Chang's issues with female police officers

[Chang]

Laura,

"Now, any district attorney or police force with two firing neurons in contact with one another would have contacted me, asked about the email in question, asked to see an original to determine what was really said, asked about the context, and the whole thing would have been sorted in an afternoon."

Your summary (above) may carry more weight than you think. I've been in the same situation, and if I've learned anything, its that police are not required to be intelligent. They pretty much ask that they have a High School Diploma, or a G.E.D. and that they can do 30 push-ups without busting a major artery. If they have a pissy attitude, their supervisors see that as a plus. And, I can tell you from personal experience, that females do NOT make good police officers. We've had to deal with three female State Troopers, and each one is less competent than the next. As a matter of fact, the oldest, who somehow became a Sgt, is absolutely brain dead.

Now I'm not down on women, my wife is one of the most intelligent, kindest people I have ever met. And I have nothing but respect for Laura, I've been reading her work for over ten years now. But from my experience WOMEN DO NOT MAKE GOOD POLICE OFFICERS. As a matter of fact, the Psychologist I saw, did his thesis on women in positions of power (I'm paraphrasing again) and his conclusion was that women in this position underperformed men. Don't get me wrong, I've had to deal with male cops that were border-line retarded.

One time, I was driving to a neighbors to grab my dog (a Yorkie named 'Todo') and the Psycho was walking down the road towards me. He walked from the left side, right towards me, so I pulled over as far as possible, he smacked the drivers door window so hard I thought it was broken. I found Todo, went back home and called the police. Around 45 minutes later, a Sheriffs Deputy came to the door and asked me what happened. When I was finished, he said, "You're probably not going to like this, but I have to serve you with these arrest papers." He listened to the psycho, and made his decision before even meeting me? I told him it couldn't have happened the way the nut job said, and the cop asked to see my car. Evidently, the psycho told the cop I hit him while he was getting mail from his mailbox, which would put marks on the right front fender, near the wheel well. The car was in the garage, and I drove it outside, because I wanted him to see what happened. As I had said, there were no marks on the right front fender. But there was an extra large hand print on my window, and the copper took a picture of it. Not too long into this never-ending drama with the retard, I found out why Judge's get the big bucks. First of all, they are educated, Secondly, they listen to both sides before making a decision. Can you believe that? The freaking cop heard one side, and wrote out an arrest warrant? And to prove my point, this same idiot cop came back about a year and a half later, on a different call, and did the exact same thing, heard one side, and made up his mind! I guess he just had one neuron bouncing around, all by its lonesome!

Well, I guess I won't have much convincing to do to you poor folks, since you're smack-dab in the middle of the same kind of crap. My heart goes out to you!

Best Wishes,

Chang

 

[Chang]

Gonzo,

I just read your post, and I wish to thank you for the inquiry.

Knowing me, I probably didn't make my point clearly. Perhaps because I hadn't looked at it as you, or someone else did. I believe what I really meant, was that women police, tend to be mislead, more easily than male, especially when its being delivered by a sociopath. But to be fair, I have only met the three female troopers, out of a total of around 58 officers. I just took a few minutes to look at my list of cops, and there were a LOT of male cops that were conned, so perhaps I better take a look at that thesis myself. I do remember asking him about it, and he somehow changed the subject, so I wasn't able to look at it. I'm not real familiar with 'head' doctors, but I think it all started when I asked what the difference was between psychiatrists, and psychologists, he said the former are able to prescribe meds, the latter have to write a book, with a years worth of research. The way he answered it made it sound like anyone could write prescriptions, but it takes real intellect and perseverance to write a book. This was said 'tongue in cheek', of course. I promise to look into that, and get back to you, as it appears I may have unintentionally stuck my foot in my mouth (I HATE when that happens!).

I think some of my bad feelings about female troopers was from the five or ten minutes I spoke to the Sgt, when one of her 'newbies' did a lousy job of investigating. The Sgt said to me, "I'm sorry the investigation didn't turn out the way you wanted it to." I told her that wasn't the issue, I just thought the trooper should have spoken to the only witness that was there, the one that had the Protection Order. I said the person she did interview is a known liar. "I'm sorry Mr Chang, we don't have ESP". I felt like telling her she doesn't need ESP, if the investigator doesn't know when she's being lied to, she should seek work that is more commensurate with her ability, like mopping floors at McDonalds.

Come to find out, this female trooper (Vicky Gardner) really embarrassed Troopers state wide, back around 1995. She was patrolling a section of I 95, not far from her headquarters, when she picked up some drunk and gave him a ride. The drunk beat her, raped her (in every way possible) then took off, and pushed her out of the moving cop car. She lived, and they caught him, and all I can say is, I bet he got a good 'going over' by the troopers that picked him up. So instead of firing her for not following procedures, she ends up as a Sgt! Yes, this is the Bizarro World. Now she's in charge of 25 Troopers in Central Maine. Here's the article:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1914&dat=19950616&id=Z9syAAAAIBAJ&sjid=EWsFAAAAIBAJ&pg=1457,2872196

I guess I'm getting a bit off track here. But you might have a better feel for why I sounded biased. And maybe I am, but those three females have made a bunch of bad calls, without really doing any leg work, and I was the one that ended up paying for their short-comings. If a cop wants to screw up and jeopardize themselves, thats one thing, but when it jeopardizes moi, well, thats when I start getting upset.

I will definitely make another attempt to look at that thesis.

Thanks again for the thoughtful post!!!

Chang

 

[StrangeCaptain]

Come to find out, this female trooper (Vicky Gardner) really embarrassed Troopers state wide, back around 1995. She was patrolling a section of I 95, not far from her headquarters, when she picked up some drunk and gave him a ride. The drunk beat her, raped her (in every way possible) then took off, and pushed her out of the moving cop car. She lived, and they caught him, and all I can say is, I bet he got a good 'going over' by the troopers that picked him up. So instead of firing her for not following procedures, she ends up as a Sgt! Yes, this is the Bizarro World. Now she's in charge of 25 Troopers in Central Maine.

I am just super overly sensitive to think this above paragraph reveals a real lack of empathy? I mean come on... How is the embarassment of the state troopers even an issue in the face of rape? If they have anything like real, human emotions then they would probably be shocked, sad, and angry. And I guess if I gave someone a ride and they beat me up and raped me, i would have a pretty big chip on my shoulder. I don't know that she should get a promotion, but she sure as heck should not be fired after getting raped. Is it really so surprising to you that she was not fired?

If you have been the victim of harassment, that really sucks. And I hope you could fight such harassment on proper and well-documented grounds, but the above just sounds like a nasty rant. If the above is your normal level of tact, I would not be surprised to hear you find yourself in a lot of sticky situations.

 

[Gonzo]

Hi Chang,

I appreciate you trying to look deeper into this, both your own perceptions and the validity of the information you've ingested. As well, I don't want to minimize or discount your experience.

When thinking about incompetence, I wonder if you encountered any incompetent male cops. Experiencing a sampling of police officers representational of the gender ratio would be required to begin to get a feel for the proportionate distribution of incompetence.

In my experience, including as a crime beat reporter, incompetence crosses both genders. But I never noticed if one gender was any more or less competent than the other. Since I don't naturally think of competence along gender lines, however, I'm not sure if I would have noticed the proportional distribution of competence. I did notice men were more aggressive than women, but, since men outnumber women considerably in the forces I've dealt with, I'd have to be exposed to considerably more female officers than I've had the opportunity to encounter.

It is important to understand the pressure on women police is greater than that of male cops in a few specific ways: they have to live up to roles established by a long tradition of men, they have to survive in an environment hostile to they system itself for reducing height, weight, strength and other standards and somehow not be the enemy, they have to deal with sexual harassment and brush it off to be one of the guys, they have tome somehow wield authority as a gender traditionally rendered powerless and yet not take advantage of the power vested in them, they have to somehow be able to command the same level of respect or authority (or instill the same level of fear) as their male counterparts when dealing with potentially violent criminal suspects and witnesses, without the benefit of a deeper voice and (often) without a larger body frame. They have to become better then men in a system where even men are unable to operate sanely.

So, although all police are supposed to be uniform in all ways, I'd consider this and much more when trying to evaluate women police officers. Perhaps a bit of slack should be cut for them.

Something I noticed when working as a reporter. When working closely with police, a phenomenon starts to occur which journalists are rarely prepared for and journalism school never covered: empathizing with police and the hypnotic effect of police mentality. A form of comradery forms, since a crime reporter has greater insight into the traumatic, often terrifying and sometimes morally-compromising experiences that cops have. These are experiences rarely shared outside of cop circles and even spouses are rarely exposed to such stories. A trust is formed that these stories will never be printed, rather they are offered in their attempt to be understood. So, many who work with cops, be it a journalist or a social scientist studying crime stats, slowly find their thinking change and biases form. Many don't notice it happening at all.

So, whenever I come across a study, an article or a news story, I always bear in mind the effect that working with such subjects can have on the authors.

Gonzo

 

[anart]

I am just super overly sensitive to think this above paragraph reveals a real lack of empathy? I mean come on... How is the embarassment of the state troopers even an issue in the face of rape? If they have anything like real, human emotions then they would probably be shocked, sad, and angry. And I guess if I gave someone a ride and they beat me up and raped me, i would have a pretty big chip on my shoulder. I don't know that she should get a promotion, but she sure as heck should not be fired after getting raped. Is it really so surprising to you that she was not fired?

If you have been the victim of harassment, that really sucks. And I hope you could fight such harassment on proper and well-documented grounds, but the above just sounds like a nasty rant. If the above is your normal level of tact, I would not be surprised to hear you find yourself in a lot of sticky situations.

For what it's worth, I agree with your impression Patience and Chang's lack of empathy is alarming. I also find Chang's misogynistic posts in this thread to be very disconcerting, to say the least.

 

[Alana]

I am just super overly sensitive to think this above paragraph reveals a real lack of empathy? I mean come on... How is the embarassment of the state troopers even an issue in the face of rape? If they have anything like real, human emotions then they would probably be shocked, sad, and angry. And I guess if I gave someone a ride and they beat me up and raped me, i would have a pretty big chip on my shoulder. I don't know that she should get a promotion, but she sure as heck should not be fired after getting raped. Is it really so surprising to you that she was not fired?

If you have been the victim of harassment, that really sucks. And I hope you could fight such harassment on proper and well-documented grounds, but the above just sounds like a nasty rant. If the above is your normal level of tact, I would not be surprised to hear you find yourself in a lot of sticky situations.

For what it's worth, I agree with your impression Patience and Chang's lack of empathy is alarming. I also find Chang's misogynistic posts in this thread to be very disconcerting, to say the least.

I am with you on this one. I was just reading the post thinking that Chang is exhibiting very misogynistic traits in his descriptions, and when I read this, my jaw dropped to the floor:

Come to find out, this female trooper (Vicky Gardner) really embarrassed Troopers state wide, back around 1995. She was patrolling a section of I 95, not far from her headquarters, when she picked up some drunk and gave him a ride. The drunk beat her, raped her (in every way possible) then took off, and pushed her out of the moving cop car. She lived, and they caught him, and all I can say is, I bet he got a good 'going over' by the troopers that picked him up. So instead of firing her for not following procedures, she ends up as a Sgt! Yes, this is the Bizarro World. Now she's in charge of 25 Troopers in Central Maine.

And so there's no misunderstanding, the point here is not about whether the female trooper should get a promotion, or get fired or who is dumber in the force (which I think is a nonsense conversation to have in this forum to begin with), and it is not even about sexism even. The way you wrote about this female's rape, is beyond disturbing, Chang!

 

[cubbex]

but I think it all started when I asked what the difference was between psychiatrists, and psychologists, he said the former are able to prescribe meds, the latter have to write a book, with a years worth of research

and redundantly LOL. If that was the difference that person found, ok.

Come to find out, this female trooper (Vicky Gardner) really embarrassed Troopers state wide, back around 1995. She was patrolling a section of I 95, not far from her headquarters, when she picked up some drunk and gave him a ride. The drunk beat her, raped her (in every way possible) then took off, and pushed her out of the moving cop car. She lived, and they caught him, and all I can say is, I bet he got a good 'going over' by the troopers that picked him up. So instead of firing her for not following procedures, she ends up as a Sgt! Yes, this is the Bizarro World. Now she's in charge of 25 Troopers in Central Maine. Here's the article:

I guess I'm getting a bit off track here. But you might have a better feel for why I sounded biased. And maybe I am, but those three females have made a bunch of bad calls, without really doing any leg work, and I was the one that ended up paying for their short-comings. If a cop wants to screw up and jeopardize themselves, thats one thing, but when it jeopardizes moi, well, thats when I start getting upset.

:) Chang are you really thinking about your thoughts? I mean, have you seen them from a different corner or point of view? by yourself without the need of others?

Look, on a person with the usual level of empathy, even if is a tough person, would say "poor woman, maybe that's the cause of her deficient way of work, be raped, tortured and sexually abused it's a traumatic event that of course, leave wounds", but in you case for example, all that you care was you, and how you ended up paying for their short-comings, of course one is free to feel frustrated by the police. But as has been told you, why do you think that she embarrassed the troopers? and after making that assumption, you say that she ends up as Sgt. Of course it was because the respect those troopers had for that woman, and maybe because of her traumatic event and other well done jobs she was ascended, if they were embarrassed well... I don't think she would be a sergeant.

I think it is fun, no offense and indirect, I just feel curious why you perceive the situation like that, that you think she embarrassed the troops because she didn't follow the right procedures, like an excuse or some accusation that supports your point of view and intolerance about the procedures those women follow with you.

I am with you on this one. I was just reading the post thinking that Chang is exhibiting very misogynistic traits in his descriptions, and when I read this, my jaw dropped to the floor:

In my opinion, what I see is a way to excuse his post before the last one, and he didn't well.

And yeah, I have to be honest, I feel shocked because when you have a family member who lived a similar case... well. But I have to hold myself, maybe Chang is just an ignorant person as we can be sometimes.

 

[Laura]

Chang, you need to be reading "Caricature of Love".

 

[Chang]

Patience,

The beginning of your first sentence seems pretty accurate:
"I am just super overly sensitive". The second half, suggesting I lack empathy may be correct, but I think you need to walk a mile in my shoes before you get all riled up.

"How is the embarassment of the state troopers even an issue in the face of rape?"

Well, considering two officers told me they felt embarrassed gave me that impression, sorry if that offends you. But in all fairness, I didn't give you the whole story. The first news clipping I read (probably a year or so ago) was much more descriptive than the one I pasted into my post. I didn't read that clipping until just now, evidently the other one has been removed. There was a bit more to the story, and I really don't know what to believe, regarding the Troopers actions, other than the following thoughts. Maine State Troopers are supposed to be well trained officers of the law. When they finish training, they should have a good understanding of Maine law, they should know how to defend/protect themselves at all times, and they should act like professionals.

That being said, the first article I read, said that Vicky Gardner had taken her pants off in an attempt to lure the man she picked up. Now that sounds over the top to me, but it was in the newspaper, so I suppose it could have happened.
Vicky did NOT follow official procedures when she picked up this man, at least not according to the officer I discussed this with. The fact that he was intoxicated is another fact to be weighed into the formula. The rider should have been in the backseat, which is separated from the front seat by an iron mesh, so the trooper could not be grabbed or hit by the rider. Public intoxication is a breach of law, and the fact that he told her that his car just broke down puts him in the predicament of driving under the influence, which again, is against the law. If you see a pattern developing here, then you are probably thinking more like a cop than Vicky was that day. But the biggest thing for me, besides the fact that she didn't follow police procedures, is that she didn't pick up anything, intuition-wise. Maybe its just me, but whenever I've been in similar situations, my gut told me something was wrong. Yes, I've ignored that feeling once or twice, but I paid for it, although I did learn an important life lesson in the process.

My initial conversation with her (when she told me "we don't have ESP" ) the first thing that came to mind was that she shouldn't be a cop, if she felt she needed ESP to do her job properly. The final straw for me, was when she took two and a half months to investigate a brutal beating, and she sided with the sociopath. She NEVER spoke to me, or my wife (who witnessed most of the crime) and because of her incompetence, the other cops were treating me like I was at fault.
Please think about that for a moment. It's had a traumatic effect on me.

Yet it took a District Court Judge less than an hour to see through the BS. If I seem biased towards her, you would probably be correct, but I have reason to be. If I seem to lack empathy towards her, because of something that happened because of her incompetence, then I guess you'll have to deal with it, as I've had it with cops that can't do their jobs, especially when its ME that has to pay.
But don't think for a minute that I condone rape, or any type of violence, because I don't, I abhor them. Like I said, YOU get the living ship knocked out of you, by not one, but two monsters, on your front lawn, THEN get back to me, OK?

Chang

P.S.

You also wrote this: "I don't know that she should get a promotion, but she sure as heck should not be fired after getting raped."

I NEVER said any such thing, I clearly wrote: "So instead of firing her for not following procedures, she ends up as a Sgt!"

I don't think there are any rules that says you can't be fired if you were raped. The rape had nothing to do with my feeling she should have been fired. It was the fact that she failed to follow official procedures. The whole grist of my argument is that cops, by the very nature of their jobs, find themselves in tumultuous positions, where they need to respond correctly, and quickly. She does not seem to possess these qualities, and that opinion is shared by others in the profession, perhaps I'm the only one willing to state it publicly.

You also wrote: "And I guess if I gave someone a ride and they beat me up and raped me, i would have a pretty big chip on my shoulder."

I wasn't raped, but I was nearly killed, and I probably do have a chip on my shoulder. You've already admitted that you would feel the same way, so why are you ranting at me about it?

 

[anart]

Patience,

The beginning of your first sentence seems pretty accurate:
"I am just super overly sensitive". The second half, suggesting I lack empathy may be correct, but I think you need to walk a mile in my shoes before you get all riled up.

I think you might want to stop, Chang, and focus the attention back on yourself here. You are the one who has displayed disturbing thought processes and prejudices in this thread.

 

[Gonzo]

Chang,

You might have been talking about specific circumstances but then brought in generalizations to bolster you opinion. So, while you now try to defend the specific circumstances, you need to address the assumptions and generalizations that you offered. My guess is that you used these same generalizations to formulate your own opinions.

I agree, that this officer did not seem to present professionalism in her dealings with you, and her actions that led to her assault, as presented, were certainly unprofessional, unless there's more to the story. But to use hearsay from other officers or those somewhere in the periphery of law enforcement, who are part of, and affected by, a ponerized system, often unempathetic and insensitive to the human realities around them, and use it as fact in your decision making often limits your understanding of a situation.

The fact that you put an exclamation mark at the end of your statement "So instead of firing her for not following procedures, she ends up as a Sgt!" shows disbelief at her being made a sergeant, feeds faulty logic into your thoughts of why she was made a sergeant and closes your mind to consider other reasons. For example, there's a chance that officers traumatized by their work might be given desk duties, including desk sergeant. It could also be a way for a force to avoid a law suit from their employee. I'm sure there's many pother reasons that might add to a greater understanding of the hows and why behind such an event.

But to take a specific situation about one female officer, validate it through the use of a generalization to form an opinion of the officer, and then use that officer as proof of the generalization is the circular logic of a close mind that would rather be comfortable in holding certain beliefs than uncomfortable in challenging them, IMO.

So, while you might be right in thinking this one officer might be incapable of being professional, or, at the least, might show a history of bad judgment (not that we get to see how many good decisions this officer has made through her private and professional life), it is not necessarily sufficiently representative of female officers to draw any conclusions about female policing.

Can you see this?

Can you also see how two male officers telling you how embarrassed they were of their female colleagues behaviour represents either a ponerized system, a male perspective (uncaring at that), or just the opinion of a minority, albeit vocal, section of the force? This also needs to be put into context. Would these same two police officers be embarrassed if one of their colleagues were caught shaking down prostitutes for drugs and free sex under threat of arrest? What specifically are they embarrassed about? That she got caught? That she was weak and couldn't fend off an attack? That she was drunk? That she didn't follow procedure? That she put herself in a dangerous position? That the public might judge them for any and all of the above?

Did they display any caring for their colleague who, no matter how foolish she might have been, ended up traumatized possible for the rest of her life?

Your initial focus should be on the data you receive and not what you are told it amounts to. As a journalist, I called this the stories behind the story. It takes time and effort but gets closer to the truth than any perspective offered by those with much to lose or gain by what people think. It is in their nature and vested interest to present selective facts to generate specific thoughts. It would appear they were successful unless you can see beyond and behind the curtain.

Gonzo

 

[StrangeCaptain]

Patience,

The beginning of your first sentence seems pretty accurate:
"I am just super overly sensitive". The second half, suggesting I lack empathy may be correct, but I think you need to walk a mile in my shoes before you get all riled up.

"How is the embarassment of the state troopers even an issue in the face of rape?"

Well, considering two officers told me they felt embarrassed gave me that impression, sorry if that offends you. But in all fairness, I didn't give you the whole story.

Your post did read like you thought firing would be the proper reaction to a breaking of procedure leading to a rape. Others also saw things in your post that seemed callous to the idea of rape. If you don't want to be misunderstood, then express yourself more clearly. This forum is my home and if I see something like somebody showing an insensitivity towards sexual violence then I will mention it. If that is getting riled up, then I was riled up and will get riled up if I see it again. My remarks in no way invalidate your struggles with law enforcement officials nor were they meant to. However, your struggles do not excuse a callousness towards sexual violence (as if anything justifies such an act) if indeed such callousness does exist.

 

[truth seeker]

I was also under the impression that you were being callous towards rape. I'm also currently under the impression that you used the situation you related to bolster your already ingrained opinions of female cops and perhaps even women in general.

I understand that you may have been hurt in the past and while I appreciate that such suffering should be given it's due, there should not be any reason for you to think that your situation somehow makes your pain greater than others. Just as we may not know the specifics of what has been traumatic to you, you also cannot be aware of the traumatic situations of others. You may want to consider taking the same care towards finding out all of the facts just as you would want others to do with you.

While it may be clearer to you how the female cop has hurt others, one good thing to remember is that we all hurt each other in many ways. Some are just more subtle than others. Perhaps your own views on female cops (and I suspect women in general) are more hurtful than you realize.

 

[Chang]

Gonzo,

Thanks again, for another thought-provoking post. Its also nice to hear from someone that doesn't sound like a rabid feminist with tunnel vision.

I must say that I pretty much agree with most of what you had to say, and surprised to hear you've been a crime-beat reporter, I can only imagine how exciting AND rewarding that is!

While I'm sure everything you said regarding the females feeling they have to compensate for their short-comings, whether they are real or imagined, are true, one part of a sentence jumped out at me: "they have to somehow wield authority as a gender traditionally rendered powerless and yet not take advantage of the power vested in them," 'Not take advantage of the power vested in them'. Well, let me say right off the top, that I've seen both sexes exploit that area, and that is a big part of the reason I have so little confidence in cops.

Years ago, I had a problem customer, and in my haste to resolve the issue, I was accused of trespassing, which I didn't do.
I even had a State Trooper as a witness. But the customer became vindictive, and I buckled under the pressure, and ended up in a near-fatal car crash. After my recovery, I resumed the law proceedings (in retrospect, it was a really minor incident, from a legal viewpoint) only to find out the Trooper, who was a neighbor and friend of my ex-customer had changed his story! Evidently, they thought I was dead, or wouldn't recover, and so the freakin cop changed his story, and I had two Attorneys tell me that. So the mighty Maine State Troopers lost a little luster in my eyes, after that little stunt. I was innocent, but had to agree to some plea bargain, all because a cop crossed over that line between honest and dishonest.

That theme recurred a few years ago, this time a Sgt from the County Sheriffs Office lied to the DA. I wanted to fight it, but my attorney said 'They've got a cop that's going to say you told him you did it". Come to find out, the attorney was wrong, (beside the fact that I never said it) I wasn't Mirandized, so it was only hear-say, and therefore NOT evidence. I get this from a $225 an hour lawyer. So I had to take a plea agreement (one year probation) because another cop lied, SHEESH!!! Never committed ANY crime, but forced to take a plea agreement because of dirty cops. But I digress...

One of the female cops was actually quite personable, and I took a liking to her. She seemed like a straight-shooter, and appeared to be quite competent. Right up until I stuck my foot in my mouth (no, not me). The Monster Next Door (MND) stole my car one day, so I called the police. I spoke to a Deputy Duda (Doo Dah!, Doo Dah!) {sorry for the musical interlude}. Anyway, I waited for the cop to arrive, and in the meantime emailed the person the MND was renting from, and she called him and demanded he return my car, which he did, but not without threatening my life. This was early on in the relationship, and I actually almost voluntarily got in a fight with him. I really don't like being threatened! So about three hours later, I call the Deputy back, asking where the heck he was, and his reply: " Oh, you wanted me to come out"? I was dumbfounded. "Yeah, I thought thats what you guys did when someone breaks the law". He was silent. I spoke with his supervisor later, and they both seemed like they came from the same brainless breed-line.

So a month or two later, I was speaking with the female trooper that I trusted, somehow we got on the topic of Sheriffs Dept vs Maine State Troopers (they alternate patrolling our area every week) and me, Mr Foot-In-Mouth says, "I think those deputy's are a bunch of butt-holes, no offense.
She says "I do take offense, my husband works for them"! Mysteriously, we didn't seem to get along after that wonderful exchange. But she did influence the Deputy that filed false charges against me. The whole thing was a giant cluster muck, and I was smack in the middle. As you may know, cops gossip like a bunch of old hens, and I was way low on the totem pole of credibility. This was five years ago.

So to get back to the topic of gender bias, I've already said I misspoke (from a previous post) that female cops seemed to be more gullible, at least when dealing with sociopaths. But there have been many male coppers that were fooled just as easily, the one that sticks out was the Trooper that administers the Lie Detector tests (I think I mentioned this incident awhile back, also). When he told me what his job was, I immediately felt mucho respect for the guy, who was delivering my SECOND Protection Order. He left our place, went next door (I found out later that Jackie could hear the psycho raising his voice). Fifteen or twenty minutes later, the Trooper returns, and says: "When I left here, I thought it was an open and shut case, but now, I don't know what to think"! Un-freaking-believable!!!! I felt like crying after he left. Two days later, my favorite cat disappeared. Then I cried. It was the third one that was murdered by the Monster Next Door.
The cops say "I don't know anything about the cat"!

So I've finally admitted that its a no win situation, we have to move or be murdered, or psychologically tortured ad infinitum.

Thanks again for sharing your thoughts, and putting up with my ramblings!

Oh, one more thing, I revisited my list of Police, and their rating (their effectiveness, competence, honesty, etc) Out of 58 Law Officers, less than 10 percent received a positive rating. Two Troopers have my respect, and admiration, and two Deputys, and I'm sorta 'iffy' on the second deputy, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

Best Regards,

Chang

 

[Chang]

Anart,

"For what it's worth, I agree with your impression Patience and Chang's lack of empathy is alarming. I also find Chang's misogynistic posts in this thread to be very disconcerting, to say the least."

Misogynistic, me? Aside from the three Troopers that have let me down, time and time again, what leads you to believe I hate women?

You wouldn't happen to be of the female persuasion, would you?
I'm sure you realize I'm male.

Thanks!

Chang

P.S. If someone who was supposed to protect you failed miserably, involving an incident that was nothing short of Attempted Murder, would you tend to respect this person, or have feelings of contempt?