learned since the last disaster and two bobms dropped havent seemed to sink in that nuclear isnt very safe

[...]

thoughts?

"Humans learn the lesson"!??? I think you need to tighten up your thinking with Political Ponerology. The problem lies not with humans but with the sociopaths. Your thoughts here read like ponerized thinking. Getting 'humans to learn' stands as an infinitely easier task than getting a sociopath to comprehend 'love your neighbor as yourself'. As for all the wild speculation about how far the wind blew radioactive material from Chernobyl, I understand Chernobyl to represent a fraction of the Fukushima fuel circumstance and flights between Tokyo and Los Angeles capitalize on the direct currents between the two cities.

Get out of Tokyo: Foreign Office Tells all Britons to Leave Toxic Radiation Zone as Japanese 'Lose Control' of Stricken Reactor

 

[Jimbofirstround]

well excuse me i thought the whole point of this part of the cycle was for us to learn lessons, i will forevermore keep my opinions to myself

 

[shijing]

"Humans learn the lesson"!??? I think you need to tighten up your thinking with Political Ponerology. The problem lies not with humans but with the sociopaths. Your thoughts here read like ponerized thinking. Getting 'humans to learn' stands as an infinitely easier task than getting a sociopath to comprehend 'love your neighbor as yourself'. As for all the wild speculation about how far the wind blew radioactive material from Chernobyl, I understand Chernobyl to represent a fraction of the Fukushima fuel circumstance and flights between Tokyo and Los Angeles capitalize on the direct currents between the two cities.

daveOS, that was a bit harsh considering that Jimbo is a newbie and hasn't been active here a week yet. Your point about the difference between sociopaths and the rest of humanity is correct -- but a little more consideration could have been used in your response.

[...] i thought the whole point of this part of the cycle was for us to learn lessons [...]

That is true, and the point that daveOS was trying to make above is that humanity in general has fallen under the sway of psychopaths, and our thinking has been ponerized -- corrupted -- to the point we will do things individually and collectively that we wouldn't otherwise do if not subjected to this influence. You could say, therefore, that one of our primary lessons is learning about psychopathy itself and how it acts as a contagion in our collective psyche, with sometimes disastrous results.

 

[Jimbofirstround]

thanx for being rational and understanding Shijing

nuclear fallout from a nuclear bomb going off is far different than the effects of a nuclear meltdown, IF the plants explode then you should perhaps worry

and my point is in relation i suppose to the psycosis of humans in general, how many times do we have to endure hard lessons before the general populace wakes up to what is not good for us


how many times do you touch the hot stove and get burned before you realize you shouldnt touch the hot stove no matter how nice someone tells you the stove is

i guess i have always been awake to the obviously silly notions of things we as humans do for whatever reason we do them

i will use Lauras illnesses during her being attacked by cointelpro as example, she tried and tried to fight, when she let go and said ya know what im outta here and will not play with them anymore things got better, most of the human populace is still thinking that everything is kool , but many are beginning to say hey this stinks and i want it different, and many times this still stems from STS beliefs, they want it different for THEIR benefit,

but ALSO as said by C's no matter what, we all here are STS we can only begin to understand and begin to act STO here, but true STO is not possible until the wave crashes and washes this density away, well more accurately until the wave comes and we get on our surfboards of truth and ride the wave outta here

 

[Jimbofirstround]

and to Dave OS directly , wouldnt you catch more flies with honey than a flyswatter, it was harsh dude and i had a very harsh response back for you which i deleted because it would serve no one but the lizzies for supper

thankfully Shijin interjected during my rant

just like the C's have said STOP think again, so i did, and realized i was playing right into your seeming plan from my point of view of exposing me as some sort of delusional psycho, which likely simply stemmed from something you interpreted about what i said, my personal reaction to your personal reaction does nothing to propogate learning or exchanging information if it turns into a who is smarter or better than who battle

i made a mistake, i said FALLOUT, leading the impression that i was talking about nuclear explosion fallout, which has not occured yet, chernobyl did not have even close to the same megaton power as the bombs dropped on Japan in WW2 and other nuclear tests,

interestingly in the USA there has been more nuclear fallout generated by their govt testing weapons on their homeland than could ever possibly come from this meltdown, and still nothing close if it was an explosion

so i retract my previous statment i WILL offer my opinions ALWAYS becaus eTHEY ARE VALID always, i need to be more aware of my presentation so as not to trigger knee jerk reactions from others who will be on the defence

speak withouth offending , listen without defending are great words of wisdom to live and learn by,

 

[daveOS]

[...]
daveOS, that was a bit harsh considering that Jimbo is a newbie and hasn't been active here a week yet. Your point about the difference between sociopaths and the rest of humanity is correct -- but a little more consideration could have been used in your response.
[...]

OK, right, pardon my indignant self-righteousness and I'm sorry for the curt response. If it makes any difference, I can tell you my accusation of "ponerized thinking" sources more as a self criticism than a qualified assessment of where jimbo's coming from. Another factor I think worth considering here for newbie's is the reality check of how much cointel and disinfo this site attracts due to the hard realities it confronts, so long rambling thinking aloud muddles facts and obscures where the participant is coming from.

Moreover, my aggravation stems from my own personal circumstances awakening to how ponerized I truly am and efforts to deprogram myself amidst a thoroughly ponerized society, which stands as a completely isolated task alienated from all those around me. I'll spare everyone the sordid details, but despite enjoying the goodwill of a broad circle of friends and family, these last several years of my ponerized awakening have evolved a veritable standoff between me and my immediate community. I've made it infinitely clear to those closest to me that the rules of life have changed forever, and those I'm more peripherally involved with know I'm not adhering to the cultural norms I'm expected to follow, so the tensions just keep building around my 'won't back down, not ready to make nice' situation.

Add to all this the paranoia surrounding nuclear meltdown and immediate wild weather wreaking havoc on my situation, again with my community adamantly refusing to acknowledge the implications or recognize the signs, and you end up with me grasping for straws misplacing blame. So no bad will intended, rather desperately seeking clarity and solid ground on all fronts.

Geologist Predicts Major N. America Earthquake Imminent

 

[anart]

thanx for being rational and understanding Shijing

nuclear fallout from a nuclear bomb going off is far different than the effects of a nuclear meltdown, IF the plants explode then you should perhaps worry

They have already exploded. In fact, radiation from Chernobyl did reach the states, though at low levels. This is not a large planet.

and my point is in relation i suppose to the psycosis of humans in general, how many times do we have to endure hard lessons before the general populace wakes up to what is not good for us

When has the general populace ever woken up?

how many times do you touch the hot stove and get burned before you realize you shouldnt touch the hot stove no matter how nice someone tells you the stove is

i guess i have always been awake to the obviously silly notions of things we as humans do for whatever reason we do them

Have you read any Gurdjieff? It would help you understand many of the topics of conversation on this forum.

and to Dave OS directly , wouldnt you catch more flies with honey than a flyswatter, it was harsh dude and i had a very harsh response back for you which i deleted because it would serve no one but the lizzies for supper

thankfully Shijin interjected during my rant

This says more about you than it does about Dave. Perhaps it would be worthwhile for you to think about why you are so easily offended?

just like the C's have said STOP think again, so i did, and realized i was playing right into your seeming plan from my point of view of exposing me as some sort of delusional psycho, which likely simply stemmed from something you interpreted about what i said, my personal reaction to your personal reaction does nothing to propogate learning or exchanging information if it turns into a who is smarter or better than who battle

This is self-importance on your part and nothing more.

i made a mistake, i said FALLOUT, leading the impression that i was talking about nuclear explosion fallout, which has not occured yet, chernobyl did not have even close to the same megaton power as the bombs dropped on Japan in WW2 and other nuclear tests,

interestingly in the USA there has been more nuclear fallout generated by their govt testing weapons on their homeland than could ever possibly come from this meltdown, and still nothing close if it was an explosion

so i retract my previous statment i WILL offer my opinions ALWAYS becaus eTHEY ARE VALID always, i need to be more aware of my presentation so as not to trigger knee jerk reactions from others who will be on the defence

No, opinions are not always valid, no matter whose opinion it is. Please read the thread on Opinions

speak withouth offending , listen without defending are great words of wisdom to live and learn by,

Have you read the Wave and Adventure series yet, Jimbofirstround?

 

[Jimbofirstround]

ANART

can you provide an article showing they have exploded, so far all articles i have come across indicate we are still looking at meltdown status, they are still attempting to stop the explosion hence all the chopper trying to cool the fuel rods

simply because the general populace has not woken up in the "past" does not indicate they will not wake up in the "future"

does not the fact the i rethought my stance indicate that although i was offended i looked at why i was and made a completely different response, everyone who thinks a little different or who is not at your level isnt deserving of this sort of backlash, as your post to me is simply attacking everything i say as "you dont know yet"

the personal reaction i said, BOTH sides react with thier own personal reactions as DaveOS himself said he is on the defensive often as well due to the bombardment of people in his life who simply refute everything he says, much like you are doing to me right now, although i am taking your comments as new information rather than how you are simply disregarding everything i say as unimportant


if a fact is yet unprovable but believed, as say "the wave" that is coming, it has not been proven so to believe it is an opinion, simply because it was channeled does not make it 100% true, we will see when the "time" is right, in fact the C's frequently tell us that there are things we will NOT be able to understand in this density no matter how hard we try,


your response to me is filled with "you are not as educated as me, i am assuming you do not know what i know and are therefore not worthy of commenting until you have reached my level"

who does that serve? self YOUR-self

rather than chiding someone perhaps you could offer positive guidance

 

[anart]

ANART

can you provide an article showing they have exploded, so far all articles i have come across indicate we are still looking at meltdown status, they are still attempting to stop the explosion hence all the chopper trying to cool the fuel rods

I was referring to the housings exploding. The fuel rods have been exposed for days now and are melting together - they won't explode, they'll melt through the bottom of the containment vessels (though there have already been several hydrogen explosions - each of which released radiation, and several reported containment vessel cracks).

simply because the general populace has not woken up in the "past" does not indicate they will not wake up in the "future"

That is an illogical statement, actually. Have you read any Gurdjieff? If you'd like to participate on this forum, it is highly recommended, since his work forms part of the basis of this forum.

does not the fact the i rethought my stance indicate that although i was offended i looked at why i was and made a completely different response, everyone who thinks a little different or who is not at your level isnt deserving of this sort of backlash, as your post to me is simply attacking everything i say as "you dont know yet"

There is no backlash. There is no attack. Can you see that the fact that you think there is means that you are interpreting things through an emotional lens that is colored with self-importance?

the personal reaction i said, BOTH sides react with thier own personal reactions as DaveOS himself said he is on the defensive often as well due to the bombardment of people in his life who simply refute everything he says, much like you are doing to me right now, although i am taking your comments as new information rather than how you are simply disregarding everything i say as unimportant

You are projecting. I am not disregarding anything. I am merely communicating to you that your current perception and understanding is not objective and since you are on this forum, it is taken as fact that you are interested in developing the self. You said that you wanted to learn to swim in order to surf the wave. If you don't get yourself out of the way, you'll drown. Part of that is getting input in the instances that one's perception and understanding are not objective. If this hurts your 'ego', then that's a great opportunity to understand why. You are perceiving attack when only the sharing of information is present. Have you read the Wave?

if a fact is yet unprovable but believed, as say "the wave" that is coming, it has not been proven so to believe it is an opinion, simply because it was channeled does not make it 100% true, we will see when the "time" is right, in fact the C's frequently tell us that there are things we will NOT be able to understand in this density no matter how hard we try,

Please, do yourself a favor and read the Opinion thread so you understand the point.

your response to me is filled with "you are not as educated as me, i am assuming you do not know what i know and are therefore not worthy of commenting until you have reached my level"

who does that serve? self YOUR-self

rather than chiding someone perhaps you could offer positive guidance

This is another example of projection. You are filling in the negative content in this communication. You are assuming things about me and what I am saying to you that are not true because you cannot - at this point in time - get yourself out of the way in order to hear what is really being said. If you'd like to get to a place where you have control over the part of yourself that does this (to your detriment), then please take a look at the recommended reading and start to learn the tools necessary to clear your own lens, so you can see things as they are - not as you fear them to be.

I don't attack. I don't chide. In fact, if I didn't think it was worth my time to try to explain these things to you, I wouldn't - but I have - because it is worth my time. It is up to you whether or not you will put yourself aside for a moment and try to actually hear what is being said.

If you don't learn to question your own thinking, you will never learn to swim. fwiw.

 

[Jimbofirstround]

so once again if i do not know what you know or believe i am not to participate? this is ecluvie thinking is it not? i undertsand what you are trying to get at that a certain understanding is required, learning IS fun, AND it is a process and it is never complete, reading what you have suggested will not complete the learning it will enhance it, which i do agree with, however i also understand that as a human i have emotions, and working through those emotions is an ongoing process for us ALL

yes i have read the wave

you have also assumed about me that i must not know something, can one not have knowledge but still be learning how to implement it, i am not innocent here i admit i can only see things how i see them, by trying to see them without how i think, i often read things and watch vids of things i would never agree with because they give understanding

i guess i will just refrain from posting here since i am required to have proven i have read what you require as what is consentually the "cirriculum" here

hope you all do well on your journey in learning

 

[anart]

so once again if i do not know what you know or believe i am not to participate?

No. That is not the point. Sheesh - isn't it draining to create these imaginary monsters in your head and battle them so fiercely when all you're being offered is the truth?

hope you all do well on your journey in learning

I think this is referred to as the 'I'm going to take my ball and go home' response. Jimbo - there is no reason for this. Perhaps if you give it a few days and calm down and then go back and re-read what I've written, you might see it in a different light.

 

[Jimbofirstround]

no it simply means i will not contribute to the forums, i will OBSERVE and learn without adding anything

it may be draining for others but i find no problems in sharing information and at the end of the day i begin to apply what is said to what i have learned so far and learn from it all, i move on and keep looking for more info