Charlie Kirk is dead... A sad day in history

That's the consensus of the gun people I know.


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G'day team. So all these internet experts are sure that it was a professional hit against Charlie Kirk. Few issues with that.

Firstly, professionals are trained to aim for the center of scene mass. With all the different variables involved, it's where you most likely get a round on target, right? You could say, all right, there could be a vest suspected, so a professional would aim for the head. Neither the center of scene mass or the head was hit. The round landed here from what I saw. In a way, the shooter got lucky. That's not that professional.

Secondly, 200 yards is not that big a distance to make If you've got a bit of tactical training or, for example, you're a hunter, civilian hunters with a decent, you know, dialed-in hunting rifle and decent scope will bring down deer at 200 yards daily easily. So the shot itself isn't that special. What you need to look at here is the prep. There was some serious planning and recce work that went in to get something, you know, a long, decently-sized rifle, to get it in a way that people weren't noticing, up onto a rooftop that had a perfect line of sight to the target.

And then there was even an exfil route. The shooter could go from one rooftop cross the roof of a walkway to another rooftop and then exfil from the situation away from where the fuss was caused, where the reaction was from the shot ringing out. That speaks to a level of professionalism and capability that what's known as fixated persons, so these crazy types, don't usually have. That is the one thing that makes me think it doesn't seem like the usual fixated person type run up with a pistol, pull a trigger. There's some planning and prep that went in, so...

If you really want to analyze these sorts of situations, team, stop looking at the shot. Everyone somehow thinks they're a ballistics expert when they're not. Check out the planning, check out the prep, and even the exfil route. That's what you need to look at. Time will tell, I guess.
 
I was watching the Alex’s discussing the Charlie Kirk assassination on The Duran. Going over the political assassinations of the 1960’s and the Kennedy brothers. Explaining how the public reaction was a consolidating effect in American society. The attacks being perceived as an attack on America itself.

I suppose then it’s no surprise in a time when so much of the country seems to hate America it seems to be having the opposite effect.
Seeing the hatred and realising just how programmed and brainwashed some of the population is made me think of America and “5D city on a hill” realising it may be too far gone.
But it is good in a sense that these deranged people full of hatred are openly showing what they are as it is allowing people to become aware that there is a portion of the extreme left who are too far gone and cannot be reasoned with. Awareness protects and as mentioned above these are not the kind of people you can trust or rely on in a crisis.

And how exactly do you expect to unite with those purple-haired crazies against any kind of external threat? You really want them in your camp, or anywhere near you, when you're trying to do anything that requires cooperation and wisdom and a steady hand?
This makes me think of the trope of characters in films like Harry Ellis in Die Hard. Where an obnoxious but not inherently evil individual will act disrespectfully towards the main villain seemingly without any self-preservation instinct functioning as a minor plot device when the villain inevitably kills them and in doing so raises the stakes establishing the other characters are in real peril and must act cautiously if they wish to avoid a similar fate.
I am getting the feeling something similar may play out with some of these insane people when things get bad.

Its not all bad of course and I can see a lot of people paying respects for Charlie Kirk and his work. I think it was in one of the clips in this thread showed him talking about how the youth conservative demographic is the biggest its been in decades so there is hope for the future at least in pushing back against the toxic ideologies.

Praying for Charlie Kirk and his family.
 
"Flags across the United States are flying at half-staff today in honor of Charlie Kirk,"

"President Trump issued a proclamation directing flags to be lowered through sunset on Sunday, September 14, as a mark of respect for Kirk’s memory"

"The shooting has been described by Utah’s governor as a “political assassination,”

JD Vance brings Charlie home to Arizona.


 
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I mean even if HAARP and/or greenbaum type stuff is involved, they still have to have the right cooperative brainwashed "death cult psycho", I'd think, and they put the finishing touches. I doubt they're taking intelligent people with strong will and a moral character and converting them into killers. Are we really supposed to just try to reason with them and explain to them why killing people is bad and laughing and celebrating their death is bad and they ought to be ashamed and reflect on their choices?

On the one hand, it seems like division can play into the hands of the PTB. Have them fight each other and distract them from the top of the pyramid so to speak. On the other hand, as someone else mentioned, shouldn't we be divided? Good vs evil? Truth vs lies? I get the idea that people want everyone to unite against the psychopaths at the top and ultimately to cut off 4D STS from their feeding tube. The C's said "against all when the time comes" when talking about the Nephilim invasion for example. But I believe they also mentioned that the specific "all" will be in 4D if I am not mistaken. And there's just no way these authoritarians are going to 4D any time soon. And how exactly do you expect to unite with those purple-haired crazies against any kind of external threat? You really want them in your camp, or anywhere near you, when you're trying to do anything that requires cooperation and wisdom and a steady hand?

You know how great tragedies/calamities (like 9/11 or and alien invasion) tend to unite people, have them put away their differences because they're all much more terrified of that new thing than of each other? Well, that's all fine and good - but only when their differences are relatively minor and blown out of proportion. The differences between people today are NOT minor or blown out of proportion, they are so fundamental, that I don't care who or what I have to contend with, I can't imagine joining up with the people who are currently cheering Charlie's death.

So I'm not convinced that we should be trying to make peace, have conversations, and somehow find common ground with those that seem so hopelessly ponerized and hell bent on destroying all that is good, moral, and true. I'm not advocating violence, just systematic shunning them from society, from your circle of friends, and even moving physically away from them. Draw a literal line in the sand, surround yourself with collinear people, collinear communities, etc. And yes call them what they really are, don't mince words.

Let them live in their bubble cities with the lizzies as the C's mentioned would happen. And yeah I get the idea that authoritarians can be good or bad depending on the influence, but Charlie was that influence and his death was a message from 4D STS, basically saying "you will not convince/influence my flock". Fine - screw you and screw your flock. I don't think this flock can be saved or reprogrammed. It seems more like an organ fully taken over by cancer that just needs to be removed at this point rather than treated. And in this case I'm talking separation, not violence. The organ will die all on its own if it isn't supported by the rest of the body anyway, cancer is entropic.

And how are we supposed to "influence" this ponerized flock anyway, realistically speaking? Charlie is dead. We got what.. Candace, Tucker? And how long before Candace and Tucker suffer the same fate? Are we just going to sit around praying for a new Charlie/Candace/Tucker to develop over a course of many years (which is what it takes), assuming anyone would even bother at that point? It takes a very special person with charisma, intelligence, will power, work ethic, and heart - and many years of growing your platform, only to be ended in a second with no effort. That doesn't feel fair - it feels like cheating, the playing field isn't level, STS are not being forced to put the same kind of effort to counteract it, they just pull a trigger and move on.

Sorry this turned out more like a rant, but I'm just feeling hopeless and angry, and kinda powerless at the moment. I want people to be pissed off, but I also realize that any violence will result in a police state. So the only thing I can think of is channeling that collective anger towards non-violent separation. The leftist don't actually produce anything in society or economy - we don't "need" them. We have the farms, the tradesmen, etc. They can keep their cities and their AI, and we will keep the backbone and lifeblood of civilization and family, and let's see how that works out for everybody.

Firstly, I don’t think any sane person on either side would argue much over what needs to be done to the part of the left that is totally lunatic/satanic/psychopathic. Secondly, I would still tend to think there is quite a big spectrum of lefty people, of which the most extreme/crazy ones are still a minority. Thirdly: I would still tend to think that there is a natural tendency to be lefty for young and semi young people and that almost all of us were also once pretty lefty. So I personally still think we might need to be careful and nuanced there and at least give people the benefit of a doubt, that at least some can grow up. Fourthly, I don’t think it is really about trying to change the left but simply to set firmer boundaries and be very clear what they can and can not do when it affects “us“ as well.
 
Is this just an intuition, or has there been any evidence of "other shooters"?

One day before 9/11.

A 'lucky' shot where he may have been aiming for the head and didn't account for the drop over distance and ended up hitting the top of his bulletproof plate that then ricocheted up, causing a fatal wound in the neck.

Two men who happened to be Jews were distracting police by claiming they did it/acting suspiciously.

A "normal" kid, no evidence of transgenderism or support for same but there were "trans activist messages on the bullets". But he shows significant professionalism in setting up the attempt and then escaping the scene without being caught.

Sorry, not buying this as a straight up "lone gunman". It's got Crooks vibes all over it IMO.
 
From all I have seen so far, when it comes to clear motives and signs, I think Mossad/Israel can be very reasonably suspected to be the prime suspects for directing what happened. No direct hardcore proof though. On the other hand this seems to be so clear (Israel/Mossad prime suspects) that you could almost ask if that isn’t meant to be seen exactly like that and/or something else is at play?
 
For all the talk about "creating division", we shouldn't pretend that the absolute, soul-smashing insanity of the left during the last 20 years (much longer, really) doesn't exist. These people are insane, many are psychos, and it all created an environment of complete inversion of reality. And they have infected a great many minds, even "normal" people by ponerological osmosis. The only way to fight this is to create a harsh atmosphere and a society that sends a clear message that this is off-limits now, and there will be consequences for promoting this insanity.

The problem at the heart of liberalism is to pretend that all people are equal, and therefore "everyone needs an equal voice". Great in theory, but in practice there is a hierarchy: some people are better than others. There are psychos, there are OPs, there are authoritarian followers etc. And then there are bright, wise people with a soul. the crazy ones, shun them socially, and OPs/authoritarian followers are like children that need firm guidance for society to succeed, and for that, toxic influences need to be removed or minimized. Part of this is to "cancel" punish them swiftly in the case of criminal offenses. Division is only bad if it's not based in reality, and not geared towards good. Dividing good from evil on the other hand is necessary. Yes, there is a lot of "outrage bait", but some outrage is more than justified.
Yes, a 'backlash' from this tragedy in the form of the bright, wise people with a soul taking decisive action to root out the toxic lefty authoritarians would be most welcome. Like many people, I suppose, I've been guilty of being too ready to see the polarising effects of such events and thinking that that was 'what the psychos want, so therefore its a bad idea', which may be partly true as far as it goes, but of course some division is entirely necessary. As you say, dividing good from evil is absolutely necessary. The lefty authoritarians who publicly celebrate such an egregious public execution do indeed need to be 'minimized' and face the justice they deserve.
I thank you also, Luc, for putting words to a feeling that has been building in me this last 24hrs. Yes, I have been suffering. Yes, I'm outraged.
 
If this checks out , as it seems... ( older and thinner in more recent photo, if it's the same person ?)


Is that only based on this (4 years old?) video of Zinn telling us „where he was in the twin towers“ or are there more reports from earlier that speak about him „ being there“?:


And is this actually the same guy they initially arrested? Looks pretty similar to me:


Also note that you can find a video of Zinns arrest in the last link above. I couldn’t yet find earlier reports or statements confirming that he really was there in the twin towers on 9/11. Are there any credible reports?
 
From all I have seen so far, when it comes to clear motives and signs, I think Mossad/Israel can be very reasonably suspected to be the prime suspects for directing what happened. No direct hardcore proof though. On the other hand this seems to be so clear (Israel/Mossad prime suspects) that you could almost ask if that isn’t meant to be seen exactly like that and/or something else is at play?

In other words the Israel/Mossad angle almost sounds “too obvious to be true“ and/or as if something more is going on here.
 
I don't see it quite the same way. Periods of political instability characterized by assassination and terror attacks follow historical patterns. Read Peter Turchin's Ages of Discord, for example. The West is going through the tail end of a secular cycle when this type of thing is to be expected, so while it may be out of the ordinary in terms of the past 60 years or so, it isn't when you go back just 150 years.
I think it's quite similar to the 60s: strong racial and ideological polarization, strong anti-war sentiment, riots, and political assassinations.
 
One day before 9/11.
Yes.
A 'lucky' shot where he may have been aiming for the head and didn't account for the drop over distance and ended up hitting the top of his bulletproof plate that then ricocheted up, causing a fatal wound in the neck.
Yes.
Two men who happened to be Jews were distracting police by claiming they did it/acting suspiciously.
It was a Charlie Kirk event, which draw all manner of people, including crazy Jewish activists. Zinn is a serial activist/agitator. Does that make him an accomplice? Maybe? It's definitely curious, but that's all that can be said with any confidence. Anything more than that is a reach.
The elderly man detained after apparently falsely admitting to shooting Charlie Kirk is a known political agitator with a string of bizarre arrests dating back to the 1980s, according to reports.

George Zinn — the 71-year-old whom police hauled away in viral footage minutes after Kirk was shot at Utah Valley University on Wednesday — is known in local political circles as a strange man who frequently appears at events, and almost as frequently is tossed out.

Almost every political event you can think of, there was always George somewhere in the background, listening,” Salt Lake County District Attorney Sim Gill told the Salt Lake Tribune.
It would have been anomalous if Zinn weren't there and didn't make a scene.
A "normal" kid, no evidence of transgenderism or support for same but there were "trans activist messages on the bullets".
There's no evidence there were any such trans messages. There were allegedly anti-fascist messages typical of the "terminally online", though. (Bx commented on one.) His conservative family reportedly told police he had become very "political" lately. Either way, we don't know what his thoughts on trans were and it doesn't seem relevant.
But he shows significant professionalism in setting up the attempt and then escaping the scene without being caught.
According to his ACT scores, he was highly intelligent. The police had six officers covering the entire event (in addition to Kirk's private security). Judging by the footage, it was not difficult to escape the scene without being caught.
Sorry, not buying this as a straight up "lone gunman". It's got Crooks vibes all over it IMO.
You don't have to buy it. It's entirely possible he took the shot, had no help on the ground, and yet did not act alone. His friend apparently showed police shared Discord messages. If he was active on certain Discord groups, that would be a perfect place to groom and manage him. (Follow Bx to see the kind of crazy stuff that goes on in kids Discord groups.)
 
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