Charlie Kirk is dead... A sad day in history

Hmm, could be actually! I'd discounted a bird due to its speed, but if it's in the foreground, right up near the camera, it's just a bug.
The Skinwalker Ranch guys have mistaken bugs a couple times before for UFOs. Mick West, the insufferable skeptic debunker, made some posts about it below. West is a tricky guy because he will debunk everything, but when he's right he's right.


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Anyone knows who this Patriotic Blonde is? She makes sense:

It's not like the government hasn't been convicted of having blood on its hands before. Civil suit found US government guilty in King assassination in 1999 , or that other young, charismatic, famous people with the potential to unify folks against the entrenched power structure have been killed or died under suspicious circumstances (JFK, RFK, Malcom X, John Lennon, Princess Di, JFK Jr.).
 
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I wanna talk about the reaction from people on the left.

Some people are celebrating and for a time they keep bringing George Floyd.

I remember when George Floyd happen and i was just as horrified at the video, and i understand the facts came out later and they were witholding the rest of the video and context but it wasn't anything short of disturbing nontheless.

Many people on the right jumped to defend and even mock and be "hyper-logical" but beyond that, people on the right were at times deliverately dismissing the significance of it.

He became a representation of unchecked police violence and racial misery and the tipping point of constant profiling of blacks, even if he was a criminal and a drugadict, AND even if there is a basis to it, i found it insensitive and intentionally dismissive and the commulitive effect of real abuse and imaginary rethoric build up.

Having said that, for a while i found that the movement against white people went into full gear and DEI and all this other stuff became very popular and whites themselves were looking for "their own George Floyd" moment.

Many pages were doing the same thing as the left, of using singled out incidents to make a case for racial discrimination against whites and even fueling the more extreme eugenic stances against blacks.

The posts I'm reading, are very similar as those I would read during the Floyd riots.


I can understand their sentiment from that perspective, and the lack of sympathy for someone else's dead which further fuels the anger and discontent against leftist in this case form right leaning people.
Groypers (to this day) mock and meme about Floyd which to me is gross, though i also understand that for groyoers and black-getto fatigued people, Floyd represents the overall state of black culture and black indoctrination and the need to not ignore and do something about it, i still find it kinda gross the way to deliver that message.

You can argue the masses are past the point of mincing words and negotiatingand trting to compromise but still.

I will mention it has been mostly white leftist i've seen celebrating Charlie's death (that i've seen)

And just like during George Floyd, there are immediate doxing and firing and persecution of people , which as much as i agree that these people should just rot, i can't help but to recall how everyone was persecuted during Floyd's riots in a very similar way.

As an individual, I can't ignore it.. and the masses will do and behave as the masses move and behave, people are ready for vengance and tired of the ridiculous and ilogical leftist stances that are eroding society.

As an individual, i think israel did this, but as part of the masses i feel the intense emotional charge against all these leftists.



I see it as if a friend dies and then a leftist shows up and starts laughing. Yeah i don't believe a leftist did it, (i believe it was mossad) but they are putting massive targets over their heads by borderline claiming reponsability and rejoicing at the DISGUSTING violence.

If they (the left) are not guilty of killing him, they ARE guilty of being bloodthirsty, derranged demonic nests and waste of space. and just like Israel deserves the spotlight so do they for being straight up diabolical. And yes just like bad cops need to be put on blast, im not gonna defend people openly rejoicing. They are free to put a target on their heads.



I think the mudding of the waters around the motive, and around the time it took them to "find the suspect" and how they were gonna spin this narrative to extract the best result for their agenda is sloppy.


I would have thought the perfect person to replace Charlie would have been Michael Knowles or Katlin Bennet (who are known for campus style debates) but i did NOT expect or believe for a moment they would put Ben Shapiro of all people in his place. Really stupid move IMO.
They clearly want a pro zionist (who is willingly on board with everything Nethanyahu says)
As Ian Caroll said on his show (a must watch) it's terrible optics
 
Apparently this is the guy who was caught on camera wildly cheering near the podium/tent the moment Kirk was shot:


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Is that supposed to be an apology? :nuts:
 
The Skinwalker Ranch guys have mistaken bugs a couple times before for UFOs. Mick West, the insufferable skeptic debunker, made some posts about it below. West is a tricky guy because he will debunk everything, but when he's right he's right.


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"Something weird" is an understatement. Maybe, a really weird bug. :lol:

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I think it is just generally often very hard to tell the difference between a bug flying at some proximity to a camera lens or something much further away (like a UFO or drone for example). It is very hard to judge the distance from the lens to the object unless you have some clear reference points that the object is passing that can give you clues. I watched it and I‘m unable to tell either way. Could be both IMO.
 
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Same poster (Degainz) reposting a post on Kirk's security team:

Just speaking generally, since I've been listening to the George Webb material, which gets very involved, but just to put together a few ideas here... so, Tyler Robinson received a... well, here's what a quick search on his academic record tells us:

Tyler Robinson Scholarship and University Record​

Tyler Robinson, the 22-year-old suspect in the murder of Charlie Kirk, earned a $32,000 resident presidential scholarship to Utah State University based on his academic achievements, including an ACT score of 34 out of 36, placing him in the top 1% of test takers. He attended Utah State University for one semester in 2021 after graduating from Pine View High School in St. George, Utah, but dropped out, and the reason for his departure remains unclear.

  • Robinson received the four-year scholarship to Utah State University, which was celebrated in a family video posted on Facebook in March 2021.
  • Despite the scholarship and strong academic record, he did not continue beyond his first semester at Utah State.
  • After leaving Utah State, Robinson enrolled in an electrical apprenticeship program at Dixie Technical College in St. George, where he was a third-year student at the time of his arrest

So, as you see, Robinson is a top student, earns a presidential scholarship to Utah State (where he was a mechanical engineering major).

Tyler Robinson's father is a 27-year veteran of the Washington County Sheriff’s Department in Utah. Webb also mentions Robinson's brother, who, along with Tyler, had weapons training on the nearby Navojo reservation (meaning: the CIA uses these Indian/Native American reservations for such training).

With this manner of research, what starts to become clear is that the participation in covert ops in the region is a Robinson family affair.
George Webb's meta data indicates Tyler moved to Dixie Tech to get further technical training as part of covert ops being run out of these schools. He has the same training as the Trump shooter, Crooks (with his background in engineering). The covert ops has students like Robinson with AP math aptitude (and with connections, as per his father's history) train as mechanics for explosives in Ukraine. One trip there yields one hundred grand (which might indicate where the new gray Charger came from -- another thread to pursue, as in: was it bought with cash?). Meanwhile, Astrid Tuminez, the head of the university where Kirk was shot "micromanaged" (Webb's language) drug running through AIG (as well as other transnational corporations). Another thread to pursue: how did she get the job at Utah Valley University?

This last piece points to the drug running operations through these universities, money used to finance the covert operations.

In the earlier Webb video I mentioned, Webb talks about Mitt Romney and his "LDL assassin team." I believe it's Mitt Romney's father who is half Mexican and, according to Webb, killed men in Mexico and stole their wives for their Mormon compounds. I don't know whether this shooting will be traced back to the Romney connection, but it's a thread to be considered. Drug running is at issue here as well. And Romney is an avowed enemy of Trump.

Also of interest: according to Webb, there is a rogue/former ATF group headquartered in St. George (and Webb called the shots on where the plane related to the Kirk shooting was going before it took off given Webb's prior trips and on the ground research in St. George some time ago). These men, Webb alleges, are the advance team for the Kirk assassination, and the ones on the plane set to go at nearby Provo Airport once they got word that the shot was fired. (Monkeywerx on Youtube has the data on the planes, if you're interested.)

So, this disaffected ATF group stands ready for hire. They all have motorcycles and tour together in places like Brice Canyon (for example). Their disaffection dates back to Obama's Fast and Furious operation, which became a major scandal. Webb also links them to Iran Contra.

Webb urged Kash Patel to bring his team to Utah, and set up shop there -- which Patel subsequently did. Webb is urging him to follow all leads, and one wonders whether Patel will do the brave thing and do so. At stake for those operatives involved is long term covert ops tied to drug running and Ukraine. Opening this up to mass public exposure would certainly be explosive (which is why we seldom get beyond the lone gunman scenarios as far as mainstream news coverage goes).

No doubt as this form of research unfolds, more will be learned as to the targeting of Charlie Kirk specifically. However, given this is a state run operation, I think it advisable to step back from the left vs. right, woke vs. Christian, trans-terrorist thematics at the present time. The Discord messaging ap people have indicated the messages being discussed (relating to Robinson) are not to be found even in code on their system. So, there would seem to be a lot of smoke and mirrors in this. Is the trans roommate angle also unreliable?

My sense is that those running these operations are desperately trying to stoke the flames of division (by pushing the trans angle, for example) primarily to cover their own tracks. As long as they keep the public at each other's throats they can keep going with their clandestine operations.
 
Sorry, but Gerge Webb has an awful track record, and maybe it's just me, but I don't trust anything he says.
Hi aragorn. Yes, we discussed Webb in the past. And I do find his style too cryptic at times. However, the reason I check in with him, especially when events such as the Kirk shooting occur, is that his long-time on the ground research into the background of such operations does bring up material you don't easily find elsewhere. I don't always agree with his conclusions, which is probably where your take on his poor track record comes in. But in looking at covert ops, there isn't going to be a lot of smoking gun evidence, which is where the meta data comes in. So, I learn a lot about the behind the scenes players and scenarios, even if Webb's conclusions don't always pan out. In other words, you can take the meta data and run with it yourself. You don't have to agree with how he construes things. Anyway, that's why I keep him as a source. I do learn a lot from him.
 
"Something weird" is an understatement. Maybe, a really weird bug. :lol:

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From Trump's assassination video's, I tried to extract some clear image. I used Befunky software to remove noise at that time. I am not sure what type of algorithm's it uses. I repeatedly applied that tool's 'denoise' function - probably 4 or 5 times. I got the same image. I thought it is UFO. But, C's said it is high speed drone. You got almost similar image and thought that is interesting to mention.
 
Here's the full video of him "cheering", puts a different spin on it. He was "rallying the crowd", with "USA! USA!" not cheering the shooting. It's an example of how subtle editing can change the look of something entirely.


I think you are likely right. I now also checked his previous messages after the incident on his X account and I would say it points in that direction too. Context is everything and it is very easy to paint a wrong picture of a situation or people via editing. I apologize for posting what I did previously about him and I just deleted that post. I don’t want to spread misinformation and contribute to hurting innocent people.
 
Hi aragorn. Yes, we discussed Webb in the past. And I do find his style too cryptic at times. However, the reason I check in with him, especially when events such as the Kirk shooting occur, is that his long-time on the ground research into the background of such operations does bring up material you don't easily find elsewhere. I don't always agree with his conclusions, which is probably where your take on his poor track record comes in. But in looking at covert ops, there isn't going to be a lot of smoking gun evidence, which is where the meta data comes in. So, I learn a lot about the behind the scenes players and scenarios, even if Webb's conclusions don't always pan out. In other words, you can take the meta data and run with it yourself. You don't have to agree with how he construes things. Anyway, that's why I keep him as a source. I do learn a lot from him.
Heather,

Thank you for posting the video.I found it very interesting and quite amazing he was already a step ahead of Kash Patel going to St. George, Utah the day after the assassination. I have watched him off and on over a few years and I hold him at arms length, not embracing every conclusion he comes to. He can be a little scatterbrained because he is an intense guy, but I have no doubt in his ability to investigate The meta data is the meta data and he pulls on every string. I do learn a lot from him as well. I would not be so quick to disregard what he has to say. imho
 
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