Charlie Kirk is dead... A sad day in history

Also note that you can find a video of Zinns arrest in the last link above. I couldn’t yet find earlier reports or statements confirming that he really was there in the twin towers on 9/11. Are there any credible reports?
Found these just now re. George Zinn.

@Bitchute interview Link

@youtube ( it seems) AI short channel "NY pulse" on C. Kirk and some photos of him Link

Short bio from Grok :
  • George Hodgson Zinn (sometimes reported as George Zinn or George Hudson Zinn) is a resident of Utah, USA, described as a local "troublemaker" with a history of disruptive behavior in political and religious circles.
  • Background and History:
    • He was arrested in 2013 for making a bomb threat at the Salt Lake City Marathon, highlighting early patterns of public disturbances.
    • Zinn has been banned from contacting the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) and certain government officials due to repeated incidents, including trespassing charges. Salt Lake County District Attorney Sim Gill has described him as "politically conservative, leaning libertarian."
    • Reports suggest he exhibits a "Messiah complex" and has stirred controversy in Utah's religious communities, though details on his personal life, occupation, or education are limited in public records.
 
I'm glad to see improvements in the FBI since the Trump administration has taken over and bad actors are being thrown out. In the shooting of the children in the church recently, the killers 25 (?) page manifesto was released quickly unlike during the Biden admin where everything was hidden for ever. In this case the FBI/police quickly released all the video footage they had to the public and other details All areas of law enforcements worked together as they should. Kash Patel, in his public statement, emphasized this fact and the importance of law enforcement being allowed to do there job which wasn't the case during the Biden years where they where suppressed as much as possible. I'm noticing this being stated in other cases as well during press statements.

In other areas we're seeing lots of successful raids on drug smugglers and traffickers as well as human trafficking.
 
For those of you who didn't know who Kirk was before this happened, and are maybe wondering why it's generating such intense emotions and reactions, the prime minister of Israel - who is currently fighting for his political life while overseeing the genocide of Gaza, daily attacks against multiple Mid-East neighboring countries, VIP activists on the Free Gaza flotilla in the Mediterranean, and (probably) false-flag massacres of his own people - is VERY interested in contributing to the US national conversation about Kirk:

 
Just needing to get this off my chest. Ever since it happened and I saw the footage, I've been feeling a pit in my stomach. It's probably one of the most brutal things I've seen, to see an innocent good-hearted young man being shot so suddenly and so publicly, and later learning that his wife and kids were present. It really shows the kind of evil that we're dealing with, the kind of blatant evil we see every day in you-know-where. I agree with others that this could be a 'program change', almost as if the bullet that was meant for Trump hit Charlie instead. His death could be a warning for many in his network.

I remember seeing a clip of one of his debates a long while ago, and I thought he did a great job, being very respectful, not trying to 'win', but trying to have an honest discussion. Most recently I saw another clip where someone did a good job of challenging him, and he still stayed respectful. He seemed likeable and I can see why people loved him who were close to him. Just a normal dude with an interest in finding out the truth, and who knows how close he got to some truths close to his end. At least, that's how he came across to me.

I hope he's in a good place and that his transition wasn't too traumatic and I hope that his wife and children can overcome their great loss.
 
For those of you who didn't know who Kirk was before this happened, and are maybe wondering why it's generating such intense emotions and reactions, the prime minister of Israel - who is currently fighting for his political life while overseeing the genocide of Gaza, daily attacks against multiple Mid-East neighboring countries, VIP activists on the Free Gaza flotilla in the Mediterranean, and (probably) false-flag massacres of his own people - is VERY interested in contributing to the US national conversation about Kirk:

Yeah, it's nauseating. He really wants everyone to know that Kirk was a big Israel supporter. We were joking here the other day:
Netanyahu: I just want everyone to know that in his final letter to me, Charlie Kirk made sure to tell me how much he loves Israel and that he wanted to reassure me and everyone in the world that October 7 was most definitely not a false flag and Jews are most definitely not responsible for creating and maintaining modern leftism. He officially recanted anything bad he ever said about Israel and was planning on coming to Israel to hang out with me and tell me more about how amazing Israel is and how the biggest honor he feels is to be able to be a Christian defender of Israel. I just wanted everyone to know what this amazing pro-Israel supporter told me.
 
the prime minister of Israel - who is currently fighting for his political life while overseeing the genocide of Gaza, daily attacks against multiple Mid-East neighboring countries, VIP activists on the Free Gaza flotilla in the Mediterranean, and (probably) false-flag massacres of his own people - is VERY interested in contributing to the US national conversation about Kirk:
When public opinion turns against you in such a momentous way its cause for great worry I'd say. In the USA, as all other countries, if you don't have the consent of the governed your toast and so the colossal machinations to constantly suppress and control the people is an obsession for the ptb. But they are only a very few and we are many. Who is above all areas of government in the USA Constitution, The People.
 
From the Grayzone. Looks like Israel tried to buy off Kirk and Turning Point and it didn't work. That may have been when the decision to take him out was borne.


A Trump insider and longtime friend of Charlie Kirk tells The Grayzone how the assassinated conservative leader’s turning point on Israeli influence provoked a private backlash from Netanyahu’s allies that left him angry and afraid.

The source said anxiety spread within the Trump administration after an apparent Israeli spying operation was uncovered.

Charlie Kirk rejected an offer earlier this year from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to arrange a massive new infusion of Zionist money into his Turning Point USA (TPUSA) organizatio
n, America’s largest conservative youth association, according to a longtime friend of the slain commentator speaking on the condition of anonymity. The source told The Grayzone that the late pro-Trump influencer believed Netanyahu was trying to cow him into silence as he began to publicly question Israel’s overwhelming influence in Washington and demanded more space to criticize it.


In the weeks leading up to his September 10 assassination, Kirk had come to loathe the Israeli leader, regarding him as a “bully,” the source said. Kirk was disgusted by what he witnessed inside the Trump administration, where Netanyahu sought to personally dictate the president’s personnel decisions, and weaponized Israeli assets like billionaire donor Miriam Adelson to keep the White House firmly under its thumb.

According to Kirk’s friend, who also enjoyed access to President Donald Trump and his inner circle, Kirk strongly warned Trump last June against bombing Iran on Israel’s behalf. “Charlie was the only person who did that,” they said, recalling how Trump “barked at him” in response and angrily shut down the conversation. The source believes the incident confirmed in Kirk’s mind that the president of the United States had fallen under the control of a malign foreign power, and was leading his own country into a series of disastrous conflicts.


By the following month, Kirk had become the target of a sustained private campaign of intimidation and free-floating fury by wealthy and powerful allies of Netanyahu – figures he described in an interview as Jewish “leaders” and “stakeholders.”

“He was afraid of them,” the source emphasized.

At TPUSA, the rift with Israel widens​

Kirk was 18 years old when he launched TPUSA in 2012. From its inception, his career was propelled by Zionist donors, who showered his young organization with money through neoconservative outfits like the David Horowitz Freedom Center. He repaid his wealthy backers over the years by unleashing a relentless firehose of anti-Palestinian and Islamophobic diatribes, accepting propaganda trips to Israel, and sternly shutting down nationalist forces challenging his support for Israel during TPUSA events. In the Trump era, few American gentiles had proved more valuable to the self-proclaimed Jewish state than Charlie Kirk.

But as Israel’s genocidal assault on the besieged Gaza Strip drove an unprecedented backlash within grassroots right-wing circles, where only 24% of younger Republicans now sympathize with Israel over the Palestinians, Kirk began to shift. At times, he toed the Israeli line, spreading disinformation about babies beheaded by Hamas on October 7, and denying the famine imposed on the population of Gaza. Yet he simultaneously ceded to his base, wondering aloud if Jeffrey Epstein was an Israeli intelligence asset, questioning whether the Israeli government allowed the October 7 attacks to proceed in order to advance long-term political goals, and parroting narratives familiar to his most vociferous critic on the right, streamer Nick Fuentes.

This July, at his TPUSA Student Action Summit, Kirk provided a forum for the right-wing grassroots to vent its fury about Israel’s political hammerlock on the Trump administration. There, speakers from former Fox News stalwarts Tucker Carlson and Megyn Kelly, to the anti-Zionist Jewish comedian Dave Smith, denounced Israel’s blood-soaked assault on the besieged Gaza Strip, branded Jeffrey Epstein as an Israeli intelligence asset, and openly taunted Zionist billionaires like Bill Ackman for “getting away with scams” despite having “no actual skills.”



Following the confab, Kirk was bombarded with infuriated text messages and phone calls from Netanyahu’s wealthy allies in the US, including many who had funded TPUSA. According to his longtime friend, the Zionist donors treated Kirk with outright contempt, essentially ordering him to fall back into line.

“He was being told what you’re not allowed to do, and it was driving him crazy,” Kirk’s friend recalled. The conservative youth leader was not only alienated by the hostile nature of the interactions, but “frightened” by the backlash.

The friend’s account dovetails with those of multiple right-wing commentators with access to Kirk.

“I think, in the end, Charlie was going through a spiritual transformation,” Candace Owens, a conservative influencer who shifted decisively against Israel after October 7, reflected after her friend’s killing. “I know it, he was going through a lot. There was a lot of pressure, and it’s hard for me to watch the people who were pressuring him just say the things that they’re saying.”

She continued: “They wanted him to lose everything for changing or even slightly modifying an opinion. It’s very hurtful to me.”

Kirk appeared visibly outraged during an August 6 interview with conservative host Megyn Kelly, as he discussed the menacing messages he was receiving from pro-Israel bigwigs.

“It’s all of the sudden: ‘oh, Charlie: he’s no longer with us.’ Wait a second—what does ‘with us’ mean, exactly? I’m an American, okay? I represent this country,” he explained, before addressing the powerful Zionist interests harassing him.

“The more that you guys privately and publicly call our character into question—which is not isolated, it would be one thing if it were just one text, or two texts; it is dozens of texts—then we start to say, ‘whoa, hold the boat here,’” Kirk continued. “To be fair, some really good Jewish friends say, ‘that’s not all of us’… But these are leaders here. These are stakeholders.”

He went on to complain to Kelly, “I have less ability… to criticize the Israeli government than actual Israelis do. And that’s really, really weird.”

In one of his final interviews, conducted with Israel’s premier influencer in the United States, Ben Shapiro, Kirk once again tried to raise the issue of censorship of Israel critics.

“A friend said to me, interestingly: ‘Charlie, okay, we’ve pushed back against the media on COVID, on lockdowns, on Ukraine, on the border,’” Kirk told Shapiro on September 9. “Maybe we should also ask the question: is the media totally presenting the truth when it comes to Israel? Just a question!”



According to Kirk’s longtime friend, Kirk’s resentment of Netanyahu and the Israel lobby was spreading within Trump’s inner circle. In fact, they said, the president himself was terrified of Netanyahu’s wrath, and feared the consequences of defying him.

During the past year, the Trump insider was told by contacts in the White House that the Secret Service had caught Israeli government personnel placing electronic devices on its emergency response vehicles on two separate occasions.

While The Grayzone was unable to confirm the story with the Secret Service or White House, such an incident would not have been unprecedented. Indeed, according to a report in Politico citing three former senior US officials, a cellphone spying device was placed by Israeli agents “near the White House and other sensitive locations around Washington” toward the end of Trump’s first term in 2019.

Former UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson recounted a similar incident in his memoir, writing that his security team found a listening device in his bathroom soon after Netanyahu used his personal toilet.

The Israel-did-it theory​

Kirk was killed this September 10 with a single shot fired by a sniper apparently positioned on a rooftop 200 meters away. He was shot while seated before a crowd of thousands at Utah State University in Orem, Utah on the first leg of his American Comeback Tour. The scene of Kirk collapsing from the impact of a gunshot to his neck just as he began answering a question about transgender mass shooters was perhaps the most shockingly vivid spectacle of assassination – and certainly the most viral – in human history.

There is currently no evidence of an Israeli government role in Kirk’s assassination. However, that has not stopped thousands of social media users from speculating that the pro-Trump operative’s shifting views on the issue contributed in some way to his death. By the time of publication, over 100,000 Twitter/X users have liked a September 11 post by libertarian influencer Ian Carroll declaring about Kirk, “He was their friend. He basically dedicated his life to them. And they murdered him in front of his family. Israel just shot themselves.”

Many advancing the unsubstantiated theory have pointed to a Twitter/X post by Harrison Smith, a personality at the pro-Trump Infowars network, stating on August 13 – almost a month before Kirk’s assassination – that he was told by “someone close to Charlie Kirk that Kirk thinks Israel will kill him if he turns against Israel.”

The frenzied speculation has set off shockwaves in Tel Aviv, where Netanyahu was compelled to explicitly deny that his government killed Kirk during a September 11 interview with NewsMax.



Netanyahu and his allies bury the Kirk crisis as “big tent” collapses​

That appearance was just one of several interviews and statements the Prime Minister dedicated to Kirk in the wake of his killing in an effort to frame the late conservative leader’s legacy in a uniformly pro-Israel light. The major public relations push has occurred while Netanyahu wages a military campaign on seven fronts, punctuated by a regional assassination spree that most recently reached into the heart of Qatar, a US ally.



Netanyahu first tweeted prayers for Kirk at 3:02 PM in the afternoon on September 10, minutes after news of the shooting broke. He has since authored three additional posts about Kirk, even breaking away from the Israeli war cabinet to spend the afternoon of September 11 memorializing the conservative leader on Fox News.

During that interview, Netanyahu did his best to insinuate that Israel’s enemies were responsible for murdering Kirk, despite the fact no suspect was named or in custody at the time:

“The radical Islamists and their union with the ultra-progressives—they often speak about ‘human rights,’ they speak about ‘free speech’—but they use violence to try to take down their enemies,” the Prime Minister told Harris Faulkner.

In a September 10 Twitter/X post eulogizing the conservative leader, the Israeli Prime Minister described a recent phone conversation with Kirk.

“I spoke to him only two weeks ago and invited him to Israel,” Netanyahu declared. “Sadly, that visit will not take place.”


Left unmentioned was whether Kirk declined the invitation—just as he did with the Prime Minister’s offer to reload TPUSA’s coffers with donations from his coterie of wealthy American Jewish cutouts.

At the time of publication, a 22-year-old resident of Utah has been taken into custody after supposedly confessing to killing Kirk. The public may soon learn the true motives of the alleged assassin. Perhaps they will fuel the narrative which Trump and his allies advanced in the immediate wake of the shooting – that a leftist radical was responsible, and that a wave of draconian repression must follow.

But after the shooter’s initial escape and a series of federal law enforcement mishaps, a large sector of Americans will likely never believe the official story. Nor will they ever know where Kirk’s turning point on Israel would have taken the conservative movement.

Four days before the assassination, frustration among pro-Israel commentators bubbled over in public during an Fox News interview in which Ben Shapiro launched a chilling attack on Kirk without naming him.

“The problem with a ‘big tent’ is that you may end up with many clowns inside,” Shapiro told Fox host and fellow Zionist gatekeeper Mark Levin in an apparent critique of TPUSA.

“Just because you’re saying somebody votes Republican—that doesn’t mean that they ought to be the preacher at the front of the church, they’re not the person that ought to be leading the movement, if they are spending all day criticizing the President of the United States as ‘covering up a Mossad rape ring’ or ‘being a tool of the Israelis for hitting an Iranian nuclear facility.’”

When Kirk took his usual place at the “front of the church” four days later, he was cut down by a sniper’s bullet.

Within 24 hours of Kirk’s death, Shapiro announced that he would be launching his own campus speaking tour, vowing: “We’re gonna pick up that blood stained microphone where Charlie left it.”
 
Good article from the Grayzone with more info on Kirk's thoughts on Israel and really shows the two-faced chutzpah behind Netanyahu's statements:

A Trump insider and longtime friend of Charlie Kirk tells The Grayzone how the assassinated conservative leader’s turning point on Israeli influence provoked a private backlash from Netanyahu’s allies that left him angry and afraid.​

The source said anxiety spread within the Trump administration after an apparent Israeli spying operation was uncovered.​

In the weeks leading up to his September 10 assassination, Kirk had come to loathe the Israeli leader, regarding him as a “bully,” the source said. Kirk was disgusted by what he witnessed inside the Trump administration, where Netanyahu sought to personally dictate the president’s personnel decisions, and weaponized Israeli assets like billionaire donor Miriam Adelson to keep the White House firmly under its thumb.
 
Now it seems thw are giving us the "MIXED SIGNALS" treatment, where now all the suspects have seemingly co tradicting affiliations.

The church suspect had all these perfectly writen affiliations and mixed signals all over the place.


My money is in that it was israel paying finding the perfect psycho then adding ground and gps support.
 
I’ve been in a pretty weird mood all day today and yesterday. Shocked, sad, and defeated. And I wasn't even a huge fan, there were things I strongly disagreed with him on. But he was a good man with strong morals and his heart in the right place. One that tried to build a bridge and lead through discourse. He didn’t deserve this. It’s nauseating what they did to him and his family.

This evening I felt a need to listen to Amazing Grace. I just needed something positive to hold on to. So I went to YouTube and clicked on one of the first versions that came up. Turns out I wasn’t the only one who felt that need. The recent comments under the video are all about Charlie Kirk. Quite random - but somehow heartwarming. I just hope the energy his death unleashed in people will be coined into something good:

 
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Within 24 hours of Kirk’s death, Shapiro announced that he would be launching his own campus speaking tour, vowing: “We’re gonna pick up that blood stained microphone where Charlie left it.”
Oh no, what a scary thought. Not a chance Shapiro could replace Charlie since he's a type of hybrid space alien with poor social skills that annoy. Hyped up, mechanical and cold with looks that shred the viewer. Charlie was a human.
 
Oh no, what a scary thought. Not a chance Shapiro could replace Charlie since he's a type of hybrid space alien with poor social skills that annoy. Hyped up, mechanical and cold with looks that shred the viewer. Charlie was a human.
The arrogance of him. Shapiro is such a smarmy little rodent. There's no way he could ever replace Kirk. Can anyone honestly see Shapiro patiently advising young men and women to work hard, go to church and raise stable, loving families? But you go on with your bad self Ben, and see how far you get. :barf:
 
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