Charlie Kirk is dead... A sad day in history

Don't know what to make of this, there are many possibilities. Perhaps Israel diddit, but they were surprised by the public reaction immediately blaming them and connecting the dots to Kirk turning on Israel (well, they should have seen that coming).
I was thinking that Israel just casually bombing Qatar (a US ally) a few days before that may have contributed to the public perception that they are unhinged psychos who see themselves above the law and are capable of anything. In addition to the Gaza genocide where even globalist-owned media and politicians have started to oppose it.

It also did not help the zionists at all that Kirk recently started to openly criticize them. So if it was the zionists who killed him, it seems to have been a major miscalculation on their part.

An unlikely alternative could be that the globalists are trying to frame Israel actually. Though it does seem more likely that the zionist psychopaths are simply doubling down with their usual modus operandi due to wishful thinking.
 
There's nothing else to see. There are multiple 'Matt Robinsons' in Utah so it's a case of mistaken identity. One was a retired sheriff, the other runs a kitchen counter-top company.

As for George Webb, we've noted in the past how consistently wrong he is about 'deep politics' and 'psy-ops'.
As I said before, I don't hold Webb's material as sacrosanct. However, he does bring up ways of understanding these covert ops that you are not going to find elsewhere. Even if Robinson's father isn't a cop (and we don't know that for certain yet), directing one's attention to the covert ops (including drug running related to its universities) in Utah, and the potential players involved, is not a bad idea. It opens up a rife area to look further into.

I think the problem with following Webb sometimes is that he has a very active mind. He's often jumping into comparisons, and you can lose the original thread of what he's discussing. And yet, I can still appreciate the rather intricate workings of his mind. He moves one away from the first obvious (and often erroneous) observations so many other sources have to offer. (He can also be very funny, at times.)

As I think we've discussed here before, there is no perfect source of information. Every source has its limitations, its blind spots, and biases. If one uses discernment, one can use each source (of interest) for what it is worth, and leave the rest. I don't always use Webb as a source, but I tend to keep him in the mix. For me, he brings a deeper perspective to other sources I might check in with.

By the way, Webb sometimes has discussions with Peter Duke (of The Duke Report). It's a good combination since Peter Duke keeps Webb on point. (Duke shares a reading list that he has on his website that is worth checking out, as well.) Actually, speaking of discernment, Peter Dukes' latest focus has to do with epistemological warfare, or the ways in which we are being manipulated, the linguistic systems involved, etc. In that sense, what I appreciate about both Webb and Duke is that they keep one's focus on the meta level of things so as to understand and avoid various traps. In other words, it's not just about facts (which may or may not be proven correct), but about putting into practice a way of critical thinking.
 
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I was thinking that Israel just casually bombing Qatar (a US ally) a few days before that may have contributed to the public perception that they are unhinged psychos who see themselves above the law and are capable of anything. In addition to the Gaza genocide where even globalist-owned media and politicians have started to oppose it.

It also did not help the zionists at all that Kirk recently started to openly criticize them. So if it was the zionists who killed him, it seems to have been a major miscalculation on their part.

An unlikely alternative could be that the globalists are trying to frame Israel actually. Though it does seem more likely that the zionist psychopaths are simply doubling down with their usual modus operandi due to wishful thinking.

Interesting idea there. By giving them free reign, their strength is used against them while the whole world watches. 4D Judo move?
There's already a vibe out there conflating 2 graphic flags; one contemporary and the other from about 80 years ago. Interesting that the representations are connected.

God's chosen people, but chosen for what exactly? I'm thinking it's for "bible stories". Over and over in scripture are examples of wrong-doings followed by punishments. I also seem to remember a theme of how quickly people forget! Maybe lessons from our time will appear in future scripture.
 
DOH!

I'll start writing my lines...

Never post anything you find on the internet on the forum without checking it first
Never post anything you find on the internet on the forum without checking it first
Never post anything you find on the internet on the forum without checking it first
Never post anything you find on the internet on the forum without checking it first
Never post anything you find on the internet on the forum without checking it first
Never post anything you find on the internet on the forum without checking it first...
Guilty as well ...even sources you think are legit need to be checked out. Jumping to a conclusion is another I have to resist.

I will wait for more info to come in before having an opinion
I will wait for more info to come in before having an opinion
I will wait for more info to come in before having an opinion
I will wait for more info to come in before having an opinion
I will wait for more info to come in before having an opinion

Its really hard to get the truth these days in between the deliberate misinfo and disinfo, but one thing we can all bank on and thats the official story is always BS.
 
Even if Robinson's father isn't a cop (and we don't know that for certain yet),
Correction: I just re-phrased my search question and got the following (indicating his not working for the police):

No, Tyler Robinson's father, Matt Robinson, did not work for the police. Although early reports suggested he was a 27-year veteran of the Washington County Sheriff's Department, both the Washington County Sheriff's Office and the County Attorney's office have debunked this claim, stating he has no connection to local law enforcement. The sheriff's office clarified that a retired deputy with the same last name is not related to the suspect. Matt Robinson is reported to run a business installing kitchen countertops and cabinets.
 
An unlikely alternative could be that the globalists are trying to frame Israel actually. Though it does seem more likely that the zionist psychopaths are simply doubling down with their usual modus operandi due to wishful thinking.
Why unlikely? Jews and non-zionists have been used as a weapon, a shield, a scapegoat and a sacrificial lamb whether they deserved or not. A megaholocaust of Israel (just so it can be rebuilt in ukraine, argentina or w/e?) would serve the 'globalists' well, particularly if it meant the end of all things western and 'white' which seems to be the most resistant to the Draconian cause and which would suffer the subsequent burden of 'irrational antisemitism' once the dust settles.
 
Non-sequitur here:

I remember this song from way back, and never, ever, saw this video: it was NOT played when this song was "popular". I discovered it today.


Seems apropos. Apologies if this is noise.
 
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I think it's quite similar to the 60s: strong racial and ideological polarization, strong anti-war sentiment, riots, and political assassinations.
Peter Turchin chimed in.
According to my US Political Violence Database (USPVDB), the five years from 2020 to 2024 saw seven assassinations. This is higher than the previous peak during the 1960s, although only half as large as that of the late 1860s:
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This count includes an assassination attempt against Donald Trump, the assassination of Minnesota House Speaker Melissa Hortman and her husband, the shooting of State Senator John Hoffman and his wife, Luigi Mangione killing Brian Thompson, and a few lesser-known others, but not the assassination of Charlie Kirk (which will be part of the count during the next 5 year period).

At the same time, we are experiencing a huge outbreak of terrorism, most of which takes the form of indiscriminate mass shootings. The Database classifies a political violence event as terrorism when the intent is to attack a social group or the society as a whole, while assassination is an attack against a particular representative of such a group, often its leader or another prominent member.

The reason my research group devotes a lot of effort to gathering data on political violence events, which include assassinations, terrorism, violent urban riots, rural insurrections and so on up to all-out civil wars, is that this allows us to quantify how the intensity of political violence changes over time. And that, in turn, gives us a way to empirically test the predictions of the structural-demographic theory, whose goal is to understand what factors drive political instability up or down. You can read more about this project in my 2012 article, Dynamics of political instability in the United States, 1780–2010 (and recently we’ve been updating the data through 2024).

Constructing such data requires some judgment calls. For example, there is no sharp boundary between assassinations and terrorism. Consider the case of Wesley LePatner, a senior executive at Blackstone Inc., who was killed in a mass shooting event on July 28, 2025 at the firm's headquarters in Manhattan. According to police and public officials, the shooter in the NYC building where Wesley LePatner was killed appears to have been targeting the NFL offices, but then took the wrong elevator, ending up on a different floor. Yet, it is a curious coincidence that Blackstone is one of broadly detested corporations, and its executives have been accused by leftist groups for its “greed-driven agenda” that fueled housing affordability crisis (see, for example, Housing Is A Human Right Exposes Billionaire Landlord Stephen Schwarzman). In USPVDB we classify this incident as “terrorism,” but if the shooter specifically wanted to kill a Blackstone executive, it would be an assassination.

In any case, from the point of view of the structural-demographic theory, cleanly distinguishing between assassinations and shooting rampages is unimportant, because the root cause for both kinds of political instability events is the same. As I’ve argued in many of my publications (and most systematically in End Times) the structural conditions underlying the exploding incidence of assassinations and terrorism are popular immiseration and overproduction of credentialed elite aspirants. And, as my long-time readers know, the same factors also explain the increase in the support for assassins, terrorists, as well as radical groups.

In brief, declining well-being and growing “precarity” of the commoners and overproduced degree-holders, coupled with an explosion in the numbers and wealth of the uber-rich, results in the feeling of profound injustice among the non-elite population. While many of them meekly accept their diminishing prospects, some minority radicalizes and becomes motivated to strike a blow against the unjust system. In social psychology such individuals are characterized as moralistic punishers.

In End Times (Chapter 4) I use a fictional character, “Jane”, to explain the motivations of people who join extremist organizations. Such people become counter-elites who organize popular discontent against the established elites. But others, often loners without organizational skills, decide to act as individuals, turning into terrorists/assassins.

A great example of the close relationship between terrorists and revolutionaries is the brief career of Alexander Ulyanov, a lesser known brother of Vladimir Lenin. He was executed in 1887 for an attempted assassination of the Russian Tsar, Alexander III. There is a famous Soviet-era painting, which depicts young Lenin (at that point, still Ulyanov) with his mother on the day of execution, titled “We Will Choose Another Way.”
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Returning to the here and now, few people are motivated enough to sacrifice themselves in this way, but there is a larger group that support and cheer them. According to one poll, taken in December of 2024, 10% of responders viewed Mangione as a "hero" (Only 10% Consider Man Who Murdered United Healthcare CEO a Hero"). This is much smaller than the 53% who viewed him as “villain”, but still, one in ten Americans support and cheer a cold-blooded murderer? Interestingly, support for this assassination was particularly high among the overproduced degree-holders: “Among voters with a postgraduate degree, 15% consider the killer a hero. Only 8% of those with a Bachelors' degree share that view along with 9% of those without a college degree.”

It's important to note, that by themselves political assassination and terrorism don’t overthrow the established elites (at least, I can’t think of any examples). An assassination of the state ruler may serve as a triggering event for a revolution or an onset of civil war, but it still requires a well-organized and committed counter-elite party. The failure of Alexander Ulyanov and ultimate success of his younger brother illustrate this principle perfectly.

The significance in the rising frequency of such instability “micro-events” is that they signal that something is deeply broken within the social system in which they happen. I tried to draw attention to the rising frequency of shooting rampages back in 2008 (you can read about it in my 2012 blog post, Canaries in a Coal Mine). A canary dropping dead in a miner’s cage is not the cause of the explosion to come, but rather an advance warning.

Similarly, the increasing incidence of assassinations and terrorism tells us that we aren’t out of the woods yet, by a long stretch.
 
This count includes an assassination attempt against Donald Trump, the assassination of Minnesota House Speaker Melissa Hortman and her husband, the shooting of State Senator John Hoffman and his wife, Luigi Mangione killing Brian Thompson, and a few lesser-known others, but not the assassination of Charlie Kirk (which will be part of the count during the next 5 year period).
Melissa Hortman and John Hoffman were killed in 2025. He's counting them in the wrong period.

Edit: Turchin replied to me on Substack to say it was sloppy writing on his part, they weren't counted for 2020-2024.
 
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I was wondering if we can infer something from the "official propaganda" responses. Of course, we have Bibi coming out immediately "mourning" Kirk's death and so on, which is suspicious. Then again, he also seemed a bit nervous (like in the interview where he was asked about Israel's involvement) and early on threw around wild accusations about Islamists being responsible, which of course he'll do instinctively. Perhaps this means that there wasn't a PR script in the drawer already, as it was for other events like 9/11 or even the failed Butler attempt ("Iran").

I also noticed that the full force of Zionist shills and bots painting Kirk as the super pro-Israel guy, and trying to debunk the "he's gone off script" story, hit social media only yesterday, which means the behind-the-scenes coordination of the Zionist shills and coming up with the talking points took a while. Also, now Israel's reaction seems almost too over the top, too cheesy, too rushed. They're now naming squares in Israel after Kirk, and posting crazy AI videos using AI-Kirk to attack Palestinians! Again, I get an ad-hoc, amateur, damage-control vibe from all of this.

Then there's the flip-flopping in the official narrative, where everybody tried to paint the assassin in their favorite light: "Islamist" for Bibi, "groyper" for the mainstream press, "trans leftie" for the right-wingers. In other words, it all seems rather messy and unscripted.

Don't know what to make of this, there are many possibilities. Perhaps Israel diddit, but they were surprised by the public reaction immediately blaming them and connecting the dots to Kirk turning on Israel (well, they should have seen that coming). Maybe it was a case of forces being involved that are even above Bibi & gang's paygrade, i.e. Quorum-style. Maybe it was a case of some nutters going off because of general "cosmic energies", possibly even someone who was groomed in some way, but again, triggered by something above the Zionists. Maybe it was just a radicalized nutjob and that's that.

Just thinking out loud here.

Yeah, the whole thing is kinda strange and I also thought along similar lines. There might be more going on and the Israel angle just seems so weirdly obvious. For example, what if the real power players behind the scenes have decided that “Israel/Mossad“ is no longer useful and/or has served its purpose for whatever reason? One reason might be that it has become too big of a liability for the truly powerful because what they are doing is too extreme and visible for everyone and thus risks serious exposure and/of lack of further negative energy too chew on in the future?:

Another possibility:

The real movers and shakers behind the scenes want the official Israel presence and/or large public parts of it gone (not necessarily the secret Mossad/CIA level) because its real face has been exposed too much and thus it can no longer be used effectively/convincingly as a public representation of “the good guys“ to the global population. In other words: It has used up his PR value for the real PTB over the global population, so better ditch it, in order to not further associate yourself with it publicly. It went too far and thereby risking “public opinion“ to change away from “the good guys“. It reflects too badly on the rest of the empire.

Adding to the last post above:

The idea that Israel is or must be “the unsinkable aircraft carrier of the empire in the middle east“, geopolitically speaking, might not be the case anymore nowadays. So Israel might have become expendable or at least parts of it. The world has changed since that statement was apparently a big reason for why Israel is so important.

If you look at a map you can see that the empire now seems to have plenty more potentially “unsinkable aircraft carriers“ in the region! Syria just being one example with a similar amount of direct access to the Mediterranean compared to Israel. Iraq is next to Syria and probably also fully controlled by the empire, thereby already de facto creating/having a direct sea and air bridge (with no threats in between) towards the east, including Iran! Egypt and Jordan might also be significantly controlled by the Empire, as well as Saudi-Arabia and Turkey (maybe to a lesser extent).

So, who really needs Israel anymore? The only thing I could think of in terms of Israel as a really important asset would be: The nukes in Israel could be important for the empire (assuming Syria and/or Iraq and/or others haven’t been equipped with them already). In that szenario, I still think they want Iran out (or in control) but in their minds you could probably also do that with hordes of proxy Jihadis through Syria and Iraq (and/or other client states of the empire in the region, such as Saudi Arabia).

I think that such an idea doesn’t necessarily have to mean that “Mossad“ wasn’t the one doing that to Kirk, but that for example even they have been duped now? And/or Netanyahu was duped and is now trying desperately to save his skin? Maybe some in Israel/Mossad/Deepstate are now also “realizing“ that even they are not on top of the food chain and can and will be dispensed with at any point with nothing they can do about it? Maybe that makes the human part of the upper PTB even more crazy/desperate now?
 
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Edit: The top pic is apparently an AI-upscaled image. My bad. Me and @Niall are both staying after class to write on the chalkboard.
Someone made those AI images soon after the FBI released the CCTV stills. The one above is based on this:
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Upscaling does what AI does: hallucinates and creates a "plausible" reconstruction based on the little information it has available to work with. Unfortunately, there is still no Blade Runner "enhance" feature.
 
Free speech is always uncomfortable.
I don't think so. Free speech is not always uncomfortable, because saying "always" is an absolute.
I personally don't care about people diverging opinions or talking nonsense, but I would be very worried or uncomfortable if people start uttering death threats to me. That's why free speech has limits, and even though its limits are very lax in the USA, there are still limits framed legally.

You can say AI is garbage all you want; it's simply a tool, imperfect, flawed, but a tool nonetheless. This AI topic has already been discussed on the forum by many members, and most will agree that AI can accomplish certain tasks brilliantly, and others not at all. This said, even if Grok did not nail 100% of the legal info regarding Free speech in the USA, I believe the frame it gave is accurate enough (most likely at least 50% accurate) to give me a broad idea of the topic at hand, thus saving me hours of research I can't afford to do.

This said, with the thumbs down you gave and the reply you did, I feel judged and belittled by you in my contribution on the forum, while I'm trying to discuss a topic I do not master very well, and while trying to learn and share. It's ok if you hate AI, but I'm not the only member using AI here. FYI, all the videos published on the Cass YouTube have been made using AI. Are you going to give them a thumbs down too?
 
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